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9 Sep 2025 · 11m

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This Is A Timeless Temptation | A New Way To Pray

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In this episode of The Daily Stoic, host Ryan Holiday dives into the concept of wisdom and the challenges associated with acquiring it, drawing heavily from Stoic philosophy—particularly the teachings of Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. The episode encourages listeners to reflect on their approach to prayer and personal growth, emphasizing the need for personal effort and resilience.

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0:05Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, where each day we bring you a Stoic inspired meditation designed to help you find strength and insight and wisdom into everyday life. Each one of these episodes is based on the 2 ,000-year-old philosophy that has guided some of history's greatest men and women to help you learn from them, to follow in their example, and to start your day off with a little dose of courage and discipline and justice and wisdom. For more, visit dailystoic.com.

0:56This is a timeless temptation. Seneca tells us the story of a pretentious but lazy Roman. He wanted to be able to impress his educated friends, So instead of reading for hundreds of hours, instead of getting a tutor or a teacher, he purchased a set of well-read slaves. One knew Homer by heart, another knew Hesiod. He had a slave for Sappho, another for Pindar, one for each of the ancient Greek poets that an upper-class Roman was supposed to know inside and out. And the man thought he was getting away with it, having them feed him lines at dinner parties, on hand whenever he needed to look something up.

1:35until a friend suggested that he take some wrestling lessons. But I am weak and frail, the man replied. Don't say that, his friend teased. Consider how many perfectly healthy slaves you have. Who hasn't been tempted to find a shortcut in life, to look for tricks and cheat codes? Whether it's outsourcing your reading to AI summaries, listening to podcasts on 2x speed, or seeking out some guru who can supposedly download everything into your brain, everyone tries to find a way to bypass some amount of the incredible effort that wisdom requires. But alas, from Seneca's time to hours, wisdom can really only be earned one way, and that is to say slowly, painfully, patiently.

2:26No man is able to borrow or buy a sound mind, Seneca said. Wisdom cannot be delegated. It cannot be given to you either. There is no app that will make you wise, no technology that can walk the path for you, no graduate school program that can make you educated. The path to wisdom isn't just rocky. It's guarded by bridge trolls and beset by obstacles. There are dead ends. There are pits of despair. There are staggering peaks and terrifying wonders. There is so much ground to cover. You will meet unfriendly people and unpleasant ideas along the way. Are you tough enough to handle that? Are you prepared for a long journey?

3:07Or do you want everything to be nice, neat, and easy? Even if you are naturally gifted, even if you've already graduated from the best schools, wisdom is not yours. No, Seneca says, much toil remains. And to achieve this wisdom, you must lavish all your waking hours and all your efforts. if you wish the result to be accomplished. Wisdom takes work. There is no way around it. And that is the title of the new book, the fourth and final in the Virtue series. It is not a book of wisdom. It is a book about the work, the methodology that wisdom requires. It's about how to get wisdom. It is about the process, the habits, the mindset you need if you want to be able to achieve wisdom.

3:53It is not a book that will make you wise, but it will help you become wiser if you do that work. And I'm really excited about it. It's out October 21st, but if you pre-order it now, there's a bunch of awesome pre-order bonuses, including some bonus chapters that were cut from the book, the playlist, like all the music that I listened to as I was writing it, a bunch of other awesome stuff. You can get signed numbered first editions. Also, there's a slot to have dinner with me where we can talk about some of the ideas in the book. and if you want one of the signed manuscript pages from the book that i produced as i was writing it there's not very many of them in the world but we've got those for people who pre-order a couple copies all that's available on the landing page dailystoic.com wisdom i hope to see you at the dinner i hope you like the book it would mean so much to me if you could pre-order it it's the most important and helpful thing you can do to support an author it's how publishers decide how many copies to print, whether it appears in the bestseller list or not, how many copies bookstores ordered.

4:53All that comes from the pre-order numbers. So if you could pre-order, it would mean so much to me. DailyStoke.com slash wisdom. I don't care what format, who you get it from, but this would be a huge help. So do that if you could, and I can't wait for you to hear the book.

5:13We just took our kids to an outdoor performance at The Nutcracker. They had a snow cone, and then they went insane in the car ride home. And one of the things I try to remind myself when that's happening is that I don't control my kids' behavior, especially when they're too far gone like that, but I do control how I respond, right? That's stoicism, but it's also what Dr. Becky talks about. Dr. Becky is a clinical psychologist and a best-selling author, and she founded Good Inside, which is there to give parents practical, actionable tools for handling those everyday challenges with confidence.

5:48My wife introduced me to Dr. Becky's books. I love them. I've recommended them a million times. I've had her on the podcast. And as it happens, Dr. Becky is hosting two live Q &A events for good inside members. I am one of them. She signed me up for it about a year and a half ago. I've loved it ever since. On December 1st, you can join Dr. Becky for her How Not to Raise Assholes event, which is about avoiding entitlement and raising kind, empathetic kids. And on December 15th, she's hosting her How Not to Lose It over the holidays event, which I'm sure we could all use. As I said, I'm a big fan of Dr.

6:25Becky. She's been a great influence for me as a parent and just as a human being. And daily Stoic listeners can join for 15 % off with code STOIC15. You just got to head over to goodinside.com to catch the events. Thanks to Toyota Trucks for sponsoring this episode. When I bought my ranch in 2015 out here in Bastro County, I drove my car about halfway down the dirt road that we live on, thought this isn't going to work, stopped, parked it, walked the rest of the way home, borrowed my wife's car, drove into Austin and bought a truck. What I bought was a Toyota Tacoma. And this truck wasn't just transportation getting me to and from my house.

7:07It unlocked a whole different style of living for us, not just on the ranch, but in our little Texas towns. There were places I could go now that I couldn't go before, especially out here in the piney forests, through the fields, and on the unpaved roads like the one that I lived in. We got to go deep into the hill country's wild beauty. We've driven all the way out to East Texas. We've driven across the country. And by we, I mean not just my wife, but both my kids who I drove home from the hospital in that truck. Toyota trucks are built for those who understand that the best adventures happen when you're willing to veer off course, because you never know when you'll end up on a Toyota adventure detour.

7:52And of course, this is stoicism, too, because every detour, every obstacle is an opportunity. But it's helpful if you can handle the difficulty inherent in that. If you've got the resilience and the right companion to make it wherever the road takes you. Discover your uncharted territory. Learn more at toyota.com slash trucks slash adventure dash detours.

8:18A new way to pray. We often pray for things we desire and in the process, excuse ourselves from the equation. We're hoping that the heavens will magically gift us with the outcome we want, whether it's for a promotion or a speedy recovery of a loved one. The Stoics would urge you to stop doing this. Marcus Aurelius reminded himself not to present the gods with a list of demands for pleasures or comforts, but instead ask for help not needing those things. In a sense, then, he was really asking for inner strength. He was, in a sense, asking himself. So think about all the things you want that you're praying or hoping for, and try turning them around like this.

9:02See what you come up with instead. This is from this week's entry in the Daily Stoic Journal, 366 Days of Writing and Reflection on the Art of Living, by yours truly and my wonderful collaborator Stephen Hanselman, who I also worked on the Daily Stoic with. Try praying differently, Marcus writes in Meditations 940. See what happens. Instead of asking for a way to sleep with her, try asking for a way to stop desiring to sleep with her. Instead of asking for a way to get rid of him, Try asking for a way not to crave his demise. Instead of a way not to lose my child, try asking for a way to lose my fear of it.

9:43And then Epictetus in Discourses says, we cry to God Almighty, how can we escape this agony? Don't you have hands? Or could it be that God forgot to give you a pair? Sit and pray your nose doesn't run, or rather just wipe your own nose and stop seeking a scapegoat. And then Epictetus in Discourses 4.1, he says, but I haven't at any time been hindered in my will nor forced against it. How is that possible? I have bound up my choice to act with the will of God. God wills that I be sick, such is my will. He wills that I should choose something, so do I. He wills that I reach for something or something be given to me.

10:20I wish for the same. What God doesn't will, I will not wish for. This idea of blowing your own nose, that's a great expression from Epictetus that I love. I think what the Stoics are talking about here is self-sufficiency. I was just reading a great little biography of Musashi, the samurai swordsman, and I wrote down a line in my commonplace book from him. He says, worship the gods and Buddha, but do not rely on them. Right? He didn't want to go into a sword fight hoping that Buddha would bless him. He trained for it to make that irrelevant. Right? He wanted to rely on his sword and his actions.

10:58Remember, the Stoics talk about what's in our control, what's not in our control. I think what the Stoics are talking about is don't pray for things that are not in your control, that are not up to you. Don't make yourself dependent on getting lucky, on being blessed, on your dreams coming true, on everything going right. Focus on having a plan that, as the Stoics say, is indifferent to all that. There's another great line from Epictetus where he says, you know, a student's like, how should I do this? He says, you're asking me to show you what to do. And he says, wouldn't it be better to ask to be adaptable to all circumstances?

11:33And so this is really where we're trying to get a place where there isn't anything we pray for. I take some pride. You know, every year my wife will go, what do you want for your birthday? And I go, I don't, nothing. I don't want anything. There's nothing I need. There's nothing I want. It's not because I'm a billionaire. It's that I spent more time just getting the things that I did need, the tools I need for my life or my happiness. And then for the most part, being indifferent to all the other things, not needing to wait for my birthday or Christmas or a check to come in to be able to afford this thing.

12:09It's better to not want it in the first place. And I think this is true for all the kinds of luck or, you know, cool experiences or things that we think we want or need. No, either get it for yourself if it's possible or write it off. You know, I think this is kind of that's what that third quote, the final quote from Epictetus, he's saying is like, look, I'll just align my likes with what happens. If God wants me to have it or the gods want me to have it or the logos or whatever. Stokes obviously had complicated, somewhat contradictory views on religion. what will be will be. What I get is what I get.

12:44I won't throw a fit, right? That's where we're trying to get a stoics, trying to get to this place of self-sufficiency where we blow our own nose, where we're good, whatever happens. And I wish that for you. It's not easy. It doesn't just happen. You got to work for it. But that's what we're doing here with these meditations. And I hope this helps and I'll talk to you soon.

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