Carve Your Unique Path to Success | Zane Lowe

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0:44I'm curious about maybe an artist or two that really surprised you. Maybe you had a conception about them based on their music, based on what you'd seen in the press before you've interviewed them, based on their persona and personal brand and kind of character type that they portrayed to the masses. Is there one or two that you can... There's a group. I always came from the corner of the room. Like, I knew what music I liked and I didn't really want to compromise on that. So I knew it was a slower journey and I knew that it wasn't going to be any shortcut to big numbers or big audiences. It was like, you know, if you want to be the first person to play the hives on the radio, you know, you're not going to be...

1:22No one's going to kick your door down for a mainstream Saturday night NBC show. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, he's the hives guy. He's happy in his corner, right? He's doing his thing. He's a new music person. And it worked really well for me. And I had an amazing time. I realized, like, if I'm going to listen more and I'm going to change the way that I approach these conversations, I need to find people who are doing things I don't really know about. I don't really know what drives the pop mentality. I don't really know who Justin Bieber is. I don't really know what kind of life Selena Gomez has actually lived.

1:52And so when I started having those conversations, it became clear to me and very surprising that with a bit of listening and some genuine curiosity and probably a bit of naivety as to what goes into the pop world, we unlocked these kind of stories and these conversations that really surprised me how transparent modern pop artists have become. Really? Yeah. Because in my time, when I was coming up to the 20s and 30s or whatever, trying to find my voice, pop was just so, hi where are the Backstreet Boys right it's like hey what's been the hardest thing on tour I don't know man Kevin ate my hot dog last night that was pretty tough going you know MTV news you know that was like the headlines but you knew there was stuff going on you knew that people didn't like each other you knew there was drama people getting ripped off I mean pop music has been one of the most exploited things right from an artistic point of view it's very exploit I mean music any artist is you know hip-hop country music dance music whatever the artists have a tough time so you knew that didn't stop at pop you knew it was drama and pop but you can never get to it it's like it was always just like and cut we're good here you know find a light yeah sell the record sell the record sell the dream and what was really interesting to me was when i started having conversations with these artists just how honest and inspiring in conversation they were i mean i've found my times talking to selena gomez to be some of the most fascinating and honest amazing conversations I've had in my career really yeah she knows where the line is hmm but she doesn't mind walking up to it you know and I always thought pop music was way behind the line you know you want to go have those conversations go talk to your favorite rock star or rapper or singer-songwriter folk star or whatever you know I never thought pop stars would show up like that and and that's really where it's gone I mean sitting down and having that conversation with Justin Bieber where he was that vulnerable that open that honest let the tears flow let the voice crack let the body language tell you everything that you needed to know that was very surprising to me it was not what i was expecting when i showed up to the studio that day and i found the whole thing to be incredibly brave and honest and i think inspiring for other stars who perhaps felt like they had to present their best and protect the rest it's okay you can just let it all go if it's the right time in the right place and you want to you know kelly clarkson says something to me today in our conversation where she talked about sort of being more willing to just walk away from things and i mean she just said it's exhausting it's exhausting to continually have to sort of she started things together she's sort of saying no and creating boundaries and just saying it's easier for me just to say i don't want to do that or i'm going to move on or it's just or here's my honest truth and that's that's what i saw in justin i just saw at the time you can watch it i'm not saying anything you can't see he just looked exhausted and he just looked like he wanted to just stop he just wanted to be like here's how i feel today bro i may feel different tomorrow but today i'm tired and so that that has been a very inspiring thing as someone who's curious about what goes into music and art the true stories the humanity of it you know so many artists who have so much to lose by being honest hundreds of millions of followers and constant attention constant eyeballs trained on them from a young age to actually be able to say, I'm upset, or that really hurt me, or this is my truth.

5:15And I think in many respects, and this is the thing, this is my little headline from this conversation, I think that this generation of people who were raised in the public eye and have gone on to develop careers in pop music from a young age are ultimately paving the way for pop stars to be able to walk the line with more knowledge, with a better understanding, just a stronger sense of self.

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