If You're Always Busy, You Might Be Running From Yourself | Dan Martell

22 Apr 2026 · 8 min · 4 chapters

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In short

Dan Martell discusses self-love and how constant busyness can be avoidance—arguing that true “love yourself” means loving life without job, money, recognition, brand, and even being able to be alone in bliss. He shares a personal process of forced solitude (“window therapy”/“drive and be with your thoughts”) to reconnect with himself and discover purpose.

Guest background

Dan Martell is an entrepreneur and author known for productivity/time-management work (e.g., “Buy Back Your Time”) and financial-freedom content.

Key claims

Busyness distracts from purpose; solitude without phones/plans reveals what you’ve been resisting; after the retreat he became a “better person,” and his wife noticed.

Notable examples

A coach (Stephanie) challenged him to spend five days alone; he resisted for a year, then rented a loaded van for five days with no agenda, no work, no phone, and used a satellite phone only for safety.

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The Journey to Self-Love

0:39 to 2:55

Dan Martell shares his journey towards self-love and acceptance.

“Because I'm assuming it didn't happen overnight, you know, after you're throwing bullets in the field and taking them out of the rifle, it probably wasn't in your early 20s.”

The Challenge of Solitude

2:55 to 4:56

Exploring the challenges and revelations of spending time alone.

“That's like when I was working with one of my coaches, Stephanie, this is, she challenged me.”

Finding Beauty in Nature

4:56 to 5:48

Dan reflects on the beauty of nature and the importance of presence.

Embracing Stillness

5:48 to 6:14

The importance of slowing down and embracing stillness in our lives.

“renee was like oh no dan's different so i would just challenge people even if it's for a walk No AirPods, no phone, no podcast, nothing.”
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0:38When was the moment that you actually started to love yourself?

0:47That's a good question. Do you remember? Because I'm assuming it didn't happen overnight, you know, after you're throwing bullets in the field and taking them out of the rifle, it probably wasn't in your early 20s. And I know you in your late 20s when you're driven to achieve and get exits and make millions and improve, because I was in that space as well. But when was the moment you actually said, I like myself and I love myself? It's like, I'll be honest with you, man.

1:21Dan Martell:I don't think I love myself 100%. today sitting here now when i say that a hundred percent of the time because i i you see what i'm saying like i had i hear you yeah so on a scale of one to ten yeah how much do you love yourself eight strong okay but that's i look at that as loving no no and and i'll tell you so i think we have to define what that means for me it's i love me without anything else. That's, let's talk about that. I love life without my job, without the resources, without the money, without the recognition. The following and the brand. Dude, I love my life without my kids. That's a hard one.

2:10Dan Martell:So like my definition of a 10 is can I be with myself, by myself and love myself? A hundred percent of the time. A hundred percent of the time. Well, I mean, no one wants to be alone. I know. But no, but that's actually for me, the criteria when you say that is, is can I be on the top of a mountain by myself and be in pure bliss and joy? I mean, love. I mean, life's not about being isolated. It's about being in relationship to others. So it's, you know, sure. Can I, can I have a day by myself? I didn't, I didn't know how to do that. I mean, the guy that wrote buyback of your time, why? Cause I was optimizing, bro.

2:46Dan Martell:Like system structure, people, what the bomb. So it's like, I had to write that book to help me get through that part. And once you had all that time, could you be okay with yourself? Dude, that was the craziest process. That's like when I was working with one of my coaches, Stephanie, this is, she challenged me. She goes, I love you, Dan. You're, but now what? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I dare you to go spend five days by yourself. Oh yeah. Have you done that yet? Yeah. She made me do it. And what did you discover? I, what I discover it'd been a while since I had taken care of myself fully. That's an interesting concept because I'm not a backpacker go camping kind of guy.

3:25Dan Martell:So what I did is I went, uh, I did. Okay. So I rented a van that came loaded. Okay. So intervan loaded. You can rent them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gramping. Gramping puns. So I got a van loaded and I remember like I was going to do three days. She said, no, that's not enough. Five. You got to go five. And I'm like, well, what do I do? She goes, that's the whole point. That's the whole point. You figure it out. Yeah. No agenda, no process, no nothing. No work. Yeah. She called it window therapy. You need to go drive windshield therapy. That's what she called windshield. Go drive and be with you. Be with your thoughts.

4:01Dan Martell:Be with the presence. Be in the woods. So I. When was this? This was not long ago, bro. This was a couple of years ago. Really? Yeah. Well, like there's been, like everything is, it's phasic. It's like a wave, like, right? It's not, again, it's, it's, I'm just an example of every day waking up and trying to not repeat mistakes and be a little bit better. And it got to the point where I was like, okay, what's my next level? And I thought, okay, I gotta do meditation. Okay, meditation's cool. But now I was like, oh, maybe I gotta do a silent retreat. And then she was talking to me and she's like, you gotta go do this.

4:31Dan Martell:And I was like, and again, I always look at what I resist. Yeah, of course. The thing you don't want to do. Is what I got to do. So that one I was like really resisting. I think I said no to her for about a year. And I finally did it. On the backside of that, it took three days. On the third day, I was walking in the ways I remember the moment where I was at. And I just dropped in, man. Just dropped into the beauty of nature, beauty of the moment, beauty of the presence, beauty of the oneness of it all. And I was like, oh. So in that moment, pure love. Really? Oh. the wildest realization that this earth has been around before i showed up and will be here after i leave and it is the coolest like the sun is the earth breathing every day right and just like all these like just things so i would challenge anybody listening because it's easy to to to stay busy even when we work is almost like a way to distract ourselves from trying to discover our purpose all that right so i went through all that the achievement you know challenges but there was still a part of me that could not find that in him by himself and i went to that place and and the cool part is on the back side of that i became a better person times i think my wife like she renee was like oh no dan's different so i would just challenge people even if it's for a walk No AirPods, no phone, no podcast, nothing.

6:01Dan Martell:Go for a walk by yourself and slow down and don't have a planned route and don't try to, I mean, do measure everything and try to compete against and how many feet of elevation. Just go wander. But you're the optimization guy. I know. You're the productivity guy. You're the... I remember talking to her. I was like, where do I go? She goes, you'll figure it out. Where do I sleep? No plan? Nothing. No objective? No sat phone. No phone. She gave me a sat phone. I was allowed to bring a satellite phone before something happened and a couple books.

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Dan Martell rates his self-love at an 8 out of 10. Not a 10. He'll tell you why.

His definition of a perfect 10 is being able to sit alone, completely stripped of his job, his money, his brand, even his kids, and feel whole. He's not there yet. That honesty alone is worth the listen.

His coach Stephanie dared him to spend five days alone in a van with no phone and no plan. He said no for a year. When he finally went, day three in the woods cracked something open. He calls it pure love.

The guy who wrote the book on productivity admits work was partly a way to avoid himself.

His challenge to you: take a walk. No AirPods. No route. No elevation tracker. Just wander.

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