Tina Chen Craig On Personal Resilience, Discovering Your Passion, & How To Adapt To Thrive In Life

26:34And if there's someone in your life you want to keep around as long as possible, your parents, your partner, yourself, this is one of the most meaningful things you can do. You can literally give someone the gift of better health. Don't wait until something's wrong to start paying attention. I remember Googling a bag and your blog would come up. Now, this is, I want to say, when like Fashion Toast, Rumi Neely. I was a little bit before her, I think. What about Brian Boy? Brian went over the same time. He might have been a little before me. It was me, Brian, Susie Bubble. Okay. It was really the three of us.

27:05And we're still, we talk all day, every day. Still? Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. We have this group chat. I love Brian Boyd. Hi, Brian Boyd. When did you start, like 2009? I didn't start till 2010. 2010, yeah. But that's still early. 15 years ago. It's still early. But you were five years before that. And people say that she was early. So you were really early. What was the bag that popped off for you? Chloe Paddington. That was the one. That was, we had probably, I mean, tens of thousands of searches per day on that bag. Do you know what I love about this for you? I feel like it's a great way for you to get all the bags you wanted from your husband because it's work.

27:42That's what I used to say to him. I'm like, you have real estate. I have Birkins. This is my real estate. But no, bags know it was funny because I was anonymous because back then on the internet was really scary. Don't don't give your real name. Never had I ever thought that I would say I'm going to be at Nordstrom and Bellevue Mall at 10 o 'clock. Come and kidnap me. Because remember back in the day, the Internet was a scary place. You didn't want to give out your real name. You didn't want to tell people where you were. Well, it's a different time. What was the big moment for back snob? Like, was it a celebrity recognizing what you were doing?

28:12What was your first big break? It was when Kate Moss, like the British really discovered us. And because they just loved our cheeky humor we would take oh my god we were so mean about bags we were just like does no one see that this looks like a barf bucket does no one see that this bag looks like a picture of all this looks like a barf bucket this was the louis vuitton bucket bag and it was all these different pieces just put together just looked like they pulled up scraps from the floor of the showroom but kate moss to some magazine she said bag snob is the best website in the history of websites and we popped off after that.

28:46British Vogue called. They're like, we want to do an essay on you. We want to do, you know, you've got to come out of anonymity. And we just said, OK. And so that was the moment. And then how long do you do bag snob before you decide to pivot? I did beauty snob within six months. I went I flew to New York. I signed up for this Amex forum because I was always trying to like learn. And I'm very curious. I'm like, how did Bobby Brown? Because I love Bobby Brown. I love beauty. And she and what is that brand? Kate Spade and Andy Spade were doing this Amex forum in 2006. So almost a year after I launched, flew to New York and I sat there and I'm like, I got to launch Beauty Snob.

29:23And so I then did Beauty Snob, then I did Couture Snob, then we did Tot Snob, Shoe Snob. I was running six blogs, writing. I was writing all the blogs myself with my partner at the time, my college best friend. We had six blogs. People were like, do a blog a week i'm like i did six entries a day that's so gnarly yeah how would you do that would you just sit down at the computer and just i was you know with a baby so the baby's napping so i had time i was like and so now to this day he's in college if he can't sleep he opens his laptop the humming of the laptop just knocks him out oh my gosh is that funny oh my gosh michael why didn't that happen to you when i was on my blog no i don't know get off your computer no because you she would come home from bartending and lauren's got she's got a that's what i have to do you've got a heavy step and a heavy type it's like a it sounds like an old key like an old key well you have heavy things too

30:25or even that's funny so when do you decide that you want to go from writing and blogging and everything that you're doing with fashion events and switch you know what everything was so organic It's just like I said opportunities. I go I go to places. I start talking to anybody. I will talk. I just talk to everybody. And this one person I was speaking to turned out she her name is Mindy Grossman. And she was actually in Dallas last night. She's like, we have dinner. But she became she had just become the president or CEO of HSN. And I just started because no one else was talking to her at the show.

30:57So I just started talking to her. She didn't look like an influencer or one of these supermodels or whatever, but she just looks so interesting to me. She's like this confident woman. And she was like, I want this face on HSN. And I was like, oh, I should sell something. OK, this is good. So I started thinking. But what happened really, my first product line was with Donna Karan because we were totally trashing the bags. So DKNY PR girl tweeted at me, Aliza. Hi, Aliza. And she was like, haven't you ever taken a bad photo? That was just a bad photo. I go, all right, send me another photo. Send me the bag.

31:25I sent a backdrop. It's still an ugly bag. I don't like it. So finally, I said, look, I'm never going to like your bags. Why don't you let me design one? Because in my head, I wanted to learn what it took to design a bag so I could be a better like critic, not for any reason. There was never like, I'm going to have a bag. It was just let me design it for you. I want to come to the show so I can learn. And so she goes, OK, great. But it's not we're not going to give you existing shapes. You're going to design them. Do you know how to design bags? And I said, yes, I always say. That's what you should always say.

31:52You should say that's my specialty. Yes, that's what I said. I said, oh, I go, that's my specialty. Yes. I'm like, yes, I do. I'm the bag snob. She goes, OK, great. So I flew in. The whole team was waiting for me. Jeannie Kim I think she was the one who designed DKNY for Donna they all sat there like okay where's your inspiration board I go it's at the hotel I thought we would just sit down first and talk about this collection let's talk it through they were like okay you're supposed to come with your board your color mood and I'm like so I'm like listening I'm like okay all right so I went back to the hotel did my mood and I came up with the five essentials I said we should every woman should treat their bag collection as a wardrobe they should have five because we're always buying the same black tote over and over and over again, right?

32:31Another black tote, another this, another Vuitton bag, whatever, which is great. So I said, every woman should have a tote bag, a travel bag, a treasure bag, something really special, maybe exotic, or just something that's special to you. A trendy bag, because no matter how classic, every year you want to be on trend, and a clutch. So from there, you know, I built out this bag collection, and then we pre-sold it, and Nata Porte picked it up. They were just doing this for press, and I said, no, I'll sell these. There's not a day that goes by in my life that I'm not selling something. I just sold my whole skincare line to your dad's neighbor on the Val Lane bus she was like excuse me your skin looks really good I'm like oh it's my skincare we started talking she was where are you going I'm gonna be on the skinny confidential him and her she goes oh I know her I'm friends with her dad I go great by the end of it daddy go go buy my dad's elk pozole I know this farms at the farmer's I don't even want a bag and I'm not the market and I as you were talking I'm like I kind of want that collection i don't know yeah it was like you want to build a wardrobe like this is how i i i'm very like and my brain is like a computer i think about how i should go about things and i build things and so not a day goes by where i'm not selling something and i love selling so we sold out of that entire collection before it launched at net-a-porter so can anyone get it now on like it's gone it's gone it was so what i did was i did that and then i did a denim collaboration because I called it learning with OPM, other people's money.

33:53I was like, let me just do all these collabs to see what my passions were because I wasn't sure if I wanted to have, you know, I didn't know if I even wanted any kind of brand of my own. So I did the bags. I did denim. I did a joy collection. I've done a lot of different collaborations, but it was always skincare. That was like, as I started aging, by the time I got into my 40s, I thought, okay, I don't want to do the lasers. I don't want to do certain things. I want to keep my skin healthy. I mean, you know, I was doing a little botox. I didn't start botox. I was 45. I never touched my face in my 20s.

34:23I was dancing on tables. I was too busy. We didn't have injectables in the 90s. Who were you dancing on tables with like your friends? And yeah, in Taipei. When I went back there, it was so fun. So when you decide to launch your skincare line and it's different than obviously fashion, how do you infuse the fashion into the skincare? Well, the reason I got into skincare also because of the beauty snob. And then all these brands started calling me. They were like, you have really great skin. Just say, use this. So I started working for so many brands, La Prairie. I was traveling with them, teaching masterclasses.

34:56Cleta Poe, I was an Estee Lauder ambassador. And that's when I realized, wait, this is what my passions are. I really just loved the beauty side of the beauty snob. So we had all, by then we had writers and the blogs were just well-oiled machines. Then I had a business divorce from my partner. What's the business divorce? But my bag's not a partner. We just parted ways. Was it a good divorce or a bad divorce? It was a hard divorce. Not good or bad, but it was hard because when you're best friends and then you're, you know, she was my son's godmother and now we don't speak. So, I mean, if I saw her, we would speak, but it just changes because I wanted different things.

35:32It's like a marriage. You know, you grow apart. We've been friends since college. And as the business grew, I wanted certain things and I was very ambitious. I wanted to do certain things. I saw it. Like I am. I have the singular vision of when I want something. It's like the blinders are on. I don't listen to the noise because I know that my point of view, my singular vision is my great, my greatest asset. So if I allow any kind of noise infiltrate, I'm never going to get to that goal. How can the audience do that in their own life? So I think what's really important is to know what you don't like.

36:00That's why I tried so many things. You know, it's a kind of like a filter system. Try it. Try everything. Nothing is beneath you. Do everything. Try everything. If you want, if you really want that entrepreneurial journey, obviously get a great job. That's great for you. But if you want to be an entrepreneur and you want to know how to find your passions, first know what you don't like. Because once you filter that out and then you, when you do discover what you love, then you'll be like, this feels right. This feels good. And then set goals, but not like lofty, crazy goals that are so impossible.

36:29But goals for me, it was always in six months, I'm going to do this. In 12 months, I'm going to do this. People are like, where are you going to be in five years? Like, I have no idea. I'm barely figuring out the next six months. Like, I just see what's in front of me. And then I keep going, obviously, like the overarching strategies in my head. But I don't. And I did this guest lecture, come be a business school, which I thought was so funny that I didn't get into there. But they asked me to come and guest lecture. So funny. Right. Yeah, it's amazing. And they're all with their notes. And I said, oh, no, no, we're not.

36:56We're not doing that. I spent so much time obsessing over business plans in my 20s when I should have been obsessing over what I was going to create. Obviously have a strategy, but I think have an easy deck and outline, but don't stress about your business plan. Number one, know exactly what it is that you love. And it's okay if you don't know. You'll figure it out. Try it. Try it first. There's nothing wrong with failures. I always saw failures as lessons. I mean, look, I've had so many companies like Bags Nob is no longer around because I pivoted. I don't call it a failure. I call it a pivot.

37:28Got to be nimble. and you figure it out like look maybe you're not going to find your thing till you're in your 40s like me because bags now i was in my 30s you beauty was in my 40s now i'm in my 50s and i'm having the best time of my life because i just didn't i just i was resilient i just one of those lucky people that kind of knew her passion and what she wanted to do early and i i always struggle and i've said it on this show when people would come on and be like chase your passion chase dream because for me it's similar to you i had to like do a bunch of shit that i was not clear about and many times didn't like.

38:00And it kind of slowly stumbled into - Pay the bills. You're like, this is great, but I'm not fulfilled. I don't feel it. But I think sometimes entrepreneurs that know right away and chase it, they sometimes do a disservice saying like, oh, just chase your passion and do what you love. Because some people, if you don't know, that can be very confusing. Whenever I would hear that, I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? What does that mean? So for me, it's about trying everything. Just try it. If there's an opportunity, take it. There's a reason things are put in your path. There's a reason for everything I feel.

38:29And I've led my life and my business really with my intuition. Because again, when you don't speak the language at that age, that pivotal age between eight to 10, you're trying to figure out where you fit in in this world. And then you're going to start going to that early puberty and all that stuff. So there's no shame I've learned in admitting your mistakes. And it's really like you can learn so much from them. I think that's great advice. There's a lot of forever students where they just want to be a student and they want to write the business plan and they want to read the books, but they don't want to actually execute the vision.

38:59Go do it. Yeah. But the other thing, and you just nailed it, you're now into your 50s. We're moving into our 40s. And I honestly can say 20s and 30s was just us flailing around in the dark. Confusion. Yeah. And I think that's okay though. I think sometimes, especially young people that have parents that put pressure or family or just people that put pressure, they think they need to figure it out 20s, 30s. Or it themselves. First of all, nothing's as scary as that scary movie you're playing in your head. the loudest voice is generally your own so make sure it's telling you something really great and positive every single day and look there are people who are under 30 and become billionaires like Whitney who used to live in Austin she's a really good friend of mine I just talked to her yesterday her baby's so cute but like that's great but stop comparing I think with social media now there's so much pressure like my son just turned 21 he's like I'm not where I want to be in life.

39:47And I go, what? Tell him I was on the bar, like flashing guys at 21. I know me, I was dancing in a cage above a bar. I was on the floor under the bar. There you go. There you go. Look at us now. But no, I mean, I really do, honestly, and I talked to Lauren about this all the time. I really feel like we're just now finally getting started. Yes. And we've now been doing these kind of things for two decades. And that's maybe strange for people to hear that aren't as far along, but we were kind of, like I said, we're just flailing around in the early twenties and thirties. And I don't think you have to have it figured out there.

40:21And I think that society puts a lot of pressure on young people to have it figured out. Here's the other thing. And maybe this is wrong, but most young people that I encounter, like twenties and thirties, when they come to me for something, I don't take them as very serious. It's not that I don't think they're serious people, but I'm like, okay, like, it's like, you know what I mean? Like they, they come really serious the same way that I probably used to. Oh yeah. We took ourselves so seriously. But people that have a little bit more experience, like you, I understand the phase of life they're in.

40:46Right. They're not there yet. And the thing is, I think when you're young, like this is the time, if you're going to fall, fall in your twenties and thirties, because you can take it, you can get back up. Don't be like, I'm 70 now. I'm going to finally take that chance. Like, obviously it's fine. You can always dream big, always. But I'm just saying, if you are in your twenties and thirties and you want to take that step and you're scared to like, do it. I thought there was so, I was like, if we fail then, but looking back, we had no kids. Yeah. We had no mortgages. We had no health obligations.

41:14Didn't have to take care of anything. I didn't have to worry because you just worried for me. No, but the point is... I just sat back with a piece of hay in my tooth. But for the young people listening, I think it would be so liberating to go back to then and be like, man, the worst thing that can happen is I can't afford the bar tab. Exactly. Or like, you know, I can't afford... And we would feel so embarrassed. Like, I don't want anyone to know this didn't work out. This one didn't work out. Like, you get so... That's part of it. Or like, you get kicked out of an apartment and have to go to a cheaper one.

41:39Like, now the stakes are higher when you have kids and a family. Now it's all about their comfort. Being able to give them, offer them a certain, you know, lifestyle and comfort and raise them in safety, security. It's not easy raising them with social media either. I know. It's not easy. I try to tell my daughter, like, even when she like will peek over my shoulder, like I want her to know it's a movie set. How old is she? She's five. Oh, I was going to say, when she's about 10, I mean, a friend of mine gave me this contract that I made my son sign and it was a real social media contract, what he'll do and not do when he's on his iPad.

42:15And he was like, I'm only 10. I'm like, it's okay, I'm gonna sign for you. I'm your guardian. He goes, okay. What did the contract say? I'm gonna explain it to you. It was just, you know, certain hours and how you're gonna respect these boundaries. And if you didn't, then you're access to this. So it's never like, you're in trouble, go to your room, take your iPad. So it's never like that. Like he knew. He knew if he messed up and he would test me. I'm like, well, you know what the contracts say? Oh yeah. So it's like really, I think I've always treated my son like a little person. Just because he lacked the language and experience didn't mean he lacked the intellect.

42:45So I would talk to him like this. And my friends were like, he is three years old. I said, he understands, don't you? And he's like, mm-hmm. It's very Asian mom of you. I'm going to make a contract with Towns. There's a couple of contracts I need to make up. I need to make a couple of contracts with you. I'm not signing shit. Exactly. And you're not my guardian. She's allowed to bully you. No, I'm not saying anything. She does a good job of it. Okay, we need to talk about the elephant in the room, which is your skin. Your skin, every time I've seen you, it's like just beautiful. Thank you. It's something like just so fresh and useful about your skin.

43:24Thank you. No fillers, which nothing wrong if you do, but I like to make people's skin so healthy that it'll hold their injectables longer. That's like my whole goal, to give you healthy, dense skin. It looks healthy. dense and bouncy yeah it's beautiful and listen i saw it when i was in aspen it was like in the pure sunlight that was most incredible because you know how you'll see someone in the sunlight and it's like maybe like a lot of makeup it's like your skin just like radiates it's really cool thank you you're very i do a lot of stuff like i do okay so i do um from the inside obviously every morning i start with either pure olive olive oil or cod liver fish oil okay cod yeah liver fish you're drinking it or applying it drinking it okay straight in i drink one spoonful i switch off because i never let my body get used to anything so i do the codfish liver oil like i did that this morning yesterday i did the olive oil do you have a brand of the codfish that you like it's a norwegian brand i know what you're talking about yeah well you text it to me ugly green yeah and then i every morning i have peak tea fermented green tea and then i do shore magic is it the pure one oh yes the green pure i knew you were gonna say that oh good i have some i had some in my back pocket i have some in that bag okay so you do your cod liver shot then you do your peak green green green tea with the shore magic there's only one ingredient it's hydrolyzed codfish skin so it's pure marine collagen and then i don't eat breakfast because when i moved to america i was from you know we had hot breakfast this like cereals pancake that didn't interest me So I just, I didn't know, but I was doing fasting since I was young.

45:00And I think the main thing with good skin is you don't ever go up and down in your weight. I've been the same weight and size, well, other than being pregnant my whole life since I was 13. Oh, I'm fucked. People are going to love that tip. I'm fucked. I'm so fucked. No, you're not. Because I've had three kids and it goes up and down. No, that's pregnancy. That's pregnancy is different. It's different. No, your skin, you could tell there's collagen. Okay. Yeah, you look good. Trust me. I hope so because I've really gone up and down. Because it maintains the same shape consistently. And so it doesn't change the skin.

45:28It's really, really, especially now with the GLPs, there are people that really need it. But if you don't, don't take it for your five to 10 pounds. Like just... Because it drains the collagen from the skin. Yeah, it does. It really does. I don't know if that's the right scientific... No, what it does is that you lose the fat quickly and then you don't gain it back when you stop taking it because that facial fat is so precious, so important. Yeah, I know what you're... It's definitely a certain look. Yeah. You do have to be... I feel like if you're going to do the GLP-1, you've got to be eating that collagen.

45:57I think microdosing is what they recommend. Yeah. And there are certain people need it. They need it for their blood pressure. They need it for diabetes and stuff. But for your 5 to 10 pounds, I feel like just cut out the heavy dinners. It's so crazy how people off air are talking about the GLP-1. Now, like, we'll go to dinner with someone and it's literally like they said I got my eyebrows waxed. Now, it's not a big deal. I mean, I love microdosing, but I don't. I like. but here's the thing that i would say so we know i mean a lot of people are doing this and no shade on anyone no no and we have a lot of friends and i'm all for it but i do think that what you're touching on here is with anything but i always say with this is anything there's always a price to pay somewhere else right so like maybe you lose that five to ten pounds and maybe your blood pressure but now you've also maybe changed your face i think the main thing is moderation if you are going to do it.

46:49Microdose, like they say, like safely and in moderation. Homeostasis is my favorite, favorite word ever. And it's just about maintaining a balance. That's just the way the Chinese culture is, is finding Japanese culture, like finding that balance. And that's with you, beauty. Everything's about finding that pH balance in your skin, finding that homeostasis. Because I had created so much cosmetic confusion. I was, you know, being beauty snob, repping this brand and that brand. And next thing you know, I had this 13 step routine, 25 products in the morning, you know, 25 more at night. And it was just my skin had the worst rosacea.

47:20I had eczema. It was all caused by these external products. I couldn't use retinol. I couldn't use any kind of active ingredients. And as I was getting into my 30s, I'm like this, this something's got to like give. If I was working with so many different brands trying to find a better way, I just knew that there had to be a better way and that simplicity and performance should and could live in the same bottle, but I couldn't find it. And there were so many brands that said, let's do a collab. I'm like, okay, I love collaborations. And that they wouldn't let me develop any, they were just like, no, no, the serum's done.

47:49We just want you to sell it and say you made it. And I would say, no, I'm not doing that. If I ever were to do a skincare brand, I would have to be the one in the lab developed. It'd have to be my ideas. I would have to be the one doing everything. And my business partner, she's married to one of my good friends. And she told me about this medical grade lab in Italy. They had been developing a molecule that mimics a healthy skin cell and we could pack it with anything. And if you think about right now when you're putting active ingredients the reason we get irritation is because the act the active ingredients are blindly pushed all over your face only the damage needs that only the free radicals need but your healthy skin cells suffer that collateral damage they really in order for it to reach it so imagine like you're trying to get oil into your oil gasket i'm explaining the way that michael but instead you're putting oil all over that engine hoping to drop skin that oil gasket so you're destroying the engine while you're doing it but with our technology, I call it like a GPS system because we mimic a healthy skin cell.

48:43It's made of the exact same polyunsaturated fatty acid as your skin. So free radicals are magnetically attracted to it. They attack it thinking it's a healthy skin cell. When they penetrate through that molecule, it bursts open, releasing active ingredients only where your skin has the oxidative damage, only treating the damage, bypassing your healthy skin cells. In the last 10 years, I started this journey eight years ago. My friends were like, you're aging backwards. They're like, and I know it's not anything you can get from you know at the doctors like it's it's like the skin you had when we were kids what are you wearing on your skin right now you beauty the skin tint this but what's underneath it that's what i'm more curious about you beauty um i've got on our new smooth wrinkle defense i don't say i don't say anti-aging because i feel like that is so degraded it's just anti-aging is like uh low vibration yeah low vibration and for me because i had had you know I was I had a cancer scare right before I launched Ubeauty a precancerous tumor was discovered and it was like I'm like I can't be sick I told my doctor I'm like I'm launching a skincare brand in that's how my brain works I'm like it's September 21st my brand is launching November 1st how do we how do we fix where did they find that in my uterus so what did you do I just opted for a full hysterectomy and was that tough it was but at the same time it was like I was so like again i'm like i've got to get there so this is a problem the most the best way i talked to three different doctors i called the doctor and md anderson at the time in my late 40s they're like you're not gonna have any more kids like there's no reason to keep to keep that and i said okay feel the same yeah i feel great you feel great well i'm also on hormone pellets i'm on bio identical pellets that i get from dr sandra does that hurt no it doesn't hurt no so like they put a needle in and then they put it in they they inject you with a numbing solution i go to dr chris sassandra in la and he then puts in the pellet and it's just like you don't even feel it so you have to go back to what you're they're bio identicals bio these pellets yeah you have to go back to what you're wearing under your skin you said you said the wrinkle the skin and i'm so add i'm like what am i talking about where am i don't worry so i am all wait michael's like what are they talking about i understand i'm keeping up i'm keeping up i understand so i've got the smooth on and then because it has copper peptides which i'm obsessed with i inject that every six months for 60 days and then i have on the super hydrator which jen anison's obsessed with so is demi more loves the body hydrator like people love the hydrator because it really penetrates deeply and that's what you brought me that's what i brought you and then i have multi modal defense which is a butter bomb with spf and then i have my super tinted it's a tint and you don't have any other makeup besides the tint.

51:26I have a little blush stick, a Korean blush stick. But it's not like you have like a bunch of foundation. No, no, I don't have foundation on. Wow. You know who her skin looks like? Stacey Christie. Can I tell you something? You said you don't use retinol? I do now. You do now. Encapsulated. Because of our encapsulation, the retinol is only going to be released where your skin has oxidative damage. So I don't get rosacea anymore. I'm very specific about the retinol. The one that I like is Alpharet. Should I try yours? Yes. Okay. And stop everything else. I don't use retinol besides Alpharet. I don't like it on my skin.

51:59I don't like how it looks. Yeah. But I will try yours. Our resurfacing compound is our first product. It's eight serums in one. That's why I started this journey. When she told me about this technology, I was like, okay, this sounds like sci-fi. I've been, so many skincare brands have made promises and no brand. At that point, I just knew there hasn't had any real encapsulation technology since like the 50s or 60s. It was the same titration, time release, all of it. So with ours, it's like your skin finally takes control of your skincare. My son was 13. He was on so much tretinoin. His skin was so dry.

52:33And then he would get this cystic acne because the oil glands go into overdrive underneath. So the upper skin gets overdry from the harsh chemicals that he was putting on. And then beneath the oil glands would go into overdrives. So we're in Taiwan and he's like, oh, I forgot my medication for my doctor. And I saw I have the resurfacing compound. And he's like, you're not a doctor, mom, but he took it. And I never saw it again. So I just knew. I just knew. I'm like, if a 13 year old, I mean, we don't sell. This is not for teenagers. But my son was, you know, my I only had that one child and he was testing it out with me.

53:03And it changed his skin. What if he made you sign a contract to give him half? I know, right? What being like any of all your products? What's Kathy Hilton's favorite, Kris Jenner's favorite and Lauren Sanchez's favorite. Lauren. Oh, gosh. Lauren loves it all. She loves the new smooth. Kathy, probably the neck. Nikki, the neck as well. Paris loves the barrier. Loves. Kris has used the eye cream before. Courtney. Courtney loves the plasma. And Jen loves like super the plasma. So a lot of celebrities are just obsessed. Yeah. What were your sales like when you launched? Was it bigger than you thought?

53:44Has it taken a while to grow? What's been the vibe? Well, when we were launching with just one product in my head, we didn't even have a business contract. I just said, let's just make the best product. Let's not even talk about that. I told Katie, I said, I'm still going to keep working with the brands as an ambassador because for the first time I was writing a check, I was no longer playing with other people's money. So she and I wrote checks and we took a line of credit from the medical grade clinic and the resurfacing compound, which is eight serums in one has vitamin A, which is the retinol vitamin C and it has vitamin E and it's got AHAs, glycolics and peptides and it has witch hazel.

54:19So it's also your toner and all of it. And when everyone said, that's crazy, that's not going to work. Because in the past, if you used a retinol with vitamin C at the same time, it was like George Costanza, like two worlds colliding. You're just going to blow up into some rosacea or some sort of rash. But because of our encapsulation and the delivery system, we were able to combine everything together and you will see results in two to three days because we're just really focused and precisely delivering to where your skin needs it. And that's the hydrator or the resurfacing? The resurfacing compound.

54:48Men love that because they get it. It's a serum they put on, they go to bed. Don't do this because now he does this all the time. He's just doing it. No, you should see he has my fucking Gua Sha hairbrush. Oh my God. He has my hair. Why does his hair look better than both of ours? Like it's so coiffed. It's insane because he has a whole routine. What is this? He uses my high frequency wand. He's over there with my beef tallow chapstick. He has my colostrum cream. He's been very like... Yeah, I know. He loves it. I love this technology. It's insane. He has my flosser that I use. He uses my brow peptide.

55:22It's insane. What brow peptide? I got to give you something. I do castor. I want to use that. It's castor oil. Oh my God. I love castor oil. It's organic cold pressed castor oil with a peptide in it. I love that. I have to give you one. So I put it in my belly button and I put a patch and then a heating cloth or some sort of heating thing. So that goes into your liver, goes into your organs. It's good for you, right? Yes. And I make my own probiotic suppositories because your gut destroys all of your probiotics before it reaches the lower gut. Okay, hear me out. The lower gut is where all of the serotonin is made.

55:57So all the depression, all the microbiomes that we had a million years ago, most of them are gone from modern food and the packaged foods, processed foods that we're eating. So I met this acupuncturist, and he was telling me how he cured himself of colon cancer, making these suppositories. So we figured out, so I buy it from a lab, and it's got like 250 billion CFUs. And then I use, the delivery system I like is cacao, pure cacao butter. So I melt that down to room temperature. Then it's very specific. I buy these molds, and I have this whole lab set up. Then the room temperature cacao butter I put into each little suppository mold, and then I get the powder and I have this little colander thing and the powder goes in there and I feel more of the room temperature cacao butter and then I put in the fridge and then I harden to a little bullet suppository.

56:43So... Is it like a penis mold that you're molding? It's a suppository. It looks like bullets. So why do you need a dick size suppository? No, ew. It's like this big. It's like the size of my pinky. What is going on with you? I've seen a penis that big so don't put that... It's a micro penis. It's not pretty. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. It wasn't mine. thank god christ i do it for take six days celebrity but it wasn't we're gonna need that name six days so it takes six days to repopulate the microbiomes and i do it once a month for six days and because of my precancerous tumor they found i was forced to do a colonoscopy in my late 40s so they discovered i think five to eight polyps that were precancerous then i had to go And then again, it was like five to six polyps.

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1:05:22I will love it. I'll do a fucking tutorial on it. Yes, it's so good. You don't understand because that night, the first night will be painful because it's killing off the bad microbiomes. Like your stomach will hurt. By the third night and you wake up that fourth morning, usually second or third, fourth morning, is you know that when you get that first date feeling the butterflies in your stomach? Yeah. You feel that like out of the blue for no reason. You're just like, because i'm sure michael be thrilled yes how many days do you have to do it in a row just six days and you literally just pop it in your butt at night laying on your left because the colon dips that way so you lay on your left and you put it in tina i would never lay on my right side you that's why if my back is to you every night because i will never lay on my right side what's wrong with your right it's really bad it's really bad for you really bad have you not noticed i always lay on my left side you gotta lay on your left side to the audience well it's it's the way the organs are because when you're doing it this way you're crushing a lot of the weight so it's this way.

1:06:15You've been crushing your organs for the last time. You know why? I used to lay to the left side but our son runs into our bed now. Yes, you don't want to break your nose. I know. And this guy's got like a bowling ball of a head. I don't know what's going on with him. He swings this thing. He's smart. Bigger head, bigger brains. You get a broken nose if you lay with this kid so I go the other way. Bigger brains, bigger butt. Bigger butt. It's not the hands. I'm just kidding. So I need to lay on my left side and how often do you do it? And I buy these, you know, then you use, I'll send you gloves.

1:06:44Okay. And then you just stick it up with the glove and you throw it. And then you lay there and you go to sleep. Just go to sleep. But for how, like, how often do you do this? Is it once a month? Once a month. Once a month. Now I've cut it back because I'm in a good place. So now I probably do it every two or three months. How did you know to do this? The acupuncturist. Just the acupuncturist. And then I studied, of course. But how did you know to like mix the cacao? To get GPT. And then I just, I research, you know me, I'm like so analytical. It's a problem like solving. I'm like, okay, how do I do this at home?

1:07:11Because I don't want it. Because he was talking about like enemas. I'm like, I'm not doing that. I'm not sitting in the tub. Let me see your chat GPT history. What's going on? We're just going to say, let me see your butthole. We're not there yet, guys. I am dating someone. I don't just invite guests on the show. She has a boyfriend. I'm dating someone. Thruples are not my thing. I do bet your chat GPT history is quite the chat going on. It's quite the chat going on there is. I'm always like, delete, delete. No more memory. You know what's scary now is I think they can like, don't they use that data or keep it?

1:07:42If you let them. Yeah, if you let them or something. I asked it the other day. I said, you better not be sharing my data with anyone. I talked to it like a friend and it says it will never do that to me. I talked to, I swear to God, I talked to it for like an hour about sharing my data. I'm like, I don't want this anywhere. You know what's so funny though? I use a different name for login. And then when I ask questions, I change all the names. Like, so this guy I'm dating, you know, Robert or whatever. I make up a name. so never knows who I am. My latest favorite is when he does something that annoys me.

1:08:11I go to it and I say, this is what my husband's doing. It's all his fault. I don't know what to do. I need to get across a message that's really clear. Can you please give me something that's straight to the point? It's helped me respond to you a lot. What was your last prompt about? Well, I had to take accountability at one point because it asked me what I did. Oh my God, I love it. I talk to ChatGPT more than I talk to you. like advice giver all of it i love it and i get mad at it i say i don't think you're working hard enough today like i like literally like i'll like go on and tell it like i have to do this this this this this this today how do i do it make it make sense for someone who has adhd and it like gets to work do you have it or does he i have it i feel like all three of us have it he's like what do i do if i have a gray hair i'm not asking you what i asked it today i'm like my husband came into the room last night and you will never guess what he said i will talk to it like a friend like a best friend yeah yeah i love it yeah i did that i asked it today i i was trying to learn about condoms what well because now we have all these kids i'm not doing a condom well i then you gotta but you also don't do birth control so well we could do the rhythm but i said whatever i said figure something how many years three now right yeah yeah i was like what is the like the thinnest the whole like golf, you know.

1:09:31What does it say the thinnest best condom is, Michael? Something called Skin, S-K-Y-N and I heard of it. So I got to look at it. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. clearly what they call the kids. So now I'm trying to figure that out. You don't want that in you. No, I don't want a condom. I'm not putting a condom on. No. Use it to beat your meat upstairs. I'm not doing that. Yeah, she's not doing that. A condom's like putting like a bag over your head and doing push-ups. Okay, well then just stop. Chad CBT's like, ooh, you pervert, get away from me. There's other things you can do.

1:09:54Just, you know, the old-fashioned, the moon, the lunar cycles. Yeah, Michael. Don't do it on a full moon. She doesn't know how to look at her cycle. No, I'm not a big look at my cycle kind of gal. Don't you think she... She tells me to figure it out. How am I supposed to know? But Chad CBT. Yeah, you gotta figure it out. That could be your next problem. Don't just ask Chad about that. No, the problem is, is like, Like, listen, like you're at past three kids. If you get to four, then you're starting to really get up against it. And it's like, you know, what are we gonna do? Just be careful here.

1:10:21You gotta be careful. Yeah. I you're going to have to take that to chat GPT. I can't take it on. As chat GPT. But I studied it and I realized the best like delivery system would be because I all that delivery system ever since I became this beauty journey learning that smart. Yeah. Because the cacao butter can melt in your body temperature quickly. Okay. And make sure you only. Well, I'm going to make it for you. but anyone who wants to do this, you know, disclaimer, I'm not a doctor. I'll show, would you send me a big cooler of suppositories? Whenever anyone, any of these so-called journalists write pieces on us, they say, woo-woo, health misinformation.

1:10:57They're going to get a hold of this conversation and be like, Michael and Lauren are talking about putting suppositories with cacao up your ass. And Tina told us to do it. I want to say Tina told us to do it. And chat GBT tells us what to do. Well, because that reaches the lower gut. My friends were telling me I was crazy a couple years back when I started it. Then they went to Sun Valley and they're like, all the tech CEOs are saying, oh, the best way to take all your meds is straight to the source. Bypasses your gut because your gut acid will kill all of that probiotic before it even reaches your lower gut.

1:11:31You should do a YouBeauty suppository. I'm not joking. Give us something that's good for the - Imagine the liabilities of that one. Well, I think you'd crush it. But, you know, we do have white papers published on our technology. Tell me about the four C's. The four. Oh, I love the four C's. So I really again, it's like the five essentials with your bag collection. And so I'm like, how do I make skin care so that everyone can be well versed in it? Because it gets confusing, daunting, and you end up buying things because you want your salesperson to like you at that counter. You know, it's like we end up buying everything because we want we want to be accepted because it's like community.

1:12:05When you go to these places and go shopping with girlfriends, you get pressure into doing things. So I thought, okay, this is how we're going to do it. Cleanse. Okay. Compound, which is our eight serums compound into one. Okay. Cream, which is your eye cream, your super hydrator cream, and the oils, any of the hydrations. And then cover. The cover during the day should be your SPF, whether it's mine or someone else's. The cover at night could be the oil or our barrier sleep mask, which is like an occlusive cover that holds in all the hydration. And it's been clinically shown to really redensify the skin, keep it healthy and thicker.

1:12:37and again I'm all about just keeping that homeostasis because I'm obsessed with immortal jellyfish and when I when I was 18 I haven't tanned since I was a teenager I was so tan when I put on TikTok people were like ma 'am that is your mother how do you look younger in your 50s and you didn't you looked older at 18 because it used to be in to put the playboy bunny on the lower hip and the tan and the makeup and the hairspray one can of aquaphor every week so I've been trying to reverse the damage ever since and so my grandmother would take me for these jellyfish stem cell treatments like they would just put on my face and microneedle and and all that stuff so i told my this is how i talked to my biochemist i'm like you need to bioengineer immortal jellyfish because they you can cut it in half they'll grow a new tentacle they'll grow a new head it is the only organism on this planet that's been alive for millions of years so it is able to take damaged damaged adult cells and revert it back to nascent healthy stage so i said i need a product that does that and they said huh but now they're used to me but you know i'm I'm like, I want invisible shapewear for my arms, which is now our sculpt arm compound.

1:13:41And just the way my brain works, I want certain products and I just tell them. And now they just go, OK, we try. We'll try it. We'll try it. Because they know I just keep asking them, you know, because I won't give up. And I also like your lip compound a lot. Yes. That's where I fell in love with your brand is through the lip compound. It feels really nice on the lips. I would definitely recommend that you guys try the lip compound because even looking at your lips if you watch the YouTube she has like these beautiful it's like very healthy lips do you know what I mean like there's no fine lines or wrinkles and this compound holds in hydration so I found out that every single day we lose 15 to 20 percent of hydration so when I was younger I had great lips and as I got older they started thinning out and I was trying to figure it out so I researched it it's because we're constantly losing hydration so with our technology because of our encapsulation the siren capsule mimics a healthy skin cell so it's able to penetrate the skin deeper.

1:14:34And once it's beneath the skin's level, then it's in the presence of free radicals. Free radicals are able to penetrate through that capsule, releasing hyaluronic acid molecules beneath the skin's top layer, acting as a plug for the barrier breaches. There I go with the word plug. It's my favorite word. I'm just kidding. And also the water source for your skin to drink from. So the plasma lip compound is not just, it's not a lip balm. It's not a lip gloss. Can he wear it or not? Yes, guys. That's why I made the gray one because our investor, our investors, it used to be pink, and he was like, can we get a different color?

1:15:05I pulled this out. Yeah, I'll try it. So we were the first, Business of Fashion wrote that we were the first to do the metal tip to the lip obsession because I always felt like the lips were the most neglected part of the face. We spent hundreds of dollars on eye creams and face creams. And then we're like, I'll just put on this lip balm from CVS. But it dries your skin out or it has Vaseline in it or petroleum or some, what's it, is it petroleum? Not petroleum. Well, what I was worried about too with the lips was before those lip plumping products, what they do is they kind of increase circulation.

1:15:38So you get like stimulated. So it appears plumper, but it's actually very damaging in the long run because it gets more dry. And then you're like, wait, they're more chapped than before. Why now I gotta buy something else to hydrate it. It was like this never ending cycle of getting more and more products. Whereas ours, my only intention is to make the skin the healthiest it can be because it's my face. So is this a woman's product that I just put on? No, it's Unisex. It's Unisex. That's why it's called You Beauty because your skin, your skin is totally different from Lauren's skin and my skin, but your skin will take charge and only release active ingredients where you need it, where you have free radical activity.

1:16:10That's like, that's why it's called YouBeauty. Also, you have skincare on every part of your body and you never do the lips. We always look like that and then we go, oh, look at my lips. And no one likes cracked lip. No one likes it. It also treats the vertical lines. It's instantly smoothing and it has peptides in there. I spent a lot on that lip. The research, my partner was like, you want a lip compound and you're like we kept testing and it's great and i kept saying let's just keep testing oh but to go back to when we launched we didn't have a contract between the two of us i was my i was so tunnel vision to making the best product i couldn't find that had all the ingredients in there that could give me that glass skin so when we were finally ready we had a hundred testers like diet product can't candace want to pull nikki paris cat all these Joanna check.

1:16:55You know, we had beauty editors from publications testing it for me. And finally, no one had any sort of reaction because my partner was like, are we going to just keep going? I said, yes, it got really expensive. And then she said, do you think you could sell this amount in a year? And I said, yeah, I can. She goes, well, because, you know, we've worked with people in the past with millions of followers. They couldn't even sell a thousand. I go, I got this. I'll sell it in a year. We sold out within 21 days of launch. Wow. And this is me after getting my hysterectomy. me. I rested. I got on October 1st.

1:17:26I rested till October 21st. I got on the road, started traveling. I was hosting events and dinners and launches. Kathy did one at her house for me. And then by we launched November 1st, by November 21st, I got a call and they said, we're completely sold out. Get off, get off your Instagram live right now because you were selling it on Instagram live and net a porté. They were our only partner because one of the buyers had tried it and she She goes, my skin changed like in two days. She said, I want to sell this. I go, no, we're not doing retail. Are the products at Kathy's pajama party? Yes. I'm.

1:17:58Are you going? I'm supposed to go. I won't be in London. I won't be there. I'll send all the. You will be there. I won't be in L.A. But next time I have to go to New York. But I want to go to Kathy's pajama party. So I want to go when you're going. Let's go to her holiday party. The most impressive person you've ever met is at Tom Cruise. I saw a picture with you at Tom Cruise. And I got to think that that's number one. I've met him several times that's not my number one I've been trying to find the connectivity you kind of look away is it the hairline you know what I was trying to think Christian Bale married Tom Cruise listen we're going to meet a lot of interesting with a little bit of Asian in him I think that's the top of the heap is Tom Cruise I think do you disagree?

1:18:40I was going to say you guys I was thinking career longevity world phenomenon. I can't go on this. Lauren gets so mad when I go on this. Is that your man crush? Okay. I think so. Have you met him yet? No. No. Do you want to? Yes. Okay. Come to the next movie. I will leave Lauren. If you can introduce me right now, I'll leave her. Leave her for Tom? Probably. I could use a break. Okay. Youbeauty.com. You guys, Tina gave you code skinny for 20 % off. I would say to definitely, definitely get this lip compound. And what I'm excited about trying, I can tell you right now, is the one that has all of it in it, which is the resurfacing compound, right?

1:19:20Yes, eight serums in one. Okay. Up to eight products. That one looks amazing, but I feel like you can't go wrong with your line. You can't go wrong. And they're made to go with all your current existing routines because it's different from everything out there. That's another thing I always say. It has to be different because if you don't have anything different, why am I launching something that's already in existence? No, what you've done is incredible. I'm such a fan. I'm also just such a fan of your career and everything you've done. Thank you. You're great on a mic. You can come back anytime you want.

1:19:46This is so fun. Where can everyone say hello? Ask you questions. Go to at you beauty. And what if they want to follow you on Instagram, though? At you beauty or at Tina. You got some fun pictures. I got some fun. Yeah, the royal wedding. I mean, they need to go like, go check out her page, guys. She was at the royal wedding. Well, there was the Prince Prince Borghese's wedding. And then the wedding wedding, the wedding. Were they amazing? They were both amazed. Imagine it was the same month. how do you have the energy to run around all these things oh my god i just wake up so happy and excited because my serotonin i don't drink coffee i'm self-caffeinated when i get these suppositories look out i'm gonna be shoving shit up my ass on my left side imagine if i get more good let's go no no do not give him when he already has too much energy i'll be flying tina thank you for coming on the show thank you thank you for having me for all you beauty products make sure you use code skinny.

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