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24 Jun 2025 · 11m

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Who Can Tell You You’re Wrong? | What's In Your Way Is The Way

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  • Host: Ryan Holiday
  • Theme: Stoic philosophy and its application in everyday life, featuring lessons from prominent Stoic thinkers like Marcus Aurelius and Seneca.
  • Format: Daily meditations, listener Q&A, and interviews with notable figures from various fields.
  • Description: Discusses how power affects communication and truth-telling, drawing on historical examples and Stoic principles.

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0:00I'm recording this on a Monday, and Monday is our grocery store day in our family. I usually pick my kids up from school and we go over to Whole Foods, get all our groceries for the week. Although here very shortly, we're going to go over there to get our Thanksgiving turkey because they've got a bunch of great options. Turkeys start at$1.49 a pound if you have Prime with organic birds at$2.99 a pound. And they only carry no antibiotic ever turkeys that will bring quality to your table at a great price. Whole Foods has great everyday prices on all your Thanksgiving essentials, whether you celebrate with a massive family or just a few close friends.

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0:50Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, where each day we bring you a Stoic-inspired meditation designed to help you find strength and insight and wisdom into everyday life. Each one of these episodes is based on the 2 ,000-year-old philosophy that has guided some of history's greatest men and women to help you learn from them, to follow in their example, and to start your day off with a little dose of courage and discipline and justice and wisdom. For more, visit dailystoic.com.

1:54suddenly they are afraid of you. And this changes what they do and think. It changes what they're willing to say to you and how they say it. We're told that the Emperor Hadrian once got in an argument with Favorinus, his favorite philosopher, who it's worth noting was an intersex individual way back in the year 100 AD, which belies the notion that gender fluidity is some modern woke invention. But the point is that Favorinus had tried to correct his boss, but after experiencing Hadrian's resistance, conceded the point even though he knew he was right. Why would you do such a thing? His friends asked.

2:32Favorinus chuckled and chastised them in turn. Don't you understand? He said, the smartest man was obviously the one who has the 30 legions. One makes a god king feel stupid at their peril, he was saying. But he was also expressing in this instance the inherent weakness in Hadrian's position. Because people were afraid of him, he was unlikely to get the truth or the opportunities to improve or learn. That's something that such an important job actually requires. A couple of months ago, we did a video over on the Daily Stoic YouTube channel about how narcissistic leaders almost always fail in the end.

3:10It's already approaching like 2 million views. I think it's one of the best things we've done. The point of the video is that even if these leaders manage to defy the odds and live to die a natural death, as Hadrian did, it's not usually fun for them or the people that they purport to serve. And this is almost certainly why Marcus Reelus talks so much about accepting correction and admitting error in meditations. He knew that if he hoped to escape imperialization, he would first have to escape his ego and find a way around the sycophancy that his occupation engendered. And again, no matter what level of leadership we are, we must do the same.

3:48No one is born to leadership. It's something we learn, something we figure out. It's about the structure we build around us, the education we undergo. And this is something that we built into the Daily Stoic Leadership Challenge. It's called Ancient Wisdom for the Modern Leader. It's, I think, one of the best courses we've done at Daily Stoic. We interview all these people. one of the people we interviewed went on to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We interview the CEO of the Spurs. We interview a bunch of elected leaders, people who hold all different types of private and professional power.

4:22And they talked a lot about how the Stoic teachings can help make us a better leader. I think it's one of the best courses we did. As I said, it's worth signing up for Daily Stoic Life just to get that because they're almost the same price. So if you're thinking about doing that, this is a great time. I'll link to that in today's show notes. You should check it out.

4:47Thanks to Toyota Trucks for sponsoring this episode. When I bought my ranch in 2015 out here in Baskerville County, I drove my car about halfway down the dirt road that we live on, thought this isn't going to work, stopped, parked it, walked the rest of the way home, borrowed my wife's car, drove into Austin and bought a truck. What I bought was a Toyota Tacoma. And this truck wasn't just transportation getting me to and from my house. It unlocked a whole different style of living for us, not just on the ranch, but in our little Texas towns. There were places I could go now that I couldn't go before, especially out here in the piney forests, through the fields, and on the unpaved roads like the one that I lived in.

5:32We got to go deep into the hill country's wild beauty. We've driven all the way out to East Texas. We've driven it across the country. And by we, I mean not just my wife, but both my kids who I drove home from the hospital in that truck. Toyota trucks are built for those who understand that the best adventures happen when you're willing to veer off course. Because you never know when you'll end up on a Toyota adventure detour. And of course, this is stoicism, too, because every detour, every obstacle is an opportunity. But it's helpful if you can handle the difficulty inherent in that. If you've got the resilience and the right companion to make it wherever the road takes you.

6:11Discover your uncharted territory. Learn more at toyota.com slash trucks slash adventure dash detours. What's in your way is the way. Obstacles are a fact of life. Even the most powerful and lucky of us are not exempt from this reality, but we have a superpower at our hands through Stoic philosophy in that our purposes, our intentions, our attitudes can adapt to any conditions to find a way forward. The Stoics talk about acting with a reserve clause that allows us to reconsider and set a new course of action if needed. And Marcus Aurelius tells us that any obstacle can actually become raw material for a new purpose.

6:58So that's what you should think about today and this week. How might the obstacles you're facing reveal a new path? And this is from the Daily Stoic Journal, 366 days of writing and reflection on the art of living. Every week we have a sort of a daily meditation. We've got three quotes from Marcus Aurelius along these lines today. While it's true that someone can impede our actions, they can't impede our intentions or our attitudes, which have the power of being conditional and adaptable. For the mind adapts and converts any obstacle to its actions into a means of achieving it. And that which is the obstacle to action is turned to advance action.

7:38The obstacle on the path becomes the way. That's Meditations 520. Marcus also says in 8.35, just as nature turns to its own purpose, any obstacle or any opposition sets its place in the destined order and co-ops it so every rational person can convert any obstacle into the raw material for their own purpose. And then Meditations 8.32, so clearly he thinks about this a lot. He says, you must build up your life action by action and be content if each one achieves its goal as far as possible. and no one can keep you from this. But there will be some external obstacle, perhaps, he says, but no obstacle to acting with justice, self-control and wisdom.

8:22But what if some area of my action is thwarted? Well, gladly accept the obstacle for what it is and shift your attention to what is given and another action will immediately take its place, one that better fits the life you are building. As you know, this is what I built the obstacle as the way around these ideas, but let me read you Gregory Hayes' translation in that same line, 520, because it's obviously been so instrumental to me. And I think Hayes does it quite well also. And it's interesting, he's clearly referring Marcus to a specific kind of obstacle, difficult people. In a sense, people are our proper occupation.

8:59This is Meditations 520. Our job is to do them good and put up with them. But when they obstruct our proper tasks, They become irrelevant to us, like the sun, wind, or animals. Our actions may be impeded by them, but there can be no impeding our intentions or our dispositions, because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and converts to its own purposes the obstacle to our acting. The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way. Let's look at the Robin Waterfield translation of the same line. From one point of view, nothing is more proper to me than a human being, insofar as it's my job to do people good and tolerate them.

9:42But insofar as some people threaten my proper work, I count a human being as just another indifferent, no less than the sun or the wind or a wild animal. These things may impede some of my activities, but they can't impede my impulses or my state of mind, because I have powers of reservation and adaptation. The mind can adapt and alter every impediment to action to serve its purpose. Something that might have hindered a task contributes to it instead. And something that was an obstacle on the road helps you on your way. So it doesn't matter which translation you read, the message is the same. Stuff happens, stuff gets in our way, but it presents us the opportunity to do something different.

10:24So in this sense, the obstacle is the way. It's not that, you know, life erects this wall in front of you and the way is through that wall. It's that when the door shuts, a window opens. It's that when you wanted everything to go well and then someone screws it up. Now it's a chance to practice patience. Now it's a chance to practice forgiveness. Now it's a chance to start over. Now it's a chance to, you know, extricate yourself from this toxic relationship, whatever it is, right? What Marcus is saying is that everything that happens in life, every obstacle, as maddening and frustrating and painful as they might be, they are opportunities to practice a different virtue, that virtue is always the way and that nothing stops us from being able to do that.

11:10I just love that passage so much. If I had the time, I'd grab the Pierre Hadeau chapter on this very idea, which also helped inspire the obstacles away. He talks about sort of the art of turning obstacles upside down. To me, this is a central practice in Stoicism. It's why I've got it tattooed on my arm. It's why I wrote a book about it. It's why we talk about it so much. This idea of amor fati, we accept and then we use what's happened to our advantage. That's the essence of Stoicism. I hope that inspires you a little bit today. People are our proper occupation. We tolerate them. We put up with them.

11:43And all the obstacles they roll into our way, all the problems they cause us are actually not problems, but opportunities to practice the very virtues of courage, temperance, justice, and wisdom. That's what we're doing here. And by the way, we do have leather-bound edition of The Obstacle is the Way, which comes with The Obstacle is the Way challenge coin as well. Check that out at dailystoke.com slash obstacle leather.

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The thing about power is not so much that it changes you but that it changes the people around you. It changes what they’re willing to say to you…and how they say it.


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