The broken promises of neo-leftist crypto

20 Jun 2024 · 8 min

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Episode Title

The Broken Promises of Neo-Leftist Crypto

Overview In this episode, hosts Emilie Friedlander and Andrea Domanick explore a unique aspect of the pandemic-era crypto boom, focusing on the emergence of "Marxist VCs." They discuss how certain capitalists leveraged leftist rhetoric to attract artists and creatives into the crypto world. Technology and music journalist Eli Zeger joins to delve deeper into this phenomenon, particularly through his essay "Owner's Remorse."

Key Themes

  • Pandemic Crypto Boom: The episode reflects on the crypto rush during the pandemic, particularly its appeal to leftist artists and creatives.
  • Marxist VC Phenomenon: A discussion on how capitalist figures used Marxist language to promote decentralized technologies like NFTs and DAOs, while often obscuring their true intentions.
  • Critique of Mainstream Media: The conversation highlights the lack of nuanced coverage regarding the crypto space, which typically focuses on major players and scams, neglecting the more progressive aspects.

Guest Introduction

  • Eli Zeger: A technology and music culture writer based in Ridgewood, Queens. He authored the essay "Owner’s Remorse," which critiques the intersections of venture capital and blockchain socialism.

Key Discussions

The Role of Venture Capitalists

  • Engagement with Leftist Ideals: Zeger describes how influential venture capitalists like Legion and Jesse Walden engaged with leftist communities, leveraging their language to foster trust and attract interest in their projects.
  • Friendly Banter with Centralization Advocates: Zeger argues that engaging with these figures, who promote decentralization while being committed to centralized control, is irresponsible and self-deluding.

Blockchain Socialism

  • Definition and Experiences: Zeger describes individuals drawn into the crypto space through promises of cooperative ownership and user-led initiatives, referring to them as "blockchain socialists."
  • Personal Reflection: Both Zeger and Friedlander admit to being captivated by the rhetoric, driven by the desire for alternatives to the centralized models of Web 2.0.

Misconceptions about Crypto

  • Environmental Concerns: Zeger counters the narrative that all blockchain technologies are harmful to the environment, emphasizing that not all participants in the space are motivated by scam-like intentions.
  • Centralization vs. Decentralization: The episode highlights the contradiction of promoting decentralized technology while aligning with figures who embody centralization.

Conclusion

  • The episode concludes with a recognition of the complexities within the crypto landscape and the need for a more critical understanding of the rhetoric and realities behind the so-called neo-leftist crypto movement.

Key Takeaways

  • The crypto boom attracted a diverse range of individuals, including those with leftist ideologies, but much of the engagement has been misguided or overly optimistic.
  • The episode serves as a cautionary tale about the seductive nature of rhetoric that promises decentralization while being anchored in capitalist motives.
  • Understanding the nuances of blockchain and cryptocurrency is crucial for discerning the potential benefits and pitfalls of these technologies.

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0:00Hey guys, this is Emily here with a subscriber-only episode of The Culture Journalist. So today we are going to sort of go back in time to examine something that some of us in the kind of technology slash culture space may have come into contact with over the last couple of years, and especially maybe starting with the crypto full run during the pandemic, which was leftists who got into crypto or maybe leftists who got like hoodwinked into being into crypto. the side of crypto that sort of made appeals to artists and leftist creatives and kind of got people to pay attention to it maybe even get a little too involved in it this moment that you know some may remember as kind of a wild time others may be remember as sort of a nightmare so today i'm joined by eli zeger who is a technology and music culture writer where are you based?

1:06I'm in Ridgewood, Queens for now. Based in Ridgewood, Queens. And we are here to talk about a really cool article Eli wrote called Owner's Remorse for the publication Strange Matters. How would you describe it, Eli? It was leftists who, yeah, got into crypto and blockchain because there was the bull market of spring, summer 2021. And they kind of got trapped with it, I don't like the word trapped, but like, you know, they stayed within it and still found hope within it in large part because of sort of elite actors like venture capitalists, founders and executives of different sorts of blockchain projects who honestly talked a good, big, compelling game about user ownership, collective ownership and cooperative ownership.

2:00so that's how I would describe it is like you know there's a lot of attention around this technology and what kind of gave it the impression of having staying power was class conscious seeming rich people in the space yeah and this is kind of a phenomenon that I thought it was really important to write about and cool that you ended up writing about because so much of the mainstream media coverage of the crypto space was, well, A, focused on kind of bigger actors like the SPFs of the world, Binance, et cetera, or, you know, Bored Ape Yacht Club, scams. And you sort of zeroed in on this aspect of the 2021 gold rush that has been very overlooked that people might not even be aware of because people tend to think of it as this like purely libertarian space, I'd say.

2:54Yeah. Or scammy space. When did you first start noticing this? The prevalence of Marxist and kind of economically progressive sounding rhetoric in certain corners of the crypto world and the art side of crypto, I guess. What was your path to it? I guess so path to kind of crypto blockchain stuff was 2020. A buddy of mine was like, oh, get on Coinbase. There's potential there. So I was just like, you know, fucking around with investments during that time then even separately like i was getting into exploring like cooperative ownership on the internet because around that time you know it was still covid days so like you know this is a very internet-based phenomenon and like kind of while being on twitter i realized that there was people who saw an intersection between this web3 stuff and web3 refers to kind of the category of blockchain and crypto so people who saw the affinity between web3 and cooperative ownership on the internet So during that time, what the essay is about is how I primarily saw a lot of kind of engagement.

3:56I don't want to say like praise necessarily, but a lot of engagement and a lot of people taking seriously a particular venture capital firm called Variant Fund, who I write a lot about. They're helmed by two people, Legion, Jesse Walden. And I noticed that people who were interested in a cooperatively owned, user-owned internet with the power of blockchain and crypto, they were engaging with Legion and Jesse Walden on Twitter. And most of the time, Legion and Jesse Walden were very interested in engaging back. So what I witnessed was this sort of friendliness and lack of criticality towards venture capitalists.

4:39And yeah, I guess to your point of like this phenomenon going under the radar is to understand like because a lot of the left pushback against Web3 stuff was, oh, it's all just scams. Oh, it's all just bad for the environment. These sort of criticisms that were true in certain aspects were misdefining or kind of like overly defining technology. You know, not all of blockchain is bad for the environment. Not everyone who gets involved is a scammer like SBF. Also, the other thing, his scam had more of a flavor of Madoff than any sort of... He wasn't vitalic or anything. It wasn't something that was endemic to the fact of using cryptocurrency.

5:19It was a scam that could have been done not using crypto, or if you were not involved in crypto. Yeah, exactly. Any sort of nascent technology can be exploited by scammers, and it's not unique to crypto and blockchain. but for most of the people who were critiquing this sort of stuff they were missing the sort of more niche phenomenon of what I'm describing in my essays because you know to understand this niche phenomenon you have to think that there is some sort of promise to blockchain and crypto you have to see how the technology can potentially be good so when you know if one understands that there is some sort of good to blockchain and crypto to stay true to the essence of decentralized technology, it's fucked up to then be engaged in kind of friendly banter and take seriously venture capitalists who are actors committed to centralization.

6:18And that's essentially my argument is, you know, it's irresponsible and it's a bit like self-deluding to engage with actors of centralization simply because they're good at talking about decentralization. In the piece, you call the people that this rhetoric was meant for or who ended up falling for it, blockchain socialists. And you admit that you were one of them. And I maybe was too for a little bit, or at least I was kind of like agnostic about it. But as someone who was like deeply interested in how platforms and like sort of the digital architecture of our lives impacted the economics of art and culture, I was like, well, let's at least see what this technology might have to offer because it's looking pretty bad here with Web 2, which is the thing that Web 3 is rebelling against, I guess.

7:09And you think of like the major, it's big tech, like platforms like Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and maybe even, you know, something like streaming. Yeah. Why do you think a lot of leftists kind of ended up finding this rhetoric so intoxicating, especially during that particular moment in time? And, you know, what are some examples of things that they might have gotten involved with? That's it for the free preview version of this episode. There's lots more ahead. You can get full access by becoming a paid subscriber for just five bucks a month over at theculturejournalist.substack.com.

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This week, we’re traveling back in time to explore a facet of the pandemic-era crypto goldrush that all but entirely escaped the attention of the mainstream media: The rise of the “Marxist VC.” This was, if you’re unaware, the strange blip in recent history where a contingent of uber-capitalist investors, founders, and other Web3 evangelists leveraged pseudo-Marxist and pro-labor rhetoric (along with cogent critiques of Big Tech) to induct artists and leftists into the world of NFTs and DAOs. Technology and music journalist Eli Zeger, author of a recent essay called “Owner’s Remorse” for the publication Strange Matters, joins to discuss how the capitalist class hijacked the discussion around building a more democratically owned and governed internet, the plutocratic realities that buzzwords like “squad wealth” and “the ownership economy” obscure, and what it’s actually like to work for a DAO (Hint: In most cases, it’s more like working for Uber than a co-op). 

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