How to Lead Your Family in a Broken World: Larry Hagner’s Blueprint

23:46He always wants to play catch. And when he comes up to me and he's like, Hey, can we go out and play catch? And there's that part of me, it's like, maybe I should do something like more important or like maybe help out mom or help this kid with homework or do work over here. I think about that experience that rock had. So even every part of me, it's like, I've got other priorities. I just look at them and I say, yes. And here's the cool thing. I think a lot of us think like, well, if I'm going to go out and play catch, it's gotta be for like two hours. Like after like 20 minutes, he's ready to move on to something else.

24:19So like sometimes like playing catch, it's like literally, it's like a, it's like this tiny moment in time, but it's always special. And the last thing I'll say about that is I've never once regretted saying yes when I want to potentially say no. It's an interesting topic and I'm glad you said that. And that's why I wanted to stick on it because I don't view you as having that hard time with playing with your kids. I see you as always playing with your kids and, and accepting that. And for a long time, I would look at you and be like, why am I not like this? Why am I not like Larry in this? Because, you know, there are times where, and again, like there's external environments too.

25:02Like there's some times where, you know, my wife will say, well, we got to do X, Y, and Z. I'm like, okay, well, can we just, can we just be, can, you know, in it, in it. And then I go, you know, I need to take Bobby to the cages. I need to do this with him. I need to do that with him. Well, yes. Well, maybe on this day you can, I'm like, well, that's not enough. That's just one day a week. It's got to be multiple days a week because if he wants to be good at something, we have to show him the way and it just gets very convoluted. I'm not putting this on my wife. I'm not saying that, but there's, there's stuff that needs to be ran in the household.

25:31And I think there's a lot of noise when it comes to kids going to a prep school and the demands that are placed on them. But I just, Thank you for sharing that, man. I mean that dude, that, I mean that right there, that, that monologue, I think really probably helped a lot of fathers, even mothers that are listening to this, you know, because for me, it's hard. Like my daughters, Hey, can we go play Barbies? I'm like, uh, what the, like, really? Like, you know, sometimes I'll do it, but like, I don't feel I play enough with my kids and it's something that I beat myself up over a lot. And, And, you know, I don't say my kids don't ask me anymore because it's not there.

26:10They're just so dang busy with everything they have going on. It just doesn't come up. But, um, dude, let's talk about your book, man. Let's talk about the book. Yeah. So funny thing about this book is it's actually, I think, kind of fascinating how the book came about because it actually, the pursuit of legendary fatherhood actually turned into another book. So, um, truth be told, I wrote pursuit of legendary fatherhood. It just came out September 16th. Uh, but I wrote it back in 2023. So, um, which was kind of funny because, but I've added to it before we, before I launched it. Um, but I originally wrote Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood and I was going to go through, uh, I, I was going through a publisher, I had a contract and everything.

26:51And then, uh, six weeks before my launch and back in 2023, um, the, the, I got an email that the publishing company was going bankrupt. And I'm like, so I reached out to the CEO and I'm like, hey, I was like, uh, we're supposed to launch this book in six weeks. I just got this email. He's like, yeah, yeah. The company's going under. And I'm like, uh, okay. I was like, well, what happens to my book? He's like, well, um, I can either help you self-publish or I can just write, just, you know, sign the rights back over to you. I was like, I'll just take the rights. So I hired a, a literary agent and she's been in the game for like 40 years.

27:25And, uh, I was connected to her through a friend and she's like, if you got a good book, I'll know it. I've been in this game for a long time. So I sent her the book. She's like, I love this book. She's like, I'd love to rep it. And like, so she, she went and shopped it. Uh, we got a few meetings with publishers and then Morehouse publishing contacted us and they're like, Hey, we liked the book. We want to, we want a meeting. So this is, this is an August of 2023. And I'm sitting here thinking like, Oh, we're going to, we're going to sign a contract to publish this book. I'm sitting here thinking like, this is the easy button.

27:54The book's already done. It's already edited. It's already designed. All they have to do is publish it. And, and they go, we like your book, but we actually want you to write another one. And I'm like, what? I was like, what do you mean? Why don't we write another one? And they're like, well, we want to hold off on this one because we just had a woman, uh, write a book called the beauty of motherhood. That's a faith-based approach to motherhood. And it's, it's killing it. It's going gangbusters. So we want you to write a book called spirit to fatherhood, a Christian based approach to fatherhood.

28:26And even though we just had this conversation about faith, right. I was just like, I looked at these three people who I was on the zoom call with and I'm like, are you serious? I was like, I was like, I seriously think you guys have the wrong guy for this one. I was like, I'm, I'm so new to my faith. I've just learned it. You know, like I, I am not qualified to even write a chapter of this book and they kind of smiled and they're like, we know we've been watching you and we, we've been listening to your podcast. We know you're new to your faith, which is the exact reason why we want you to write it.

28:55Because we think that you can write this book from a perspective of being shoulder to shoulder with a man instead of preaching from a pulpit. And I was like, I was like, I can do that. I was like, because if you want me to write the book is like, we're all kind of learning this together. I can do that. And, uh, I got in front of my screen and I had this blank screen up and I exited out of that. And I emailed my agent and I was like, I'm not writing this book. I want out of this contract. I'm not going to do it. Wow. And she's like 65. She called me. She's like, she's like a mom. She's like, sweetheart, what's going on?

29:28And I was like, I'm not qualified to write this book. She goes, yes, you are. You need to write this book. And I was like, I have the worst writer's block ever. I'm sitting here at the blank screen. So I ended up writing the book and they needed it in 11 weeks and I wrote it in nine. So it came out the following year. and then I had a contract that I couldn't launch Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood for one year after that. So I, that's, that's why I'm doing it. But the funny thing was, is Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood was supposed to be out a couple of years ago and it just launched now, but it led to another book.

30:01That's pretty cool, man. I mean, we all, so those are the times of struggle, right? And where you don't feel you're worth something and, and having people in your corner to tap back into you and say, Hey dude, you are qualified. You are the man to write this. And then from that point on is just falling to your disciplines and your systems. And, you know, this shows that determines society is being determined to write this and just get something out there. And the one thing that I find most people struggle with, including myself, is looking at the top of the mountain. And that's what you were doing at that moment.

30:32You're looking at the top of the mountain. I have to write this. This is not the way I scripted it. My book's already done. Now I got to write this. I'm not qualified, but just writing a little bit. And what people need to understand is you don't have to have it all figured out at that moment. You don't even have to know the how you just need to move and do little by little. So true. And that's what I did, man. And like, even like the, the crazy timeline that they gave me, they were like, you know, we need you to write this in, in 12 weeks or 11 weeks. And I'm like, you guys are crazy. There's no way.

31:04I was like, it took me a year to write my other book. But like, I ended up injuring my knee really bad at that point in time. And I think that that was like divine intervention because I had no choice but to go through rehab and sit on my rear end and write this book. And there were times, man, I was at Starbucks for like nine straight hours. And the baristas would be like, are you going to stay the night here? I'm like, can I? Just go. But once you're in that flow state, say, you're right. It's like once you take action, it's like, you know, then that momentum usually follows. It's hard because, you know, we go into adversity all the time on the show.

31:37And, you know, for you who is so active, you work out, you've done shows, you know, you, you take care of your temple and then you get hit with this adversity. And most people look at that. I'm like, what now? Right. But you looked at it as an opportunity. I get to write this book now because there's no other option. I can't move my body. So how, how did that help you through your, because I would have to imagine it helped you through your injury in that, in that rehabilitation. It did. It was, it was quite a journey because like, you know, like, yeah, you know, fitness is a huge outlet for me.

32:10So it's like, when you can't do that, you, you usually need another outlet. And sometimes like, I mean, let's just be really honest. Usually when guys need an outlet and they don't have the outlet they're used to, if it's a healthy one, they'll go to an unhealthy one. Yeah, absolutely. And, um, but no, like that, that book was, was a, was a lifesaver because it gave me, it gave me a battle. It gave me an adventure, you know, and that's really what I needed. And, you know, just something to focus on. And it was definitely key. Was any part of the ego kicking when you said, I'm not going to write this book?

32:37Like I'm, I've, I've already written my book. I'm, I'm out. No, it was actually the opposite for this book. So like there, there was, it was more like, I'm going to screw this up. I am, I'm going to write this book and it's going to be so disastrous. Like people are going to pick it apart, say that it's wrong and all this. And none of that happened, but no, it was the actual complete and total opposite. It was the most imposter syndrome I think I've ever felt in my life. man i mean that that's a real thing too it's like you know imposter syndrome is kind of like the thing that you know for the audience that happens when you don't think you're qualified and you're stepping into a new space you're like who the hell am i to even be talking about this and i remember when i started my show like it was a lot of that and that's why i leaned on you alluded to it earlier i leaned on to the big voices like andy versella because i listened to the mf ceo project religiously.

33:28And I just thought that I had to be him in order to, you know, be listened to. And so my shows early on were full of language. My shows early on were full of, you know, look at me, like, you know, you know, insult somebody on, on the, on the video to get their attention. And again, Matthew Hedden, my friend who's always put me in my place, um, said, I had someone say to me that they can't even show your show to their kid. I'm like, well, that's cool because my show is not for their kid. And then I thought about it for two days. I'm like, shouldn't I be for everybody? Like, shouldn't this be a platform that's wholesome?

34:12Shouldn't it be a platform that gives information? Shouldn't it be a bright light in this dark world to where even kids could come and listen? If there's a curse word that slips out here and there, cool. but it was like every other word. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, imposter syndrome, it's like when you latch on to somebody else's persona and think it's going to work for you, it often doesn't. And you're quite honestly, I probably was looked at it like a joke. That's so true. Oh man. That is so true. Or like, uh, I'll give you a piece of podcasting advice if you want it. So your kids are little, my, uh, my kids are older, so they now listen to my show and I'm the, I've done 1400 episodes and my, my oldest son, uh, he at the time was working as a mechanic.

34:52So he had like nine straight hours of listen time. And, uh, um, dude, I'll never forget this because I talked about it on the podcast, but like, you know, I was talking about the importance of date nights and chemistry and creating intimacy and connection with your wife and that kind of thing. And I gave this example of like how me and Jessica, there's a few years ago, we were out on a date, all this great chemistry was happening. And then we let this restaurant went in the parking lot and just totally got it on. And I talked about it and I kept it PG, but like my son comes home he's like dad you did what's up my mom he's like did you mess around with mom in the parking lot of bcs and i'm like yes i did i was like i'm not hiding this i was like so like you know it's funny like when your kids go back and like listen to your podcast like oh like i said that and they're like they're gonna know about that that's funny i mean there were times when me and jackie got it on rest stops like after a concert we did we did yes yes I'm just thinking of dumb and dumber right now.

35:48Find a happy place. But I mean, you know, it's, but it's also really cool for the kids to go back and listen to it and just know that their parents love each other. Right. Exactly. But I could imagine, you know, he's working on, you know, working on an engine and he's like, wait, wait, what did you do to my mom? What? Like what the hell? But no, man, I think it's, you know, it's really cool. You know, your kid listened to the show. I walked in, um i think it was probably about a year ago and this is what hit me i walked in about a year ago my son had this eye the little ipod he was listening to my show and i was mortified hey bro you can't listen to my show why so because there's language in that you can't listen to and i went into my wife and i said hey i think people are right she's what do you mean i'm like bobby was listening to my show she was no and and i'm like well that's the problem it needs to change because I want my children to be able to, you know, turn on the TV.

36:44And of course, you know, cause I subscribed to my YouTube, it comes up, but look, there's daddy. And I think it's cool. And I'm like, dude, it's just because I subscribed to myself. That's all it is. I'm not really on TV, but I want them to feel comfortable and hit and play because I want them to see what's possible. I want them to see the conversations like this. And I just think it's so important, man, but that's a funny story. That's a funny story. Yeah. A little podcast lesson. I'm like, I never really I thought my kids would listen to this, but they do. Yeah. I mean, they, because they're proud of you, right?

37:11They want to listen. Like what does dad actually do? Yeah. Right. It's so funny because my, my youngest, she'll go to school, she'll go to school and she'll talk about dad and she'll go up to her teachers. Do you listen to Determined Society? Like, no, what's that? She goes, you don't know. It's like my dad, he's like famous. You need to, and then I'll go there and then the teacher will say something or, you know and they're like yeah she's like i'm not famous but like did you listen they're like yeah we really like it i was like well cool she's like my biggest marketing assistant she goes to school talks about the determined society that's awesome man in fact one one time uh last year there was an entrepreneur project and she's in kindergarten she goes dad i want to do this with you that's awesome i'm like okay what do you want to do and she goes panda pause podcast dad i'm like what she goes i love pandas and they have cute paws and you have a podcast can we do this together so we did it you know we created revenue streams we did the post no way we did oh my gosh that's awesome pictures of her like you know sitting in front of the microphone in the home office just like acting like she was ripping one off and yeah um and she got third place it was really cool it's a really cool moment oh my gosh that's awesome You know, what we have to understand too, is like when we're doing things like this, or we're just doing what we feel we're led to do, it is translated to the younger generation that is seeing it.

38:38And I always make a joke. People ask me like, when you're done, who's taken over? I'm like, oh, that's easily Mia. Like that's easily Mia. And then my other kids are like, what, what not me? I'm like, she's, she's already, she's acting like she'll be, she'll be in a mirror. Hi, welcome to my YouTube channel. And she doesn't even watch YouTube, right? Well, she, I don't know if she sneaks it, but, um, but those kinds of moments are really cool as a father because you see your, your children stretching themselves and understanding that there's other ways to do something. Yeah, for sure. I love that.

39:11So you're going to rebrand in like 20 years, call it the determined Panda podcast or something. I don't know, man. 20 years. Hopefully I'm done, man. They can do whatever they want with it. But, uh, no, it was just pretty cool moment, man. That cracked me up about, was it Ethan that was listening? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Oh, man. The one who's going to be scarred for life. Yeah, I know. I can't look at you and your wife the same anymore. It's like, yeah, I can't unsee this. Right. But no, there's a lot of funny moments like that in parenting, right? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. My six-year-old, like, daddy, kiss mama.

39:40And then, you know, well, then the older kids are like, oh, I want to see that. And I was like, dude, I love my wife, you know? You know, as much as we get on each other's nerves, she's my rock, you know what I mean? and her well-being and everything like that is super important to me. But, you know, that's the other thing that you do so well is those date nights. You know, we fall into this problem where we don't trust many people with our kids. And I think there's a lot of parents listening right now that want that one-on-one time with their spouse, but they're afraid to just let anybody into the house to watch their kids.

40:17How would you walk them through something like that? how to prioritize it, maybe to find somebody because it's something you do very well, dude. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, like, so I've already talked about like how one of the negative things about me is that I just have a hard time playing with my kids just because like, you know, not because I don't want to spend time with them, but it's because I'm always like, well, shouldn't I go do something that more important type of thing? Marriage though. So, and this was not always so. Like I was not a good husband in the beginning.

40:50I had a lot to learn. Same, dude. But one thing that I can hang my hat on is like, I've become like just this student over the past eight years of marriage. All the skills that are associated with it, connection, intimacy, attraction, all of these, you know, aligning parenting roles, all those things. Like, I love that topic. And I love being a student of it. and this might trigger people, but I, I, I believe it to be true. And that is you're married first and you're a parent second. So, um, and that, that wasn't always the case with me and Jess. And I, I see a lot of other couples get in trouble with that.

41:25So like when the kids come along, what they'll do is they'll, they'll take like those frying pans that are on the stove, right. And they'll take the marriage frying pans and they'll put them on the back burner. And those kids are like on the front burner. And I'm not saying the kids are not a priority there. They're absolutely a priority. But what people I think miss sometimes is that it's like in those early years when, when like, you know, you come home with your first kid and they're babies and like, they're so dependent on you. And like, that's the entire world right there. But I, I, I get the sense a lot of people don't ever exit that, you know, they stay in that.

41:56I'm still in that. With the parenting thing? We're still, we're still in that. And I'm resonating with this because, you know, it, my wife is so entrenched in the school and everything that they're doing, you know i'm entrenched with the kids and we are putting the kids first right and so this is a real issue right not in when you think of issues to have it's it's a pretty decent one to how okay you love your kids so much you're putting them first but at the same time if you're growing apart as a couple right i'm not saying me and jackie are but we could be closer yeah i'm like hey like that's not a knock on my wife i love you i'm not saying that but what i'm saying is like these are things that parents struggle with, man.

42:34They do. And I think, I think a lot of parents, like, I don't know about your situation, but what I've seen with, with the guys that I work with is that there's a, there's a guilt factor. Like, it's almost like, well, shouldn't we, shouldn't the kids come first? Not really. I mean, and I say that, and there's reasoning behind that. If you're married first and a parent second, there are tremendous benefits that go with that. And let me, let me explain. And by the way, when I say we're married first and parent second, I'm not saying like, oh, I know you just broke your leg, but me and mom have a day at night, right?

43:05It's 1A, 1B, man. It's not saying that at all, but we prioritize the heck out of each other. So like every Friday, and this is where like, I think like work-life integration and making decisions. I take off every Friday at 1030 in the morning and I spend my Friday with my wife. That's awesome. We have a date day. So like, you know, we'll either be working out. We'll go for a hike. We'll walk the dog. We'll go for lunch. mess around. Go to BC. Yeah. Go to BC. We'll go to the parking lot, whatever. We're not, we're, we're really public place people now. We'll check out the rest areas, but no, but like only after a concert, it's gotta be dark, but like, you know, every Friday, like that gives us something to look forward to.

43:48Like, even when I wake up on Monday morning, I'm like, Oh man, Friday. Right. But like the battle of that is like, well, shouldn't I be working? Like I'm an entrepreneur. Like if I'm not working, I'm not providing, but I have to make that decision of like, but this is insanely important. And when I say we're married first, parents second, like what my wife and I want to do is if you really think about it, one of the best gifts, one of the best things we can do as parents, like one of the best lessons that we can teach as parents is to teach kids how to have a functional relationship with your significant other.

44:22And kids don't like, if you really look at the statistics, kids don't see that. They see the opposite of that. So it's like, no wonder, like they go to have their own adult relationships and they're like, I don't know about communication. I don't know about attraction. I don't know about conflict resolution. So like, um, Jessica and I, you know, our big thing is I feel this responsibility of like, I have four boys, so I need to model and exemplify what it means to love a woman. Well, right. To make her feel seen, to make her feel heard, to make her feel safe. Like these kids are watching every move that we make.

44:54She feels this tremendous responsibility, even probably more so than I do. She's like, Oh no, no, no. I set the standard. How I treat you is how they're going to tolerate being treated by other girls. So if I'm not treating you well, they're going to tolerate less. So like, and I'll tell you, man, like, um, now that my older sons are dating and my, my one son, his 17 year old has been with his girlfriend for four years. They have a very insanely mature relationship. I'm floored by it. Like they have great balance. They have great communication. They spend time with family and friends and with each other and separate and everything.

45:26And, um, but my wife is like, I need to treat you well because I don't want these teenage girls treating my sons terribly and them tolerating it. So, and the final thing I'll say is this, even the little guys, like we just had this conversation with them probably like a month ago, we sat them down and we're very affectionate with each other. We're very like, we publicly tell each other compliments and how much we love each other in front of the kids. And I asked my little guys, I was like, what is, what do you feel when you see me and mom like love each other? Well, and of course my 11 year old was like gross.

45:58And I was like, no, seriously, man. And then he really thought about it. And so did my nine-year-old, but my 11 year old goes, it feels warm. It feels cozy. It feels comfortable. It feels like I want to be here. And I was like, and I looked at Colton. I was like, what about you? He goes, same. But you know, it's like, it's those adjectives to me, what that says is when I see mom and dad love each other, it makes me want to be here and I feel safe. So the whole time you're talking, I'm like safe, safe, safe, safe. They need to feel safe. Yep. Right. And then that's something that you and Jess are providing.

46:34And like, that's the only word I could think of. Kids need to feel safe. They do. And then the cool, like I didn't grow up with that from a dad perspective. I didn't grow up with that at all. Yeah. But I did with a, with a grandfather. So my grandfather and my grandmother only lived a mile from us. And I spent a ton of time over there and my grandfather, even at like 73 years old would every day, all the time, all the time would just, they'd be sitting at the table. He'd just grab her by the hand and be like, you're so beautiful. I just love you so much. And like, she'd walk by, he would slap her on the butt and pull her on his lap and like joke.

47:09That's something good to see from a 73 year old I know. I'm like, I remember being like, I was like nine years old. And I remember like watching this and I remember the feeling that I had, I was like, I don't feel this way at home. Like I don't feel this way in my own house. And the, and the cool thing, the feeling that I felt was like joy and like just being able to relax and decompress and not knowing that there was going to be like a huge fight or a battle, like watching them. And I know this sounds like weird to say, and I've said this on another podcast, it made me proud of them. It like made me proud to be want to be around them.

47:40So I was like, man, these people like love each other so much. Like this is so cool to see. But at nine years old, you don't really realize that until you look back. There's two places where I've felt super safe in my life. One was my grandma's house. My grandma Dixie, she died in 1997 for pancreatic cancer. She was my everything. She's my best friend. I remember being so excited when I could just go there and spend the night. Like my mom would go and, you know, I don't know, you know, go out with friends or whatever but even if she wasn't like i was just wanting to spend time with my grandma we would watch hobos christmas on vhs and then sidekicks with ernie we make little popcorn balls and she'd you know take that that height of bed you know in the in the living room and take it out and that's where i would sleep and we just had this amazing connection she was my everything i still remember the last baseball game she ever saw me you know i see her here it was a it was against Campolindo and her last I've actually ever saw from me was an O2 count bases load.

48:41And I took an O2 pitch. I was looking away, reacted in from a lefty and I hit a grand slam. That's the last, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. And then she died the summer going into my freshman year in college. And I remember, you know, she was on hospice and she was just literally dying in front of us. And I remember going to a baseball game and, you know, summer ball. I go, grandma hit you a home run today. She goes, you don't have to promise that. Brought her back a home run ball. That's awesome. The very next game I said, Hey grandma, here's another one coming. She goes, honey, same. And those two baseballs are buried with her.

49:16Are they really? They are. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The second place I ever felt really, really safe was every year right around, um, Labor day, we would go up to clear Lake California. My grandparents, you know, had this, you know, mobile home. It was a double wide, right on a creek. And then my aunt, my great aunt and uncle had one right next door and we'd have this massive family reunion. And I just remember those moments of going up there, stopping at the natural spring waterfall to get the waters on the way back and then pulling up and then walking to the front porch and all the Rice Krispie treats and all of everything was just laid out there.

49:54And the whole family was together listening to Randy Travis on the gray boom box, right? Cause that was the vibe. Yeah. And we play croquet, we play badminton and we'd catch minnows in the, uh, in the Creek, me and my cousins, and we would sleep on the porch and we could hear the Creek the whole time. And we can hear the crickets constantly. But those are the two areas. I'm not going to, I'm not saying I never felt safer with my parents. I'm not saying that, but my parents did. They, they resolved their conflict by a lot of yelling, a lot of storming out. And so my limbic system, my nervous system was wired to, when I have conflict, I need to yell.

50:32So I've had to really work through that. And at times still I struggle with it. Right. But those are the two, we were talking about safety, like my grandma and my great grandparents, like they, to me, like made me feel safe all the time, a hundred percent of the time. that's one of the best gifts I think you can give, you know, your kids is that, I mean, that's part of their three needs, you know, to feel seen, heard, and safe. And it's actually the same needs of your wife too, is to feel seen, heard, and safe. But yeah, that's a killer story, man. That's awesome. I remember one time I've never told these stories here.

51:09This is so cool, man. You always bring the best out of me, man. It's, uh, my grandparents also had a cabin in Truckee, California. It was about three and a half hours from my hometown. And we'd always go up there and i don't remember what time of year it was but me my grandma were walking along and there was this flower and i'm like this is a random flower this is what i remember the conversation it was just this pink flower she goes make a wish anything you want and it'll come true i'm like grandma just do it i wish it would snow the next morning my grandma woke me up she goes honey look outside get out of here snowing And we took a picture by that flower.

51:53And that picture to this day is still cut out in my wallet. No way. That is wild, man. So when I lose my wallet at times, I freak out. And I was like, we can get the cards. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. The only picture I have of me and my grandma is in that wallet. Yeah. After the show, you got to show me that. I will. I'll take you out to my truck. It's out back. I'll show it to you. That would be awesome. I would love to see that. That's just crazy, man. Well, dude, thank you so much, man. This has been the fact that you flew from Missouri to come see me. and I'm gonna have to fly up to you.

52:20Yeah, you will. You have to come in the Dad Edge studio. I would love to come to the Dad Edge studio. It's so funny having you on three different times. The conversations have just amplified to be so much better. And it's because I understand what I'm doing more now, but I also understand you a great deal more. And I'm just so happy to share your story, your book and who you are with my audience once again. I would say it's probably gonna be the last time, but probably not. Probably not. If I know two years, you'll be back on anyway. but I can't think of anybody else I'd rather have on multiple times.

52:52Thank you. This is a real honor, man. Um, I, I appreciate you having me on to talk about the book. Um, and, and obviously the conversation, um, but yeah, just so the audience knows like how the book is just sort of divided up. Um, it's, um, so it's called pursuit of legendary fatherhood is divided up into four parts. Um, the first part's called the drift, um, which a lot of, a lot of us slip into that. Um, then there's husband, uh, father and leader. So, uh, basically everything that, uh, we've learned in the dad edge ecosystem for the past 10 years, I, I pretty much put into that book. Um, and if, if your audience, um, wants a signed copy of it, um, I, I did this, I did this campaign, um, right.

53:35It was about six weeks before the book launched and it was, uh, you know, we built a landing page, you know, 28 bucks. You can buy a copy of the book. And then And I was given, I decided to give away two of my most popular courses. One is called creating more patients. It's for help, help guys with patients. And then creating extraordinary marriage where you learn 11 skills on how to connect with your wife, build intimacy and attraction. And I was like, I'll just put this page together. And, you know, and my assistant was like, how many books do you think we'll, we'll sell? And I was like, I don't know, 20.

54:04We sold a ton of books. in six weeks. I think, I think there were, we sold over$11 ,000 in books. It was nuts. I've never seen anything like it. Um, so what I decided to do was, is if you, if your audience goes to the data edge.com forward slash legendary book, I actually decided to leave that landing page up for the rest of the year. Cause obviously the, I think people really want the courses like, cause you know, they, I figure if someone really wants the book, then they can dive right into the courses. But I just decided to leave that promotion up for the rest of the year. So if anybody wants those courses.

54:36So what is it? What is the website again? The dad edge.com forward slash legendary book, all one word. Okay. I'm going to need that link to, um, Danny, we'll put those that in the show notes, uh, help push that out. I'm going to, I'm going to do that because I want to learn more from you. And of course I want to read the book because you know, it's good material, right? So where else can they find and interact with you? You got a lot going on. You have, you have marriage coaching, right? You have, um, that edge community and, and dude, Like let's not sleep on the actual show here. I appreciate that, man.

55:06Yeah. So the podcast, I always joke, if you've, if you've never listened to the data edge podcast, I have enough content, probably keep you busy for 10 years. Cause it's, it's 10 years of content and 1400 episodes. I literally just recorded my 1400 episode with my nine-year-old. I've got like 234 and I thought it was a lot. Yeah. 1400. I've been talking a lot. But you can always find me on Instagram. Everything is at the data edge, Instagram and Facebook and everything else. Um, you know, for anybody out there that, you know, if, if you're, you know, the podcast is great, you know, it's a great resource, but if you want more and you want more interaction, um, there's, we, we have three different programs.

55:40So I have what's called the data edge Alliance. That's for men who have careers. It doesn't matter if it's a white collar, blue collar, but, um, that's our basic program. We have, we have several guys in that program. We also created a program called the data edge business boardroom and that's for business owners. Uh, so that's where we just, we cater to the needs of a business owner. because quite frankly, we're wired quite a bit different and we're usually super high drivers and we drive really, really far in our businesses and we tend to neglect things at home. So we built that program. Then I do one-on-one marriage coaching as well.

56:11That's so awesome, dude. But yeah, if anybody ever needs anything or they can go to thedadedge.com forward slash mastermind for those programs. And if they want one-on-one coaching, they can just email info at thedadedge.com. Beautiful, man. Thank you so much, dude. And for the audience, go check them out. seriously. Let's see what he's all about. Listen to his show, dive into his content. And if there's anything that resonated with you, fully endorse working with Larry here and learning from him and learning how to be a better spouse, better father and a better human. I appreciate that. I need to, I need to be a better shopper of shoes, depending on what I see there.

56:46These are so clean. These are, these are, these are cold, bro. Like I got these, I remember I got these at the Miramar outlets here like three years ago yeah and i'm like those are really cool but i find everywhere and then you know um i started wearing them out i'm wearing them a lot i get like i get a lot of compliments yeah these ones are cool i need more of them though yeah i need more but uh dude thanks again thank you share the show with somebody you know love and trust make sure you listen to it it's an entirety until next time stay determined