Arnold Schwarzenegger's Seven Tools for Life

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3:03Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, where each weekday we bring you a meditation inspired by the ancient Stoics, a short passage of ancient wisdom designed to help you find strength and insight here in everyday life. And on Wednesdays, we talk to some of our fellow students of ancient philosophy, well-known and obscure, fascinating and powerful. With them, we discuss the strategies and habits that have helped them become who they are and also to find peace and wisdom in their actual lives. kind of stoic intention for the week, something to meditate on, something to think on, something to leave you with, to journal about, whatever it is you happen to be doing.

3:46So let's get into it.

3:52Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast. I told you my story with Arnold Schwarzenegger when I did my earlier episode with him. So we've gotten to know each other a little. He told me this super nice thing that he has a leather bound copy of the Daily Stoic on his counter, which is, you know, just sort of unreal. Guy who's always been a huge movie star since I was a little kid, who was the governor of the state that I grew up in while I was growing up there is reading one of my books. It was nuts. But what was crazier was that so we did we did the interview at his office in Santa Monica.

4:26I thought it went well, bumped into Rich Roll while I was there. I really enjoyed the book. If you haven't read Be Useful, you should carry it at the painted porch. But anyways, I thought that was the end of it. And then I got a note from Arnold's publicist that said, Hey, Danny DeVito was supposed to interview Arnold on stage at the 92nd street. Why? Uh, but he can't because of some Broadway commitment. Could you do it? So I guess that's the first time I've been asked to fill in for Danny DeVito, probably the last, but I was incredibly honored to do it. So I flew to New York for the day, had dinner with my sister, Amy, who lives in New York.

5:10And then I got on stage with Arnold. I'll tell you a little story. Arnold had been running from interview to interview to interview like the last week, all that day in New York City. And I got there a little early. I wanted to see the venue. I've done a talk at the 92nd Street Wide, but they didn't put me in the main Theater when I was there. So I wanted to see it. And it's an incredible space. What a cool sort of institution in New York. Anyways, Arnold gets in, he sort of throws himself in this chair. And you can just tell this dude is bone tired, has been pushed way beyond his limits. And I mean, look, he's in great shape, but he is, you know, 76.

5:48And it's hard. I mean, it's hard for me in my 30s to do a media and marketing tour. And I'm not even getting as many asses he is. Anyways, he is bone tired. And I'm thinking, is he not going to be able to do this? What's it going to be like on stage? And then, of course, he gets on stage. And as soon as the crowd starts clapping and they go crazy for him, he gets what they call stage medicine. Just all the energy comes back. He lights up. You see why this dude is who he is. Other small note, Thomas Kaplan, who is on the board at the 92nd Street Wise, introduced us. And he's a big fan of stoicism.

6:28He's an oil and gas magnate, I guess, billionaire investor. He and Arnold worked together to build a mountain lion sanctuary in Southern California. I happen to have met Thomas many years earlier at Stoicon. And we had a nice conversation about stoicism a couple months later at lunch on his boat as we circled the Statue of Liberty. All of which to say it was a very surreal experience and it led to this conversation, which I'm happy to bring you. This is the audio of Arnold and I talking at the 92nd Street Y about life, about energy, about walking, about vision. And he tells some great stories.

7:09I think I learned a lot during the first interview how to get a better second interview. And I think this is better than the first one, which if you haven't listened to, you absolutely should. And again, if you haven't listened to or read Arnold's new book, it's great. I'll link to it in today's show notes you can grab. Be useful from the Painted Porch or anywhere books are sold. It's fantastic. And then Arnold's email list is fantastic, too. And of course, on social, he's always great as well. Thanks to Arnold for this opportunity. Thanks, I guess, really to Danny DeVito for the opportunity. And thanks to Arnold's wonderful publisher for setting it all up and making it happen.

7:45Enjoy.

8:00Well, thank you very much. Thank you. This is really fantastic. I mean, it's a, I love, it's the only time when I'm hanging out with you, I get this kind of applause. That's really great. Well, as we were saying backstage, you, you started in a gym and now you're back in a gym. I started at the YMCA and I'm back at the YMCA. You're absolutely right. And I see a whole bunch of guys, you're all pumped up. This guy has the baby wall still on. It's like amazing. Look at his deltoids. That's fantastic. This feels like a bodybuilding show. Well, considering we're back here in New York, I thought we'd start when I was in your office a couple of weeks ago, I saw some of your, some evidence of your Warhol days.

8:40I wonder if you had any Andy Warhol stories, given that we're here in New York? Well, first of all, let me just say thank you very much for doing the moderating here today. My pleasure. I really appreciate that, Ryan. And you've been someone that I've been looking up to. You're such a great author and bestselling author, not only in America, but worldwide. This is where the action is, of course, in the global economy. And I also want to say thank you very much to Tom for the nice words that he said in the introduction and having me here. So thank you very much, Tom. And he also promised me that he's going to take me around the Statue of Liberty with his boat.

9:24You know, not everyone can afford a boat or a ship. And then to take you around like that. So I'm really looking forward to it. You took that trip already, right? They did, yeah. They say you should only get a boat if you can afford five boats. Well, we don't have to worry about him. So that's for sure. But anyway, so thank you, Tom, for being so kind and, you know, receiving us here with open arms. So thank you very much. And it's great to be back in New York again. And, you know, to do this here in New York, it's kind of, I mean, I cannot believe how many people there are here. This is totally packed.

10:01And it reminds me a little bit on 1976 when I was doing a demonstration, a posing demonstration, at the Whitney Museum. So someone had that idea. I think it was Bobby Serum who was then a good publicist, one of the top publicists in America. And he said we should go to the Whitney Museum because you always talk about bodybuilding being like an art. Like you're sculpting your body. And I think we should invite the top 10 art historians to the Whitney Museum and to have them discuss then afterwards, is it art or is it not? And how does it tie in with all the sculptors? And, you know, have a discussion about that.

10:47And the press will write about it and it will give bodybuilding a lot of publicity. And so the people at the Whitney Museum said, I don't know if anyone will show up, to be honest with you. This is a little bit odd, even though we do odd things here in the Whitney Museum. but this is a little bit too hard. And, but anyway, so they went ahead and did it. And the evening when we had the event, there was like thousands of people lined up outside to get in. And of course they couldn't get in. But I mean, so they took out all the chairs that they had and everyone was sitting on the floor so they could cramp in more people.

11:28There was in the middle of this space, there was a dais, a round dais, an electric dais that was rotating around slowly, and we were hitting very artistic shots, like sculptures, right? And the art historians had then this discussion and all that. It was a very, very successful event. So it was like packed. This reminds me a little bit of that atmosphere there. It is a really great atmosphere here, and just also a lot, a lot of people. It's wonderful. Anyway, to get back to you. To Warhol? To Warhol. I spent a lot of time in the 70s in New York because we were always raising money for the documentary Pumping Iron.

12:07And at one of the fundraisers, which was at Elaine's, and that restaurant doesn't exist anymore, sadly, because I really always had a great time. And Elaine herself was a great, great fan. And she always introduced me to all the directors that were there and the actors and Nureyev and all those people. in her restaurant. And we had this fundraiser there. And I think Jackie Kennedy brought her little son, and she was with Andy Warhol. And so then I started talking to them, and that's where I met Andy Warhol. He just loved the whole idea of bodybuilding. And then he invited me down to come down to the factory.

12:56and then Jamie Wyeth, which was another famous artist and he's still alive and still paints, he's an extraordinary artist. He then ended up painting me. He painted in the morning Nureyev and in the afternoon he painted me at the factory. Andy Warhol was coming in and out and doing his thing and we always had a really great time there and it was very entertaining. I was there for three weeks when he was doing the painting of me and during that time, I remember there was just really odd things going down. I mean, it was like one day I was there and they prepared, as I was just standing there and doing this posing for Jamie Wyeth, Andy comes in and they prepare a table and then all of a sudden there was like 15 guys that were coming in.

13:55Good-looking guys. And the next thing I know is they're all getting naked.

14:04So I look over there, and I'm hitting my pose. I say, this is like, this is, I say to Jamie Wilde, this is really wild, and he says, oh, this is nothing. So the next thing I know is these guys now naked start piling on top of each other on this square table. And one after the other. And so this was, you know, so I'm looking over there and I see this thing and then he moves the light around and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden he comes over to me and he has the camera set up. He always uses Polaroids. And he said to me, he says, look through the lens. So I went over there and I looked through the lens, and he says, can you see what it is?

14:55I said, no, it's really close. It's a really close shot. So what it was was the way he lit it was he then called it landscapes. And it was literally just asses. But it was so tight. And you didn't see the feet or the legs or anything. It was just hills. and he called it landscapes a landscape and and that was the thing and then he he paint he painted the whole thing after the photograph and it became a very famous painting he sorted as i think as landscape you know with the title and stuff like that but this is the kind of crazy stuff that i saw and then every time i went out with him he always had the tape recorder with him and he recorded everything and he even put me on the cover of his magazine the interview magazine which I've been on I think twice or three times since then but it was really fantastic he became a really big fan and it was really a big believer and we became really good friends and he even came he even painted my wife I remember I called him one day and I said look I want to I'm getting married in the spring this was in 1986 and I said I'm getting married in April I said can you do me a favor I said we're just five months away from that I said can you do me a favor and do a painting of Maria and he says absolutely and I sent Maria down she was doing her NBC morning news show out of New York so I sent her down to the factory he took pictures of her and the whole thing like that and he made this beautiful, beautiful portraits of Maria.

16:38He did like seven of them. And one of them I gave to her parents when we got married and then four of them I gave to Maria. And then the rest of them ended up now with my two daughters. And so it was really fantastic. He was that kind of a guy. He really did an extraordinary job in the paintings and came to my wedding to hang in his sport and didn't do any speeches. you know this is not his style and I said to him I said come in and he did a speech and he said he was always very shy and very quiet about everything but so it was really great to actually watch his documentary that is out there and it was a series of like I think eight episodes or something like that or six episodes whatever it was but it was fantastic because everything that they showed was really true that the way he lived and the way he thought and how creative he was and all that stuff.

17:36Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. I had one other critical question before we get into the book, which is amazing. And I'm excited for everyone to read, but I am a fellow miniature donkey owner. I have two. And I thought maybe you could tell people why they are the greatest pets. well number one i really don't know if they're the greatest pets i haven't had you know every pet in the world but i mean i can tell you that i never ever planned on having a donkey no because it's really odd because my daughter when she was into horseback riding you know she would say can you buy me this horse can you buy me this and then one of the things she wanted was a miniature pony and so I bought her this miniature pony and you know a few years later she started dating and for some reason or the other as time went on she just kind of like was not as interested and this pony.

18:44And the pony was in a stable right below of where my house was, going down Mandeville Canyon, there were a bunch of stables. And so she was down there locked up, and there was often someone took her out and took her around and walked her and all that stuff. So I figured that out, and I said, I'm going to have this miniature pony come up to my house. and so I had him come up to my house once twice a week and then roam around to the grass there and the house and I realized that she wanted to come into the house and I gave her some food and some celery and some carrots and it was really wonderful and then I decided that I'm going to build a stall for her and then I'm going to bring her up permanently to the house and so there was now whiskey at the house and now I have this new girlfriend.

19:40Well, at that point, she was not new anymore. I dated her for a few years. But in any case, she decided that, because she grew up with horses, and she said, you know, I think she needs a companion. Yes. And so one day... That's how they get you. One time, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So one day I came home, and there was this miniature donkey. And together with whiskey, with a miniature pony. And so they were hanging out together, loving each other. And she says, I knew it. She needed a companion. Look how they're getting along and all this stuff. And I said, this is really great. And I was really happy about the whole thing.

20:19And so since then, we have this pony and we have the donkey. And they come in in the morning. Part of the routine, when I get up in the morning, is I feed the dogs. We have three dogs and a pig. I have to feed the pig. and the dogs and then when i fed them then they all kind of like you know are busy with eating and now i go over to the stables and get the get lulu and whiskey yeah and they now follow me to the house we go into the kitchen now and we go and we give them cookies so we make special cookies they're oatmeal cookies with no sugar in it just honey i mean as if they care right i mean but i I mean, anyway, they love those cookies.

21:06And I just give one, I give Lulu the cookie, and then I give whiskey a cookie, and then Lulu the cookie, and then all of a sudden the dogs come, and they want to get us a cookie. So now they sit down, and I feed them two. Then the pig comes, and then as the pig comes in, and the pig is now 50 pounds, it's like this size, and he wants to have a cookie, so I give him a cookie. And then, of course, now Lulu gets pissed off because the pig is trying to get one of his cookies. She thinks one of her cookies. So now she starts trampling the pig. So the pig runs off screaming loud and the dogs run off.

21:44And I said, there's all this theatrics and this madness going on in my kitchen just before I even go on my bicycle ride and go and work out in the gym. So all of this happens between 6 and 7 o 'clock in the morning. So we have had a lot of fun with those animals. and I wouldn't even know what it would be like life without them because really it is just amazing of how much joy animals can bring to your house. If you have the space, you know, so if you have an apartment, maybe it just works with a cat or a little dog or something like that. But if you have a house and if you have that property, you have like three acres of flat land there and they run around all those animals and then eventually you have to lock them up because otherwise there's certain animals like the horses, they just keep eating grass all day long until they get really fat.

22:35And the pig is the same way. The pig just wants to eat. So I just, you know, they dig on the ground and all that stuff. So you just have to kind of put them in the area where there is no food so that you kind of protect their body weight a little bit. I don't want to have a pig that is too fat. I just want to keep it like around 50 pounds. It's kind of this size. But again, it's unlike anything else, the amount of fun that they provide. And with the pig wanting to sit in the lap and then, you know, just grunts away. Then you feed it a little bit and it just sits there. And it just falls asleep in your arms and all that stuff.

23:12It's just really fantastic. Yeah, I take a lot of lessons on presence and stillness and gratitude for the simple things from my donkey. Yeah, that's a good idea. Gratitude. simple things for the donkey my donkey wouldn't get along with you simple things there's nothing simple about that donkey

23:37I take them to my office so this is a real funny one so I put the seats down on the back of the Yukon and then I trick them with food with cookies into the Yukon in the back seat so they go in there and they have the cookie in front of them So for the cookie, they chase anything. I mean, they go anywhere. It makes no difference where it is. And they go into the back of the Yukon. I close the doors, close everything up. Then slowly I drive to the office. And in the office, I let them out again. I put them on a leash so they don't run away. And they take them upstairs to the office. And then they just run around loose.

24:16And they're in there for a few hours. As a matter of fact, Stallone asked me if he can, you know, do some filming for his documentary. And so he said, can I come over to the office? And I said, yeah, come to the office. So I brought the donkey and the miniature pony I brought with me to kind of confuse him a little bit. So he was like totally shocked when he came into the office and whiskey was on my left side, on my right side and Lula on my left side. And they were having carrots and chopping eating away on their carrots and stuff like that, and then their cookies, and he came in, and he looked, and he said,

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26:20So order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. I'm picking my kids up from school today and then doing our weekly routine, which is I take them over to Whole Foods and we get all our groceries for the week. Then we have dinner. It's one of their favorite things to do. It's one of my favorite things to do. And then my wife loves it because she doesn't have to take care of it. this holiday season whether you're a guest or hosting the big dinner whole foods market has what you need to delight everyone at your table they even have heat and eat sides from the prepared foods department you can make whole foods your one-stop shop everything follows whole foods markets strict ingredients standards so you know it'll be delicious and good for you you can also order online for pickup and even delivery in select zip codes to skip the crowds shop everything you need at whole foods market your holiday headquarters I was going to ask you sort of about your morning routine, but I feel like I just got a perfect sense of what it's like to wake up as you each.

27:17Well, there's a morning routine and then right after that. But it's like because I believe very strongly in waking up and not thinking. We talked about that, you know, just don't think. Because you have to have a routine. So then you get into the day automatically. Everything is automatic. So I don't think about should I now feed the animals or go through any of that nonsense. I just get up, go down to the kitchen, and I put the coffee machine on, put the music on, open up the doors, and then now the animals get fed. So this is the routine. Then right after that is over, after the horses cruise around for half an hour, they put them into the stable.

27:54Then I go and drive with my car, with the bikes in the back, down to a hotel in Santa Monica. Then we unload the bikes, and then we ride to the gym. and we work out for 45 minutes at the gym. Then I ride back again and have breakfast. Then I go home. And from that point on, I start thinking about and planning and working out the schedule or, you know, working on a speech or whatever it may be. And that's when my day begins, really. Don't think just get moving, get after it. Don't get sucked into the phone, to email, whatever. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. I would never touch the phone before I feed the animals and before I go to the gym.

28:39And the simple reason is because that's what then the danger comes in that it sidetracks you. So you, you, you know, because let's assume for a second your goal is to do your bicycle riding or life cycle riding, stationary bike riding or exercising every morning. So if you get out of bed and you start thinking about it, it could be that that derails you. because you maybe feel like, well, maybe the day I shouldn't, I need to make this phone calls and all this kind of stuff. But if you don't think, that cannot happen. Yes. Because you roll out of bed and you go to your stationary bike and then you go and get to your regular, you do your work.

29:17So this is why I think that in the morning it is very important that we get all of those kind of things, the chores out of the way. And they're fun. They really get you going. And I tell you that after exercising, I mean, it's almost kind of like when I ride to the gym, I ride through a black and white landscape. But when I ride back from the gym after working out, I feel like it's all in color. I feel like the whole world has now become more positive and much more fun. And so this is why I always say to people that working out and exercising doesn't just have the impact on your body, but it has an impact psychologically also of how you feel about the day and about everything.

29:59And you know how we all get up in the morning and sometimes are depressed and things are not going well. But after the workout, everything is just rosy and fine. It's just amazing the kind of impact working out has. Well, you're starting the day with a win. And so you feel useful to yourself. That's right. And you can go be useful to other people. That's right, exactly. You do have a beautiful ode in the book to walking. You think you quote Nietzsche. He says, only ideas had while walking have any worth. Is the bike ride that kind of for you? It's getting yourself active, getting yourself moving, starting the wheels turning for the day, and then you carry that back to the work you have to do?

30:35Yeah, absolutely. So you get great ideas when you work out or when you ride the bike. And it's kind of a form of a meditation, except you have to be careful. You have to know how to do that because you don't want to all of a sudden think about something and all of a sudden the bus comes and hits you and wipes you out. So that doesn't work either. so I just you know I'm so used to the places where I ride through the traffic and sometimes dangerous and you know but I can think and I have visions because I'm a very kind of visual person and I see my goals and I see the things that I do all the time not everything just some things you know that obviously that are important to me I've never seen for myself for instance or visualized myself as a great golfer, you know, and I suck in golf because of that, you know.

31:31But I mean, so, but I do see, you know, if I have to give a speech, I mean, I always have to get ideas when I write about what I should say and how I should approach the speech and all that stuff. Or if I have an environmental conference in Vienna, I start getting ideas. So this is what happens, you know, all the time during writing. Or also when I take a jacuzzi. you know when I sit in the jacuzzi outside our house the fireplace is on and it's burning and the TV is on and I just sit there by myself sometimes with a stogie, sometimes without one and I smoke and all of a sudden great ideas come into my head and it's just fantastic the key thing is just then for me to write it down right away when I get out of the jacuzzi or I would tell my girlfriend remind me of this or remind me of that because it's great ideas that's why I always say when you get away from the phone and when you get away from the ipad or the computer or stuff and you give yourself time to think yeah while you're doing something uh it it produces miracles you know and since i talk about that in the book a lot yeah the key part one of the seven strategies you say is you have to have a vision how you have to imagine how you can be useful You have to plan out being useful.

32:45You have to dream and think big. So don't think when you wake up and yet also do a lot of thinking about how you can be useful. Yeah, visualizing. I think the visualizing is to me always the most important thing because when you see something, then you see it being possible. And you create this energy and this joy to chase this vision. like I remember clearly when I was like you know 15 years old I wanted to be the world champion in bodybuilding because I saw this guy Rich Park being on the big screen as Hercules in the movies and then I saw this magazine this bodybuilding magazine with him on the cover and it said Mr.

33:29Universe becomes Hercules and it showed how he trained, how he became Mr. Universe. So as soon as I saw that and I saw the film I said I want to be like him and I'm going to be like him. And I saw myself on that stage, on the Mr. Universe stage in London where he won the Mr. Universe contest. I saw myself on that stage with his body, but with my face on it. And everyone's screaming in the hall, Arnold, Arnold, Arnold. And, you know, I shared this idea with my parents and they immediately thought that I was insane. You know, so then when I started training and I started putting these pictures of those bodybuilders on the wall for inspiration, now my mother started getting really concerned.

34:22So she called the doctor, our house doctor. There was only one doctor for everything. And so she had him come out to the house, and he came out to the house, and she showed him the wall. And she says, Doctor, where did I go wrong? She says, Look at Arnold. He's having all this naked man on the wall. And there was Sonny Liston, the fighter. There was Yuri Flasov, the weightlifter, the Russian weightlifter. And there was, you know, pictures of bodybuilders and weightlifters and powerlifters and shot putters and all this kind of guys. All the stuff that gave me energy. And Steve Reeves, Reg Park, and those guys would be up there.

35:09But they all were with little trunks and just, you know, kind of sweaty and all. And so my mother said, look at them, all these people up there, all this man, oiled up, naked. I mean, what is going on here? Where did they go wrong? because his friends all have girls on the wall. And so he then kind of had to talk off the ledge. Sure. Because, I mean, he kind of said, look, this is normal. At that age, boys want to be strong and muscular and all this stuff. They're changing into a different kind of a rhythm. And so you have to just understand this whole thing. And there is nothing that you should be concerned about.

35:49And my mother was so excited. I mean, she was crying, literally crying, so worried about which direction I'm going to go and all this kind of stuff. So anyway, so this is, they didn't believe at all in any of that. My father was saying, he says, what are you doing? Looking in the mirror and pumping out your muscles and all this stuff. This is crazy stuff. I mean, why don't you just be useful? Why don't you just do something for other people? Why don't you chop wood? Why don't you carry coal in for the old lady next door? She needs somebody to help them. Why don't you just think about yourself?

36:22And why don't you just always look in the mirror and look at yourself? So there was all of this stuff going on. So they didn't believe in anything that I was doing at that time. So, you know, that's why it is so important to have a vision, because they will discourage you. They will say, no, this is impossible. Why don't you become a skier or a soccer player and you can become a champion in that? Why do you have to pick an American sport? this is just stupid and you know the flexing your muscles and all that stuff remember it's not even a sport and so this is the kind of stuff that I heard and so having a clear vision and then I was able to listen to this and not pay any attention to the naysayers and so I talk about it also in the book about the importance of having a vision and seeing it clearly in front of you and not to listen to the naysayers because the bigger your visions are the bigger your goal is uh you know the more people are going to say to you, this is impossible.

37:20You're not going to be able to do those kind of things. And to me, it was like, I didn't care what they say. It actually gave me fuel and inspired me more to get really in and to show to them that it can be possible that someone from Austria can win the Mr. Universe competition and move to America and become the greatest bodybuilder. So it was kind of like, it gave me that energy and I just followed my dreams. That's what all I was doing. And so when I use this kind of principles for other things then, then I realized I'm on to something. Because I realized that it was this vision that I chased that made me enjoy working out hard in the gym, that made me never ever feel like, oh my God, I have to do another 20 sets or another thousand sit-ups or something like that.

38:07It was always kind of like, I'm looking forward to that because it gets me one step closer to achieving that goal. And so then I said to myself, I do the same thing with show business. And I used the same principles to get into movies. Everyone said it's impossible. You will never be able to do it. And it worked. And the same way it worked also when I ran for governor. So that's why I wanted to put those tools together, because those tools really work. And if you follow them exactly the way I talk about it. Well, more than just giving you energy, the sort of doubt and the criticism or the disbelief, If you tell a story in the book about how that worked out for you quite well financially when you wanted to go from action movies to comedy, and they said a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, that won't work.

38:54We don't want to fund that. Maybe tell us that story. Well, I mean, first they said to me that I can never be an action star or a leading man because of my accent. Sure. and because of my body is overdeveloped and because my name no one can pronounce. So there was all those reasons why it was no, it can't be done. And then when I proved to them that I could do it and all of a sudden I was doing a show with Lucille Ball, a TV show. Then I was doing Stay Hungry, the movie with Jeff Bridges and Sally Fields. Then we were doing Pumping Iron and then, you know, San Francisco and the villain with Kirk Douglas and then eventually Conan the Barbarian.

39:43And then all of a sudden, you know, I was taking off as the action hero in the 80s. It was like, bang, it was taking off. It was Terminator, then was Terminator 2 and Eraser and Red Heat and on and on and on, all of these movies. And then, of course, when I have arrived and now I am this big action star that is getting$20 million a movie. I now said, well, I don't want to just do action movies. My vision expanded. I wanted to do also comedy. Yeah. Just like you said. But the studio said, why would we do that? Why would we finance a movie that we don't know if it ever would make money when we have a guarantee with the action movies?

40:31Why don't we do a Commander number two and a Predator number two and a Terminator number three and all of those kind of things and keep doing action movies? And I said, because I would like to try to do a comedy and do something different, and they wouldn't go for it. And so then Ivan Reitman, who directed Ghostbusters, came to me and says, look, I see that you have a great sense of humor, and I think that we can develop something for you. Let me think about it. And he developed Twins. And he then came up with the idea with Danny DeVito. And because he was now involved, a comedy director that just released the biggest movie, comedy movie, Ghostbusters, they believed him and they said, OK, we go with it.

41:21And so we made a deal with Universal Studio. And we said to them, I said, you don't have to go and take much risk because none of us would take a salary. I would not take my regular salary. Danny DeBito would not take his salary, nor would Ivan Reitman. But in return, we want to get 37.5 % ownership of the movie. And they went for it. They said, great, we don't have any risk. It costs us to shoot the movie$16.5 million, and then we don't have to pay any salaries. So yeah, there's very little risk involved. We do it. And they did it. And we ended up making more money on that movie. I mean, because it was the first movie that ever made over$100 million in the box office.

42:06It made$128 million domestically. And it made$280 million or something internationally, worldwide. So, I mean, so there you imagine now you own 37%. And we divided it up according to our salaries. So I made a lot of money on that movie. It was fantastic.

42:31I was in absolute heaven. And then after that, typical Hollywood, they're copycats. They immediately, then other studios say, well, we want to do, here's a great comedy. And they sent me then to do a kindergarten cop. And then it was Junior. And then after that, it was True Lies with Jim Cameron, with Jamie Lee Curtis. and thank you. But anyway, so then all of a sudden I got offers for comedy and for action movies. But it's always like that. You always have to fight and you always have to kind of believe in yourself. I totally believed that I could be in the movies and I could be a leading man.

43:14I felt that then when I was doing that, that I could become an action hero and also a leading man in comedies. And I did that, so I was really happy about that. But I'll tell you one thing. No matter what we talk about here, with all of those principles and everything like that, the bottom line is only in America. Yes. I swear to you, only in America. Because every single thing that I've ever achieved in my life, if it was in bodybuilding or in show business or with the governorship or with the USC Schwarzenegger Institute or my environmental kind of events that I have worldwide. It is like I'm only being able to do those kind of things by being here in America and building myself up because America is truly, I've seen it firsthand, the number one country with the greatest opportunities in the world.

44:16And I can always... Thank you. And I can tell you all that I travel all over the world. And people come up to me all the time and say, even today, as much trouble as we have. But people come up to me and say, can you please help me get to America? Please, can you help me write a letter for immigration service so I can get my visa? There's no one ever that came to me and says, can you help me get into Russia?

44:53can you help me get into China can you help me to get into the Middle East can you help me to get to South Africa or you know or any of those places everyone no matter where I go in the world still the day they come up to me and say can you help me get to America so this is still the most desired place in the world people know and it's still the day that the same opportunities that I had way back 50 years ago when I came over to this country, 55 years ago, actually. And I see it all the time. I mean, these guys coming over from France and from England or from Germany or from Israel or from wherever, they come over and they become trainers in Gold's Gym.

45:38And all of a sudden, I see them driving away with a Bentley. I say, what the hell happened? Two years ago, he came to me and he says, can you help me get a job here as a trainer? And now the guy is getting$100 an hour. He works 15 hours a day and adds that up. And he's driving around nice, beautiful sports cars. He's a Jaguar and he has a Bentley. And I said to myself, this is what is going on here in this country. Nowhere else. You can go to Austria and be a trainer all you want. You're never going to drive your Bentley. You're never going to drive your Jaguar. That I can guarantee you. So this is a, people should just know because there's so many Americans that don't understand how an immigrant feels about America and why we love to come over here because it is the greatest place in the world.

46:27Does that opportunity and those privileges, does that come back into the idea of being useful, that there's a debt that comes along with everything that it means to be an American and we are obligated to try to be useful back in return? It's a very good question because I think that I write about that in a book because I got so much help when I came over to this country. I had Joe Weider, who was the publisher of the Muscle Magazines, send me the ticket, brought me to America. I had people literally when I came to this country and I lived in this apartment, this one bedroom apartment with nothing in it.

47:14It was furnished, but there was nothing in it. They brought me bodybuilders, brought me from the gym dishes and silverware. They brought me a black and white TV. They brought me sheets, pillows, and all of this kind of stuff. It was absolutely extraordinary. even a radio on the side of my bed. You gave me this beautiful radio that I still have today on my hand table. But it was just amazing to see that kind of a warm reception in the country. And it made me feel so good. And I remember they took me, I came over here like two weeks before Thanksgiving. I didn't even know what Thanksgiving was. and they took me to their home and they fed me and had this wonderful meal and they were telling me about the history of Thanksgiving and all this.

48:07So I realized that I'm getting so much and so many opportunities in America that eventually you get to that place where you say, I have to give something back. And so I remember I started up with Special Olympics to become a trainer. I used what my talent was, which was I knew about training. So I trained Special Olympians and helped them to start with powerlifting.

48:38And we started the powerlifting not only in America for Special Olympics, but worldwide. And so this was a huge, huge hit. And then because of that work that I did, President Bush asked me to become the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness. so I traveled through all 50 states in the United States to promote health and fitness amongst our youngsters in school in public schools and that was a really fantastic and then I that's what made me aware of that we need after school programs and I saw those kids roaming around after three o 'clock when the school was over and I realized that between three and six o 'clock in the afternoon is the danger zone for kids because there's no one home.

49:25But, you know, 70 % of the kids come from homes where both of the parents are working. So there's no one taking care of those kids. So I felt like the only solution is that to extend the school day and to create after school programs. And so I started creating a foundation and an organization. And this was like 30 years ago. and I started really working very hard and then passing an initiative in California to get an extra$500 million for after school programs to help those kids because they say this is the danger zone between three and six is where juvenile crime happens this is where teenage pregnancy happens where kids get involved with drugs, with gangs with violence and all this and it costs society a lot of money when those kids get incarcerated at that age and so we can do better than that, as a matter of fact, the Rose Institute in California did a study where they said for every dollar we put in an after-school program, we gain$6, we save$6 down the line.

50:30So it just shows you. So I went to the legislators, we saw that idea, we got$500 million in California extra for after-school programs. I'm raising worldwide money for this cause. So, matter of fact, we had just this last weekend on Saturday, we had Oktoberfest in their house. It was a fundraiser. It was a poker tournament where we invited 40 poker players with their wives. And they came and they paid$50 each, which was like$2 million. And then we auctioned off items, movie items of mine and other items that people donated. and we raised$7 million for after-school programs for our children. So to me, giving back and doing something for your neighborhood, for your city, for your country is always important.

51:28That's what led me actually eventually to run for governor and become governor of the state of California. Even though people say, are you crazy? I mean, you make$20 million a movie and you're going to turn down this$20 million, two movies a year, and you're going to be stuck in Sacramento for seven years. This is insane. But, you know, I didn't think that way because I said to myself, the money that I've made, I made because of America. So it was time to give something back and so it didn't bother me at all. To take myself out of circulation for seven years and to run the state of California and I felt like honored.

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54:06And it was one of those things that I talk about, that when you recognize that you're not a self-made man, because everyone always says Arnold is the perfect example of a self-made man. I would say, no, you can call me anything you want, but not self-made man. because just along the governorship, 5.8 million people voted for me. How can I say I'm a self-made man? I didn't make myself governor. It's not a dictatorship or something like that. It was, they voted, the people voted for me. So there's 5.8 million people right there that helped me become who I am. And so the same thing is with everything in bodybuilding, in show business.

54:44Imagine what would I have done if I wouldn't have had John Milius who did Conan the Barbarian, or Jim Cameron who did the Terminator movies, or, you know, Ivan Reitman that said, okay, yeah, he would be perfect for comedy. So there's so many directors. I mean, John McTernan who did The Predator and all his movies. I mean, those directors made me. Without a great director, you're nothing. And then I've had some bad directors and the movie went right in the toilet. You know, so I can tell you, directors is a very important script. Whip driders are very important. The people, all these people on the set, on the movie set, there's 300 people on the movie set.

55:24They all help you. One is the electrician. One is the focus puller. One puts the cameras together. One helps you with the wardrobe noise. How can I say I'm a self-made man? It's crazy. So when you realize you're not a self-made man, then you realize also that you have to give something back because everyone is helping you to be where you are. So now it's time for you to help also others. And so that's why I have become kind of like a fanatic about giving something back and doing something for the American people.

56:00We have some audience questions, but selfishly before we get into that, I wanted to ask you, I've got two young kids. How do you think about raising kids to be useful? How do you teach some of these lessons early on? Well, I tell you that we took our kids, Maria and I, we took our kids to the Special Olympic events. And the kids came to the White House when we had the Great American Workout on the south lawn of the White House. And they always were there. Or when we go out and hand out food or when I go, for instance, to have events where we hand out turkey for the poor people in East Los Angeles.

56:40we go to the hollandbeck center i take my kids with me and they help me hand out the turkey that is in the plastic bag to those people and they help me organize everything so i think the key thing is is that to explain the kids that this is a very important part my wife still today all the time takes the kids down to church to feed the homeless people and all this kind of stuff so i think that you just they have to see you do it and then they will ask questions why do you do that and I said well look at this these are poor people they have no money for food so it's important that we help them to get food to them and all this stuff and I did the same thing like for instance with the children from the after school programs when we had the pandemic and the schools were closed I told the kids I said what we're going to do is instead of using the money for after school programs right now since schools are closed let's go and put food together for the poor people in East LA and in South Central.

57:43And let's go and deliver food. We organized trucks. And those kids were all working to put the food together for them and the apples and the bananas and this and that. And we put those bags together. And it was fantastic to see 20, 30 kids in this room packing up everything, you know, with their little masks on and all this stuff, but packing up everything, jumping into the van, and then some grown-up would then drive them around to these various different homes and deliver food. So this is how kids learn. They see that this is important that we help one another and I always tell people, I say, don't ever give me this line.

58:20The most common line you always hear with people is kind of like, well, I don't have time to work out, which we know is bogus, right, because we have 24 hours a day. Sure. And then also like, well, what can I do? I mean, I don't have anything. I'm not rich. I cannot donate money to a charity or something like that. And I said, well, have you ever thought about that maybe you're a good reader? Maybe you want to go to an after-school program and tutor reading because what the after-school programs are all about is to help kids after school and to tutor them and to help them with their homework and to give them homework assistance.

58:57So I said, you can go to any school and you can help them with the reading, with the writing, maybe math or something. You have some skills. I said, you can help people when there is election day to drive them to the polls so that they can vote. There's endless amount of things that we can do where we can reach out and help. I said, so get your act together and just do it. You don't have to always say, well, what can I do? This is nonsense. Every single one can participate in that and can do something about it. And I always tell people, don't sit in front of the TV. and complain how terrible things are out there in the world.

59:36Because I always say to them, I say, what do you do about it? When my kids go to me and she says, oh, God, isn't it terrible? Look at all these homeless in Los Angeles. And I said, and? What are we going to do about it? What are you doing about it? I said, I already created 25 homes for homeless veterans in Los Angeles that I bought the homes, the miniature homes, so they have a place to live in the bedroom and a place to live. I said, I created 25. I said to help 25 people, I said, what are you doing? And so this is what this is all about. It's like, let's go out and do something. What can you do?

1:00:19And, you know, it was a video. You probably saw it. I was a man in the street that goes up our house. They had those hoars, those putthores. for months. And I said, I called the city and I said, when are you guys fixing that? Oh, this is a special service hall. Still, we need to keep it open. It's bullshit, right? I mean, it's like typical city nonsense. So I said, well, this is now three months already that we have those halls. When are you going to go and close it up? Well, we still, you know, there's a lot of things the damage because of the rain and all that stuff and they had excuses and excuses so i went out and just because i used to do construction work with frank colombo which i write about in the book you know that even though i was mr universe and mr olympia i was still doing construction work to make a living because in bodybuilding there was no money at that time so but in any case the bottom is i know how to do construction so i went out and got asphalt bought the asphalt got my friend got a shovel and we started paving those holes filling up those holes it was five six huge holes where bicycle riders were wiping out and then all of a sudden the city said uh well it was not done correctly then I said okay I think it was done totally correctly I said and if you want to proof upon it as you come out and fix it.

1:01:52Well, they came out the next day, they checked it out, and they realized that it was done perfectly. They didn't touch it, they didn't touch anything, and here we were, we were paving the things, and we were fixing the roads without going and complaining about it and whining, oh, the city's not doing this, and the city's not. Yeah, they're idiots for not doing it, and they're lazy bums for not doing it, but I mean, and they had all kinds of excuses but I mean the bottom line is I did it I went out and did it myself with the age of 76 I went and shuffled and I fixed the road they did the same thing in Sun Valley because that's what it's about let's not complain let's just think about what can we do to change things and make things better that's what it's all about what's the worst advice you've ever received You know, I cannot think of any worst advice that I've ever received.

1:02:46I just remember that I received bad advice with an investment. That was the first investment that I made when I came to the United States, which was to buy land in the Antelope Valley, where they're supposed to build a supersonic airport. so I said to myself okay I saw it here in the papers that the plan is to build a supersonic airport which is around 60-70 miles away from Los Angeles so you know the end of the valley it's near Lancaster in California and so I bought land there for I think it was $15 ,000 so I had$5 ,000 and I put that down and the rest of it I paid off And then all of a sudden, two years later, they decided that they would never build the supersonic airport because it was against the law to create supersonic booms over land.

1:03:51You can only do it over the ocean. And so this whole idea of supersonic airports and airplanes was out the window. And so the guy came to me that sold me the land and said to me, he says, I think that the only way you wouldn't lose money on that one is if you keep it for your grandchildren. So I was like, okay, I don't need the money. I don't need to sell it. I said, you know, at that point, I was like, kind of like making new money. And so I kept it. And so this $15 ,000 property is now worth$1.5 million after all of these years. But it took 55 years. But I can say it is the worst of worst advice that I've gotten.

1:04:38And I still made money on the whole thing. OK, so I never, ever lost any money on any investment. I don't know for sure. So given that and given the extraordinary success you had, what keeps you motivated to do new stuff, to write books, to start new initiatives? What keeps you going? Well, it's exactly that. And what you just said to me, it's like, you know, there's a story. that I talk about in a book about this guy Hillary that climbed Mount Everest. And one of the things that caught my attention was because when he climbed Mount Everest, he was the first human being to climb Mount Everest, he's up there on his peak.

1:05:19And then when he comes back down, he's being asked by everybody. I said, what did you think about when you were up there? I mean, wasn't that a great feeling and all this stuff? And he said, I looked out and I saw another peak. And I said to myself, I wonder what it would be like to climb that peak. And so that says it all. It's like I have always believed in a philosophy of staying hungry. So to me, as soon as I climb a peak, as soon as I accomplish something, I always feel like okay what's the next thing I can do and so there's always a set course that have certain visions in front of me that chase this vision it's like going in from Mr.

1:06:09Universe to go to become an action star to go to comedies to go to charity events and to run for governor and to create environmental conferences to do the things with the after school programs then I did you know some commencement speeches and then all of a sudden people came to me and says this was the most fantastic thing that he did this commencement speech and he gave the students all these tools for success you should write a book so I of course I ignored that for 10 years but then eventually I said to myself you know maybe I should do it because I do travel around the world and I talk about and give success speeches and give speeches about pumping people up and motivating them and letting everyone know that everyone can be successful or more successful and happy and fulfilled if you follow certain rules.

1:07:01And so this is exactly what I do. I went after this book and I said to myself, I got to get help for that. So I started doing research on it, on self-help books and the motivational books and all that. And I started looking for the right publisher. and we started making phone calls and all this. So this was the new goal. I got to have a motivational book. And all of a sudden, this was the most important thing. I got to go out and help people, motivate them, fire them up, and let them know that they can do it. It doesn't matter how poor you are, how old you are. If you're a woman or a man, this, black or white, everyone can be more successful.

1:07:43And then write about that and what are the tools. and so this is I think I became obsessed about that and so that's when I started working on this book and the book now is out and now I'm around there's one chapter in the book that says sell, sell, sell and that's what I'm doing now you see what I'm saying that's what I'm doing now I'm traveling around the world and And the publisher, I mean, they are very smart people. And they know that you have to make the money back because it's a huge investment to publish a book like that. And so they say, OK, here we give you a publicity schedule and the marketing schedule and the promotional tour schedule and all of that stuff.

1:08:42So you work with all of that. And then you go around and you start promoting, having autographing sessions for the book and doing publicity, doing interviews and all this kind of stuff. And it's a lot of fun. And I am one of those people that doesn't dislike doing this kind of work because, as I said in this book, you can have the best product in the world, but if the world doesn't know about it, you have nothing. You have absolutely nothing. So this is why it is important that when we have something that is really good, go and let the world know. And today there are so many ways of letting the world know.

1:09:18And so that's what I'm doing right now, doing the various different interviews and talk shows and news stations and all of this stuff. And talking to you all here. And so it has been a lot of fun. And I really enjoy it. Every moment of it. Because, again, I see everyone in the world having this book in their hand. That's what my vision is. And so, therefore, I'm out there and promoting. I'm out there talking about it and all that stuff. And it has been a lot of fun because there's a reason, you know, when you sit down for an interview and you may be exhausted and you're tired that you don't say to yourself, I'll have to do another interview.

1:09:56No, I'm looking forward to it. I can reach with this interview another few million people and with this interview another few million people. So there's great enthusiasm and fun. And, you know, all these people you meet on the road, it's fun anyway. So I've been having a great time with all of that. Well, you're infectious. The book is amazing. And thank you so much. And thank you all for coming. Have a great day. Thank you.

1:10:24Thank you.

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