Things People Say in a Bull Market

12 Aug 2025 · 1 h 6 min

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Episode Description In this episode, the hosts delve into the unique sentiments and expressions that arise during bull markets, particularly in light of the S&P 500 hitting new record highs. They discuss various market indicators, earnings reports, inflation data, and the implications of recent economic trends.

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Key Discussion Points

  1. Bull Market Sentiments
  2. Current Market Context: The S&P 500 is approaching 6,400, marking a new record.
  3. Common Expressions: The hosts explore phrases that people typically use to justify or navigate their investment decisions in a bull market.
  1. Earnings Season Insights
  2. Earnings Growth: Blended earnings for 452 S&P 500 companies grew by 10.5% year-over-year, significantly surpassing initial estimates of 2.8%.
  3. Sector Performance:
  4. Strong Performers: Consumer services, technology, and financial sectors reported the highest growth rates.
  5. Weak Performers: Energy, materials, and staples saw lower performance.
  6. Analyst Reactions: The hosts note the surprising nature of these earnings, with an 81.2% beat rate across sectors, above the five-year average.
  1. Inflation and Economic Indicators
  2. CPI Trends: The Consumer Price Index rose at an annual rate of 2.7% for July, slightly below the consensus estimate.
  3. Market Impact: Discussion about how inflation and interest rates could influence future market conditions, particularly regarding fixed income investments.
  1. Market Risks and Bear Cases
  2. Defining Risks: The hosts consider various potential pitfalls for the market without relying on traditional valuation metrics.
  3. Sector Vulnerabilities: Companies lowering guidance are facing significant stock price declines, indicating a potential market disconnect.
  1. Investor Psychology and Behavior
  2. K-Shaped Recovery: The discussion highlights how different sectors and companies are experiencing diverging fortunes in the current economic climate.
  3. Investor Sentiment: Insights on how investor fear or euphoria can influence market movements, including the potential for a correction.

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Key Takeaways

  • Earnings Season: A robust earnings season has led to a significant rise in stock prices, with many companies beating expectations.
  • Inflation Awareness: Inflation remains a critical concern; however, its current trajectory seems manageable in the context of consumer spending.
  • Market Sentiment: The prevailing sentiment appears overly bullish, with significant caution advised as indicators suggest narrowing market leadership.
  • Investors' Responses: The behavior of retail investors and their preference for lower-priced stocks remains a notable trend.

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Closing Thoughts The episode concludes with an emphasis on the evolving nature of the market and the importance of remaining vigilant in investment strategies. The hosts advise caution and suggest that while the current environment may seem favorable, historical precedents warn of the need to be prepared for shifts in market dynamics.

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0:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Compound and Friends. Tonight's show is sponsored by FM investments. More on FM in just a moment. Tonight, we're going to get right down to business. We're going into an all new edition of What Are Your Thoughts? It's Michael Batnick and myself. And we're going to talk about things people say in bull markets. Pretty apropos, given that the S &P is knocking on 6 ,400. That's a new record high and all the usual suspects traded higher today, including some areas of the market that have really been held back waiting for rate cuts. And we'll talk about why that's the case right now.

0:37We're also going to look at earnings. We'll do some inflation data. We'll have a make the case. We'll have a mystery chart and all the stuff you guys love. Without any further ado, I send you into the show right now.

0:55Welcome to The Compound and Friends. All opinions expressed by Josh Brown, Michael Batnick, and their castmates are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of Ritholtz Wealth Management. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon for any investment decisions. Clients of Ritholtz Wealth Management may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast.

1:36Well, if you're hearing that sound, our theme song, you already know. It's 5 o 'clock. It's time for an all-new edition on a Tuesday. 5 o 'clock on a Tuesday of What Are Your Thoughts? Those of you tuning in for the first time, my name is Downtown Josh Brown. My co-host is here, as always. And his name is Mr. Michael Batnick. Michael, say hello. Hello, everybody. All right. The chat is pumping. I don't know if you've been taking a look, but we've got all the pounders are here. I got someone named Mike Bloomberg saying Batnik's biggest fan here. Would love to see it. I think I'm Batnik's biggest fan, to be honest with you, Mike.

2:16I have to tell you the truth. And then he says Queens College represent. All right. That is true. I'm an alumni. Yeah. Let's see. Craig in the house said I actually blocked my calendar so I could join the live version for once. Craig, we appreciate that, bro. Ledge says who's ready to get pounded? I know I am. For those of you wondering about my location, those of you watching in the live, I am in a college apartment across the street from University of Miami where I have spent the last eight hours setting my kid up for her sophomore year. So that's what's going on with me. We're going to talk about all of the biggest topics on the street and the markets today.

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4:29Go to ritholtzwealth.com to get in touch. Okay. So we're basically done with earnings season other than the biggest, most important company still waiting to report. But we are 90 % through. we've had 452 S &P 500 companies report so far. The blended earnings. So this is where we take the actual already reported for the S &P 500 grew at, we take the actual, we add the estimates of who's left, but there's not much left. Grew at 10.5 % year over year. That is 770 basis points above estimates at the beginning of the season. Wow. 81.2 % beat rate, which is better than the five-year average of 77%. And now if you just look at the actuals, so take out the estimates, 452 companies reported grew 8.1 % year over year.

5:29Eight of 11, this is all thanks to ChartKid Matt of Exhibit A, eight of 11 sectors posted the year over year increase in blended profits. The highest growth rates you can probably guess, comp services, tech, and financials. The lowest were energy materials and staples. You probably could have guessed that too. 11 out of 11 sectors, Mike, have beaten beginning of season growth estimates. So of the sectors that have beat estimates, the average beat rate is 6.7. I'll do chart kit Matt's big takeaways, and I know you have some images for us. the analysts were looking for a 2.8 % year-over-year increase in profits this quarter, which would have been pretty weak relative to recent prior quarters.

6:17Now it's looking more like 10.5 % again. So it's a huge surprise. And according to Matt, that's the largest beat rate in all of the data we have access to back to 2013 outside of the weird COVID-19 period. So it's not just a good earnings season. On most metrics, it's a way better earnings season than most of us would have, obviously, than the consensus expected. But it's a great earnings season, it turns out. Yeah, here we go. Look at this. So why are stocks rallying? Look no further. I mean, literally, figuratively, metaphorically, look no further. This is it. This is it. I like that. I like in this visual how we're pulling out the pandemic because it was so bizarre.

7:06And how does anyone estimate earnings during a government-mandated shutdown? It's kind of stupid. Yeah. So I do like that. But then just look at the progression of the last four quarters. I am. Of course stocks are at record highs if that's the progression. So I think the big takeaway here is we are hearing about headwinds, quote unquote, from CFOs and CEOs related to tariffs. But the companies that are struggling the most with them just aren't that consequential. And even the companies that are struggling with them are still finding ways to beat. So either the tariffs have worked their way into the estimates to the degree where companies could just leap over them or they weren't that big of a factor to begin with.

7:57And I don't know. What do you think is the answer to that puzzle? I think we're still working through it. It's too early to tell. It really is. Keep hearing that though. So when? So next quarter? Yeah. I mean, the cans keep getting kicked. we really haven't seen exactly where it's going to settle out. But this is... Stop ringing. I was talking about this with Ben today. We talk all about the K-shaped economy, particularly through the lens of the consumer. It really is in the stock market more than any place else, or as much as it's in the real economy. There are obviously winners that we can't and won't stop talking about.

8:34And there's a lot of losers. And companies that are lowering guidance or are missing are getting demolished. So Bespoke tweeted, stocks that have lowered guidance this earnings season have averaged a one-day drop of 10%. That's the worst performance we've seen for stocks lowering guidance since at least 2001. And there's not like a few of them. There's a lot of them. So yes, the index is at an all-time high. Put that back up. Why are they lowering guidance? Would you say it's like 90 % of the company's lowering guidance, it's in some way related to tariffs? A lot of it - Not necessarily. A lot of the ones that are getting killed are Office Adjacent, Kava this afternoon, Sweet Green.

9:15Okay. A lot of it is AI shit, Trade Desk being one of them. I know that's also like an Amazon story, just the ad build-out platform. There's this one company, Chegg, which is an education platform. In China. They had a$15 billion market cap. It's now$100 million. Yeah. Google search is wreaking havoc. The switch to Gemini is killing a lot of companies. So there's all sorts of reasons, but those are the two big ones. Yeah. You know what? It's a really good point. I've been reading about companies that are struggling with this AI changeover, and TradeDesk is one of those. So TradeDesk has it on both ends.

9:57Number one, Amazon is coming to their market. And the CEO is like, no, actually, we think Amazon is going to be a great partner. LOL, dude. I saw that too. Amazon has lots of great partnerships. Sure. But then the other thing that's happening is like a lot of the behavior of how consumers even encounter ads, to your point, like it's just – it's shifting now that we are going – utilizing Gemini results rather than scrolling lower on the page to actual blue links. And of course, all the searches that aren't happening at Google to begin with and are starting on ChatGPT, which is now the way that I'm operating.

10:36So one more thing on earnings. We've got – if you listen to what the companies are saying, they have no reason to not tell the truth for the most part. They are trying to give guidance that is reasonable. If they don't, investors won't trust them. Their stocks will get killed. So they tell you what it is. And all of the financial companies from SoFi all the way up to MasterCard and American Express and Ally and everyone in between, they're all saying the same thing. They're not seeing a slowdown. They're just not. We see it in the headlines and from the publications. Everybody's stress, anxiety everywhere.

11:13People are still spending, obviously, to varying degrees, as it always is the case. But we're going to hear from retailers this week or maybe next week. We've got Walmart and Target. We haven't heard from them yet. And then, of course, we've got the big one. We've got NVIDIA, which, by the way. When I said 90 % of earnings season is in, I wasn't thinking about the fact that we still have, forget about NVIDIA, not hearing from Target and Walmart means earnings season is nowhere near. Yeah, we got the big retailers. Maybe that's why you made a f***ed up face at me. You're right, though. No, I'm wrong.

11:43I'm wrong. You're right. So there are a lot of cross currents, a lot of narratives, and a lot of them are valid. A lot of people are saying a lot of different things, and it's hard to get to the bottom of what's happening. Okay. 3 % screaming hot rally for Russell today. I think I know why. CPI came in. Some people are saying on target. Some people are saying tamer than expected. We have some insight from Callie Cox at Ritholtz Wealth. Let's do the headline, and then I'll just relay her comments, and then I want to get your reaction. The consumer price index rose at an annual rate of 2.7 % for July.

12:25The consensus estimate was 2.8%. So that's always good. CPI rose 0.2 % in July compared with June, the month over month, and that was in line. Goods and services inflation rose year over year for a second straight month. Services inflation is inching higher. goods inflation is screaming higher. Again, this is coming from Callie. Callie says goods inflation heat is concentrated in tariff-affected products like household furnishings, apparel, and newer used vehicles. I think we knew that that would be the case. Services inflation, which is 60 % of CPI, is stalling from heavier than expected increases in most items outside of rent.

13:15I think she means stalling from falling faster. She says, sure, inflation can complicate decisions in this moment, but the chances of a price-led crisis pale in the face of job market woes. And let's put this chart up. So the dotted line is core CPI. The yellow is core goods taking out food and energy. The blue line is core services. I don't know. What strikes you as interesting in this chart? For me, the obvious one is the yellow line. But what do you think? Yeah, I mean, the yellow line, that's where your eyeballs go. But then also, core services may be bottoming out. And hopefully, it's not heading too much higher.

13:57It looks like it wants to turn up. But who the hell knows? You can see a lot of head fakes in the history. And this goes back. This chart's going back 10 years. You can see that there have been head fakes all the time. I don't know if it's very noisy compared to other economic data points, but I know it's at least noise adjacent. Yeah. All right. Let's put this next one up. Here's core inflation. And look, I think when you look at the center shelter, this was one of the, quote unquote, the stickier parts of inflation that we were most concerned with for the entirety of the 2021, 2022, 2023 period.

14:39But you can see that's like a staircase down. And I don't know if it's bottomed, but I'm just saying it's significantly better. Yeah, but the rate of change doesn't even matter anymore. The damage has been done. so much damage okay core goods on the right looks concerning i i mean i don't i don't think you have to predict like a that's tariff spike the blue line right the blue line you're talking about yeah it's tariffs yeah of course okay and then and uh the green is i don't know how to read that that one that one's sort of sloppy um i wanted to ask you okay so you have july cpi we're 90 through through uh earning season and i understand we don't have the two biggest retailers and we We don't have NVIDIA, which is a lot of market cap.

15:23But given the fact that we just did a 10.5 % growth quarter, what is the bear case for stocks right now? And you can't answer valuation because that's not a catalyst. Valuation will matter if something bad happens. But what's the something bad? What do you think it is right now if you had to name the big obvious bear case? All right. The big obvious bear case is there's a bubble in hyperscaler capex spending. But nobody doesn't know that, okay? Like, we heard from - No, there are people that think it's not a bubble. There are people that - No, you asked me what the obvious bear case, and that's it.

16:02Now, we heard from all of the Mag 7 except for NVIDIA. NVIDIA is not going to surprise. I'd be very surprised just based on what everybody else said. Like, we know what they're spending. We already saw it. Why do you think NVIDIA is rallying? We heard from their biggest customers. We know what's going to happen. So outside of the usual, you're right, valuation is not a catalyst. who've been having this discussion for eight years already at this point, maybe longer than that. I think this is a lame answer, but real risk, like actual risk, it's what you never see coming, right? So whatever we're discussing for the most part, inflation, tariffs, this, that, the market discounts it like that.

16:34So I don't know what's out there on the horizon that's going to surprise us, but it's probably not going to be what we're all talking about every day. One of the things that took place in this earnings season, and maybe I'm just over indexing or maybe it's the recency effect. But like, I really do feel like we have more quote unquote name brand bellwether companies that are really struggling right now on a scale, like some are in really bad shape. Well, last week we did UPS. That was an obvious one. It's a secular decline, whatever. No, I understand. But if you would have said like five years ago, UPS is making 50 tweak lows, I would say that's got really bad read through for the economy.

17:12I don't think anyone's really saying that now. I don't know. I know Intel's been rallying for a couple of days on the heels of the CEO meeting with Trump and the semi-tariffs being made public, what they're going to be. I understand that. But the stock is still at multi-year lows. We talked about – you and I talked about Chipotle. Like these are not insubstantial companies that I do think are meaningful. I guess just nobody really cares so long as the AI CapEx spend continues and the consumer doesn't tap out. I don't know. It just feels like a really weird time. So if you say what's the bear case versus like what is the less bullish case, those are different things.

17:57Well, companies – a lot of companies – a lot of bellwether companies, not bellwether for the S &P 500 by market cap but bellwether for the economy. me, a lot of them struggling all at once, I think would be part of my bear case. But I agree with you. The big one is one of the hyperscalers pulls back and then it's like Wile E. Coyote off the cliff and finally looks down. Yeah. I agree with you. That's it. If you're bearish, that's what you think is going to happen or want to have happen. In the short term, we do have a bear case coming up later in the show. Everybody is, I don't know, everybody.

18:33People are bullish. There is obviously a feeling of euphoria in the air. You need the wall of wire to climb, which we already did it with the earnings. But you're still seeing. So Schwab publishes their S-Tax report, which we have later in the show. And that's an$11 trillion asset manager. It's the biggest in the world. Their second biggest. And those people, that cohort of investors is still kind of nervous, which makes me think like maybe another - What is that cohort of investors? Is that like boomers mostly? I would say over 40. That cohort is not – I think there's a K-shaped investor base as well.

19:08You have the younger people that are flocking to the crypto treasury companies, to the meme stocks, to the high flyers of the world. And then you have the people that are over 40 that are like, this doesn't make sense. And they're not all jazzed up. So the live chat is lit up right now with Kava stuff. I know that was a popular momentum trade. Kava is doing what Sweetgreen already did. That's an office story. So the story there, and I think Chipotle in part, the story not to the same extent, but like Kava's are located in midtown locations where young men and women wear button-down shirts and blouses, occasionally vests, and eat a$17 bowl of shit that they pre-order on the app and walk there and pick it up.

19:55It's pretty good. Yeah, I know. Everyone says that. I have no comment. But like these companies are significantly – these companies are significantly in need of five-day-a-week. Like that's what they were built for and they're never going to get it again. They don't have it now. But Sweetgreen already – I mean that stock looks like somebody shot it in the head. Now Kava I guess will look somewhat similar. Those are not economic bellwethers. like those are to me we should not look at we should not look at that and say uh-oh the consumer is in trouble because door dash which we're going to talk about later in the show is saying the opposite you know best tea in the chat safe to say josh's short salads in size

20:48all right um i want to read you something about barry bannister do you know him i don't we invited him on the show he blew us off he's good though barry is like a chief uh strategist or chief economist for um stiefel and um see british is no not british uh but he's warning in a note uh this morning so let me read this this is uh i guess it's probably cnbc.com i'm quoting um barry bannister wrote in a monday note that an economic slowdown could be in the cards that in turn can mean bad news for stocks. As, quote, as markets charge to all-time highs with very extended valuations, we are left to wonder what can break up the party like it's 1999 atmosphere.

21:33The lesson of history is that it's usually a sudden economic slowdown, which is what we forecast for the second half of 2025. Bannister said to expect stagflation, which is marked by high inflation and unemployment as well as stagnant economic growth. this type of environment is already slowing areas of consumer spending, though the artificial intelligence CapEx build out and tariff pre-buying have helped mask problems. They say they're uncomfortable with the S &P being more than 30 % off its intraday low on April 7th as the economy slows to a crawl. Quote, valuation doesn't matter until it does.

22:13True. 1929, 1999, 2021. but then here's the problem I'm with them on all of that I'm totally with them not that I think they're going to be right I just agree with the premise yeah it's all sensible okay here's the problem their downside target is 14 % from the recent high oh so who cares 5 ,500 we're at 6 ,400 BFD and that would be a 6.5 % year to date decrease from where we started so that's one it's low relative to all of their competitors but like come on yeah but this is worse this is the last quote i'm gonna read quote hopium is a powerful drug but we abstain by recommending investors overweight defensive value which is staples healthcare utilities quality he lost you in front of a sudden likely q3 2025 a few months in advance of the late 2025 gdp s &p 500 correction If you say the word hopium, I'm taking 20 % off your score as a strategist.

23:21What is that shit? It's just childish. People from the 80s say that. It's a portmanteau of hope and opium as if everyone who's long is on drugs. Yeah, everyone's dumb. But wait a minute. It's not hope. Come on, Barry. We're just talking about the earnings are at all-time highs. Earnings expectations are at all-time highs. Beats are at all-time highs. Now, it's hoping that by paying 22 times for the S &P or 30 times for the MAG-7 on average, it's hoping that there's still upside or that we haven't fully priced in AI. I understand the premise, and I'm not even saying that they'll be wrong with that call.

24:00But when you start talking like you're on Twitter or like you're subscribing to too many Malden contributors, that's when I get off. But I think we would agree. People are obviously pricing in a lot here. They just are. Yes, but with good reason. Pro-business president, pro-business Congress, tax cut extension, rates coming down, AI CapEx cycle, probably not in the ninth inning. There was a reason. It's not opium. Did you participate, next topic? Did you give John two topics or no? Two things that people say in the bull market? give anything to John. I have it in my head. I didn't know I was supposed to give it to John.

24:41Okay. All right. I'll go first then. All right. I have a feeling we, so I picked two things. Oh, Mike, I'm so sorry. What? We had other stuff to do here though. All right. Let me just do this really quickly and then we'll move on. I'm sure this is very important. Go ahead. All right. We mentioned the trade desk and I said we'd get to it. That's why I just want to get to this, put this up. They cited ad spending limited due to tariffs and macro uncertainty. They're still growing like 19%, but the multiple here was so high. I want people to understand even high growth companies, if they start blaming tariffs for a downshift in their growth expectation, it's lights out.

25:29This literally could happen to any company. There's other stuff going on with Trade Desk, but I don't know. I feel like that's a key stock because of how embedded they are in the advertising market. Here's Lilly. We know what's going on here. Tons of competition for the drugs and probably sky-high expectations. But dude, do you know how much in dollars this company has lost in market cap. It's hundreds of billions of dollars. Yeah. And this was a bellwether stock too for the healthcare sector. I think it was the biggest pharma stock by market cap. Shopify went the other way. It's an earnings reaction.

26:12Anyway, I asked Sean, like what were some of the more notable earnings reactions in the companies that we talk about? And these were them. I just wanted to show that part. All right. You know what? You go first. Why don't you start? So the topic is this. I asked Josh to bring two things that people say in a bull market to convince themselves that it's whatever. I was about to give away a thing that I was about to say, but why don't you go? You start first. All right. So these are both Livermore.

26:44These are the things that – these are the quotes that people trot out. And it's so funny because I can find diametrically opposed Livermore quotes that say the exact opposite for when people are talking about selling and getting out of bull markets. But here are the ones that they trot out. This is one of my favorite, actually. These are my two favorite. Quote, after spending many years in Wall Street. By the way, back then they said in Wall Street, which is very British. and after making and losing millions of dollars, I want to tell you this. It was never my thinking that made the big money for me.

27:25It was always my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight. Have you heard that one before during a bull market? And he definitely said that in a bull market, obviously. Oh, for sure. He did not say that in 1931. No way. He probably said that in like 27 or 28. All right. Here's the other one. Also Livermore. Quote, Men who can be both right and sit tight are uncommon. I found it one of the hardest things to learn. So this is, to me, the most emblematic. When people start quoting the Jesse Livermore index fund quotes, sit tight, do nothing, buy and hold. That's really when, and I don't know, anecdotally, because I'm not really on social media that much and there's no blogs anymore.

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28:12Are people using this stuff or not as much? You took the assignment more literally, but those are two very good ones. So what I meant was, are people trotting out Livermore quotes? I don't think so. I don't think so. Not yet. You quote Livermore in a bull market. I mean, in a bear market, I feel like. No, people, this is what I see people do when we're like in the eighth inning of a bull market. To just like tell each other, like, sit tight, sit tight. All right. So, John, I brought some, I gave some stuff to John. John, what did I do? There we go. All right. We're still so early. is AI. This is AI.

28:47Okay. All right. I was going to say these guys don't exist. Oh, they do. This is very much something that you hear people say in the bull market. And I brought an actual IRL example. So the transcript pulled out a quote from Jassy last week. I say this frequently, but remember that 85 to 90 % of a worldwide IT spend is still on premises versus in the cloud. In the next 10 to 15 years, that equation is going to flip, further accelerated by companies' excitement for leveraging AI. So to that end, you could - Is that true? That's pretty wild, right? Holy shit, you know how bullish that makes me? So here's the thing though.

29:28Here's the thing about the two things that I'm bringing for things that people say in a bull market that sound like bullshit after the fact. They're not always wrong. They're not always wrong. I agree. Bitcoin's a really great example. I was about to say Bitcoin. People were saying like two years ago, we're still early. And you're like at 60 ,000. And it turns out we were. And it turns out we were. People were saying that at 17 ,000. But then it fell to 4 ,000 on its way to 120. So like, yeah, people say it's still early. They might be right. They also might look stupid in the short term for saying it.

30:03Which is why you have to sit on your hands or whatever Lumar said. All right, next one.

30:09Okay. Jesus Christ. People say it's different this time. Wait, give the listeners the quote. Sir John Templeton. So I have Sir John Templeton saying the four most dangerous words in investing are, quote, it's different this time. However, it really was different this time. John, throw my tweet up, please. This is from 2017. This is a long time ago. This is thousands of S &P points ago. Oh, this is such a killer. I remember this. This is so – because – so you're saying the 12 most dangerous words in investing are, quote, the four most dangerous words in investing are. It's different this time. So what I meant by that was people – there are a lot of really, really intelligent investors who are experts of an earlier world.

30:58And they think that history has to rhyme. They remember the dot-com bubble bursting. They remember all the lessons of previous bear markets, but that was 2017. And this time was so different because the driving forces of this bull market are unlike any leadership group that we have ever seen previously. So John, if you would, what did I, I pulled some stuff from Balchunas. All right. So Balchunas did this thing this week where he showed that the mag seven companies have made like 890 acquisitions or whatever it was. There it is, 846. So some notable acquisitions. These are just the ones that the regulators said yes to.

31:44So I think people forget that Amazon owns Whole Foods and it owns MGM and Google owns YouTube and Microsoft owns Activision and LinkedIn and Meta owns Instagram. I mean, obviously we know that and on and on. And then we've got one more. so he breaks down that each mag seven stock is in multiple themes whether it's sports AI or frontier technology metaverse autonomous vehicles you know it's not even on here media like media Apple is now a media company Amazon is a media company and so Eric says this is like this so long ago too yeah dude this is like the mag we call the mag seven there's like 800 companies in here.

32:26And so, chart off, for people that were astutely observing, everybody doesn't understand. You're looking at the wrong metrics. You don't understand the story. We had expanding profit margins. We have never seen anything like this before. It absolutely was different this time. I have a sizzling hot take on this top. We've been saying this for so long that you're acting like these are companies in this monoline business like they sell oil or they or they make light bulbs to try to compare these companies to companies in the past come on they don't respect horizontal boundaries forget about the fact they've built these vertical monopolies in many cases like they they also don't respect the borders from one industry to another amazon wants to get into prescription drugs, what the f*** are you going to do about it?

33:20You can sue them. You can lobby against them. But in the end, they're going to get there. How about telling somebody 10 years ago that Amazon was going to show the Christmas NFL game? It would be like, wait, on what? How? Yeah. Yeah. Right. On a Fire phone, they would have left. Right. So these companies don't respect boundaries. They really don't care. They go wherever they want to go, wherever they think the consumer wants them to be. They'll make an acquisition or they'll build from scratch. They have the cash flow to enable a lot of experimentation. And it doesn't always work. But when it does, your whole valuation model throw it in the garbage because you're missing the fact that they're eating into another multi-trillion dollar TAM and taking no prisoners as they do it.

34:03And we have been saying this, you and I, for a really long time about why it is different. And for the people that, nope, it's not different. But my sizzling hot take is that one of the people that have missed out over the last 15 years or were pounding the table, underweight, or US stocks will have low returns, what are they all have in common? They're all from fixed income. They don't know shit. Not one of them listens to conference calls with Jeff Bezos or Sundar Pichai. They're not stock guys. They're all bond guys talking global macro, doing global macro slides. Or value investors. All value investors.

34:46They're value investors too. But the people that I'm subtweeting right now and thinking of specifically, they're fixed income guys. They don't know what these companies do. I'm sure they know the rating on their paper. but like they're not like thinking about the way that they were shifting into the cloud and now the way that they're building an AI. They don't care about that. They're bond people whose job it is to argue against stock allocations so that they can get more into fixed income. And for me, those are the people that have missed the moment. When I say moment, I think it's going back to like 2010 or 2011 at this point.

35:27But they're fixed income guys. It's really that simple if you ask me. All right. So let's move on to the next topic, which ironically is things that people say in a bull market close to the top. So why don't you please continue the thread, Josh? Wait. What do you mean things that people say? Like you're about to say like small caps don't matter ever. They're dead forever. Well, yeah. They are dead forever. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I understand that they can rally. but like, do you think there's going to be a 10-year period where small caps outperform large caps? Yes. Then you have to think that it's because of the value effect and you have to think we're going to have a lost decade.

36:05There's no other possible way that that could take place. Well, that's not true because anything can happen. It is true. No, no, no. That is the only explanation? Show me a 10-year period of small cap outperformance that didn't include a lost decade for large caps. It only ever happens coming out of a massive stock market bubble where the large caps are just destroyed for two or three years and small cap value catches a bid. But think about it. I'm talking about a 10-year period of outperformance. You're telling me a collection of small cap companies over 10 years is going to outperform cloud computing mega caps, maybe, but only if it's a lost decade.

36:49Well, I didn't say that they're going to. I said they can. And I think that at some point they probably will. I think you get like six to eight week rallies for small caps relative to large caps and then it reverses. Okay, so go ahead. I mean, this is, look, this is my recency bias talking, but I'm just telling you over the last 25 years, the only example of a sustained period of small cap outperformance coincided with the bursting of the dot-com bubble combined with the financial crisis. So really unique. We should not study the decade 2000 to 2009 like it contains any kind of information for us about small cap outperformance in the future.

37:30Yeah, I agree with that. All right. Look, I think today was a great day for people that have this kind of small cap overweight or lean in their portfolios. and I'm looking at you, dimensional fund people. I think it's great. I think it's healthy. We want to see these stocks rally. Garrett Baldwin wrote about this over the weekend. I don't think he was not saying the Russell couldn't have a big day rallying, but I just thought it was interesting. Up until today, we don't know what the flows will be this year. Garrett says, turn your attention to where the money isn't crowding. It is not flowing to the Russell 2000.

38:13Small caps have seen an$80 billion exodus this year. That's the biggest exit of all time. I didn't know that. The Russell's momentum has turned negative and is signaling further pressure on the horizon. Well, not today, but okay, we get it. Look at this chart. This could be the greatest contrarian signal ever to get overweight small caps. What do you think? So I was – a small cast would be my make the case today. And then I saw this topic and I saw the rally tonight. I thought that was too cute. But I'm still going to make the case. I'm still going to make the case. I think that they are a screaming buy if we are going to get recuts, which is what the market is pricing in, which is why I think you're seeing the move that you're seeing today.

39:01um so why have they lost 80 billion dollars uh in in fund flows this year negative 80 billion so gareth's answer is in a world of infinite money printing and mega cap dominance who needs small companies um you could buy nvidia or microwave microwave microsoft and ride the ai wave why mess around with a regional bank in ohio so i do think that's the mentality out there Things people say at the top or in the bull market. Yeah. Why buy any of the 30-plus energy producers on the Russell trading for less than their book value? The money is flowing where the Federal Reserve liquidity goes. Big tech, big pharma, big everything.

39:40Small caps represent the real economy. But in our financialized casino, the real economy is so 2019. So he's making the case for why small caps, if you're a serious investor, would be bought here. It sounds like that's the case that he's making. Wait, maybe inadvertently. Or is he being sarcastic? I can't tell. What do you mean? No, I think he's like sarcastically talking about the people who pulled out$80 billion from small caps. Oh, so he's saying this ironically. Yeah, he's with you. He's on your side of this. Oh, OK, OK, OK. I couldn't tell if he was earnest or not. Now, he's also pointing out insider buying is drying up.

40:19And I thought this one was interesting, too. We did this last week. Yeah, so Garrett pays close attention to this stuff. Put this chart up. I think it's a Bloomberg chart. Only 151 S &P 500 companies had insider buying last month. That is the lowest rate since 2018. The insiders know these markets are costly. Corporate executives are dumping stock like it's radioactive waste. When insiders won't even touch their stocks at current prices, that's your canary in the coal mine. All right, so I have a little bit of a different take from Garrett on this. I wonder if you agree with me or with him. I don't think that they think their shares are a waste.

41:00What I actually think is like this is endemic to any like prolonged bull market. People have massive, massive gains in their corporate stock-based compensation. Yeah, no shit. This chart tells you nothing. Of course they're selling. Stocks are up 30 % in 10 weeks. Why would they be buying here? What? It would be pretty stupid for them to be buying. It would make no sense. Right. And they were getting issued stock every year. Yeah. So that chart is not a marvelous. That chart is exactly what you would think. So I would – right. I would not expect to see a huge wave of insider buying after a three-year almost straight-up bull market.

41:40You saw the CEO of HIMSS. I just wouldn't expect it. The CEO of him has just dumped the largest position of his personal portfolio in the history of that company. Is that still a meme stock? Is that still doing its weird shit? I don't have it on my screen. Stocks have gone straight up since April. Yeah, they should be selling. All right, let's look at this. Large cap versus small cap. What's going on here? It's a time shift? So on the left is a long-term view and the right is zoomed in. Okay. So on the left, you can see this really – I guess it's relative. All right. So the trick is we're using the small cap 600 you hear, not the Russell 2000.

42:27So dude, the small cap 600 outperformed from 06 all the way to 2019. Right. So the reason why I sort of call bullshit, I think you have to use the Russell. The small cap 600 gets rid of all the unprofitable companies. But that's the nature of small caps. Some of them are profitable for three years, unprofitable for two, then profitable again. I think it's like a little bit bullshitty to only use the small cap 600. And they do diverge. They are not the same trade. There's a lot of overlap. But the Russell 2000 to me is the true approximation of what small cap America looks like. and I do not think that it looks as good as small cap 600.

43:12Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't blame anybody for doing it. I understand it. I just, I'm a purist in that way. Let's look at the sector exposure breakdown. What jumps out to you here? So we're looking at the percentage of market cap by sector comparing large cap, mid cap, small cap. Well, I mean, the obvious one is technology stocks. 33 % for large cap, 15 % for small cap. And this is a value growth story. That's all it is. Yeah. So that's what jumped out to me. Both the mid cap and the small cap are 73 % value stocks. The large cap universe is 50-50. That's one of the only things you have to know.

44:02That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. If you can't memorize the sector breakdown, that's okay. You don't have to. If you just need to know one big thing, and this could change over time, of course, but the one big thing you have to know is that small and mid is a de facto bet on, unless you're active stock picking, if you're just allocating on a size basis, you're making a value versus growth bet, period. Hold on. I have to do some hedging trades.

44:29What are you hedging? No, I'm kidding. But I literally am selling some stuff. It's too much already. All right. We could skip the next chart. Let's go to efficiencies. I missed one thing. I missed one thing. So I mentioned earlier, listen, it's a weird market. It really is. So I mentioned this on the show a couple of weeks ago that over at Schwab, investors were dumping NVIDIA like there's no tomorrow. So every month they release their report on what their investors are doing. and they said, NVIDIA set new highs in July. And this time Schwab clients heavily bought shares of the AI giant after eschewing it in May and June.

45:08So in May and June, it was the biggest net seller. And in July, they finally bought it. But even despite flocking into NVIDIA, Schwab clients made Infotech the biggest net sell sector on a dollar basis for Josh, the sixth month in a row, the sixth month in a row. So they said the heaviest net buying – all right, that doesn't matter. With NVIDIA exiting the net sell leadership in July, another mega cap took its place and was by far the stock's most heavily net sold by Schwab clients. Which stock do you think that is? Apple. Bingo. Good talk. Yeah. I mean these are – because I don't think individual investors have strong opinions on the others.

45:53That's it. You're right. You ever meet an individual investor who has a strong opinion on Microsoft? No. They just own it. No, no. So even though there was a lot of craziness with crypto and the treasury companies and the meme stocks and the all-time highs and this and that, there's still a wall of worry in that Schwab clients, which let's be honest, a lot of people are really not buying it. Yeah. It's very bizarre. What could it count for that? So when you say everyone is this, no, they're really not. No, they're really not. Robin investors are very different than Schwab investors. There's a lot of people out there.

46:29It's interesting. All right, go to – let's do this efficiency. So Chartkin Matt has a blog and it's called ChartkinMatt.com. There you go. And he threw up some charts this week that I think are – I love how you named him and he loves it and it's like his whole persona. It's amazing. It's very cute. This kid is the best. So I want to talk about some efficiencies that he highlighted. So$642 ,000, that's the average revenue generated per employee in the S &P 500. $642 ,000 per employee. So it takes 1.55 employees for S &P 500 companies to generate a million dollars in revenue today. 1.55 employees.

47:15In 1991, so adjustment for inflation. In 1991, it took 2.46 employees. to make a million dollars. So they're making a million dollars, again, real - Less people than ever. With almost one full less employee than they were, how many years ago is that? A lot. Yeah. 35 years ago. So it is different this time, it turns out. It is. All right, so chart on. So Matt's got revenue per employee for different sectors in 1991 versus today. And I mean, look at communication services. Oh, this is a killer chart. Look at healthcare. This is some wild shit. Look at real estate. Oh my God. I mean, that's the biggest to me that just at a glance, utilities and real estate and healthcare.

48:01Oh my God, healthcare. So the next one plots it, plots the difference. And Josh, you're right. It's healthcare. I mean, unbelievable. So healthcare has the most growth in revenue per employee since 1991. I guess not surprising. Although maybe I would have picked tech, but healthcare, I guess makes sense too. No, tech is the sector that's enabling all of this. But ironically, they are in the back of the pack. And the reason why is their employees cost so much money. Right? Wouldn't that – isn't that – or I guess we're just talking about bodies. I don't know. And then there's weird stuff like Amazon has a million factory workers.

48:39They're not quite tech workers, and that's a discretionary name anyway. It's not even in tech. I wouldn't even focus on the middle of the distribution. On the left, that's amazing. I think part of this is just the story of how much bigger healthcare has become as an industry and how much money we spend on healthcare. We like the whole world. It's just skyrocketed. So I think that's part of it. It's not just efficiency. It's like certain sectors have just grown so large in terms of what they cost, what the products and services cost. Health care is just enormous for the government, for individual people.

49:18Just the amount of spending probably explains most of that growth. It does. And then lastly, employee growth in the S &P 500. So it was$16.6 million in 1991. We're at$20.5 million today. And this doesn't look great. I got to be honest. Is that all US? Or is it global employees? No. But look, I don't think this gets to$30 million that quickly. Why not? Where else can we go work? Don't you want to work for UPS? Yeah. No, dude, look, it's gone sideways for two, three years. Yeah, but you know what, dude? There's a few exceptions where there were massive corporate layoffs. Like look at 2006, 2007.

50:04But this chart is only going in one direction. this is the rich get richer this is the law of large numbers this is the the relative uh you talk about these mega cap companies taking over all these industries how do you think they're doing that more people they they're they're putting they're putting other companies out of their way and people that work in that industry go work for them or they're acquiring they're They're doing more with the same. Yeah, but this is – I don't know. I think it's destined for 30 and higher. I mean – Yeah, at some point. At some point. All right. I thought this Wall Street Journal piece about all the guys launching these AI hedge funds, this is bubbly to me.

50:54Not like, oh, no, it's going to be this crash, but this is what happens. So now you have this like new category of person that has really successfully been picking stocks in this AI CapEx build out, which let's be honest, hasn't been that hard to do. But fine, they did it. Like, right. So did a lot of other people. But now it's like, yeah. And also I have a fund and look at my year to date performance in like arguably one of the craziest tapes ever for AI tech technologies. and pay me two and 20. And I'm going to keep picking the winners of the AI CapEx. So I saw so much of this in the dot-com era.

51:37I saw so much of this during the brick emerging market, bull market. I saw so much. I've like, I've seen this so many times. And I just want to quote a little bit from the piece and no judgment. Here's the subhead. Billions. Here's the header. Billions photo new hedge funds focused on AI related bets. a 23-year-old former open AI researcher quickly amassed more than$1.5 billion for, quote, brain trust on AI. So now you have guys that are saying like, well, we're based in San Francisco, so we're at the epicenter of this, and we know more than the people in New York. That'll be a popular thing to say.

52:17Now you have people that are like, I worked in AI, so I'll be better at spotting the winners than a hedge fund manager in Connecticut. There probably is truth to that. The downside to that, though, is they're too close. They know way too much about the technology and way too little about what stocks look like through a full cycle. They're so bullish on AI that they're launching an AI strategy. What would it take to get them to come out or to sell or to bet against? In fact, one guy in the article is saying he's betting against companies that are going to be... The hedge is betting against companies that are going to be displaced by AI.

53:00So it's not only an all-in bet on AI theme, which, I mean, just buy the semiconductor ETF and call it a day if that's what you want to do. But now it's like not only are we betting on AI, we're betting on the AI disrupted to the downside. So this is like, I don't know. Don't you feel like this is toward the end when this stuff starts to happen? I do. I mean, how could you not? I mean, listen, this is a cop-out. This shit is really hard to predict, right? At the one hand, on the one hand, we are at the vanguard of a truly, truly technological revolution. And these things - Yeah, with$300 billion startups.

53:44Yeah, well, there's - And that's the other hand. How much do we think is left? Right. No, dude. Preach. I mean, yes. Can I just read this quote? Quote, so one of the guys started a fund called Situational Awareness. Great name. Here's a quote. Quote, we're going to have way more situational awareness, get it, than any of the people who manage money in New York. True. Ashton Brenner told a podcaster last year, quote, we're definitely going to do great on investing. Can you even say that? No, I mean, come on. We're definitely going to do great on investing. Put that on the cover of the offering memorandum.

54:22That's crazy. This kid, though, is up 47 % after fees in the first half of the year. So it's not going to look like that when the NASDAQ has a correction. I think we all agree. I'm sure he would agree. So this is just like, all right, what's the biggest bull market in the world? Awesome. I'm going all in on that. I hope it runs 10 years. I really do. I don't think it will, but I hope it does. And then they talk about some of the This, alright, last thing Then they talk about some of the established Hedge fund guys like Steve Cohen Who Just tasked one of his portfolio managers To start an AI focused hedge fund So the fund is called Turion after AI theorist Alan Turing As in the Turing test They raised like$2 billion for this So he took one of his PMs and set them aside to start a new AI-focused fund.

55:24Here's the thing, guys. After like a three-month bear market, Cohen will be completely out of these stocks. He's not sitting through a negative 40 % drawdown in AI-related stocks if and when it happens. So it's easy to get in, not as easy to get out. I don't know. I think this is like seventh or eighth inning stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that - Not before a crash, but before a huge correction. Okay. It certainly feels like a top should be coming pretty soon. Whether it's the top, I mean, obviously impossible to say. I would not speculate like that because who the f*** knows. But let's do this.

56:07Sentiment trader. The NASDAQ 100 just did something it's never done before. Not in a good way. For the first time since inception, the index closed at a record high. with less than 48 % of its members trading above their 50-day moving average. Over the past 40 years, an average of 76 % were above their 50-day when the index reached a high. So this is telling us what we very much already know, that the leadership is narrowing. But as we've said throughout the years, short off, please. Every time there's been a divergence like this, you've seen the equal weight catch up. and hopefully this time is no different, but I think we need a slap on the wrist.

56:50People are feeling themselves. The VIX is below 14. There is definitely a little bit of throw a wrist to the wayside. We could use slap on the wrist. Look, seasonally, we're getting into September, October. If there's going to be a catch down correction in tech, because you look at the healthcare sector, if the rest of the market looked like that, so all of a sudden, then do the 100 names in the healthcare sector of the Russell 1000 catch up to AI stocks? I mean, not catch up to AI, but Josh, do you also know that the longer this goes into the calendar year, the more people are like, all right, guys, I got to chase.

57:33Yeah, I think we saw it. You know how everything happens faster? I think that's what happened this summer. Still happened right now. I hope we got a pullback. People need to sober up. All right, you're up last. All right. This is a company and a stock that – I don't know if this is the thing I've been most wrong on because there's a long list to choose from. But certainly, this surprised the dickens out of me. Same. Me too. I was never bullish on this. Okay. DoorDash is a$100 billion stock. Try it on, please. My god. So it like 5Xed since 2023 and not because of any other reason than they're delivering.

58:11They just reported a record quarter, 25 % growth, orders, spending, everything's working. Next chart, please. You got the revenue. I mean, just demolishing free cash flow. Credit to them. I just figured that every time – chart off, please. Every time I use DoorDash, I want to punch myself in the dick. I'm just like, it's so expensive. Yeah. But you are so lazy and you're paying it. And that's why that chart looks like what it looks like. So can things be bad when DoorDash's chart is doing that? No. And actually, there's a counter-cyclicality to the DoorDashes and the Uber Eats of the world, which is that if and when the economy finds itself on tough footing, more people need to drive for them.

59:00So in an autonomous era, maybe – I would point out Uber started in 2008. It was like perfect timing. You had millions of people that needed work, part-time work, whatever. So it remains to be seen. The last quarter they reported, oh, you have one more. So I just wanted to sneak this in here. This is really apropos of nothing other than we spoke with a couple of weeks ago. Oh, Adam Parker. He told us he was at an institutional investor conference. And I think it was somebody from Run Mac who was on stage and or maybe at a dinner, whatever the case may be. And they said, like, give us one thing.

59:38Like, what's like the indicator of indicators? And the guy said a low price per share. Yeah. Like, LOL. And it was like, no, no, actually low price per share. So I saw this tweeted the other day by Julian Klimochko. And the Wall Street Journal reported that the 10th of the market with the lowest share price at the start of July. Now, this is a short-term thing, but still, it's just kind of funny. Had a median gain of 16 % by July 23rd when the new meme stocks peaked, while the 10th with the highest price rose only 1.4%. The starting share price was by far the best predictor of performance. And obviously, chart-off, obviously this works when it works and it doesn't work all the time, but this will continue to have moments for the rest of our careers just based on the way that retail trades.

1:00:27Like this will have fits and starts. Yeah, retail loves. dude i i pitched i pitched stock to retail investors for 11 years i prom i promise you there's nothing they like more than a seven dollar stock or a dollar stock and go to three you tell them it could go to 25 yeah yeah there's nothing there's nothing on earth you will get more if you start conversation hi michael it's josh brown i have a stock at seven that i think is worth 25 minimum over the next six months do me a favor grab a pen grab a piece of paper. I want to tell you a little bit about it. And then I'll talk to you about how we're going to make some money.

1:01:03If you do that, if you get a hundred people on the phone and do that, 80 people will listen to you. And I, and I know because now how about a hundred thousand people on the internet all at once? Well, right. You do that shit on Twitter. You do that on Reddit. Same thing, same thing, but now scaled global boiler room, which is, which is my next endeavor. All right. Why don't we jump to make the case and then we'll do the mystery chart and we'll get out of here because we're already out of time. So really and truly, I swear, I was going to just straight up do IWM because they're hated. They've gotten nowhere for years and years and years and years.

1:01:41And we all know rate cuts are coming. Like we all know it. So pile in, pile in people into rate sensitive stocks. So I'm talking small caps. I'm talking home builders. Yeah, I'm with you. and their services. Rocket companies. What did my rate sensitive bet do today? What did Rocket do? Oh, surprise, surprise, up 7%. So Rocket is a stock that both you and I own. I wouldn't sell that. I wouldn't sell that for anything right now. Well, I would. I mean, I'd sell it for 30. Yeah, no, I guess I would sell it for 30. But you couldn't talk me into selling it right now at 18. How about this? I'm not going to do it.

1:02:21So as my handle says, I'm not talking about your 401k. Because for me, I don't care where the stock market goes. I don't care how high it trades. That is buy every two weeks forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Okay? Yeah. And if stocks fall 50 % good, I'll buy more. I mean, I don't really mean that, but you know what I mean. On the good part, I will buy more. But if you're in a brokerage account and you were fortunate enough to pick up some stocks in April and May, and you're like, you're really feeling yourself right now, like, oh my God, just like sell. What's the next? Well, yeah, what's the next stock?

1:02:49You don't need the next stock. You don't need the next stock. And in fact, you might need some less. so just sell a little bit of something anything tomorrow just sell a little bit of something light it up all right all right but you're making the case for rate sensitive stocks simultaneously yeah i don't hate it yeah buy and sell mister mystery chart all right this immediate company it's one of the worst stocks in the market the opposite of uh what i tend to talk about i'm getting interested in it though as a falling knife okay i'm showing you here this is 40 years of garbage. One other clue, it's a family-run media company, which is possibly the worst kind.

1:03:27What is it? It's Paramount. Look at you. You're so good at this, dude. So this used to be Viacom. It's now called Paramount Skydance. The merger, Larry Ellison's kid bought it and put this whole new board in charge of it. It kicked out all these losers from CBS and And they paid a bribe to the Trump administration to get it to close. They gave him a check for$16 million for interviewing Kamala Harris and editing the clips or whatever. But that's all in the past. Now – so like Barron's has a piece about like it's a clean slate. Like don't worry about where the stock came from. Now you have all these hitters involved.

1:04:11Ellison's got literally limited – unlimited dollars. They're worth hundreds of billions of dollars to father and son. Why not? Why not Paramount? I looked at this stock a couple of weeks ago as a potential buy. They just paid$7 billion for the rights to all of UFC. UFC will not be broken up amongst five different networks like the NFL. It's a huge deal. All of it. All of it on Paramount. No pay-per-view. It's a big deal. So now if you're a young man in this country, right? You're between the ages of 16 and 35. What are the things you like on TV? You probably like these Taylor Sheridan shows with the Cowboys and the hot girls.

1:04:52Love them. And you love UFC. This is Netflix for young men. I think they nailed it. They're getting this cultural shift, right? Like in the culture where like it's okay to be like a young male who likes to punch people and appreciates good-looking girls. Like that's like the whole culture shift now. They're investing directly into that. Ellison's friends with Trump. like I just that CBS stuff that they were doing with like the constant investigation like they're gonna stop that I don't think that's helping them at all revenue wise and they're gonna double down on things like UFC I like it I like it so I'm taking a look it's not my type of thing but anyway good job on the on the guests alright guys I want to close the show by saying thank you to everyone who joined us for the live we appreciate it tomorrow's Wednesday all new edition of Animal Spirits we'll do Ask the Compound and we'll do an all new edition later this week of The Compound and Friends and that'll be a surprise episode for some of you guys I'm looking forward to it alright that's it from us thanks for watching like and subscribe we'll see you soon

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