William Gaunitz On Unexplained Hair Loss, Thinning Hair, Scalp Hygiene, & How To Regrow Healthy Hair

7:35William Gaunitz:Oh man, this is a hot topic. So there's microneedling and then there's derma rolling. So derma rolling is what everybody does on the internet. they get the little, you know, tiny little needle device, and then they push that into their scalp, and then they use a topical. That's, to me, not a great idea. Now, if you're going to traditionally use microneedling, like medical microneedling, and you go in, you see an esthetician, and you do this, you know, monthly for, say, four to six months, phenomenal. So there's a lot of data that says when you penetrate the surface of the scalp by about two millimeters, which hurts, you bleed, you are going to stimulate recovery.

8:11William Gaunitz:So microneedling, good. In my opinion, derma rolling, bad.

8:14Lauryn Evarts:Why are so many guys bald?

8:16William Gaunitz:We live in a world that is a recipe for baldness.

8:21Lauryn Evarts:What's the recipe?

8:22William Gaunitz:The recipe is basically using the wrong products on your scalp. The just horrible dietary habits. Your gut plays a massive role in how your hair should be growing. Nutrients, people are not getting blood work. They're not getting their vitamin D tested. They're not getting their iron and ferritin tested. They're going on crazy diets that negatively impair what's going on. Like basically you shouldn't be a vegan if you're an O blood type. If you are a B blood type, you're consuming tons of chicken. I can go down that rabbit hole.

8:50Michael Bosstick:What are the vitamins that people are lacking, or I guess the levels that people are lacking when that correlates directly with hair loss?

8:56William Gaunitz:Yeah, vitamin D is huge. I mean, we found out during COVID that vitamin D is a big deal for your immune system. So when you are taking vitamin D, most people's vitamin D is suppressed. if your vitamin D is less than 30 nanograms per milliliter, you're most likely going to have some hair loss, even if it's diffused throughout your entire body, beard, eyebrows, hair. I had a guy that came in with a situation. He could not grow hair well on his entire body. He had 30 % of his hair left. His only problem, like literally did nothing else. We tested his vitamin D. His vitamin D was two nanograms per milliliter, lowest I've ever seen.

9:33William Gaunitz:We gave him some vitamin D, he doubled his hair in a month.

9:37Lauryn Evarts:Is this a supplement or is it an IV of vitamin D that you're giving him?

9:40William Gaunitz:No, it's a supplement, sublingual.

9:41Lauryn Evarts:So just like a regular old supplement?

9:44William Gaunitz:Yeah, but in that situation, right, like he was one of those very rare people that had crazy low vitamin D. My lowest mine's ever been and was like 12. So, but in that situation, that's what you need. Every person's an individual, obviously, and you need to test what's going on for you to correct

10:01Michael Bosstick:So if you have these guys and they're rubbing their scalp and micro-needing their scalp and their vitamin D is low, it's likely they can just change the vitamin D and that would probably be all they need to do.

10:09William Gaunitz:Well, I mean, it just, yeah, it depends. So, I mean, my philosophy, which is called the Gondistrychology method, there's three primary reasons for hair loss. There's DHT, there's nutrition, and then there's inflammation. Inflammation mostly stems from your gut. The nutrition issue is exactly what we're talking about. There's five key nutrients, ferritin, obviously vitamin D. then you've got zinc, B12, and folate. And then if you've got genetics that your hair is going to fall out, you have to fight those genetics. Your body's asking your whole physiology to lose hair. So DHT or dihydrotestosterone is the issue.

10:45William Gaunitz:You need to mitigate that. And you might have all three and you're just, you might try one thing and it kind of works or it doesn't work. You have to handle what's going to happen for you.

10:54Michael Bosstick:Genetically, how are there things that you can look at?

10:59Michael Bosstick:Like none of that matters. So how do you know genetically if you're predispositioned to balding?

11:04William Gaunitz:So there's a test. There's a genetic test. So you can get the genetic test. It doesn't mean that you're going to lose your hair at 18. You might just have, you know, like 80 % of men have some type of genetic hair loss pre-programmed. But if you have all this like epigenetic factors and lifestyle factors that's causing you to potentially lose your hair, it may speed everything up. So whether you have it or not is kind of dictated by your pattern of loss. If you are losing hair on the top of the head more so than the sides or the back, you probably have DHT related loss.

11:37Michael Bosstick:So why do women lose their hair?

11:39William Gaunitz:Is it the same as men or is different? Same as men, but the ecosystem, the female ecosystem has more variables. So the overall aspect of just, you know, menstruation, you're losing blood on a monthly basis. You require about three times the iron that a male does. You also have all these hormones with, you know, obviously giving birth your estrogen when you go through pregnancy is actually anywhere from about 150 to 300 times normal. So it spikes during pregnancy and then dumps within three days after giving birth. There's so many of those things. Then birth control. So if you're using any hormonal birth control, it's probably changed your ecosystem.

12:23William Gaunitz:There's just so many different levels. And then pressure on women for different diets, vegetarianism, veganism, that's going to impair the amount of iron that you're consuming. And that's going to be a problem. It just, you know, so many things.

12:35Lauryn Evarts:So I added liver iron.

12:38William Gaunitz:Yep.

12:39Lauryn Evarts:Tons of iron.

12:40William Gaunitz:Yep.

12:40Lauryn Evarts:I added a bunch of heart and it's like a force of nature ancestral blend. An ancestral blend. Yeah. And I noticed my hair used to be the hair used to be fried blonde. I noticed my hair started growing. However, I also did something else with that. I took three scoops, which is a lot of amino acids a day with creatine.

13:00William Gaunitz:Okay.

13:00Lauryn Evarts:And I noticed that my hair grew like faster, thicker, stronger, shinier.

13:07William Gaunitz:Yeah. Yeah.

13:08Lauryn Evarts:That's again, organ meat, I think worked for you for you.

13:12William Gaunitz:Yeah. So you added 100 percent fuel, right? So you added all the iron. So you added all these other natural amino acids in those organs. And then you just really sort of pumped it up with extra amino acids and then the creatine. So your body is like, oh, thank you so much for all of this fuel and all these raw materials to turn my hair into growing longer because your body's smart. it's regulating how much hair you're going to grow because it's the second most rapidly dividing cell in your body if you are malnourished in a sense your body's going to hold back those nutrients for what you need to live how much does stress contribute to hair loss depending on the person a lot yeah i mean the amount of impact that stress has on our bodies obviously just a slow burn of inflammation but in a sense of you know losing hair the The stress can be a direct cause of hair loss.

14:05William Gaunitz:So there's only a handful of things. Genetics is one of them. But stress can cause telogen effluvium, which basically a trauma, a stressful event, can make you shed anywhere from basically 33 % to half of what you have within basically a year. There's other things like alopecia areata, which a lymphocytic attack on your hair follicle, which is really, really common. It's those spots where when people lose full heads of hair. and their eyebrows and the rest of their body, that is directly caused by stress.

14:35Michael Bosstick:You know, it's interesting because last year in the middle of the year, we had our third child on the way and we have two small ones. And then I was in the middle of a bunch of stuff and I was a lot more stressed than I typically was. And I could tell like, got a couple more grays than usual. Hair was like a little bit thinning, but I noticed when I got it under control, it kind of reversed a little bit. But in that period of time, I could tell that there was something going on. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you got it under control.

15:00Lauryn Evarts:I mean, it's so, it's like someone with like, like billions of dollars being like, I lost a thousand dollars.

15:08Michael Bosstick:Maybe if I had the billions, I wouldn't have been stressing.

15:10Lauryn Evarts:I call him Eddie Munster because the hairline is so far down and he really has so much hair. You do. So I don't think you should complain.

15:20Michael Bosstick:No, no, but I, but I'm saying I could notice at that time that there was less of the, of the hair. and I could tell, and I think during that period of time, I definitely kicked up some of my grays and it was in an acute period of time. And I know that that's coming in, that's a normal part of aging, but I could tell in that condensed period of time, it like accelerated for a period and then kind of just probably went back to normal.

15:41William Gaunitz:Did you notice shedding?

15:42Michael Bosstick:A little bit, yeah.

15:42William Gaunitz:Okay, so when did you notice it?

15:44Michael Bosstick:I noticed, remember I told you about this. I said, oh, I would go like put my hair back and be like, what's going on there? And there'd be more than usual. Yeah. And I was like, oh shit, that's not good. And then I noticed like now, I mean, I have stuff in my hair now, but there's a lot more grays than there used to be. And it's, you know, you can see it in the beard and stuff like that and it's coming.

15:59William Gaunitz:Yeah, I clearly know about gray.

16:01Michael Bosstick:But it's, you know, I think it's a normal thing for a lot of men. But I just realized in that period of time, it was like an accelerant of what I would see as like a normal process of shedding and graying.

16:11William Gaunitz:Sure, well, and then if you are not getting enough sleep, you know, if you're stressed, and then again, cortisol, hormonal shifts, these are all gonna diminish the amount of stem cells actually activating your hair follicles, which can lead to more shedding and gray hair.

16:24Lauryn Evarts:Do you believe that red light helps stimulate your scalp?

16:28William Gaunitz:So there's a lot of different ways to use red light and absolutely if used correctly. So I, that's what kind of saved my hair. So back before you could get red light anywhere, there were these sort of, you know, in clinic lasers that you could only get by going in clinic. And that's how I started. So I opened a laser, a red light laser facility clinic with lasers, not LEDs, back in 2002. And that was just, you know, rocket fuel for your hair too because it stimulates blood flow, it stimulates ATP, but that will only work if you've mitigated the underlying reasons for the loss. If you were still super stressed, then that probably wouldn't do a whole lot.

17:13William Gaunitz:It could make you worse. If you weren't eating the organ meat, if you weren't correcting the underlying nutritional deficiency, that absolutely will make you worse. So you need to use it in the right circumstance It accelerates what's going on internally. And if it's good internally, good shifts, then you're going to grow more hair. If it's bad, you're already deficient, then it's going to make you worse.

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24:05Lauryn Evarts:Oh, I almost was going to buy it.

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24:09William Gaunitz:Never use more than 80 diodes, ever. Okay. The reason that you can buy those is it makes more money for the physicians or whomever is selling them.

24:18Lauryn Evarts:What about a red light bed?

24:19William Gaunitz:I love the red light bed. So the red light bed's different. So you're using LEDs, not lasers. And that ATP production throughout your entire body, I think, just is a mild stimulus versus an aggressive stimulus. So get rid of the helmet and the cart. I would just use it for what it is. Like if you are dealing with normal scalp health, then start low. Like use, I mean, get an 80 diode laser, use it, you know, 10 minutes twice a week. That's all you need.

24:43Lauryn Evarts:What's the one that you like the best if someone wants to buy what you're talking about?

24:47William Gaunitz:All right. So obviously advanced trichology, we have an 80 diode laser, shockingly enough. Use it twice a week. So that's the one I would never recommend more than 80 diodes. There's other older devices that are, you know, maybe 36 lasers with 50 LEDs. There was an old school device called the iGro laser. I still like that laser. I mean, it's still a good device. So know what you're getting. Do not use, again, anything more than 80 laser diodes.

25:12Lauryn Evarts:Okay, could you send me the one that you like so I can put it linked in our show notes?

25:16Michael Bosstick:100%. Okay. Just because it's such a popular medication right now, how have you seen GLP-1s affecting hair?

25:21William Gaunitz:Oh, man. I'm glad I thought about this. So we have a research team that's looking specifically into GLP-1s and why does it impact the scalp? The easy answer is it's modifying the way that you end up essentially absorbing nutrients. So that's the easy answer. When I'm looking under the scalp, I don't think that's the case. I think there's something with these peptides that are interfering with how the sugar is basically being absorbed. And there's something there that's creating inflammation. So we'll just say that it's nutritional, but I think there's more to it.

25:59Lauryn Evarts:What do you think about COVID and people who lost hair from COVID? What would you recommend that they do?

26:05William Gaunitz:So people who didn't think that this COVID hair loss was real is 100 % clinically proven it is real. So 28 % of people who got COVID ended up losing hair in some capacity. The problem is, is the inflammatory connection with COVID is an issue. I personally think that it's the change in the gut microbiome that was the biggest issue. We tried to tackle this with products in the clinic for probably three years till we hit the mark. There is a product that The only reason I brought it out of the clinics, it's called the hair stem serum. That product uses a lot of anti-inflammatories topically. So we're using actually essential oils, which I always thought was super hokey, but it helps bring down some of the inflammation on the scalp.

26:45William Gaunitz:And that helps a lot. There's other things that you can do, basically try to rehabilitate the gut because your gut microbiome probably shifted. So you want to look at things like lactobacillus rudieri. There's plantarum. There's a handful of other ones that are going to be really beneficial there. We actually have some new products like a gut renewal collagen that is actually really helpful in that. But you need to deal with the gut and you need to deal with the inflammation.

27:14Lauryn Evarts:If I take tea tree oil, like an organic tea tree oil, and I put some drops in my shampoo and my conditioner, and then I take a water, like a squirt water bottle, and I put tea tree oil in there and spray it after. Is that helpful?

27:27William Gaunitz:If you have a fungal issue of the scalp, absolutely.

27:31Lauryn Evarts:But what if you don't?

27:32William Gaunitz:No. Okay. So that's the thing. If you have an itchy, burny scalp, if you have tightness to the scalp, or if you're losing hair, that might be a good addition. If you are using that to help your scalp microbiome, don't. Because it's going to kill positive bacteria as well as probably kill some additional positive fungus and yeast.

27:50Lauryn Evarts:So how does someone come and test their scalp so they can figure out what they need?

27:55William Gaunitz:So really, the way that we do it is we look at it under the microscope. So when we're looking at the scalp under the microscope, you can see if there's overgrowth. You can see if there's inflammation. You can see if there's parasites. So there's like these little tiny parasites called demodex follicularum that will literally feed off of your epithelial cells in the oil. Super gnarly. But you can see them actually emerging from the scalp. So tea tree actually is really helpful for those, but you need to be able to wash your hair on a daily basis. And there's a scalp serum that helps with that too, the hair stem serum.

28:27Lauryn Evarts:What can you test on my scalp today with that thing behind you?

28:31William Gaunitz:I can look at your scalp at 50 times magnification and see what's going on clinically.

28:37Lauryn Evarts:And you'll actually be able to tell right away everything that's going on.

28:40William Gaunitz:Yes. I mean, so this is our new, obviously, home device. So I brought my laptop with my actual clinical device because I figured this was going to come up Yeah, I do want you to test my scalp and so we should do it on the laptop Okay, the when we get towards the end, we'll do it. No, yeah, we don't do it right now But I just want to know but that's that's the best way because you can tell a perfectly healthy scalp by comparing the back of the scalp To the top front sides and I can tell you where you're about to lose hair because of the way that the hair is growing As well as where hair is growing now that you don't know it's growing yet So like if you're recovering from a situation of stress or if you're using a new product, then you want to know if it's working.

29:18William Gaunitz:That's the best way to do it.

29:19Michael Bosstick:What's the point of no return where someone comes to you and they're like, you're like, it's too late. I can't help.

29:24Lauryn Evarts:Like Mr. Clean, is he past the point of no return?

29:27William Gaunitz:Probably. So dead hair follicles you will normally have if the hair follicle is completely dormant and resting. So nothing is growing for approximately two to three years. It will most likely die, atrophy away like anything else that you're not using.

29:42Lauryn Evarts:What about babies and cradle cap? We see this a lot. What is that from and what can we do to prevent it?

29:48William Gaunitz:That's a great question. So cradle cap is essentially just an overgrowth of yeast on the scalp. So, you know, these are all things you need to talk to your pediatrician about. But there are little things like if you're giving the baby, obviously, breast milk, and you are trying to then pass along something, you can make sure that your vitamin D is good, make sure your iron is good. If you want to do a little bit of a tea tree mist on the scalp, that will help take care of it. But obviously you just need to be really careful not to get it in baby's eyes, a variety of different ways. It's basically a yeast overgrowth.

30:21William Gaunitz:What about coconut oil in the hair? Also a great question. So coconut oil is filled with caprylic acid. So caprylic acid is very anti-yeast, anti-fungal, and that is okay. It's the only oil that I would recommend that you put on your scalp, but I recommend that you put it on your scalp and then you wash it off approximately, you know, 45 minutes later with a thorough shampoo.

30:43Michael Bosstick:So you know when you go to get a massage and they go, oh, do you want a scalp massage and they want to put the oil in? Would you decline and say no oil in the hair unless it's... 100%. Okay. Yes. I put castor oil in my

30:53Lauryn Evarts:eyebrows because the Egyptians used to use it for hair growth. What is your vibe on that?

30:57William Gaunitz:Okay. So castor oil is the one other one that may be, I mean, I would want to dilute it because obviously castor oil is like super thick. Your eyebrows, you know, they're short, so you can put a little bit in there. I'd say that that's fine.

31:10Lauryn Evarts:Good answer because I have a skinny confidential product.

31:13William Gaunitz:She's like, thank God.

31:14Lauryn Evarts:That is castor oil with a little bit of a peptide and I put it in my eyebrows every day.

31:19William Gaunitz:That's awesome. So now, I mean, there's a lot of people injecting peptides. I was going to ask you about peptides. Certainly. So, I mean, they're injecting them directly into the scalp. You can actually physically obviously inject them in systemically. There's a lot of good peptides that are very, very helpful for hair growth. So we actually have a new peptide shampoo that is also very supportive of obviously hair health. So you want to treat the scalp. So if your castor oil and obviously peptides are helping support the skin and the scalp or the eyebrow area, you're going to obviously grow better hair.

31:47Lauryn Evarts:What peptides specifically help grow hair?

31:50William Gaunitz:So there's three that we've identified that are probably the best. And so basically copper peptides. So copper tripeptide one, and then there's the biteninol tripeptide one, as well as the acetyl terapeptide three. So that's the kind of the outlier, the acetyl terapeptide three. It's really for essentially building the hair follicle itself because it's supporting the matrix and the skin. So that really supports the other two. So you want to look for obviously all three of those.

32:19Michael Bosstick:Yeah. Some people are saying that the copper is also good for skin and like 100 % Botox or whatever or can counter Botox or support collagen building so why if someone's

32:28Lauryn Evarts:not on a GLP one why wouldn't they also do the copper peptide I don't know how you would mix

32:33William Gaunitz:them because obviously you might have to use separate injections but you certainly could

32:36Lauryn Evarts:because it seems like if you're going to lose your hair on GLP one you mix it with that that

32:41William Gaunitz:would be helpful but I don't think it would solve the inflammatory problem completely it would just

32:44Michael Bosstick:be mildly supportive got it okay here's another tangent not controversial but maybe somewhat in in some frameworks. When should people consider potential hair replacement surgery and what do they need to be aware of? A lot of people going in or out, you hear about Turkey and places like this. I have a friend that's like gung-ho ready to go over there. I said, let me get some research for you first, buddy. What do people need to know?

33:06William Gaunitz:So I just interviewed basically the, consider the top hair restoration surgeon of the decade. And he actually introduced something about Turkey that I didn't know about. He's like, look, if you fly all the way there, you know, you're getting mildly sleep deprived, you go through what is a very, very rigorous procedure where you're getting thousands of tiny slits into your scalp as well as removing endless amounts of little organs and then putting them in those slits. And then you get back on a plane and you're on a plane for 12 to 14 hours in the airport in a ultra dry environment. That is not good for your scalp and the overall wellbeing of that hair.

33:42William Gaunitz:And I didn't even consider that. Let alone, you just really don't know what you're getting, there are a handful of phenomenal surgeons in the U.S. Seek them out because that's probably your best bet.

33:55Michael Bosstick:Why did Turkey get such a... And listen, I don't know a lot about this, actually, you do. Why did they get such a strong reputation for hair restorative surgeries over there? Because it's three to five grand. It's a cost. It's a cost. And did a bunch of people...

34:08Lauryn Evarts:Do you have to pay to go there?

34:10Michael Bosstick:It's all included.

34:10Lauryn Evarts:And if you're my friend, you're going there, you're buying a couple bottles at the club.

34:17Michael Bosstick:This friend is maybe not their best candidate.

34:19Lauryn Evarts:You might be buying all different kinds of things. Who knows what you're going to end up with.

34:22Michael Bosstick:But that's the only reason. Was there a bunch of doctors over there that jumped in and started doing that? How did they get the reputation? Because I think a lot of men think that that's where you go for this type of...

34:32William Gaunitz:So I've actually been reached out to through Instagram for me to be an influencer for some of these Turkish...

34:38Lauryn Evarts:They have influencers for Turkey.

34:40William Gaunitz:Oh, yeah. And the amount of money that they're willing to pay you to promote it is ridiculous. Well, they should just call me. Exactly. Be like, I went to Turkey. Look at my hairline. Yeah, it's unnecessary. I'm just kidding, people.

34:51Michael Bosstick:I'm just kidding. Unless the price is right. All right, keep going.

34:55William Gaunitz:But so realistically, don't put yourself through that. Go. I mean, again, there's really, really good surgeons here. If you are at the point of no return, you want that full head of hair, go get the 8 ,000 grafts that's going to take two sessions here in the US rather than just one mega session there and just do it gradually and just don't try to do something overnight that doesn't seem possible.

35:18Michael Bosstick:What's a red flag if somebody is taking a consultation here or somewhere else that they should be aware of?

35:23Lauryn Evarts:That's a good question.

35:24William Gaunitz:So you want to meet with the surgeon. So the surgeon is hopefully the one doing the actual surgery itself. When you're doing a Zoom call and they say, you're a great candidate, we're going to have the best result for you possible. And then you get on a plane and you fly however long to turkey and you never meet the surgeon before they start actually knowing what you want done, that's a red flag. So you want to meet with that surgeon and make sure they're the best and make sure they're doing the procedure and they're going to be held accountable for the result.

35:53Lauryn Evarts:When you decided to grow your own hair and you said you were losing hair, what did the tangible steps that you took to get this head of hair? Because if you guys are watching YouTube, you have a great head of hair.

36:06William Gaunitz:Yeah, it's been a real pain in the ass, honestly. So keeping a full head of hair and my situation, I have an underlying genetic predisposition. I have two different types of hair loss. I have diffuse alopecia areata and I have androgenetic alopecia. I didn't know that I had these first starting out, but I was experimenting with so many different things. And so I ended up using laser. I ended up obviously using different supplements and finding out sort of through trial and error what worked for me. But when I was applying this to my clients, like after I obviously grew my hair back and then I opened a clinic, I found out real fast that there is no one size fits all.

36:46William Gaunitz:And what we did back in the day is we would give everybody a full supplement line, anti-DHT, basically full sort of a hair, skin and nails, but on steroids, and then also EFA. So essential fatty acids, great for your hair. And then we would use scalp massages and we'd use laser. And then we were using minoxidil and azelic acid and retinoic acid. It was a great combination of things. So that worked for about 80%. 20 % had mild to no results. Some people got worse. So then I had to figure that out over the last 15 plus years to invent new things to fix them.

37:20Lauryn Evarts:If someone's hairline is receding, male or female, what can they do on the hairline to fix that?

37:28William Gaunitz:So if your hairline is receding, the highest probability is it's a DHT related. So you want to suppress DHT. So you want to use something that is going to control that conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. There are medications out there like finasteride. So that's one option. Could come along with side effects. There's other items that you can use. Like we have a DHT blocker max, which essentially has a clinically proven version of saw pometto, which helps control that without the side effects. So you need something topically like minoxidil. If you don't want to use minoxidil, because that can have side effects as well, you want to control the environment by decreasing inflammation.

38:04William Gaunitz:So you want to do an internal, like again, whatever it is, you know, DHT blocker max or finasteride, and then a topical application direct to the area. And then also, if you want to really pump up results, that's when you use laser.

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45:33Lauryn Evarts:What is this thing that everyone's using? You just mentioned it. It starts with an M.

45:38William Gaunitz:A minoxidil?

45:39Lauryn Evarts:Everyone's using this. Explain this to me.

45:42William Gaunitz:Okay. So minoxidil has been around forever. So now what's happening is people are consuming oral minoxidil. So minoxidil, do you guys remember Rogaine? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Rogaine. So that's what minoxidil is. Rogaine is 5 % minoxidil and you apply that directly to the scalp. Well, that came from a blood pressure drug that was accidentally growing people's hair during the clinical trial back in like the late 70s and early 80s. So now people go, well, why don't we just go back and do that even though I don't have a blood pressure issue? So they're basically microdosing minoxidil. So rather than using 10 milligrams or 20 milligrams, they're using 1.25 or basically 2.5 max.

46:20William Gaunitz:Problem is, is that it only stimulates, whether you're using it topically or internally, the acceleration of basically the hair follicle itself. But if you still have DHT, if you still have nutritional problems, it's not gonna do anything for you. It's a great stack. Like, so if you do, you minimize all the things going on internally and then you use minoxidil topically or orally, that's a great enhancement. You can actually use that alongside laser. You can use it alongside peptides. So, but it has its place kind of like cardio and weight training. Like what's your goal? So it's just an enhancement to help rehabilitate your hair.

46:58Lauryn Evarts:What's the side effects of it?

46:59William Gaunitz:So the side effects, if you're using it orally, heart palpitations, lightheadedness, low blood pressure. So you can have obviously swelling of the ankles, swelling of the hands. You know, sometimes if you're using it topically, they use propylene glycol a lot because it's a great solvent. That will end up creating contact dermatitis, sometimes dandruff.

47:20Lauryn Evarts:So it's like, yeah, I know.

47:22William Gaunitz:I mean, there's trade-offs to everything.

47:24Lauryn Evarts:So I get a wig.

47:26William Gaunitz:I mean, but then you got to go and get the wig done, you know, all the rest of the weightlifting

47:31Michael Bosstick:and working out. What are your thoughts on creatine as it relates to hair loss? Is that true? Is it not true? Is it situational?

47:38William Gaunitz:So back in the day, I don't know if you guys, I, when I went to an all guys military school, did a lot of working out, you know, that was back when you did 25 grams to load, 10 grams daily thereafter. Back then, it was more of a problem. Now, obviously, it's more concentrated. It's cleaner. I think it really depends on the person. You need to obviously make sure that you're getting the right nutrients so that the creatine does not interfere with any kidney function or something along those lines. So as long as you're healthy, I think it's fine.

48:08Lauryn Evarts:Someone told me that you have to use creatine from Germany instead of China. Jenna from Agent Natur, she said that it's better to use it from Germany because it's sourced differently.

48:19William Gaunitz:I would agree with that 100%. The Germans have actually a phenomenal standard for making all types of nutritional supplements. It's extremely expensive to manufacture there, and their standards, even to get basically selling in that environment, have to meet all these standards.

48:37Lauryn Evarts:Lib Momentous is from Germany, and I just ordered the creatine,

48:41Michael Bosstick:so use code skinny so there you go but this is a real tangent but i'm glad you brought it up i think creatine gets a bad name because of the way that guys like ourselves used to abuse it back in the day because i was saying same camp you'd be taking like 30 35 grams of creatine a day and you get the bloating and the hair and all that but now like you know because she was asking me listen you're taking five grams of creatine a day like it's yeah it's not going to have an it's cleaner more concentrated now gray hair yeah gray people i can't fix that you can't fix that okay what what is the cause is this genetic i see mine coming in i know and i you know i don't think i can fix it either but what do we what do you do huberman just did an episode he said potentially

49:24William Gaunitz:you can reverse some of it yeah so there you definitely can reverse some of it in there's these little pockets of melanin stem cells right at the bulge of the hair follicle when those get reduce and they start to just withdraw, then if you do something, copper peptides are a great one. So you can do it systemically. You can do it topically. That will help, you know, moderately reverse it. Demodex follicular, I'm the little tiny parasite will actually feed off of that stem cell bulge and will minimize the amount of stem cells being pushed into the basically the melanin. And that itself can be minimized by killing the demodex and having good scalp hygiene.

50:04William Gaunitz:So I'd say scalp hygiene, copper peptides, those are the only things that I actually see work.

50:10Michael Bosstick:Why do some people gray earlier than others?

50:12William Gaunitz:Stress. Stress. And genetics. Yeah, again, I have an underlying condition. I ended up having a variety of health issues in the last like 18 months. My hair probably doubled in gray because of it. But, you know, you earn your gray sometimes.

50:31Lauryn Evarts:Postpartum. Yes. Talk to us about postpartum hair loss and what we can do to combat it.

50:38William Gaunitz:So I have helped many, many women with postpartum hair loss. You want to go into basically being pregnant and making sure that you have all of the right nutrients scientifically with blood work. Make sure that you have the five key nutrients in your blood very, very abundant.

50:58Lauryn Evarts:Which are?

50:59William Gaunitz:Which are, so zinc, vitamin D3, ferritin, folate, B12. You want to have the proper levels. So my app, actually, you can take a picture of your blood tests and it will tell you if your levels are proper or not. What do you get ferritin? So ferritin is your iron storage protein. Okay, okay. So if you, again, I mean, even if I have a lot of women who are postmenopausal or perimenopausal and their menstruation is off, they're having more frequent cycles, they're losing more blood and they're doing a lot of working out. So your body's breaking down your muscular tissue. It needs more iron. Plus you're losing more blood.

51:34William Gaunitz:Your ferritin depletes. Young women who are basically limiting animal protein and they are having a period for the first time, they are going to lose hair. So if you have young women who are losing hair, it's most likely due to ferritin. So you want to make sure that nutrient's good. You have to protect yourself from the telogen effluvium shed that happens immediately following childbirth. Your body just grew a human, right? Like, I mean, this is a crazy task to undergo. And then as soon as you have this baby, your hormones shift within days. So you have to minimize that. You can protect yourself topically.

52:13William Gaunitz:You can use something like a black cohosh tincture topically, which will help mask the estrogen receptors. Obviously, you don't want to handle your child immediately after handling the liquid, but that can help prevent that. But also making sure your D3 and ferritin are extremely important because your body is nutrient deficient after giving birth and growing a human.

52:35Lauryn Evarts:You keep saying ferritin. Why are you calling iron ferritin? What is...

52:38William Gaunitz:It's the store. Yeah, iron storage protein. So there's serum iron. So that's the iron floating around in your blood that's basically like building tissue, right? It's building hemoglobin. The ferritin is your iron reserves. So it's a little protein that basically activates when your iron gets low. Your body knows when your ferritin is getting low and it will start going, I don't have enough serum iron or enough savings to pay my bills. So I'm going to start decreasing my spending. The easy way to do that is by not obviously making a ton of hair.

53:12Lauryn Evarts:Is there a brand that you like or do you just not, do you not have a specific brand?

53:17William Gaunitz:There's a product called Derma Iron. So Derma Iron specifically formulated for this particular situation. It has marine collagen in it. It also has ferrous by glycanate. And this is a highly absorbable form of iron that is not going to leave you constipated.

53:31Lauryn Evarts:And what about, that's what's annoying about it. What about the DHA? You keep saying. DHT. DHT?

53:38William Gaunitz:DHT, yes.

53:39Lauryn Evarts:And what's that brand?

53:40William Gaunitz:So DHT, again, Advanced Trichology. There's two forms of this. There's one that's more of a DHT blocker with immune support. And then there's a DHT blocker maximum strength, which is a single soft gel, a lot of clinical backing. That's what you do to just minimize the DHT conversion.

53:55Lauryn Evarts:But is there a brand that you like?

53:57William Gaunitz:Advanced Trichology.

53:58Lauryn Evarts:So it's your brand?

53:59William Gaunitz:It's my brand. Oh. The reason I do what I do is I spent 17 years literally across the desk from somebody helping them grow hair back, watching their hair grow under the microscope every six weeks with thousands and thousands of people. A-list celebrities that we see all the time, I've worked with them to help get their hair back because no one was able to fix this. And I had to develop new products to support holes in the marketplace that just didn't have products to fill.

54:27Lauryn Evarts:Okay. So if someone's listening and all they want to do is grow more hair and fix their scalp, what are the three things that you suggest that they do right now today?

54:39William Gaunitz:If they genetically have been the same and there's essentially no change in their hair from when they went through puberty to now, low-level laser therapy, just a little bit, 10 minutes once a week would be great. No more than 80 diodes. Using a little bit of a peptide shampoo, so like the Hairstem peptide shampoo, that's going to be supportive and that will help most people who have no underlying condition. but if there is some reduction in overall volume, get your blood tests. Go ahead and get your vitamin D3 tested and your ferritin at the very least. And if you have any gut issues, constipation, diarrhea, acid reflux, you need to probably get on some probiotics and you need to probably treat that.

55:23Lauryn Evarts:Wow, I learned a lot in this episode. Where can everyone find you to work with you and to say hello?

55:32William Gaunitz:I'm all over YouTube and Instagram, So William Gonnett's Trichologist, that handle, you can find me pretty much anywhere. I have a podcast. So The Trichologist podcast, which also has a website where you can go to thetrichologist.com. I can do your consultation. But obviously my brand is Advanced Trichology Products.

55:51Lauryn Evarts:Thank you, William.