In short
Faith Jenkins discusses divorce, relationship timing, and character revealed under stress, using an “orange squeeze” analogy: whatever is inside comes out when pressured. She argues that walking away can protect peace without destroying an ex, and that emotional maturity determines whether breakups end with loving closure or anger.
Guest backgrounds
Faith Jenkins is a family-court attorney who worked in New York family court early in her career, later appearing on TV and advising from observed cases.
Key claims
Marry when it’s the right time (she married at 42, two years ago). True character shows in how someone treats others when things go badly. Breakups reveal who people really are. Loving endings require emotional maturity.
Notable examples
She describes investigating a boyfriend’s apartment during early breakups (checking drawers/under beds/trash like “CSI”). She contrasts “anger ending” behavior (bitterness/resentment) with “loving ending” behavior (hurt but respectful departure).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Right Time for Love
0:42 to 1:25
Discussion on love, relationships, and the timing of marriage.
“What has witnessing so many divorces taught you about love, relationships, and marriage?”
Lessons from Divorce
1:25 to 2:21
Insights on love and divorce based on personal experiences.
“So what has witnessing divorce taught me?”
Character Revealed Through Breakups
2:21 to 3:41
Understanding true character through how people handle breakups.
“And, you know, we've seen some crazy ones and try to give the best advice that I can, which is it's easy to treat people right when you like them and when things are going great.”
The Orange Analogy
3:41 to 4:35
Explaining emotional responses using the orange analogy.
“I use this analogy of an orange and I say, you know, why are these things, why is this hatred coming out of you?”
Emotional Maturity in Relationships
4:35 to 5:52
Discussing emotional maturity and its impact on breakups.
“What's the difference between those two types of people, the loving ending and the anger ending?”
Transcript
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0:42What has witnessing so many divorces taught you about love, relationships, and marriage? Well, I would say, first of all, I waited until the right time. The right time. For me to get married. For other people, they may have perhaps thought it was a long time. They may have perhaps thought it was too long because I would get a lot of those questions about why aren't you married in my 20s, in my 30s. I got married. I was 42 years old. So I was recently married two years ago. So I had to deal with that. But I always say, you know what, when it's the right time, if it's something that I really want, the timing will be perfect.
1:24Everything comes to me in the right time, space and sequence. Absolutely. So what has witnessing divorce taught me? Well, my parents got divorced when I was 13 years old. And I saw the early stages of their love growing up as a child. And I saw their decision to go their separate ways. So that was my first insight into what divorce was like. And it was difficult and it was painful. And as a child, when you love your parents, you want to see things work out. But I also knew at that age that it was the right thing for them to do at the time. Yeah. And now when I have these cases before me and people are going their separate ways and growing apart, I pull from that experience even as a child.
2:20I pull from my experience working in family court in New York very early on in my career and then working on TV and seeing the cases. And, you know, we've seen some crazy ones and try to give the best advice that I can, which is it's easy to treat people right when you like them and when things are going great. But you really want to know the true character of a person, the true measure of a person is how you treat them when things aren't going well. Amen. when things are going bad. That's the true measure. I always say you learn a lot about someone after you go through a breakup. That's who they really are, how they treat you or how they talk about you in a good way, a negative way.
3:01You learn a lot about the character of someone based on a breakup. Yep. If I were to give you an orange right now and you were to squeeze that orange, what would come out of it? Juice. Orange juice. So, and no matter what circumstances, I could put that orange out in the sun and give it to you. I could put it out in the cold and give it to you and you could squeeze it repeatedly, only one thing will come out of it. There'll be orange juice. So even when you're going through difficult circumstances in the adversity of life, you're going through stress. Someone makes you angry. If anger comes out of you, if bitterness comes out of you, if resentment comes out of you, that's what's inside of you.
3:40Absolutely. I use this analogy of an orange and I say, you know, why are these things, why is this hatred coming out of you? Why is this spite coming out of you? Why do you want to cause this person pain right now? Just because you're walking away from a relationship. Sometimes you have to walk away. One of the toughest things about life you have to learn is sometimes you're going to walk away from people that you love. You're going to do it to protect your peace. Absolutely. You're going to do it to protect the peace of your environment, protect your home, whatever those reasons are. Sometimes it happens.
4:08It doesn't mean that you have to try to destroy the other person in the process. Absolutely. Why do you think people try to destroy or cause so much pain on their ex-partners when they go through a breakup or divorce? Is it because they feel pain and so they want the other person to feel it? Have you seen cases of people that don't do that, that actually are like, you know what, I'm sad, I'm hurt, this is not fun, this is maybe horrible to lose this relationship and go through this experience, but I'm going to leave this in a loving way? Yes. Yes, I have. I've seen both sides of it. What's the difference between those two types of people, the loving ending and the anger ending?
4:45Why, what do they, how do they develop that inside of them under all the stress and pain? It's an emotional maturity that you, that you have to have. And some people have it, they've developed it over time. I will tell you when I started going through breakups at 21 and 22 years old, I did some crazy things. You know, I, I remember I talked about this in the book. I went to my boyfriend's apartment in Manhattan and I became CSI in that moment. Investigating. I was investigating because I knew something was up. Checking drawers and under beds and looking in the trash and looking for everything.
5:22I was an attorney and I watched enough law and order to know how these things work. Is there a hair somewhere? So, you know, I had some moments that I wasn't proud of. I wasn't mature.
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Faith Jenkins is a divorce attorney who's seen it all, and she says the courtroom strips people down to what they're really made of.
Her analogy is simple. Squeeze an orange and you get orange juice. Every time. Doesn't matter if it's cold or hot, stressed or comfortable. What's inside is what comes out.
The same is true for people in divorce.
She waited until 42 to get married. Watched her own parents split when she was 13. And at 21, went full CSI on a boyfriend's Manhattan apartment because she knew something was off.
She's lived all sides of this. And what she'll tell you is that walking away from someone you love doesn't have to be destructive. It takes one thing most people are still working on: emotional maturity.
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Topics
divorce lessons, emotional maturity, relationship character, breakup behavior, Faith Jenkins, walking away with peace, how to end a relationship, love and divorce, character under pressure, self-awareness in relationships
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