The Truth About Addiction & Recovery: Juliet Warner On Relapse, Sobriety & Finding The Strength To Start Again

25:55Yeah, exactly. I think that's why I like having conversations with our kids is going to be super important as they all get older. I mean, alls are all still young, but it's coming. What was your first job when you were in your program in your house? First job. Was it helping other? It sounds like it was helping other. Yes. Yes. Totally. It was helping other other. I was taking other women through the steps, through the 12 steps. That must have felt really purposeful. It did because I was someone that I never thought I'd get it. First of all, I never thought that I was going to get sober just based on how many times I tried and how many times I failed so that when I was on the other side and someone was actually coming to me for help staying sober I I was like oh yeah what yeah you know what happens when you get out of the program so um I meet Alex actually and you're now husband my now husband yep and it's so funny because I always say water really does rise to its own level because I dated.

26:58I mean, I don't want to trash anybody on here, but Alex doesn't make sense. Put him next to everybody else I've ever dated. Right. So I get that. I did. I think it's because I had done all that work. I had changed so much as a human being. I mean, like everything about me was different. And that's when him and I started dating and we were quick to get married. I think we were married within the year. Wow. And then once I started having babies, like the good addict I am, four in four years. That's intense. Four kids in four years. Walk us through that. That is no joke. What are the actual age gaps from the oldest to youngest?

27:39They're all like 15 months apart. Wow. So right Right now they're 10, 9, 7, 6. And by the way, you guys go look at her on YouTube because you look insane. Like if I had four kids back to back under four, you'd be rolling me out of here. I had a little help. I had a little revision going on here. The way you look though isn't just a revision. 10, 9, 7, 6. Not only just from like the actual like having the children, but managing that many children that young, that closely, that is wild. Why do you say the addict that I am, I had four kids? Explain that. Because this is why. So I had my first and I was like, I had healed a lot before I had him, but I feel like in the moment I became a mom, it was like my whole life made sense.

28:30And it just did something for me that nothing else ever could touch. Right. So I had this little baby and I like found myself in motherhood. Like I didn't struggle at all as a new mom. In fact, it was the best I've ever done in my life. Like I was just like, this is it. I was, I was made for this. And I was like so obsessed with my little baby boy that I was just like, I need to have as many of these things as fast as I can. Like, so that's what I'm going to do, you know? And so you just keep going and going and going and going. Yeah. It was always like four or four or five months postpartum pregnant again.

29:07I am 15 months postpartum right now. Are you really? And I cannot even imagine that. That is so I mean, what are the age differences of yours? Six, four, one. OK, well, that's that's a lot of work, though. That's not a joke. Yeah, it's a lot. Were you guys hanging from a thread? Well, I first of all, I had a night nurse with all four of them. The same. So have I. So have I. I mean, my kids all were sleeping through the night by seven weeks old. Okay. It's still a lot of work. I have a full-time person cleaning up after me and my kids to this day. So I have a lot of help, you know? I don't know would I have done that if I didn't have the resources and the help?

29:49I don't know. So after four, does your husband say no more? Yeah, guys, he actually got a vasectomy the same day my fourth was born from the same anesthesiologist. Like the guy went, did my C-section, goes down the hall, sees Alex laying on the table and he's like, you, sir, like your wife just had a C-section. You're not supposed to be doing this. I would have done my own vasectomy on my husband. You're getting I'm going to clip the balls for you. So he was after four. He was done. Yeah, he was done. Four's a lot. Four's good. And you said he's good to your addict brain. When he says we're done with four, are you OK with that?

30:28Yes. Only because, listen, And if there was like more of me or more hours in the day, then maybe I would keep going because I truly love having kids. I have always wanted a big family. But there's just not enough energy to go around to give each of them the needs that they require and deserve. You know, I say I would have sex if I didn't have to get, you know, from like an efficiency. I almost think having them that close now, like thinking about it must be great because they're all together. They're all similar age. they're all like probably in similar activities in schools you know it's harder when you have big gaps then i think i agree yeah you know i think people some can get left behind or some could feel neglect and also they're like a little tribe but also like as a parent the older you get it's just like an age thing you just like you get less energy right yeah right because it's physical right i can talk about like the physical side of parenting so i'm gonna you know i imagine at this stage even though it's probably so intense it's probably really great like having it is great It's really great.

31:26And this worked out better than I could have ever imagined or planned myself. But I have the two older ones are boys. The two younger ones are girls. So, like, I just group them together. So we're only on one baseball team. We're only on one soccer team. Oh, that's great. That's efficient. The girls go to tennis lessons together. The boys do their tennis lessons together. So, like, it's really like I only have two kids logistically. Okay. Okay. That makes sense because you're not schlepping them around to 18. Well, that's not making me feel good because my daughter is the oldest. and I, well, I guess I can combine the two sons.

31:57Yes, you can combine the two sons. Joint birthday parties. So when you're having children, there's no drugs or alcohol. No. And then at what point do you decide to introduce it back in? Yeah. So I think what happened is a couple of things were present. First of all, I always tell my kids like, know yourself, know thyself. Something I really know about myself now today is that I'm not good with transitions. So it really all started to go sideways when all four of my kids went to school because I went from being a mom that had four babies that none of them could put a fucking sock on themselves.

32:37Not one of them, you know, and then all of a sudden they're all in school from like eight to 3 p.m. Like I should have prepared for that. Like I should have had something going on. I didn't. I was left. And by the way, I'm not someone that just wants to go to lunch and like go shopping. I just do not want to do that. You know? So I was like, oh my gosh, I don't have a purpose. I was going through all this kind of emotionally. And, um, that was present. The next thing that was present was this, the work that really anchors me to sobriety. I hadn't been doing for years because life just gets, life just keeps moving and it gets fast.

33:16And then you have these kids and then your life is all about them. And your social life is all about their friends and their their friends parents and those are the people you hang out with so I'm not really hanging out with sober people anymore at this point my life is like totally different and then thirdly I really thought I could trust myself like I had become this person that was so trustworthy and like so amazing you know are you telling Alex this narrative in your head or is this all going on like just in your head by yourself it's in my head by myself and then I'm telling him once I make the decision to drink.

33:53And right. So you make that's interesting to me. You make the decision to drink. And then are you convincing him that you I'm just demanding. I'm more demanding than convincing. Like what's what you mean at this point, our relationship, this is like one of the things that I don't talk about much because it's like out of respect for his privacy. But I'll just say our relationship was suffering at this point. I mean, having four kids and not taking the time to really work on your marriage over the years like you should be, it's going to have an effect. So we weren't doing well at all. I think that probably also contributed to it.

34:30I was just like, what am I doing, like restricting myself? At this point, I can handle alcohol. And that pesky thought came right back into my head that alcohol can't hurt me. like I swear to God word for word that's the thought and how old are your children at this point um my oldest is seven and my youngest let's do the math my youngest is three yeah so it was almost a decade since you had used last yes it was all I mean I never went back to the I have not done those drugs since since that time in my life um which is something I'm super proud of but yeah I mean I think I just drank because I thought I deserved to I thought I had done enough work on myself I thought I'd changed so much as a person and as an individual and I didn't think alcohol could hurt me so I don't like to admit this but I also think a part of me wanted to belong and I was hanging out with all these other parents that were normal people like having rosé at lunch and like the moms bring like the wine coolers to like the baseball playoffs and like like the mommy wine culture is for real where I live.

35:44What's that like for me now or what's it like the mommy wine culture? I mean drinking is just such a huge part of everybody's life and that's okay you know I'm not saying that from a judgmental standpoint because listen if I could drink and not have any consequences I probably would but that's just not realistic that's not reality. So you're you were just around moms that are opening the bottle at 12 o 'clock at the softball game or like what's the what do you mean? I mommy culture. I just want to know. I want to understand. So I don't know about like the 12 o 'clock part of it, but like if it's a you know, if it's a Thursday, Friday night game, then like everyone has their Stanleys or their Yetis.

36:25And we all know what's in those. Right. We went to like a Halloween parade and I said to Michael, I said, oh my God, everyone has a Stanley. So the wine is in the Stanley. Yeah. Something else. Yeah. There's also that article. Pick your poison, but probably wine. No, there's also an article recently, like some, a mother, I don't want to like actually, like there's too much shade here, but because men drink too, but like somebody got removed from some pageant because they had like a margarita in the Stanley. So it's like prevalent in our culture. People are drinking wine and beer and it's very prevalent.

36:55It's part of every social occasion, you know, any, anything social, I go and do with other parents, the other parents are drinking. And I guess I just wanted to, and then there's like the, you know, one of the moms will organize like a girl's happy hour, you know? I'm like, oh, that would be cool to be able to partake, right? I deserve to be able to do that. So I just convinced myself that it wasn't going to hurt me and it was going to be fine. I can totally understand the thought process of how you can get there. So what is your first drink off the wagon or is it off the wagon or on the wagon?

37:34Well, I guess I was getting off the wagon with that first drink. So what's the first drink? Did you, is it like a planned thing in your head? No. So the first drink is a glass of wine with dinner with a friend. And, um, it wasn't really planned. She just was like, Hey, do you want a glass? And I was like, yeah. And, and does So your friend know that you were in. No, not at that point. That not that person, because I mean, I definitely am super open about it. Well, now everybody knows. But but like beforehand, unless it comes up in conversation, I'm not like I'm not volunteering this information.

38:09Well, it's only you're with a new group to like kids grew up. Yeah, exactly. I have an ignorant question. When when you have that glass of wine, does it automatically mean the next day you want to or is it not like that? So this is that's a great question, because this is what makes me what I call I call myself an atypical alcoholic. Now, that's not a clinical term. That's a Juliet term. Like, I don't know if anyone's ever said that before, but my alcoholism is strange and it's tricky because I can go six months with having like one drink once a week with dinner. and I'm fine. Like it doesn't set off an allergy in me where like typical alcoholism is they have an allergy.

38:54And if you have any alcohol whatsoever, it's going to set off this chain reaction in your body and you're going to want to keep drinking and keep drinking and all bets are off. Right. I don't have that experience with alcohol. But what I do have is that one day I'm going to overshoot the mark and it's going to be so bad that I'm going to completely black out and literally I'm lucky that I didn't burn my own house down, run somebody over with my car. God knows what, you know? So that's what my alcoholism looks like. And I had, I'm lucky that I only drank for, I mean, it was probably like a seven month period.

39:33In the beginning, it was totally fine. It wasn't a lot. And then I had a blackout. And again, I could have burnt the house down that night. Like actually literally burnt the house down or? Like I could have, like I was in a full blackout. Like I could have turned on the stove to cook something and not turn the stove off. You know, I could have done anything. Like I was in a full on blackout and I woke up the next day being like, huh. Okay. That's weird. That happened. Wasn't planning on getting blackout drunk. Right. But it happens. I mean, first of all, it happens to people that aren't alcoholics.

40:07It happens all the time. So I'm still not an alcoholic. I'm going to monitor myself a little bit more closely. And so I started to like monitor myself a little bit more closely. Well, it happened again, like a month later. And then it happened again. And then like two weeks after that, it happened again. And what is Alex saying in your kids at this point? Alex is saying like, you're actually an alcoholic. Like, hello? Like, what, what do you need something bad to happen? And what are the, do the kids pick up on it? No, I didn't, the kids, the kids saw me drunk one time and it was the last time that I drank.

40:41So, um, thank God nothing catastrophic happened, but it was enough for me to say like, this is, is not working and I need to get sober again. But I think the bigger issue I was having is that because I decided to not be in sobriety anymore, like all the things that really keep me like grounded and happy and honest and all of these things I didn't have access to anymore. Like I didn't have access to the tools or to God or my spirituality. And I didn't understand why I couldn't access those things. So I started to get like really like crotchety. Like I was like a really unhappy person. I was kind of a nightmare to deal with.

41:29I became defensive. I became anxious. I was just really, really suffering mentally. And I knew that it was the alcohol.

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48:05I mean, I was suffering from untreated alcoholism. That's how you feel when you have untreated alcoholism. I was suffering from that and um I went and ordered a drink a strong one because I was kind of sneaking it I wasn't supposed to be drinking you know and I wasn't planning on getting blackout drunk then either so no like I was planning on being a sober mom on this trip in the Bahamas with my kids are your other friends there or is it just you and your kids it's just one friend and their kids but so what what happens you order a drink and then does you just you order another one or do you just have a low tolerance?

48:39What happens? No, I don't have a low tolerance at all. I ordered, yeah, I was ordering like double Tito's. So you just order one and then they just keep coming. And then I just start my engine and then I don't want to stop. So then I flew home from the, Alex came and picked us up from the Bahamas. He actually chartered a plane to come get us. How did you know that you needed to leave? I had a mother's helper with me and she called him. What's mother's, like a man? It was like one of my friend's kids like that was 18 came to help me with the kids she called my husband and she was like yeah she sounded the alarm and he was like scared really scared he didn't trust the friend i was with and mom's drunk and yeah she um she sounded the alarm and he was there like within an hour and when he gets there are you receptive or is it a fight or is it oh no i know i'm fucking done I like I walked out of the Atlantis I got escorted by security to be put into a car with my kids to be driven to the airport to meet Alex and I knew I mean I had come I was coming to at that moment and I was just like all right the fucking jig is up so do you want to go to rehab at that point when you sort of wake up out of it so no I go I we fly home and like I go to sleep and the next couple days I really like sunk into a deep depression because I was really mortified like I had left the friend in the Bahamas like ruined the trip for them like everybody sort of heard about it I was so ashamed I mean the amount of shame I had was so I turned to Alex and I was like I think I need to get sober again and I don't think that I can do it out here right now because I just feel so bad.

50:21Like I'm so down. I think one thing that's so great about you and Khalil is that to me, when you talk about these stories and when he talks about his story, I think it helps take the shame away. Do you feel that? A hundred percent. Yeah. When you're almost open with it, the shame feels like it grows when you're hiding it. It does. Yeah. Yes. So you're back in rehab how is that for you with your children that's like I feel like that's really overwhelming yeah I mean I god bless them they're so they adapt so well like I mean I wasn't there but I'm told that they did just fine you know and how do you talk to them what do you say so the thing is is that um Alex like you is like a serial entrepreneur and one of his businesses is a treatment center for young adult men.

51:14And so in my house, like we have always had the language of addiction and recovery going on. So it's not anything new, but I am grateful that they saw me drunk that time because I think for kids, it's not about what happens in their life. It's about how you process it. And like it invited us to open up the conversation again. And it gave me an opportunity to go to them and be vulnerable and say mommy messed up like just because I'm old doesn't mean that I've learned all the lessons I'm supposed to learn I'm still learning too you know so it seems like your your sobriety journey was not really around your kids at all and then this was an opportunity for you to show them your to your point this side of you no and I guess in your household you can explain and contextualize it for kids which I think is so important for children because they need to, to your point, they need to understand and process.

52:08I think a lot of times parents will make mistakes and they kind of like act like they didn't with children. Like we all, like, you know, we all know like parents like that and grew up around kids like that. And, and I think that it's really confusing for the children because they're like, wait a minute, like, was that okay? Or was it not okay? It's almost like, Hey, maybe a little gaslighting going on. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's really good. I love to have the opportunity to say, I'm sorry to my kids when necessary. Like I'm committed to that, you know. When you get out of rehab, what makes you decide to open up about this story?

52:43I always say it was like a slow burn for me getting better this time because the first time that I got sober, I say the first time and the second time, but we both we all know there was many times where I tried to get sober. I'm talking about the two times that I actually feel that I did recover, you know? So the first time I didn't really have that much to be ashamed of because like my life was like in the gutter, you know, like I was starting from zero. I had nothing to lose. This time I'm like this mother of four. I'm like a known person in our community. I had a reputation or so I thought that like I was like this super mom, like that doesn't drink.

53:24And like, I just like tore it all down for the world to see. And I really struggled with a lot of shame. Like I was really, really suffering getting sober this time. And when you get sober, you take the alcohol in this case or the drugs away. You're still left with all your feelings. You just can't numb them anymore. So that was really hard. So I had to work through a lot of stuff before I even thought about doing anything. And when I finally got back to work and started to heal again and started to sort of undo that shame, I knew that I needed to do something because my kids are going to be back in school again another year, you know, and this time, I really have to be prepared.

54:11And I knew I didn't want to go work for somebody else. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. But it was funny. I was in the Hamptons and I was at this AA meeting and I go to this meeting every time I'm there. So like I'm familiar with the people in the room and I usually share and I shared at this meeting. And then afterwards I walked outside to the parking lot and this lady comes up out behind me and she's like, Juliet, Juliet, I just have to tell you, I could listen to you talk all day. And I was just like, okay. Like I understood the assignment. Like you do have a knack for it. I was like, I get it.

54:49Like I have to figure out a way to talk. You got to get this girl podcast. I'm telling you, you do have a knack for talking. So you started sharing the story on social. Yep. So that literally that woman, I have no idea what her name is, but thank you if you're watching. Um, because she really did like plant the seed. I was like, all right, well, I know that someday, like I'll be able to do big things speaking wise. Like I love public speaking. I'm like the designated like eulogy giver in the family, which is weird. But that's how much I like it. That's how much I fucking like it. Well, I think when you're also when you're in the meetings and you stand up and speak in front of people, that's great practice.

55:28Such good practice. Right. Yes. I mean, it's a muscle. It's a muscle. Yeah. I've been working out that muscle for a long time. But even before that, I always loved it. Like it was my favorite class in high school. Like it was just I just love it. So I knew that like eventually like things would God would lead me to the right path and the right outlet where I could use those skills that really I feel like were specifically ordained to me in this life. You know, when you start putting yourself online, was the response from your own community amazing? And how did you grow your community to then have Caroline ask you to come on her podcast?

56:03Yeah. So it's funny because I found that online the strangers are your biggest supporters, you know. And the people that knew me were kind of like, what are you doing? You know, but then there was people that were super nice. I mean, I got all sorts of responses. At first, Alex was like, are you sure you want to do this? Like, I'm a pretty private guy. Like, I'm not really even interested in being in an Easter photo. So like, how are we going to work this? You know, and there's been like tons of conversations around that. And he's come around to it. He's been amazingly supportive. and you know the people that matter don't mind and the ones that mind don't matter how many dms do you get about people going through their own struggles so that's the thing like i get a ton of dms um and obviously i don't answer all the dms but if there's ever a person that is reaching out because they're struggling with this i will never let that go unread like i will always respond to those i've actually helped like multiple people find treatment centers pick the right one and talk to their families.

57:10Like, it's like a little bit of like a side hustle that I don't get paid for, but it's fine because it's like so fulfilling. And it's like, if I'm going to do this, like what bigger purpose to do it than that, you know? And what has the momentum of putting yourself out there been? What are things that have happened out of all of this that are good? It's given me a thing of my own, you know, a little thing of my own, because my kids are just going to keep getting older. You know, they're going to keep growing up. They're going to need me less and less over time. I watch your social media. I think it's so great.

57:42And it seems like there's so many blessings. Yeah, there is. I mean, I've connected with so many amazing people online. I mean, Caroline Stanbury is a perfect example of that. Her and I have stayed in touch. I really love her. She's awesome. We like her a lot. She actually just like randomly started. She was like one of my first followers, I swear to God. And I was like, is this a fake account? because obviously I knew she was. I'm like, this can't be real, you know? And it was. And then like a month later, she's like, hey, want to come on my podcast? I was like, yeah. And then I found you and I was like, I need to have this woman on the show right away.

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1:00:12This is why I think talking about a platform like Function Health is so important. I wanted to stop waiting and I wanted to look at my own data. And with Function, you can actually get the numbers yourself. And for me, I wanted my numbers before brain fog became normal. I've watched family members decline, like I said, and realized I never checked my own risk. And it's crazy to me because we live in a time where we have this technology right at our fingertips and we can get ahead of these issues so that we can continue in the healthiest way possible. So here's how it works. Your focus and mental stamina leave data trails in your blood and Function tracks it.

1:00:41Everything from your omega-3s, your B12 levels for nerve function and mental clarity, magnesium. For me, I struggle to get enough magnesium. I learned this from one of these tests. Plus Function members can add on brain-related add-on tests like brain injury and degenerative screening tests and active nerve damage from TBIs, concussions, and more. So check them out. Function can obviously check. so many of your biomarkers, so many of your levels, it's never been easier to understand where you are. Again, from a supplementation perspective, many of us are just in the dark, spending a bunch of money on stuff that we don't know have worked.

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1:02:51I think I would love to end this episode with anyone who is listening who's struggling with drug or alcohol addiction. I don't want to say advice. I don't even know if that's the right word. But what are some things that you would tell them? I want to answer this one right. You know, if there's one thing that I've learned in all of my years of being like in recovery and then out of recovery and then back in recovery, it's probably that like it truly isn't about how many times you mess up. It is truly about how many times you get back on your feet. And if you just keep trying and you keep trying, you don't know which time it's going to click and something's going to change.

1:03:33And then you can have your like ideal, beautiful life right in front of you. So it is, it's truly just how many times you get back up. So keep getting up. I am inspired by you so much. You're so great. And next time you come to Austin, you got to bring Alex and we can do a double date. We will for sure. Thank you for coming on the show. Where can everyone say hi, find you? Hopefully you can launch a podcast, please. I'll talk to Michael after the show. I know some people. You guys can find me at the Juliet social and that's on Instagram and on TikTok. I'll probably be on YouTube at some point, but I'm not right now.

1:04:13So thank you for being so open. I think these conversations help a lot of people. I loved it. I loved every second of it. Thank you guys. Thank you. If you or someone you know is struggling with substance abuse or experiencing a mental health crisis, please text or call 988 to reach the 24 hour suicide and crisis lifeline. Visit 988lifeline.org to learn more. For detailed show notes, visit thebostix.com. Thank you.