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24 Jul 2026 · 6m · 2 chapters

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BONUS | Made For Working Together

In short

Stoic motivation to get out of bed by remembering humans are made for socially useful work and cooperation, including working with difficult people, not just personal comfort.

Guest(s)

None. The host speaks directly and cites translations/editions of Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations 8.12 (Robin Waterfield; Hays translation).

Key claims

Sleeping is shared with irrational animals; human fulfillment comes from rendering works held in common and contributing to the common good. Even obstacles and annoying people should be used to produce positive contributions.

Notable examples

Renting out a house in East Austin (Airbnb) to cover a mortgage while transitioning from marketing to writing; practical “socially useful work” examples like being nice, writing, helping, teaching kids, picking up trash, voting, donating time, and making the place better than found.

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Chapters

0:00

The Journey to Writing

Learn how personal experiences shaped the host's transition from marketing to writing.

“I'm on the road for these daily stoic talks I'm doing.”
1:20

The Purpose of Socially Useful Work

Explore how the Stoics view our responsibilities towards others and the value of cooperation.

“And a quote comes to us from Marcus Aurelius' Meditations 812.”
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0:28I'm on the road for these daily stoic talks I'm doing. This little house in East Austin, we would book it out when we were out of town, which is what Airbnb is so great at. And then when we moved out to the country, I would write at it during the week and book it out on the weekends. And that's how we helped cover the mortgage. That's how I was able to make the transition from a marketing person to a writer. Wherever you live, but especially if you live in a city that's hosting a bunch of events this summer or you're traveling, you should think about listing your house or apartment or condo on Airbnb.

0:56It might be worth more than you think. And you can find out how much at airbnb.com slash host. Welcome to the Daily Stoic podcast, designed to help bring those four key stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. Made for working together. This is an entry from the Daily Stoic. And a quote comes to us from Marcus Aurelius' Meditations 812. Whenever you have trouble getting up in the morning, remind yourself that you have been made by nature for the purpose of working with others, whereas even unthinking animals share sleeping, and it's our own natural purpose that is more fitting and satisfying.

1:39If a dog spends all day in bed, your bed most likely, that's fine. It's just being a dog. It doesn't have anywhere to be, no other obligations other than being itself. But according to the Stoics, we have a higher obligation as humans, not to the gods, but to each other. What gets us out of bed each morning, even if we fight it like Marcus sometimes did, is to render works held in common. Civilization and country are great projects we build together and have been building together with our ancestors for millennia. We are made for cooperation with each other. So if you need an extra boost to get out of bed this morning, if you need something more than caffeine can offer, use this.

2:21People are depending on you. Your purpose is to help us render this great work together. And we're waiting and we're excited for you to show up. Let's look at the Hayes translation of that real quick. Hayes says, as part of 812, let's see here. Hayes says, so when you have trouble getting out of bed in the morning, remember that what defines a human being is to work with others. Even animals know how to sleep. And it's the characteristic activity that's the more natural one, more innate and more satisfying. Let's look at the great Robin Waterfield translation in his annotated edition, which I highly recommend and enjoy quite a bit.

3:02We pull up 812. He says, whenever you find it difficult to wake up, remind yourself that doing socially useful work is proper to your constitution and your humanity, while sleeping is something you share with irrational animals as well. And anything that's proper to an individual's nature has a greater affinity to him and is second nature to him, and moreover, is more refreshing. I love that. I think the idea socially useful work, right? So when the Stoics talk about politics, I don't think they always mean running for office. And when they talk about the common good, I don't think they necessarily always mean charity.

3:40They mean socially useful work. Are you contributing to society? Are you making the world a better place. There's a sign over on this track that I like to run on that was put up by Hollywood Henderson. I think I've said this story before, but he put up a sign that says, leave this place better than you found it. And I think that's a great rule for life. It's interesting though, to me, Marcus talks a lot about struggling to get out of bed in the morning. It's clearly a common theme. And then he also talks a lot about working with difficult people. So maybe the difficult people are like, oh, I gotta go do this again.

4:14You know, he was an introvert. He preferred philosophy, preferred ideas to people necessarily. But he knew that it was inescapable, that as a human being, as a philosopher, as a leader, as a politician, his job was to work with these difficult people, to find a way to contribute, to find a way to make them better, to find a way to put them to productive or socially useful ends. And that's what we have to remember today. Obviously, you're up or you wouldn't be listening to this, but how are you going to provide socially useful work today? How are you going to make do with difficult people? How are you going to put up with them?

4:53As Marcus Aurelius says, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, that even the famous obstacles away passage is about that, is about dealing with the people who obstruct us and annoy us and frustrate us and finding a way to make a positive contribution to the world in spite of, with, through, because of them, for them. That's what we're here for. That's the work that we're here for. That's our purpose. Animals can sleep around. You know, maybe some people aren't going to seize that potential, but that's their call. We're not going to reject the opportunity. We're going to take advantage of it.

5:29We're going to make a positive contribution, a socially useful contribution, big or small. You don't have to be Winston Churchill or Gandhi to make the world a little better, to leave this place a little better than you found it. Be nice to someone. Write something. Help someone. Teach your kids something. Pick up trash that you see by the side of the road. Vote, right? Contribute to a cause. Donate time. Whatever it is, do some socially useful work today. Make a positive contribution and realize that this is what you got out of bed for. This is what you were put here for. This is the work of a human being, the Stokes would say.

6:10So go to it, seize it, love it, appreciate it. Fucking crush it, man. That's my message for today. I wish you all the best. Talk soon.

6:31Thank you.

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According to the Stoics, we humans have a higher obligation—not to the gods but to each other. 


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