Determination & Discipline | From Random Gigs to Pitbull Collabs

0:00I've seen you say you're the country artist that's almost made it. Writing for Pitbull, doing songs with them, or on his record label. How did it happen? Shout out to Barefoot Country Music Fest. It was me, Pitbull, and Blake Shelton. Not a bad lineup. I just played that USA song for the first time. And I literally was running off stage. Someone on Pitbull's team was there, shot a video of me performing. I was like, one of Pitbull's managers, like, blah, blah. I'm like, no way. I don't believe you. Three days later, I got a text from Pit. And the next thing you know, I got pitnapped on the jet for like seven days.

0:35What up, guys? We're back here in Nashville, yet again at Nashville Creative Spaces at Brand Builders. About to give you another amazing interview. I have my boy Tyler Fillmore with me. Fillmore Music from Missouri. And now he's a country star. Just got done collabing with Pitbull. He's writing for him. And he's also been signed to Pitbull's record label. So this interview right here, you're going to be seeing this guy headlining all over the United States very, very shortly. And you get to meet him here first. So welcome to the show, homie. Man, thank you so much for having me. Dude, it's so cool, man.

1:09Like two years of, you know, being friends from afar. Yeah. You know, it's so funny because like everybody bashes social media. My wife especially hates it. I'm like, yo, I guess where I meet everybody. That's what we built this platform on. And, you know, it's been really cool to see your journey and, you know, to also see you become a father. Oh, man. Not once, but twice. So, dude, like, I'm just super excited to have you here. I'm happy to be here, man. Honestly, like, same thing, like, watching everything that you're doing. Like, this is such an honor to be on here. I'm, like, super pumped.

1:44And the whole social media thing, it's definitely a love-hate thing, for me, at least. Yeah. But that's where we meet a lot of people. And that's, like, it's just such a part of the job. Like when I started doing music, like that wasn't the biggest part of the job. And then, you know, as the years progress and COVID hits and TikTok and things, it's like the game changes. Music changes because of that platform. It's been a wild ride, but I'm just glad that connected us, you know? Dude, that's crazy, isn't it, man? But no, you're right, man. It's, you know, the game changes. And COVID especially, you know, that's when I started the show.

2:18Not because I was sitting like, okay, everybody else is doing it. But there's this whole, this burning passion to do something different, to do something bigger. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I've never gone viral. I've never had any of that crap. But I can tell you something. I have really built something along with my team now that I'm very comfortable with and that I feel like every interview we have brings so much value to the audience, you know. And that's why I'm super excited to tell your story. I want to start at the humble beginnings, man. You know, Ozarks, you know, middle America. Now you're in Nashville.

2:56And, you know, the audience wants to know what people have been through and how they've overcome the adversity through determination and discipline. That's what we do here, man. I love it. I love telling that story. And it is a hustle, man. All of it. I mean, life is. Yeah. Yeah. No matter what you do, right? Yeah. No matter what you do, there's going to be problems. There's going to be adversity. And it's like, you get to decide if you buckle, which is okay to buckle a little bit, but don't break. Don't break. You know, keep going. So walk us through, you know, you went to Mizzou. Yes, sir. Right?

3:30Go SEC. M-I-Z. Oh, man, Mizzou's great. I went there about a year and a half, two years ago. It was the coldest I've ever been in my fucking life. My toes are still frozen. I went to watch a baseball player that I used to work with, Jackson Beeman. Awesome. And yeah, man, like he went off that week and it was beautiful. but it was literally, I think, 20 degrees. And up there in Turner Field, I think that's what it's called, it's on a hill, and it's windier, and it's cold. So I don't know how you dealt with that. Missouri's got every type of weather, and I grew up in Missouri, Wildwood, but I remember there were some times, like leaving my fraternity house, like there were some winters, and I don't know if it's as bad now, you know, climate, there's so much that's changed.

4:12But years ago, like there were times where like the mountains, and we're in Missouri, and you'd think it'd be like a Minnesota thing. There were mounds of snow like higher than my head, and you're walking to class on a sidewalk. You're like, dude, what is happening? Yeah. So we had some crazy winters for sure. You ain't short. You're like, what, 6 '2", 6 '3"? I'm 6 '1". Are you 6 '1"? Almost 6 '1". I mean, dude, you look taller than that. I appreciate it. I mean, I really do hunch. Yeah. I got to work on that. Don't be all. It's like I'm sitting here trying to like, this posture, you know? I'm holding my kid.

4:39I'm like, This is not getting any better. Oh, dude, funny thing about that. Like, you can go lift weights, right? And it's like, that's bearable. But when you're holding a baby that won't sleep and you're walking around trying to give your wife some time, how bad do your shoulder blades hurt? Yeah, it's just, now you get almost, I used to say I had like, I didn't know if it was golf elbow or dad elbow. Yeah, dad elbow, man. Dad elbow. And I'd be like, yo, I can't believe I'm complaining about this. but like i would like i like be on stage like playing guitar and i'm like yo like what happened i was like father injury bro like yeah i was like it's just so like you just get so used to it i didn't need to switch arms dude it's crazy like like to your point like when you're carrying a baby like it it it does burn yeah yeah especially if you can't get him to sleep so um okay so let's go through the beginning you know you got into music i believe it was in college right yeah uh Well, yeah, I kind of high school, I was always in music.

5:36I was in choir, but I was really a jock and I was trying to, you know, I wanted to do sports after high school. But then I ended up, you know, placing in state singing and getting a vocal performance scholarship to Mizzou. And then, you know, the rest is kind of history. I decided not to play baseball and go up to Mizzou and chase that. and, you know, got a business degree as well and kind of next thing you know, finished college, went straight to Nashville. I always wanted to go straight to Nashville. Like it was like in high school when I knew I was going to do music and then I had fun four years in college.

6:09So I'm glad I did it. But yeah, it was nice to see like when I did some more background diving because I know your music obviously, but I was like, I wanted to know Tyler, you know, I wanted to know what the journey was. I didn't know that you played baseball though. Yeah, no, I've played a bunch of sports. What position? Center field. oh wow really i was a catcher oh yeah dude damn man crazy i played at lsu so i played in the sec and it's crazy bro that's awesome crazy and i thought that was going to be my path right and and it turned out like i get to sit in chairs and talk to badasses like you right back what a dream dude so i was i didn't play at lsu that's amazing dude i was telling my boy chris here um that i feel like i'm in the big leagues like i feel like this right here is my big leagues and you know it's a lot like you, you know, I don't feel we've hit our, I know we haven't hit our peak yet.

6:57And that's always hard to deal with, man. You know, it's like, you know what you have inside you. How do you really filter that in your own mind? Because I am positive that you think and truly believe in every fiber of your body that you should be way up here now. Yeah. Yeah. How do you, how do you work through that, man? uh okay it's just it's such a grind and and i want to get to be like the biggest household name and it just feels like look like anything else there's a lot of politics involved in in any industry that you're in it whether it was baseball anything like when you're a catcher at lsu there's politics involved in every any path you take obviously and uh you know the music industry is a very very hard industry cutthroat man and it's it's you know sometimes it's bless your heart to your face it's not real and there's a lot of like there's a lot of fake and a lot of bs you gotta kind of swim through um i just always try to say like true to myself and just know that like i don't take no for an answer never really have i am you know i am first generation hispanic i'm 50 hispanic i think i do have a little bit of that you know that uh that fire in me you know to kind of i definitely see there's a hispanic side to me that's like yo i'm gonna get this like no one can tell me no kind of thing i get that from my mom but um yeah to to kind of be where I'm at today.

8:17Um, there's just different choices that I made, um, uh, during my career. And it was more about betting on myself than it was on anybody else. But sometimes when you do that, um, what's a hundred percent of nothing, you know, it's nothing. So sometimes I didn't give up percentages of things and I really just kept re betting on myself and reinvesting in myself. And, um, it's made me, uh, very sustainable in life and in a way better position than a lot lot of people that took the wrong risk, but some other people that took, you know, a lot of money from other people and a lot of things like that.

8:49And then it didn't, they didn't strike lightning again, you know, now they're not in the career, they don't have a career anymore. Um, and I've been doing this, you know, I've been doing this for four, you know, I've been in Nashville 13 years, almost 14 and, um, I've never had a real job. And, uh, so, you know, like it's, it's amazing. I'm a songwriter, I'm an artist. Uh, you know, I do everything I possibly can, uh, in music and, And from the house, you know, how the biggest I want to be, like I'm working with the biggest artist in the world with Pitbull and he's like a mentor and it's really helped elevate to where I want to get to.

9:22It helps me dance between genres a little bit too. That's so dope, dude. I'm a redneck from Missouri, but I'm Hispanic and I love, I grew up with a pop station, a country station. I'm just kind of putting everything out there. I'm exactly who I am. And that's why the album was called Atypical. But, you know, before we dive into all that, it's like really just honestly, like I think mentally every day it's just like I can't live through comparison and I make sure that like I have my focus goals and I have good support team around me and I just literally just try to stay laser focused on that and uh the creativity part in my life is so fun and I feel like that is what really drives me it's like coming up with song ideas constantly and just thinking about music and like you know I have a studio session after this and it's like just every second of every day I'm thinking about music and I just know where I'm supposed to be.

10:09And I know I'm going to get there to the top. You know, I feel like I'm in the middle somewhere, but I'm going to get there. Yeah. I think you're middle, but you're above middle, man. I think, I think we're, we're smelling it. We're smelling it. We're on the home stretch. Now you may have seen the buzz, but let me give you the inside scoop. Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, King Griffey, Jr. Mark McGuire, all the greats. What they have in common, they have collectibles and they're being sold on whatnot right now. and it brought me back to my childhood. Knowing that I can get my hands on something cool like that really gives me hope.

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11:24That's because you're not just listing products. You're building real connections with buyers. search whatnot w-h-a-t-n-o-t in the app store download and you can start selling right away so what i'm hearing is overnight success yeah shit right what i'm hearing is authenticity 100 yes and i think there's a lot there's a lot of uh there's there's a lot of uh authenticity lacking in the music industry um i think there's a lot of people it's just when you kind of pull the curtain back, I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of fake made people. Um, and that can be a thing. And I don't, I don't think that's wrong.

12:02I just think that that's the life you end up having to live. It's not your path. Right. It's so funny because like in the podcast industry, I think with anything, there's a lot of fake made people taking the elevator to success. And you always see the ones that have a lot of capital behind them. They blow up really quickly, but then you find it's very empty, you know? So like, I always love the fact that, Hey, hey, I'm choosing a lane, right? No one else is doing it how we're doing it, right? Most people are going to sit there and, you know, rapid fire questions, move on to the next one. I'm bringing out the soul in my guests to give to the audience so they can learn.

12:40And there might be other people doing that. I don't want to, you know, sound like I'm altruistic or I'm the only one, but I listen to a lot of shows because I study, right? I study, nothing is done without any type of preparation, but we're also unscripted, right? We, I know where I want to go with conversations. Then I always also lean on my intuition and my talents to bring out the best conversation, right? So it's like the authenticity part of it, could I be further along if I was rage baiting people and click baiting people? Probably, but what's the cost of that? I don't know I see a lot of people that rage bait and get after people and somehow they're still living at the top and there's not really a lot of sometimes I just wonder I'm like how do you sustain that and some people sometimes they do which is crazy you know who's the best at it the Paul brothers oh yeah they're amazing they're so smart dude they are so smart like they're so good I watch all their stuff I watch their show like they're genius Paul American you watch that I watch it yeah I need to watch that uh coey red told me about that show last night i thought it was good like i heard it's good and honestly like everything like i see what they're doing but it's also just like it's very entertaining and they're very smart like they're the i mean you look back at i don't know how old you are but i'm 47 i'm 37 okay so um back in the day when tyson and holyfield and all those fighters lennox lewis i mean you had don king like he was the king he was the no pun intended but he was it's dude it's it's the paul brothers i mean like if you even look at like what they did with tom brady i smelled that a mile away oh it was amazing i was like okay cool so they're gonna do all this they're gonna promote the flag football thing and then gronk's gonna get pissed off and they're gonna fight right and that and then they announced you know and i i know gronk right because he's been on the show i messaged him like hey dude get it done man but um you know he's awesome oh dude he's great but i do think the paul brothers are being their authentic selves yeah um but they just know something that not many other people know.

14:46They know the algorithm. They know how to, to grab people into the screen and shove them right in the face and then not get off their videos. But I, but again, back to the, the initial point is I don't think they're being disingenuous, disingenuous. I think they're being themselves and I think they understand things that we don't understand. But the one thing that I always hold onto, and I think you're a lot like me in this regard is like if we move from being our our authentic selves we're not going to be happy at anything we achieve because it's not real that's how i feel yeah yeah very well said that's it i've had a lot of different opportunities to not be my authentic self uh and you know i've even dabbled in like maybe reaching for something that wasn't fully me and then having to pull back and then find myself again but that's just a part of learning who you are as an artist and what I want my career to look like and what I want to look back on and be proud of.

15:42But yeah, man. Dude.

15:46As a father, that is more important than you realize. Yeah, no, I feel that. It changed my life two years ago, even that. Let's talk about that a little bit. Back into some more country stuff. So, you know, your oldest is 21 months. Yes. And then your newest baby is what, a couple months old? No, yeah, like 40-something days old. Dude, so like a month. Yeah. Like, dude. We're the NICU for like half of that. Yeah, you told me that. How was that for you, man? You and your wife. How did you work through that? I was more like, she started working at Vanderbilt, and I was like, all right, we get a free birth.

16:17This is sick. And then we go in the NICU, and I'm like, this deleted the whole purpose of getting a free birth. It's like, well, come on, man. Be better. How much money are we racking up? It's 17 days in here. What are we doing? Oh, man. Was the baby early? Really early, yeah. And actually, the baby dropped the day my album dropped, basically, like midnight of that same day. And I was playing the House of Blues in Houston and then came through the night, and I was going to do a pop-up just for fans that we announced the week of. And we were going to do these pop-up, unplugged shows. Personally, just for me, it was just more like, I want to supersede the super fans and markets I haven't been to in a long time.

16:58I haven't been to Austin in a second to play, probably since 2019. Oh, damn. and so maybe yeah and that was for radio so like honestly like we were on our way to austin and we had hit team hit venues had the band and i was like yo we finished house of blues we're going to austin we're gonna do a pop-up we're doing another pop-up in fort worth and like move there and then we'll fly back like it was all just like on the fly teams hitting up the venues are like film or hell yeah like come in and like i would do like an acoustic unplugged that we had set up we ended up doing a couple of them before uh before the album launch but then the other ones all got uh canceled and rescheduled because my baby was born on you know on basically on the release day so we had to veer to the airport in Austin immediately from Houston because we were on our way and then I get on the plane and then someone said something like someone on my team said something to the you know the person on the plane so now it's a whole ordeal and everyone's like staring at me the whole flight and they're like is he gonna make it to see the birth of his child it was like a yeah real life movie for everyone I guess and then like they pause everyone on the plane I run off the plane I had my dad like waiting out in the Nashville airport jumped in the car took me straight to the airport my daughter was born two hours later they had like they're kind of like trying to hold her off on not being too dilated and like where she was and like I got there and then it was go time and then yeah it was crazy what was was there anything else going through your mind because you obviously knew it was early right and it's like so you're having to rush the airport oh my god can't miss it but then also was there was there other worries that you had to work through in those moments yeah so many worries I mean honestly like my first kid like the birth was not easy and there was a lot of things that that were very scary during that I'm not going to go into all that yeah no during the birthing process with my wife and everything so like that was always in the back of my head and then it kind of started happening again during this birth and then the baby wasn't like fully breathing with her lungs and so all of a sudden I was like here we and it was just it was super super nerve-wracking the whole time but yeah um but now everyone's healthy it's amazing um it's such a blessing and I wouldn't trade it for the world honestly it's it's uh and you know I I don't know I think I think we're done after two but i mean it ain't easy no it ain't you know it ain't easy man it's the biggest blessing in the world but it's it's also so damn hard man and nobody is honest you know we talked about it you know when you got here with go chris back here him and his wife were about to have their first shout out to the petersons um you know sorry i was just so blunt i said two two words to him and i walked up i go hey man the first three months of that baby's in your life your life is your life's over it's the worst experience because no one just no one says it everyone like or we forget and I and I get it's such like I said a blessing it's amazing like miracle and it's the best thing ever but like your life especially with the first kid like eight and I look I live a life as an artist like you know like I'll go out like I work all day I I go to the studio I write I got shows I'm traveling constantly then you're talking to people like your social meter is drained at all times like doing this and so then like when you get home like you need those hours of sleep just to kind of run it back again and then next thing you know it's like well I can't drink as much I gotta like that's hard for a country artist yeah hey come on and and uh you know it definitely that definitely made me less of a degenerate and a better person but the shell shock of like just think no one telling me how bad those three months are going to be and when I say bad I just mean like a life awakening experience of like yo like they depend on you every waking moment and like and then it's just like something switches in your whole life where it's like I think I'm a whole different human now I operate my business differently I've had more success I've had a growth and success since my child was born like it's honestly like maybe I wasn't fully doing it right maybe that's why it was such a shell shock honestly Honestly, you don't look like you're too crazy, so I feel like it's not going to be as much of a shell shock, but maybe you're hiding this from me.

21:10You're not drunk at 10 a.m., so that's a good start. I think you'll be okay. Yeah, he could be. What's in that bottle, man? Yeah, he could be on some gummies. We don't know. We don't know, man, which is fine. Yeah, which is great. Yeah. Those are great for fatherhood. You can't do that in Tennessee, man. You can. Oh, wow. Yeah, we got THC on draft at the bar. Really? Oh, yeah, that stuff's good, man. The THC seltzers? so good i'm a huge fan big fan huge fan big fan and that was something i found in fatherhood and i was like these are great yeah it chills you out yeah it still kind of curves my anxiety you know yeah that's the other thing dude as a father i mean the amount of anxiety that i feel so so many times i you didn't get to meet them but my my wife and my youngest was here um for yesterday's shows and they had to fly back so i had to pick up you know my my two oldest from school and and get them home and um so they're on they're probably at the airport now but the amount of anxiety that i feel not traveling with them is insurmountable like i cried leaving the hotel room this morning it's just it's the the amount of stress a father feels that we don't talk about yeah and and you know i don't know if it's because men are supposed to be strong and you're not supposed to talk about these things.

22:25But bro, the moment I had a child is when I started worrying about a billion different things every day. Yeah. It's so real. Yeah, man. Yeah, dude. But dude, congratulations. You're doing it right, man. Thank you, man. You know what, man? Like these things, you know, it's, it's like anything fatherhood and being a parent, you know, for the, for the, the moms out there too, this is for you. And you know, you have your careers and you have everything going on. And also, So, well, by the way, sustaining a marriage and a relationship and connection, right? There's adversity in everything, you know, and we have to fight through those moments and do the best we can and not worry about the outcome, right?

23:07Like the gift is in the struggle. The gift is in the struggle with you becoming a new father again, you know, your music, everything. That's what builds you into who you're going to be for when you break that threshold. because it's coming. It's coming. And, like, you need to be ready for it, right? And all these moments prepare you. I agree. I feel like even the ride to this point from a career aspect, and you say that moment's coming, it's like, if it all ended tomorrow, like, I feel like I've already accomplished everything. I mean, so much of everything that I've ever, like, younger me, when I first moved to Nashville 13 years ago, would be looking at me like, you did it.

23:52you made it you you did it like everything you wanted to do you did it I mean I've pretty much played every huge venue across America and in Europe um I've you know I've been on most TV shows I've I feel like I've everything that you know maybe I don't know it's just weird I just feel like I feel like I've accomplished so much um and I've I've broken barriers that and I have certain accolades that some of the biggest artists in the world don't have wow so I feel like I'm at a point where it's like I'd be so proud of what I've done to this point I have to remind myself that because I'm such a driven person and I still have to fight to not compare myself and everything like that but and there's so much politics and it's just like you have to just understand like everyone has an agenda and you just gotta stay and do what's best for you and just hope that other people will continue to align with you to get you to where you know that big moment is but I feel like even if I was like at Pitbull's level or when I get there, I still feel like I'm going to be working towards another level.

24:52It never stops. I feel like I'm never going to stop. It never stops, man. And I'm glad you brought that up because that was one of my questions. If everything ended today, would you be proud? I'm so proud. And that's something that I struggle with as well. It took me a long time to say that, but I'm telling you since the kid, like I, I truly like where I'm at today, I'm like, yeah, I just feel like I'm, I'm, I'm so proud. And I, I need to say that out loud more. Cause like sometimes I'm like, I'm so, I'm so critical of myself and trying to make sure I make everyone happy. And I had to learn, like, I'm not going to make everyone happy.

25:26I can't be overly loyal anymore because people are now inadvertently, even if they don't mean it, leeching off me and taking stuff and taking my valuable time and not giving back the same energy and I'm just allowing it to happen dude I go through that so much Tyler it's like I mean you know it anytime I have someone on that's of of any type of

25:51level oh can you talk to him for me can you do I might but like I work to get here like I'm just gonna give you the keys of the kingdom but I also love helping people. So it's like a constant, it's a balance, man. And, you know, it's hard, you know, but what I struggle with is what you seem to be. I think you're further ahead than I am in the, if everything ended today, you know, if podcasts were no longer a thing, would I be proud? I would say yes, but I would be like, damn, another almost? Another almost, man, yeah. I mean, think about that. So many almosts in my life. It's crazy. There's two words right there.

26:36Another almost. I don't know if I can shoulder another almost. Now, you may have seen the buzz, but let me give you the inside scoop. Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., Mark McGuire, all the greats. What do they have in common? They have collectibles. And they're being sold on WhatNot right now. And it brought me back to my childhood. Knowing that I can get my hands on something cool like that really gives me hope. So if you're selling online or out of a storefront, full-time or as a side hustle, you already know the challenges. You're hoping for people to find your listing or waiting for them to walk in.

27:11Whatnot flips that right on its head. On Whatnot, you go live and sell directly to people in real time. They see what you've got, they ask questions, and buy. And they keep coming back. Whatnot is the largest dedicated live shopping platform, whether it's beauty, collectibles, electronics, luxury fashion, or heck, even cookies. sellers are building real thriving businesses. Anyone can sell whether your business is big, small, or yet to exist. People selling on whatnot sell 10 times more than on other major marketplaces. That's because you're not just listing products. You're building real connections with buyers.

27:48Search whatnot, W-H-A-T-N-O-T in the app store, download, and you can start selling right away. you know and but also i look at what we've created we've been in rooms with jay leno you janna kramer um i've interviewed william h macy been in the room tony freaking goldwin bro yeah from scandal like other podcasters are looking at this like that's the goal and then me three years ago, you know, or even a year ago, be like, that's my goal. But things shift, right? You're like, okay, myself, like you, I'm a heavy driver. Like I have to be the best I can possibly be. And I am nowhere close. And, you know, one question I wanted to ask you, because, you know, you say like you, you want that household name.

28:47I also want that. Yeah. I crave it. I know why I want it and I'll get to that, but I want to know why you want it. What is the main underlying variable? The reason why you want that? I think anything I've ever done, and I think sports kind of ingrained that into you, but, um, I'm a no quit, like take no for an answer. Like I love someone telling me I can't do something. Put gas in that engine, baby. Yeah. And so it's just ingrained in me. I don't fully have, like, and like I said, even when I got to that top, I'm probably still going to be chasing the biggest part of that top, you know, like whatever I could do to beat.

29:25It's just, the grind is so fun to me. I love that. And rewarding. And especially when I'm doing something that I love, like music and writing and performing. And then knowing that I'm doing something I'm so passionate about that I love, that's like my favorite thing in the world. I get to do that for a living and so like if I can like do that at the highest level I just feel like it doesn't answer it doesn't solve anything or make my life any better like I said I'd be proud if it all ended tomorrow but it's like it just is the competitive drive in me to be the best of the best and that's like I think it's just who I am and I don't know have a full answer of why I just uh and like I said when I get there it's not gonna be like a all right what do I do now I did it I'm just I've made it I'm just gonna keep doing it like I'm just gonna keep doing it and keep chasing things that I love musically and, you know, trying to break barriers that like maybe people don't expect because that's something I love.

30:20And I'm just going to find new versions of things that I haven't tried yet because music is so versatile and there's so many paths and so many directions I go and can go. And honestly, like there's not enough years in life for me to accomplish all the things I want to do in music anyway. Like I'm just going to do everything I possibly can. And then, like I said, I'm already proud. So it's okay. You know, I look at your music and it's, every song I listen to makes me feel good. Oh yeah. So when I look at you and when you're that household name, cause it's coming, you're going to be making people feel good all over the globe.

30:58Appreciate it. That's big. That's impact. And for me, you know, when I reach that household name, When I reach that, I'll never be Joe Rogan. I'm going to be Sean French, right? You know, I can't be him. I can't be these other big names, but I can execute at the highest level of what I'm capable of. And being that household name for me, I want to walk in places and people go, holy shit, that's Sean French. Here's why. It's not an ego play. I mean, it's not a, look at me. I'm this, you know, dude that was a salesperson. that turned into one of the biggest podcasters in the world. What it is for me is impact.

31:41When I get messages and I get them daily, bro, this guy reach out to me from New Zealand, going through something with his wife. She made a mistake about four years ago. He's trying to work through it. He's in New Zealand and he found me on Spotify and sends me a message and didn't ever think I would write back, that's what I'm after. Like that right there because, and then when I responded with a voice, something. He's like, whoa, like, dude, thank you. I'm like, bro, I'm a human that cares about other humans. I never want to lose that touch. You know, now granted as things grow, it's going to be harder for me to do it.