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26:21that commitment to that goal and you hitting that. And this is the, this is the, what I want to tie in with the audience, because I believe that everything is connected. What we do in one area of life and how we handle that area is how we handle everything else. How did the rest of your life pick up because you were handling that over there? Well, that one took a lot of focus. so i can't say that everything was flourishing as i was hitting that end right like it took serious commitment i wouldn't say it revolutionized it but i remember going back to rt because we had to go back and present you know to each other we had ourselves our as accountability partners and um and i hit it and it was a huge big deal and everyone said oh you look so amazing wonderful blah, blah, blah.

27:09And they asked to describe your experience with the process. And I said to the group, and I think it was about 40 or 50 of us, all very successful entrepreneurs. I just had to learn how to win again in a different way. Wow. Had to learn how to win again. Okay. And I, I wasn't going to hit it until I was able to make that last sacrifice harder than I thought, longer than I thought, more difficult than I thought. I had to learn how to win again. that I could apply to virtually everything else. Right. So thereafter you're able to apply those principles and that journey. And the reason I, reason I wanted to touch on it, because like I said, like, I think everything's connected, you know, for me, it happened real time.

27:53Right. Um, you know, I was 31 % body fat November of last year. Right. And 230 pounds. I got down at one point to 186. I'm 195 right now. A little more healthy for me, but still move into body recomp and all that kind of stuff. And, but what happened for me is once I took care of that one thing, I started eating better. I started moving my body more, started getting better shape. My mind kicked on. I was more articulate. Yeah. The show blew up like everything. I couldn't get, I couldn't get someone to invest in the show. When I took care of that, I had two investors come in, built this full freaking team and now we're doing things in 20 you know the back half of 2025 that i thought was gonna take me to 2027 yeah to hit you know what i mean yeah so for me it really it just i think it just showed everybody that i was finally living the life of determination and discipline like i talk about on my show outside of my show yeah probably your vibe changed too oh way different you proved to yourself yeah yeah right that you could do something that you wanted to again, as we've done many times and we have to continue to always do, but real quick.

29:07Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, cause I don't want to forget this because as we get older, we say, Oh, well I'm older. I can't do this anymore. I can't burn fat. Like I did when I was 25. Yeah. My metabolism's healthier now than it was when I was 30. Like I'm not with a testosterone of 200, right? No, no, it's probably right. Once that's, once that's healthy. Yes, of course. And that's part of the issue, but you know, your energy probably improved your outlook improved. You work your confidence. That's a vibe, right? People feed off of that stuff. If you're throwing negative energy down, right?

29:42You interview people for a living, right? You can probably feel if someone's not got great energy or someone's not there. Yeah. But what was interesting about it, Sean, is, you know, that was, that was a body goal. And I've since done many body goals. I want to go up. I want to go down. I want to go left. I want to go right. What I learned is I could change my body and I had the skill set and tools to do it. Like now I'm bigger and more muscular and there's pros and cons to all of it. But in, in business, I was at the, I'm still to some degree at the 7%. Right. So I was still trying to get to the five.

30:21And it was because our biotech company is 15 years old or 16 years old and going on 16. And it's in the process of trying to scale. And that's one of the hardest pieces is to take a business to scale. What does that require, by the way? Systems. Processes. Yeah. Right? So all that stuff. So it was immediately applicable lessons, but I haven't hit 5 % on business yet. That's still a work in progress. And we're still continuing to do that. But having the know-how that you can and having the confidence that you can, because the hardest thing I think in business and entrepreneurship, especially in a really difficult biotech business environment, you've been in med tech, is maintaining your confidence that your idea is right and that your idea is ultimately scalable, especially when it's a disruptive idea, which mine was.

31:16and maintaining confidence requires a deep dive in your soul to weather those difficulties and the determination and grit needed to, to get there. I like to refer to my entrepreneurial journey as a, the Rocky Balboa entrepreneurship, right? I get punched in the face for 11 rounds, hoping to win in the 12th and that's what it was kind of like. Yeah. Right. And, but I'm not in the 12th round yet. I'm still maybe in the 10th or 11th. I get it. No, I understand exactly your analogy and where you're coming from. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I love the Rocky movies for reference, dude, because that's so applicable, right?

31:54That's why America loved Rocky so much because it is literally Americans. They love a comeback story. Yeah. You know, everybody's getting the shit kicked out of them right now. Everybody's getting the shit kicked out of them years ago too. Sure. But it's like, you got to hang on, hang on train systems. Yes. You know, go to Russia like he did, go to your, you know, proverbial Russia, right? And work your butt off. Then you come out and then maybe you do get to that 12th round and you do win. Yeah. And then it starts all over again. But the beauty of it is no guarantee you're going to get to round 12, right?

32:27Yeah. That fear of failure, I don't want to say fear, that risk of failure is always profound. Even when you scale, No, it's still profound. So I think the take-home point was something like a body goal, something like this exercise that we did in the entrepreneurial group, and that you have to set for yourself periodically in life, especially as you get older, maintains that confidence level that you can. It's possible. Eight, nine out of 10 in businesses fail. Well, why can't you be the one? That doesn't. I think you talk about the confidence. like having that internal confidence that is done by handling the shit and doing the hard things that you need to handle and do.

33:12Yes. It's also partly done by making promises to yourself and keeping them. Yeah. You can't lie to yourself like that, but see, that's, that was my point earlier when, when I started talking about the show and asking you, you know, what was your experience? Because once I took care of the one thing that I couldn't take care of my whole life on a consistent basis, everything started to open up. Right. My speech pattern changed. Before it would be like every seven words would be the F word. Now it slips out every here, you know, every now and again, like if I'm kicking it with Matt on a show, then of course I'm going to drop an F bomb.

33:45Matt can draw that out. I mean, he's just a fucking horrible person, you know, it's just, you know, but it's like, but, but for the most part now it is a, it is, a different energy. It's, I communicate much better. Right. And I think it's because my lights are on, man. You know, I can say, okay, that's probably not where I need to go with it. But once I fixed that for me and did the hard thing and didn't lie to myself and kept my word, everything else opened up. And that's the, that's the message I want the audience to really take from the first part of this conversation and going to the latter part is like, if you say you're going to do something for yourself, do it, do it.

34:26And suffer for it if you have to. So what you always do. So let's talk about that word. Yeah. Like I really love that word suffer or suffering. A lot of people will say, this is miserable. I am suffering. So therefore I'm not going to do it. Yeah. I truly believe, I truly believe in building a body, building a practice and building a show, building a great classroom for an elementary school teacher you better suffer a little bit you you have to suffer well if you don't have to suffer how hard that's what i'm saying but that's the point though man see we get that yeah and i think a lot of people at the very base level do get it but the moment they have that suffer that is suffering like it's 4 a.m.

35:14Or damn, I didn't get the gym today. It's 6 p.m. and I'm exhausted. Or the level of suffering that's necessary. It's a lot. Yeah. And I feel as though you don't have to be a masochist to be like, oh, I'm suffering. I love this shit. It feels that way sometimes. But it really does. Like, oh, here I fucking am again doing this thing. And this hurts. This is suffering like mentally and physically. But you learn something so deep about yourself when you're willing to execute those moments. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And I just, I feel like more people need to be comfortable with that word. Yeah. It's a fine line between a variant of martyrdom and success, right?

35:55So a shout out to my friends. When I lived in Denver, I trained at Armbrust Pro Gym. So that's where Phil Heath trained eight-time Mr. Olympia. And Dylan Armbrust, who owns the gym, used to train a lot of professional bodybuilders. And when someone was struggling, go to Dylan, hey, Dylan, you have any advice for me? I'm kind of plateaued. I'm having a hard time. What do you think? Dylan would often say, you need to learn how to suffer more, right? You're not suffering enough. And if you want it, then learn how to suffer more. And I always remembered that because I think it's very applicable. Maybe this is a good example, Sean.

36:30To look like this at 54, I purposefully induce a state of chronic pain every day, pretty much. Now, is that good? Is that healthy? It's healthy here for sure because it's keeping those batteries charged and it's keeping that determination muscle firing. But most people want to live and want to exercise and have fun and feel good. But for me to look like this, I have to suffer every single day pretty much. And I do it partly because I just like it. It's my thing. I also do it and I'll use an analogy. When patients come in, I'll often joke with them. If you go to the cardiologist, check your heart.

37:16And the cardiologist walked into the room and he was, or she was obese, smoking a cigarette and eating a donut. Would you listen to what they had to say? So part of my personal responsibility to patients who are looking to help their arthritic knee or shoulder or rotator cuff or just help their body in general, I have to live that process. Or why would they listen to me? It's like a trainer who's unfit. Would you listen to a trainer who's unfit? Trainers, in my opinion, should be more fit than me or certainly on my level at a minimum. So I take it kind of as a personal responsibility to do this as an example to hopefully encourage or motivate or whatever might be the case others to say, hey, if I can do it, I'm just as busy as the next person.

38:03I have, I'm a dad and I'm a husband and I have businesses and I have a busy schedule and I always sleep well and I always eat perfect. But you know what? I make it a purposeful commitment in my life because it's what I believe in and I get it done. Yeah. But it is hard. I love what, um, what he's, what, what was his last name again? Dylan Armbrust. Armbrust. Armbrust. Cool name for a gym owner, right? Armbrust. Armbrust. That's pretty good, right? What Mr. Armbrust said, he's like, you need to learn how to suffer more. Yeah.

38:36That's that point of failure. And what he's saying is in the gym, if you're getting 10 easy, go up and wait, struggle eight, nine and 10. Fail to succeed. Yeah. Like really push yourself, like suffer through those reps and those exercises a little bit more. And that's the same thing with everything. Cause we, people get to a point and I guilty as charged. I don't speak from the top of a mountain. I speak from the scars. Yeah. Right. There would be moments where I get so close, but then I would let up because that temperature gauge, that internal temperature gauge was set like at 70 and I needed it at a hundred or a 90.

39:13but I get comfortable with the 70 and then I would stop, right? I would literally stop doing what I'm doing. I would stop suffering. And whereas now I push myself in the gym and I'm like, okay, I'm going to suffer a little bit more. And, you know, and Dan knows this, I, the same thing with the business. I choose suffering much more than I choose the happy moments. And what I mean by that is I go, okay, what more can I do? What more can I implement? How do we take this to the next level? This is going to be a little bit of suffering. Maybe it's a little more travel. Am I willing to do it? Let's talk to the wife.

39:53Hey, there might be some times here. There's this potential tour coming up that I might be a part of. It's gonna be two months. I'll be coming home. I'll be back and forth. There's gonna be a sacrifice. There's gonna be some suffering. But is it worth it? And we get to make those decisions, right? But I choose to stay in that word. Yeah, yeah. My own internal voice in my head is, you know, how much shit are you willing to eat to get what you want? Come on, man. Right. Yeah. There's no way around it. You're eating shit. So you need a little bit of shit and get some of what you want, or you need a whole lot of shit and win in the 12th.

40:25Yeah. Oh man, it's true. So, you know, that's, you know, the, the doubt voice that's in all of our heads, in my opinion, it's really just, it comes down to determination and how far will, are you willing to go? So I think I'll go back to that. Arate is in my head now that we were talking about. I think Ed Milet at one of the meetings said, part of the reason I'm successful is I don't, other people get tired. I don't let myself get tired. I keep going. I am tired, but I don't let myself be tired and let that tiredness affect my ability to get what I want. And that is another good definition of determination.

41:05Yeah. It's like doing something you said you're going to do, even if you don't emotionally feel like doing it. You've gone to the gym where you feel like crap and you still got to get the work done. And this goes back to why David Goggins has become so successful as he's pushed that to a whole nother level of human performance. And then to say that, you know, we think our max is a hundred percent. It's probably only about 70 or 80. There's still more left in the tank, but you have to really eat a lot of shit. You have to tap into it. Right. You have to tap into it. Right. And that's a mental game.

41:31Yeah, it really is. I want to touch on, um, you know, cause we're getting to the back half. I want to touch on regenerative messes, medicine a little bit, you know, stem cells specifically, you know, for a long time, it was something that athletes and people had to travel to Mexico and get the stem cell treatment. Yeah. And now I guess as of July, you know, Florida is one of the, one of two states, I believe Utah is the other one, right? Correct. We actually get stem cell therapy here in Florida. Walk us through that and what that means, not just for your business, but for people in general. Yeah.

42:01It could be, it's a blessing or curse scenario. And so for 15 years, I was limited. You know, I've been researching and developing stem cell therapies for a long time. And we were limited to using the patient's own by the Food and Drug Administration. That's what we were allowed legally to do. And there were people breaking the law and doing things they weren't supposed to do. I set up a company that's FDA registered and audited. So we got to play by the rules. In July, Senator Turnbill proposed a bill signed by Governor DeSantis, which said with informed consent, and it's a very detailed counseling that we have to do with patients, and with a vendor providing the cells that checks a whole bunch of quality balances, checks and balances, we are allowed to offer to patients unapproved cell therapies from a donor, from a different person.

42:52And most of them are, are from birthing tissue cells. So placental dry, umbilical cord, uh, where it's jelly, amniotic fluid, et cetera, which is where the models that are typically used in. It's all amniotic stuff, right? Correct. Yeah. So, so for, I, look, I fought for years to try to make. Did you like that? I'm very smart, right? I'm like, you know. Yeah. Hey, that, or you, you researched it and you're curious, like most. Smart. All right. Then. You didn't know that about me. Well, I do now. Yeah. There you go. I just had to make it. There'll be a quiz at the end. So there is a quiz. It's open book though.

43:26Don't worry. Sorry. Sorry for the interruption. So, you know, I'd worked for all this time to figure, and we, we were kind of humming, right? We were figuring out how to make a person's own stem cells work fantastic for them. We were getting tremendous results. We have 5 ,000 patients in our database under study. And just when that happens and I get your stem cells dialed in for you, the law changes to open up this whole new world. So at first it was a little bit like, oh, crap, I just figured out how to do the other thing. Now I got to start all over again, which is literally the approach we're taking.

43:58Because unfortunately, with all of these offshore clint, there's tons of anecdotal evidence that people are getting better, but there's no publications. There's no podiums at academic conferences. So the lure of a donor cell, someone else's cells, is several. One, people think I'm old. I don't have good stem cells. Not totally true. You still have plenty of good stem cells. Not quite as good as they used to be, but we've shown that they still work great in many applications. There's a lot of celebrity endorsement of use baby cells. They're younger. They're more powerful. In a test tube or in culture conditions, that seems to be the case, but we don't know if that applies to actual human conditions yet.

44:42We haven't proven that yet. So what the law will allow me to do, I already have thousands of patients understudy using their own cells. I will take the same rigorous scientific and academic approach to donor cells, and we will match patient populations and directly compare one to the other to see what works better. To finally answer the question once and for all, what works when, where, and why? Making no assumptions that one size fits all. A 75-year-old smoker may require something different from a 23-year-old athlete. A cartilage problem may require something different from a tendon problem.

45:21And the confines of the law in the U.S. are that we're allowed to apply it to orthopedic, painful conditions, or wound care. So it has to fit under those three indications for us to apply these donor cells. So the law was extremely controversial, but I think if we don't screw it up, will be an incredible opportunity for us to learn and advance and progress. Because there may be situations where a donor model makes much more sense. If you're healthy and your cells work great, why don't we use those? I know your cells won't hurt you. We don't know the long-term data yet on donor cells 20, 30, 40 years out.

46:03We don't have it. It doesn't exist. So it created this opportunity and it was a little bit daunting because I had to start over from scratch because it's about our whole biotech approach over the past 16 years has been cells can be thought of like a drug, like a pharma type of model. There's a particular cellular dose and a measurable, predictable response. And we have worked tirelessly for years to be able to predict how your cells are going to work for you. And we have artificial intelligence models now that allow me to actually customize your own stem cells for your problem. It's pretty incredible what our team has done.

46:42Say that again for the audience because that's baffling. So over time, we developed a model which analyzes you, your medical history, your age, your sex, your body mass index, the medications you're on, your baseline cell counts. and our model, our AI driven model tells me based on the thousands of patients that we've treated exactly what biologic to make and what cellular doses to apply to you to give you the best chance for success, right? That's what we've done over 16 years. Now that is a model that we continue to validate. We can't just roll that out. Okay. So that requires you've, you've been in the, in the space.

47:17So you don't just start doing that. So we continue to test that model and refine it, but it exists. And AI was the last piece of the puzzle that allowed me, I thought of this 15 years ago, but I didn't have the tools, the statistical firepower to make it work. Now we did. And we got some really smart people on our data team to help move that over the, over the presence. Now I got to do it all over again because the knock on donor cells, which they're, these are culture expansion, expanded cells, meaning we take a placental, we dissect the cells that we want, we culture them to grow more of them.

47:52Then we freeze them at minus 80 degree temperatures. Then we thaw them out and then we put them back into the patient. That's a lot of handling. There's a lot that can go wrong. And some of my peers have questioned and actually done some research to question whether these cells, by the time they go back into your body, are actually still alive. Okay. So part of the law calls for a post-thaw viability analysis. is viability means what percentage of the cells are actually alive. Okay. So what we've done is, as usual, take it one step further than that. So when the cells leave the lab, I know how many are in that little vial and how many are alive.

48:30And it's not a hundred percent, by the way. Okay. We thaw them to minus, or we freeze them to minus 80. I got to keep them at minus 80 in my clinic, in my lab. And then when we're ready to put them in, we thaw them in a water bath under specific protocol and reintroduce them. But before we reintroduce them, what we're developing now, our protocols to remeasure the dose and the viability again, because it wasn't the viability or percent that were alive when it left the lab. It's the percent that are alive when I put them into your body. That is our dose. How big of a discrepancy from when you get it and freeze it to when you thawed out in the water bath, the drop in percentage of live.

49:09Well, not enough data to say accurately yet, because literally this just started in July and we only have, you know, a handful of these done at this time, but we're, I mean, the interest is, is astronomical for this stuff. So we're getting a lot of inquiries and lots of patients who are interested. Somewhere in the range of 15 to 30 % die before they get frozen. Okay. Okay. It's in that ballpark. Now the question is when we, when we thaw them out and put them back into the patient, And I don't want to give data yet because we're still refining that remeasure model in our laboratory. So that's not validated yet.

49:46So I don't want to be unfair to the industry. But we would expect to lose probably another double-digit percent. So if 100 million came out of the placenta and we lost 20 % of those and we lose another 20%, now we're at 60 % of the original dose. That is our dose. We think. Because here's the kicker. can dead cells produce a positive therapeutic effect seems weird right if these are living cell therapies if the cell's dead could it produce a positive effect but remember the cells release things when they go into the body and if a cell dies perhaps it could release growth factors and anti-inflammatory proteins and signals because these are placental or amniotic umbilical cord stem cells to help a developing baby develop.

50:35Perhaps some of those signals are still in that vial, even though the cell is dead, and we could still potentially get a positive therapeutic effect. And that's some of the exosome. You've heard the word exosomes. Of course. Exosomes are just the signals that stem cells release to perform their therapeutic function. So if the cell dies, maybe it still releases its exosomes, and maybe those exosomes are still in there, and maybe those exosomes will still produce a positive effect. That's why we have to measure what came out of the lab and then re-measure what, again, before it goes into the patient.

51:05Because if we lose a certain percentage, but we see that therapeutically the patients continue to do well, there's something else happening in there that we've got to go back and figure out. Is there a way now to test the growth factors of those dead cells? There is, but it's very complicated and slow and expensive. So some of the research that we do is limited by what the market will bear. And that market is growing. So we just applied for an NIH grant before the government shut down. So that wasn't helpful for the grant. But now that we're reopening, we're actively seeking, because there's such tremendous opportunity here, if it's done correctly and responsibly, that we anticipate more and more industry monies will be thrown at this.

51:48Grant monies will be thrown at this. Because as this longevity push continues, stem cells will be a key part of it. Yeah. And that's what I really want to touch on too, before we run out of time is longevity, right? This is all very fascinating stuff. I think this is all stuff that people have been in the space of wellness or wanting to get in the space of wellness and wanting to live longer, wanting to feel better, really diving into this kind of stuff. But I mean, we're getting to the technology where people are, you know, spouting like, Hey, we're going to have the ability to keep someone alive until 100, 120 years old, 125 years old, you know, because the heart's still healthy and everything else is healthy, but there's a bigger problem here.

52:29A huge problem, a huge evolving problem. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Orthopedic longevity crisis. So we can make our brains and our hearts and our lungs and our organs and our muscles live longer. It's realistic to expect that our generation could live to a hundred pretty regularly, the generation behind us, bro, the generation behind us, maybe 120, 150, maybe more, who knows, but we do not yet have a solution to a deteriorate deteriorating orthopedic system. And the reason is our orthopedic tissues, cartilage, tendons, they're what we call avascular. So they have no direct blood supply to them because they have no direct blood supply.

53:08They can't heal. So trauma and mileage and wear and tear is cumulative. It just builds up and builds up and build up with no ability to reverse it yet. So if we can get people to live to 120 or 150, but their orthopedic systems are shit, that's not a very good quality of life. I'm alive. We talk about lifespan and health span, right? They're two different things. So we need to be thinking more in this longevity movement about an orthopedic solution that will allow people not only to live longer, but to live fuller longer. Yeah. What's the point of being alive if you're not sure? Exactly. And then we're a little behind in orthopedics.

53:44I'm hoping that again, resources will be pumped into this, not only us, but many people working on this that will come up with some of those solutions. But early on, is there anybody in the orthopedic space that understands and has identified this issue and is maybe trying to work ahead a little bit? Yeah. I like to think I'm one of them, but there are others. Sure. Of course. It's a really tough not to crack though. It's, it's a system that's kind of designed to fail. And, you know, ethically it makes you wonder if God designed it to fail, should we change that? You know, we're entering a period of med tech, Sean, where we're about to fuck with nature a lot.

54:25And I love, there's an old quote from, I love movie quotes. There's an old quote from the movie Jurassic Park where Jeff Jeff Goldblum says, I think it was nature always finds a way or nature. Remember they made all the dinosaurs women and they found a way to reproduce or something like that. So I always say the more we fuck with nature, the more nature may bite us in the ass. So are we really smart enough? And it really gets into the genetic engineering model, programming cells to perform specific functions. I am very excited about the concept of taking your stem cells out of you, making them young again, and then reprogramming them to go back into you, regenerate your cartilage in your knee.

55:04I love that. That possibility, that potential exists. We don't have the code cracked yet. But again, it's about on-off switches. It's about turning things on and off inside of our cells. If you turn it on, then God damn it, you got to be able to turn it off too. So it's an on-off switch problem that we're slowly figuring out. So for a long time, I was concerned we are not smart enough to outthink millions of years of evolution and nature. The question is, is AI smart enough to do so? And that remains to be seen. But it certainly has given us an intellectual firepower beyond what we were capable of previously.

55:47And it's now accelerating. So it'll be interesting to see what that allows us to do safely. And as that capability continues to increase, our ability to manipulate nature will continue to evolve more and more and more. I hope we can control it. I hope so, too. I mean, it's crazy because I can sit here and say, you know, I got three beautiful children. I want to see them grow up. I want to, you know, be able to walk my daughters down the aisle. I want to see my son, you know, raise his family. And so, Hey, if they can keep me alive until, you know, 80 to a hundred years old, that's great, man. I would, I would obviously want to do that a hundred percent, but I want to feel good when I'm doing it.

56:29But I also don't want these other, you know, potential fallouts of really screwing with nature, right? Like that, that's a whole other thing. Cause you know, if you remember Jurassic Park, you don't mess with nature. I mean, there was dinosaurs eating people. I mean, that's a problem. That's a big freaking problem. So, um, but this has been very interesting, man. And, and, you know, it's, it's an episode to where I feel that there was so much educational value that was given to the audience that hopefully that they can hold on to. And, you know, if you miss something, you know, rewatch it again, re-listen to it again and share it with somebody, you know, love and trust, but dude, thank you so much, man.

57:05Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate you letting me talk to your audience and congratulations on the audience. Thanks audience for supporting Sean. He's terrific. And, and I hope it was useful. Hope you guys get something out of it. Keep an eye on us. We're going to be working hard with that determination to try to continue to bring you guys some solutions. Before we let the audience go, I want you to tell them where they can find you, you know, your website, so they can learn about you as a, as a physician and how they can potentially go see you to feel better. And then, or they can find you on socials.

57:33Yeah. So social is just my name, David Carley. I'm very searchable, Googleable, uh, Carly with an K R L I David Carly K R L I. Uh, so if you want to just search me out, you'll find all this stuff, but our clinic is the Carly health Institute, Carly health.com. And, um, my biotech company is gray ledge, G R E Y ledge gray ledge biotech.com. That talks about a lot of the work with patients own stem cells and the research and development that we're doing in a lot of our data work as well. So between those three things, you'll probably learn more about me than you care to know. I have some questions for you offline too.

58:09This is really cool. For the audience, thank you guys so much for listening. Again, please, if you haven't subscribed or haven't been following the show, please do that. And if you find yourself loving this episode or the show in general, share it with somebody you know, love and trust. Until next time, guys, stay determined.