Stoic Lessons From The Worst Day In The World

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1:05Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic Podcast. On Sundays, we take a deeper dive into these ancient topics with excerpts from the Stoic texts, audiobooks that we like here or recommend here at Daily Stoic, and other long-form wisdom that you can chew on on this relaxing weekend. We hope this helps shape your understanding of this philosophy, and most importantly, that you're able to apply it to your actual life. Thank you for listening.

1:44Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast. You know, the day it started so good, and it ended beautifully as well. But somewhere in the middle, it turned into an unmitigated disaster. Somewhat, but only somewhat hyperbolically, I'm calling today's episode Stoic Lessons from the World's Worst Day. And I understand it wasn't anywhere near the world's worst day, which is, of course, I think also itself a little bit of a Stoic exercise, but we'll talk about that more later. Let me take you back to the beginning. Earlier this week, I got up early before the sun was up, before my family was up, let the dog out, got dressed, put in my headphones, and took the dog out for a walk on the dirt roads where we live.

2:36I watched the sun come up. We were moving. Who was I listening to? I think I was listening to Tyler Chiders. It's this great song called Universal Sound. Just vibing. I come home, cook the kids breakfast, get them ready for school. Not for school. I take them to summer camp in Austin, drop them off at eight. And then I go for a run in one of my favorite places in Texas, McKinney Falls State Park. I'm running through the woods. You know, it's early morning, but it's shaded and you're running over waterfalls, you're running on these dirt trails sort of carved out of the forest. There's cedar and oak and ruins of an old farmhouse.

3:21I have a lovely about six or so mile run, wash myself off in the river a little bit, splash some water on my face. And then I get in the car and I drive to the airport. Everything is going well up until this point, except as I'm driving to the airport, I check my flight number in Delta, and here we are delayed at least 30 minutes. Now, I have a tight travel day. I don't normally travel this way, but the alternative was spend two nights in Louisville, Kentucky for one hour of work. I was doing a talk to a group there in the evening, and I could spend two nights away from my family, or I could drop my kids off at camp this way and go straight to the airport.

4:07Am I somewhat sympathetic to the person who was going to have to sit next to me or did have to sit next to me on the plane and then after that they were sitting next to someone who went running? But no, I went for the jog first because I knew it was going to be a crazy day and exercise helps me regulate. So I was trying to be proactive. I knew that once I landed, I was supposed to land in Cincinnati, a driver would take me about 90 minutes into Louisville and then I'd have about two, two and a half hours. I could take a shower in the hotel room, get ready, go over my slides, and then go down to the conference center and give my talk.

4:40So I knew that was going to be tight. And I decided, you know what, I'll get the run done in the morning. So I went for this beautiful run on the trails, headed to the airport, and then already the delays start. Oh, great. Okay. So there's still enough time. I'm the last speaker so they can push the event a little bit. I'm not going to cause problems. Get to the airport. I'm just going through security. Actually, things are still going decently well. There's no line at clear pre-check. The Austin airport's under construction. So all the clear and pre-check sort of security is all crammed into one in the middle.

5:12It can get pretty overwhelmed. I go show my boarding pass, whatever. And then I go to take my AirPods out, to put them in the AirPod case. And I noticed it's not in my pocket. I thought I'd felt them in there, but no, that was my sunglasses and the car key. So I forgot my AirPods case in the car and I check my phone and yeah, that's where it is. The AirPods and the case are separated. I go, oh great, this is whatever. Thankfully, I have a backup pair of just regular headphones in there for when they inevitably die. I go through security. I grab some breakfast tacos. I sit down, delayed again, delayed again, and it's starting to pile up.

5:51So I call my speaking agent. I go, guys, I think we got to get on another flight. I'm starting to get nervous. This isn't going to work. And so they start scrambling and looking because it keeps getting delayed. It's the plane I'm supposed to be on has been sitting still in Cincinnati. It's supposed to fly to Austin and then fly back to Cincinnati. It's just been sitting there. And it's every few minutes Delta's texting a new updated, another 30 minutes, another 30 minutes. And when they're exactly 30 minutes, do you know what that means? It means they have no idea what the fuck's happening and they are just stringing you along.

6:21So it's going to be at least two and a half to three hours of waiting. So you think you're going to get there at a certain time. You think you've got a plan and a backup plan. But I just didn't know how many more delays were in front of me at that moment. So I go back to the car and get the AirPods. And then I'm walking back and my speaking agent calls me and he is Zach. I work with this company called Vayner, who's great. He goes, hey, have you gone through security yet? And I go, no. And he goes, hang on, we might be having you drive to dallas go drive to dallas he says yeah you're probably gonna have to drive to dallas which is about three hours and 20 minutes exactly you can catch this 2 30 p.m flight to louisville directly and uh that might get you there i go okay but you know that's exact like we got a few minutes to decide here and he goes okay let me check one more thing and then as we're on the phone he goes oh no good news the flight just took off from cincinnati i think it's going to be better for you to stay.

7:21He goes, let me check. I go, okay. You got like three minutes because the time is ticking down. It's going to take, I got to get gas. I've never flown out of the Dallas airport from like my own car. It's an unfamiliar airport to me in that way. He goes, okay, you know what? Scratch the Dallas thing. Go through security. So I start going through security. Boom. Cincinnati flight actually didn't take off. False alarm. Still on the runway. It doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon. And now the Dallas route is logistically impossible. Is there any way to get there? I've got about a thousand people who are going to see me talk in Louisville.

7:59They've already paid. The event's built around it. It is, you know, not great. So I sit down and I go, look, you figure it out. I'm going to sit here. And I wrote some daily stoic emails, wrote a daily dad email, started researching for the book that I'm working on. this is the alive time dead time for me right this is the i think one of the first stoic lessons actually the the first stoic lesson was don't get rattled and we should have gone with the bird in the hand i probably just should have driven to dallas one of the hard parts in crises or high stress situations is you got to make a decision and stick with it the problem is when you second guess and uh hope was a little blinding there to the speaking folks turned out it hadn't actually said that it'd taken off it was taxing to take off but it was bullshit uh so i I should have done the Dallas thing, but I didn't.

8:45So now I'm back at the airport. I'm going to use this time. So I sit and I write, I eat, I hang out, call my wife. As it happens, one of my son's friends from school, I notice this little kid in the backpack. Oh, hey, I know who that is. Talk to the mom a little bit. Just, you know, doing my thing as they are scrambling and scrambling. And then what happens? Someone on my team quits. On the brass check team, no one is pleased. So now we've got this employment issue. I have to talk to a lawyer to get final paperwork done. And it's stressful. Is this going to end amicably or not amicably? Who's at fault?

9:23Samantha and I are having some tense conversations about it, which isn't fun. I think we do a pretty good job sort of going, hey, no, we're on the same team here. And I think we handled that. But that was stressful and not fun. Just things are going wrong left and right, delay after delay after delay. And now my agent is scrambling, can I fly somewhere in the remote vicinity of Louisville and take a helicopter? Or are there private options, which, you know, I hate doing. I hate doing it because it's bad for your brain, like to fly private. It inflates the ego. It's not good to have a pilot taking just you around.

10:01But it's also not good from an environmental standpoint. It's like every piece of trash I've ever picked up, the solar panels on my house, everything environmentally conscious I've ever done in my life is immediately eradicated the second you step on a private plane. That's how inefficient they are. but you know i have a contract and we have we have made a promise i've given my word i will be at a place we're scrambling to have to do that looks like helicopters are out at the last minute but if i can catch this last minute southwest flight to nashville i can then take a car from nashville to the private airport in nashville and then a small plane can take me from nashville to Louisville.

10:43So that's the option. I make the Southwest flight. I get recognized in line by a very nice guy who lives in Nashville. But meanwhile, I'm on the phone with Samantha and Brent, my partner. What do we do about this? We got to wrap this up, you know, handling this exit, which is, you know, going to be a nightmare for a bunch of different reasons to say nothing of the fact that we need someone in this role. And we have been through a lot of people in this role in a short amount of time. So there's frustration there. I'm trying to be nice to this friend, trying to focus on whether I'm going to make my flight, trying not to let my anxiety about making the flight and making the gig exacerbate the employment situation, get on the flight.

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15:22Land in Nashville and the driver texts, go down to baggage claim. You'll see signs. Do they say what signs or where I'm supposed to go? No, they do not. So now it's a whole thing about finding the driver. I do find the driver. She's a lovely lady. She drives me about five minutes down the road. I get to the airport. I walk in. So basically it's like a 35, 40 minute flight. and if I change on the plane, run off the plane to the car, take it to this event center, I can basically walk from the car onto the stage, give the talk, and the people will have only been waiting like 15 minutes or something like that.

16:05So basically I can just make it. I get there, give them the tail number of the plane and they go, okay, it'll just be a minute. And I go, okay. and I walk over to grab some water and then I come back and he goes, sir, there's a problem with the plane. Call the broker. Are you fucking kidding me? There was some mechanical issue that is going to take an indeterminate amount of time to fix. So, you know what? I'm going to use this time. I'll get dressed here. So go into the bathroom of the small private airport and I get dressed. I got my speaking clothes. Now, again, I still have not showered from my run this morning.

16:44And I did, I guess I took a whore bath in the truck at the airport in Austin with baby wipes. But now I've been traveling. It's several hours later. This is not the ideal freshness you want to be bringing to a performance. No, usually I like to shower and shave and get cleaned up. I have a chapter in discipline about like sort of presentability. It's not for them, it's for you. The freshness is for you. The spit and polish is for you. So I do the best I can. And I come back out and now the pilot's there. And he goes, hey, sir, look, there's a mechanical issue. We're working on it. We've had someone come out, going as fast as we can.

17:23I think we've fixed it, but it's going to be at least 30 or so minutes before we're cleared. He goes, but you should be able to make it right. And I go, well, what time do you think I need to be there? And he's like, oh, I don't know. And we start to go through it. And now I'm going to be late from the private plane that they've booked at great expense. And I didn't even conceive, of course, which is on me. This is pre-Meditashim Malorum. Of course, this travel can be delayed and be just as inconvenient and frustrating as, you know, your spirit airline's flight. Things go wrong everywhere. It doesn't matter how much money you have.

17:59It doesn't matter how well you plan. Things go wrong. Metal tubes that are hurled through the sky are miracles, but they are fragile miracles. And so I just have to wait. I have to accept this. call my wife, do a little repair from our argument earlier, get dressed. And then I just, you know, I just sit there and people watch the absurdity of this airport I'm at. I can hear the employees talking. The private airport's pretty busy because people are flying in or flying to Coldplay concerts. Just the absurdity of a private plane to attend a concert is a life I do not understand. But then again, what I'm telling you is pretty absurd.

18:39I will just say I was not paying here and I would not have paid out of my own pocket, could not have paid out of my own pocket. The pilot comes back after 30 minutes and goes, hey, we fixed most of it. Here's the thing. Do you need to use the bathroom? I go, no, I just went to the bathroom. And he says, no, no, on the plane. The laboratory is one of the technical issues. I go, are you kidding me? It's a 30 minute flight. Do not delay this any longer to fix the bathroom. I do not care. And he goes, oh, Okay, well, then we can be ready to go in a few minutes. We just got to get, you know, a van to take you down to the plane.

19:10I go, dude, I will sprint to the plane. There's people waiting for me. This is defeating the whole purpose. And then I have to catch myself and I go, sir, do what you got to do. Because I do not want you rushing, fixing a plane. I do not want you thinking that I'm going to be upset and call your boss or going to cause trouble for you. This is why private planes probably crash. is that there are angry, entitled customers. So I say, look, take your time, do what you need to do. Just please get me there safely as soon as you can. Says you got it. Wait for the little van, because apparently the plane is now in the hangar on the other side of the airport.

19:50Get in the plane, give me the safety briefing. Sit down. Starts walking me through the snacks. I don't care about the snacks, I just have to get there. We take off. Although first, we sit on the runway, because now it's busy. Things have backed up. It's ticking and ticking away. And it is now well past the point I should have landed in Louisville. And we have yet to even take off. Eventually, we do take off. I sit and I read. I'm reading Elaine Weiss's book, Spell Freedom, about the sort of schools that trained the civil rights activists. She wrote a wonderful book called The Women's Hour, which I have loved and raped about.

20:27It informed part two of Right Thing Right Now. It's got some reading in again, Alive Time, Dead Time. So we land finally in Louisville. Drivers on the tarmac get in the car, drive about 20 feet, come to a complete stop. There is an ambulance sitting in front of the gate to leave. I don't know if there's a medical emergency. I don't know if it's a backup ambulance. But now we have to wait for this ambulance to do its thing. Again, tick, tick, tick, ticking away. This is just going on and on and on. Finally, the ambulance moves. We make our way to the venue. I'm texting the people doing the talk.

21:06Hey, I'm on my way. I should be there in 13 minutes. All I have to do is go to the bathroom because again, couldn't go on the plane. I got to do is take a piss and I am ready to go on stage. They go, awesome. And then you know what they said? They said, do you have your slides, by the way? Do you have a flash drive for your slides? Now I send these in the day before, two days before they have the slides. This is not the time to be discussing the slides. I go, no, you guys definitely have them. The team already sent them over, but here they are again, just in case. I went through my email. I texted it to them.

21:41Okay. Pull up 12 minutes later, get out of the car. Very nice. Running with my bags. And they go, and what about the slides? I go, what do you mean? What about the slides? I just told you, you already have them. And I sent them to you again, 15 minutes ago. Oh, okay. Well, we'll figure it out. Rushing upstairs, get there, they're micing me up. Event organizer comes over. Okay, there's a band on stage. They've been stalling. They're about to play your video. So they play an intro video and then they say, then the band is going to play 20 seconds of Iron Maidens, the Trooper. Pretty cool. And then you go on.

22:16And I go, okay, what about the clicker? He goes, clicker, you don't have any slides. I go, I definitely have slides. I've talked to so many people about this now. What are you talking about? I can't go up without the slide. That is the talk. And then the band starts to play Iron Maiden. So I have a choice in this moment. Do I want to hit pause for this audience again? Do I want to cause more problems? Or when we talk about the obstacle being the way, we mean it's in moments like this where you are forced outside of your comfort zone that you either step up or you don't. And I said, you know what?

22:48I'm going to do it without slides. You try to figure it out on your end. I'm going to do what I can do. And I get up there and I have to give 30, 40 minute talk extemporaneously off the cuff, no slides. Now, look, the slides are partly for me, right? So I can know what I'm saying, but they're also for the audience. If I'm going to give a talk with no slides, I'm going to give a very different talk that has to be much more performative and vivid because I don't have reminders, visuals behind me. Now, I'm not prepared to do that because I prepared a very specific talk for this group with images.

23:22But I decided to say, hey, technical difficulties happen. The question is, am I prepared? Am I able to roll with that? And how, given that this has been a disaster after disaster after disaster, it can't get any worse than it currently is. I'm going to roll with it. I'm going to see what I can do. So I give the talk and I think I do pretty good. About halfway through, they send me a little message on the stage on the monitors there. Your slides are almost up. They'll be there in a second. But it's way too late now. I can't start at the beginning. I can't even wave them off so I can just be teased by the fact that the slides are coming.

23:55And then eventually the first slide appears behind me on stage. But it's too late. So I finish it. I do the whole talk, no slides. And now, like, look, to me, the upshot is that I now know I can do this worst case scenario. I've also had the dreaded travel disaster. That's something I tell myself when things go totally sideways. I go, look, statistically, they're going to go sideways some of the time. Every time they don't go that way, you're inching closer to them inevitably going this way. And sometimes you have enough slack to absorb it and sometimes you don't. And in this case, everything went wrong.

24:28But here I am. I at least made it to the stage. So am I going to be ungrateful and be upset that my slides aren't there? or I'm going to be grateful that I get to do it at all, that I didn't have to take a scrub at all, that I didn't have to take a scrub on the whole thing. I'm going to use this as an opportunity to get better as a speaker, to try it in a way I don't normally try it, which is what I did. Gave the talk, had a lovely little reception after where I got to meet these teachers and administrators and education execs from all over the state. That was lovely. And then I was having a little conversation with the sort of person who was leading me around, a lovely guy named Dr.

25:11Jay Brewer, who was a school principal and superintendent there in Kentucky. I talked about my trip to Greece in the talk and said, hey, you know, I've also been to Greece. He said, I went there and did the marathon. I said, no way, I just did it. And he said, oh, last year? And I said, no, no, no, like last week, like I just did it. And so we were talking all about the marathon and I was telling him my story. This will be an episode later. I'll bring you all that. But we're talking. And then afterwards, as we're walking out to the reception, he's sort of showing me around. He goes, look, that's the Ohio River out there.

25:41And he says, see that bridge? And I go, yeah. And he goes, that bridge, you walk across that bridge, you're in Indiana. I go, oh, that's cool. I've never actually been to Indiana. And he says, well, I'll walk you over there after. And I was like, okay. You know, people say things I didn't know if he's serious. So we wrap up the talk. It's about 830. I'm exhausted. But he goes, so you ready to walk to Indiana? And I go, you know what? What the hell? This day's already been crazy enough. Let's do it. I said, give me a minute. Let me go upstairs. Let me change, put my stuff down, call my wife, call, say good night to the kids, come down, put on my shoes.

26:12I didn't even bring my running shoes because I ran in the morning and then my flight the next day was very, very early. So I come down and we walk. He said it would be like a mile and a half. It was like two and a half plus miles there. And then two and a half plus back. So we did about five miles on top of all the craziness for the day. But I got to tell you, and I have a video of it. We walk out, we see the Lewis and Clark statue. And then there's a statue of the slave that sort of led the expedition, whose name is escaping me. I'm sorry. But standing out there, you're elevated up on basically the top of the sort of levee of the river.

26:49And the sun is setting over the Ohio River. And it is one of the most gorgeous sunsets I have ever seen in my life. Just absolutely incredible. And I'm just standing there and go, hey, this was an insane day, but this is like the least bad, worst version it could be. I'm alive. I got to do the talk. I challenged myself. I grew from doing the talk. And here I am in a place I've never been looking at a sunset that rivals some of the prettiest sunsets that I've ever seen in my life, and I'm out for a walk. We had a lovely conversation about education, about philosophy, about history. He took me to see a nice Lincoln statue, Lincoln being a big chapter in the new Wisdom Takes Work book, and I was telling him that Lincoln's the only president with a patent.

27:37That's why he is one of the characters in Wisdom. Again, you can pre-order that at dailystoic.com slash pre-order. You know, and as I looked out over this sunset, I thought of a quote I've repeated here many times from Seneca, where he says, the whole world is a temple of the gods. The Stoics don't talk a ton about sunrises and sunsets, but whenever I experience golden hour like that or a beautiful sunset, I go, you know, they would have looked at similar things. Marcus would have looked at the sun over the Tiber, the sun over the Danube. Epictetus and Seneca and Cato and Cleanthes and Zeno, they would have seen the sun over the ocean.

28:19They would have seen the sun over the rivers. They would have seen it over lakes. They would have seen it over the Acropolis and the Forum. And in that instance, sort of centuries fade away. The shittiness of a day can fade away. Frustrations with other people can fade away. It's just a reminder of how beautiful existence is and how lucky we are to get it. I'm very lucky to get to live my life. It's not always going to go my way. There's going to be frustrations. There's going to be obstacles. There's going to be difficulties. You're going to set out thinking you're going to get green lights all along the way, and life's going to disabuse you of that notion, right?

29:00Man proposes, God disposes. If you want to make God laugh, make plans. Actually inscribed at the Oracle of Delphi, the Temple of Apollo, it said, Offer a guarantee and disaster threatens. Any case, walking across this bridge and then boom, here I am in Indiana, check a new state off the list. We walk back, go to the hotel, scarf down some food. I'm reading a book, call my wife. She's read the same book, have a nice, lovely conversation about this Court of Thorn and Roses book that I've put off reading for a long time, but she is just absolutely lit up that I am reading. And then I go to bed. And I'd love to tell you that that's the beginning and the end of the insane day.

29:41Beautiful. Walk in the evening, watching the sunset, go to bed, catch the car in the next morning, get home. Only there are some wrinkles once again. I wake up at 549 and I'm so out of it. There's a time difference, whatever. My alarm's been going off, but doing so silently. Some of my phone is doing some bullshit. Yeah, I'd slept through my alarm. The car is downstairs. Mad dash, throw the clothes in. Again, still have not fucking showered. Get in the car, just barely make it to the airport. rush through, get on the plane, almost miss the flight home, which would have caused a whole ripple of things.

30:18But then I land in Austin, drive to the office, see Samantha, deal with some work stuff. And then I go to pick up the kids from camp. I go a little early. And you know what I do? Do the same run again. I'm going to bring it full circle. It's a lovely run. It's hot. It's middle afternoon, but again, same shade. You run past this shelter that native peoples have been using for 500 years, splash around on the waterfall again to cool off. And then my son's braces broke while he was at camp. And so we go have late lunch, take him to get his braces repaired, have some lovely time in the car together, bring him home.

30:56That is the full circle of it. So, you know, I was gone for roughly 24 hours and I spent the vast majority of that just sitting at the airport. It was weird to me to be landing in Austin the next day, and I call my speaking agent, and I go, I'm back here. I like exactly 24 hours later, passing the table I was just sitting at, and it didn't go the way I wanted, but it went good all things considered. And to me, that's the stoic lesson that I try to remind myself of. Look, I said this wasn't actually the worst day ever, but it was a lot. Everything that could go wrong seemed to go wrong. But to me, what stoicism helps us with is to handle this with equanimity and poise, to look for the good in it, to look for what we control inside it, to use that time productively, to find things to be grateful for, and to know that, look, we're not in charge.

31:48We're not deciding. We don't get to decide how it goes. But we do decide what it means to us, what we take out of it. And we decide whether we're going to make this an awful day or a good So when I said it's the worst day, I'm being somewhat facetious because it turns out to be one of my favorite days. I'll think of that sunset forever. I'll be able to tell people about the time I walked to Indiana forever. People will be grabbing these tip-ins from the wisdom book, and they'll say, you know, stuck at the Austin airport on them. Or they'll say, you know, flight to Nashville. Or they'll say flight from Nashville to Louisville.

32:26I don't know. It was a lot, but I'm proud of how I handled it. I'm not proud of how I handled all of it. I wish it could have gone differently, of course. I wish more breaks had gone my way, but ultimately the big things that mattered, they did go my way. And anytime you fly through the air and don't crash and die, you're living in a miracle. You're living in a fantasy world. And that's what I try to remind myself. And I got to go do what I love. Got to go meet a bunch of lovely people. I'll probably bring you excerpts of that talk at some point. you'll probably see b-roll of this sunset in daily stoic videos on youtube as well and then this is what i tell myself robert green said look the great thing about being a writer is that it's all material you take the worst most painful frustrating things in your life and you turn them into material at some point in the middle of the crazy day i did not know whether i would make it or not i did not know whether the gig would happen or not i did not know what it would cost me or what i would lose but i didn't know hey there's probably a good podcast episode in this and in that that's my job.

33:23That's what I get to do. And that's what you just listened to. So thank you. I'll talk to you all soon. I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Daily Stoic podcast. Please pre-order Wisdom Takes Work, dailystoic.com slash pre-order. And you can also pre-order a box set of all four books, all signed and numbered first edition, a limited run of 1500 of them. We have those. I'll link to that in today's show notes too. Appreciate you. Appreciate the group for having me out. Appreciate the Vayner folks for seeing me through. Appreciate my family for putting up with the stress. Thanks to the gods for getting me through it.

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