Overcoming Failure | How Jake Bostwick Turned Loss Into Resilience

0:07I've been to battle. I've had to stand and fight and battle. Most people when they lose they stop. They tell themselves the story that maybe this wasn't for them. You either choose to get up or you don't. Always choose to get up. A lot of people when they lose something they go down the rabbit hole of I'm just not that good. or the loss. Definitely learn from your mistakes. The wins are the wins. There's a special fighter inside every single one of us, but it's your job to call on that fighter. You've got to look at the full picture. How did I mess up? What did I do wrong? What could I have done better?

0:44That's how I'm going to grow and get better. You're at the top of the ladder ball, bro. You are busting cork. If you are not doing that anymore, then yeah, there's going to be an identity issue there. If you get knocked down, you can't retreat. You have to get back up and do the things that you know you need to do to get better. Determination. I think, are you willing to throw all your eggs in the basket to pursue something that you want and want to take? I think you're either all in or you're all out.

1:26Jake Boswick, welcome to the Determined Society. Absolute pleasure, man. Thanks so much. Absolutely. Great introduction, man. Dude, I mean, I kind of bumbled a little bit of it up, but hopefully the editors can cut some of it out. Yeah, they'll work on that. But, man, no, those are hard. But, dude, what an amazing background, dude. Like, I don't want to start where we're at now, though. I want to go all the way back. You know, Southeast London, there was a teenager losing fights before the knockouts and all that kind of stuff. What was he actually chasing? I don't even know what he was chasing, bro.

2:00It was just, again, the area I was from, Southeast London, a lot of dramas, a lot of problems. I grew up fighting, grew up around violence in general anyway. And then it was just one thing led to the next, getting into the gym. you know i started doing taekwondo when i was like eight seven eight nine years old my dad used to take me there and um i was a very active kid you know i was playing rugby and very contact sports and you know i had that young man energy you know and then um yeah you know a lot of drums in the streets a lot of problems here and there i was fighting adults like grown-ass men when i was you know a little jit mate like a teenager like yeah and then one thing led to another mate you know i'm over 50 professional fights in now um i can control my anger i can control when i flick that switch i'm always got a smile on my face until i don't have to and um you know it's a very different story then you know yeah absolutely so you you grew up in the farrier state right i grew up on the farrier state yeah southeast london and and and that right there like i this is what i've heard i don't know you can fact check it for me is people would hide that from their resume so they could get a job because it had a poor reputation very bad name so we call them council estates okay so if you're you know got no money or whatever you know and you you just bummed off the government you just get given somewhere to stay you know as such obviously my dad was working and so forth my mom wasn't um and then um yeah i grew up on the ferrier um yeah very rough rough area again i grew up with it so it was more just part of the culture that was around you know um but then you know you see a lot of you know drugs and fire and violence you know stuff outside pubs this that and the other and um yeah it was uh it was it was a bad spot and you can even look it up now it's completely changed you know there's they completely ripped the whole of the ferrier down and now they've built it up to be something that is that is that it wasn't you know some of the penthouses up there are like almost like a million million pounds yeah it's crazy wow so the the the complexion of that area has changed quite drastically even even where i grew up even where i was born greenwich hospital okay um even that's not there anymore that's been completely derelict that's it that's so been um smashed down and now it's like a massive um health and fitness spot actually my mom works there now she gave birth to me there and there is a whole new thing you know 30 odd years later well that's cool my mom actually uh works in there there which is quite crazy you know it's it's you mentioned something about your upbringing you said it was just the way it was it's just how it you know you were born into as a culture did that give you the edge it definitely gave me um that was bullied you know other people pick on me and you know i remember crying being scared or whatever um and people pick on me and i even remember telling my dad um again this is the lifestyle you know so it was like i'm gonna telling my dad oh this kid was doing this doing that that was like yeah let's go see him so my dad would go take me to these kids oh wow and make me confront them you know um and then i'll probably give them a slap or whatever fighting these kids i haven't quite a few times but they would be there and be like all right look there'll be a bunch of i'm always like i was always on my own or with a couple friends but no one was really about fighting um and i have people picking or trying or starting something tell my dad that was like yeah let's go see them then and my dad would literally take me to go see these kids older than me bigger than me and be like going in you fight my son but my dad's there now to make sure that it's going to run smooth yeah of course and i'll literally stand and have scraps in front of me old man like let me fight these kids now they're trying to pick on me wow um and i'll get my way back there you know um meet me after school i had you know a bunch of kids meet me up uh wanting to like jump me off to school or something i let my dad know my dad would come meet me be waiting high around the corner and he would come meet me and it'd be just me and my dad like where's the kids at then you know mate so many times haven't been in the movie theater i'm in the movie theater maybe 10 15 kids there are maybe six to 10 rows down in front of me and i see them saying stuff and whatever they was going to do this and do that so i call my dad let him know yo there's a bunch of kids here i think they're going to like try and jump me you know when i come out they would meet me me and my being my pups we confront them right boys who wants to fight my son then one-on-one you can find more like you you could all of you can fight my son but one at a time one at a time and nobody and they would never want to do it because that that's crazy that's crazy yeah i know because you're strong in a group but right yeah no right but they're like hold on a second this this dad is saying like hey you can fight my son you can all get a turn yeah it literally was like that so that's what i know why do you think they why do you think they said no because i'll give it to him like you know because that because that scared them yeah like oh he's like go for it yeah you can find my son i literally Honestly, bro, like, he's sitting right there, he'll tell you.

6:51Like, it's crazy, man. It was like that, you know? And then, yeah, just one thing led to another with, you know, a lot of the violent stuff from Egypt, you know, then going to, like, judo and, you know, again, rugby and all these contact sports. And I then obviously had my debut fight when I was, like, 16. Obviously, legal rules, you had to be 18. You could headstumper. Yeah, you lied about it. Yeah, my first five fights were technically underage. They were illegal, you know? I had to change my date of birth and my contract. I love it. and yeah like yeah my debut I was 16 I was at school doing my GCSEs my exams I fought a 23 or 24 year old man six foot four with my debut you know I knocked him out cold in like nine seconds and that was it boom that just was like I could do this for a living that's pretty cool and that literally is I'm here now yeah you sat down in your in your little uh was it rage cage or cage rage yeah cage rage contenders yeah I thought cage rage contenders one that was my debut wow um i thought cage rage contenders like two three five seven like i was like every couple months like i was i was fighting fighting fighting and then um eventually got my dream was to fight cage rage the main cage rage which is like the the big the big deal and um when i was 19 18 or 19 i had my debut for cage rage at wembley arena and ken shamrock was on the same fight card no way yeah bro so that's pretty legendary so as you go that's a mad throw that's that's nuts and ken shamrock's son was fighting a guy from he was fighting a guy from um uh london shoot fighters okay so i get a big renowned gyms where um obviously i'm sure i heard of like lee murray and stuff um back in the day he that's that's where they was at um london shoot fighters so so ken shamrock's son pulled someone from there and i'll see yeah i thought uh fellow John Phillips, who's now, he was in the UFC, actually now fights at BKFC.

8:47Okay. He's a savage Welsh fella. And according to White Mike Tyson, he throws bombs, mate. Like, yeah, he's savage, you know. It's wild, man. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. That's a pretty interesting, I mean, I remember, you know, being a kid and, you know, walking out of school and, you know, somebody wanted to jump us. Yeah. We ran our asses off, dude. Nah, I was going, come on then, brother. I was not fine. And just like you, I didn't grow up in the best area. I'm from the San Francisco Bay, about 45 minutes east of San Francisco. And there was a lot of bloods around. And I go back and look at it.

9:24We went back to California a couple years ago for the summer. I took my wife, my three kids. And I'm like, this is where I live. I'm looking around. I'm like, dang. Like, wow, Dad, you grew up in the ghetto. I'm like, this is a ghetto compared to where you're living. This is not the ghetto. ghettos though okay everyone's different and there's i say guys there's worse places here in in this area than this neighborhood but but it's just always interesting because when i was when i was reading into you you you obviously have said many times that you fought a lot when you were a kid but you also stuck up for kids smaller than you that were getting bullied yeah that was a big thing man where did you learn that code man i don't know it's like i don't know like whether it's just like i'm i just feel i'm a protector you know um i have seen a lot of i saw a lot of violent stuff with my mom you know and ex-boyfriends and stuff like that you know um so i've always been one to try and protect or look after and now i know i can especially now i carry a gun and everything i can fight i can shoot i can do anything and everything you know so me as a protector in general i just feel like it's in my dna the same as my father you know it's just like we are both like that if someone's getting you know something's going on it's like two-on-one situation like even if the people i don't even know i would normally step it out i just would step just because i just would so it's still that way i'm still like that yeah yeah i'm still like that like yeah i don't like seeing anyone being like taking the bondage of or you know bullied and then in any way shape or form you know i remember kids like getting robbed at school or like some kids were trying to rob someone at school i remember the time i was sitting there watching TV and my son is standing right behind me, looking over me and laughing hysterically.

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11:50I mean, it's just one of those things. I'm not ready for that yet. Lock Lab has given me the opportunity to regrow my hair so it's fuller and I could not be more happy with the results so far and I know they're just going to get better. I just take one pill a day so it's super simple to fit into any routine. Lock Lab was formulated by past president, the American Board of Hair Restoration Surgery and one of the American Hair Loss Association's 2026 best surgeons in the world to give men the most hair back medically possible. You can get lock lab 100 online and delivered direct to your door simply click through the questionnaire and once approved you'll receive your treatment in days if you've been thinking about doing something about your hair loss now's the time go to lock lab.co and take the first step with a free consultation and they'll come in and they're all scared i'm like what and i'll go out run after them i'll chase them i'll beat the shit out of them like you know i did that's awesome dude no it's awesome because no i don't yeah i hate that you know the kids that are getting bullied man those are i mean they're they're typically scared yeah of course right they're scared they don't know what to do you know and and to have somebody like you come and help them i mean dude yeah majority of problems i got at school was me either defending or sticking up for somebody and then i'd end up having a fight with someone head-butting someone or something in school and it was all because this kid was getting bullied by these kids at a couple years older and then I was the one to step in and go, fight me then.

13:24And I go, bang, I'd hit them and be like, fight me. And the kids are all older than me. So now when those people see you and they see what you're doing, it makes sense to them because you were busting their skulls back in grade school. Back in the day, mate. That's crazy. We touched on it in the intro, but MMA is one of the hardest sports on the planet. 100%. Not tough enough for you. It was just different. um you know like that's a nice way of saying it it's just different like for example okay i've had 30 mla fights i have one rear naked choke win okay i don't want to try and check you out don't want to try and snap your arm don't want to hit you with a triangle choke or an arm triangle i want to punch you drop elbows you know stand up on my feet and trade or take you down get on top you and lay it in on you um but the taking off the gloves aspect and moving from the mma to the bare knuckle and for me as well i enjoyed um because boxing is its own thing from mma to boxing and my style in mma to then the transition from that to boxing was a huge jump and i respect boxing on such a level you know for these people that are super slick and know how to box box like that is an art of its own mma yes you can have a bit of everything and a bit of everything and still win fights um you know decentish wrestling you know to defend takedowns and so forth you know have a little bit of hands and some kicks but with boxing all you've got is these yep and with the bare knuckle it's the same aspect you've only got these but like i'm hitting you with a hard object.

15:06I'm getting hit with a hard object. You can't take me down. You can't run away. You can't do anything. You've got to stand there and take punches, literally. So for me, the bare knuckle, and I've had a lot of street fights, you know, me and my dad, the same thing. You used to work the doors. You used to do a lot of bouncing. Like every two weeks, mate, it's like sleeping someone on the door. Like it was, it was, it was a lot of violence, man. And yeah, the fact that that's all you can do and like learning footwork and understand how to actually defend yourself with just your hands, knowing that I can't grab you or necessarily take you down or so forth.

15:38It's all footwork and that. And, yeah, you've got to stand and exchange, you know. It's just so, so different. And it's very raw. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're talking about a situation where you can't run from. Yep. That's what you prefer. I want to be in it. Yep. If we're going to engage, let's engage. We're in it. We're in a deep end, mate. Let's go out and see who comes out on top. So the thing was with MMA, you just didn't like grappling. here was the grappling aspects and like i had a lot of losses due to submissions and you know people just grinding it out on top of me and it's like bro let's go up and fight like this isn't fighting you know and it was it was very frustrating i had a you know a couple losses that shouldn't have been losses referee stepping in like i got clipped like dropped or whatever and i'm still scrambling and referee stops the fight i'm like but i'm fighting i'm i'm fine i literally standing My last MMA fight, completely just like, yeah, I got completely robbed of it, you know?

16:32And from then on, I was like, F this, F that, threw my gloves. I was like, I'm done with this MMA stuff. That was back in 2018. I literally remember it all. That was in Detroit, Michigan. That wasn't that long ago. No, it wasn't. And then I was like, I'm done with this, you know? So then went to Boxing Boots and got boxing. You know, I had my debut boxing fight, completely ruptured my bicep tendon from both ends. you know um i kept fighting though scored the draw with one arm which was pretty cool um yeah obviously there was no quit yeah exactly um and then and then the bare knuckle thing was becoming more of a thing right and i was like man like i like that so i take it back to take it back to kid brook mate take it back to the ferrier son you know and then yeah i had my debut for bare knuckle in 2020 against tyler vogel and you know i'm i'm i'm nine bare knuckle fights in there and And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

17:24I love it. I love the sport. I love where it represents. I just love the rawness of it. And a lot of people talk about, you know, want to fight or being bare knuckle. But, like, they are pussies, mate. And people get hit with nothing and, like, fall over. And I'm like, bro, what? Like, it really jars me. And you've got people like myself and my last opponent. And, like, even a bunch of guys I've fought, you know, as tough as I am. but like we'll go out on their shield mate cut blood this that and the other you get knocked down there's no free knockdown rule you know you either choose to get up or you don't you know i always choose to get up like i'll go out until i'm either sleeping or physically the doctor has to stop it due to a bad cut or so right of course i'm in the fight i signed the contracts like i'm break both my hands break my face let's just fight you know yeah i mean i mean you brought up your your your fight with russell you know yeah that was what six days ago yeah literally six days Like, full out draw, 25 minutes.

18:23You know, that either. They're free, they're five twos, 12 minutes. Okay. So it was a 10-minute fight, but then we got the additional, and it wasn't even in the contract. So when it was taking a while, I was like, I don't even know what's going on. I was like, I wonder if they're going to give us, like, a draw right now and see if they, you know. And I think because the fight was obviously super exciting, it was like, we want more of it. Yeah. You know, and then obviously they asked me, you want to do another round? I'm like, yeah, bro, let's run that shit. Let's go. I'm in it now. Yeah, you didn't.

18:51Yeah. Well, any competitor. No, it doesn't matter. Like, we're fighting. I'm not going to be like, oh, no, and take the dub. Because I could have realistically been smart and being like, nope, and said no. And the fight would have been a draw, and it wouldn't have been a loss on my record. Right. But no, I chose to say, yeah, bro, let's fight it out and do another two minutes. And they still obviously gave it to him. But I'm in the fight. Let's fight. That's why I'm there. I'm already in the ring. Let's go. Well, I'm here, right? Might as well keep throwing. 100%. That's the thing. That's like what you like about it.

19:19I'm here, I'm trading with you. If you get an opportunity, you get to do another two minutes, just judging from the first 25 minutes of this conversation, you're like, shit, man, let's go. Yeah, it is where it is. Exactly. It shouldn't have happened, though, right? It wasn't in the contract. Is that part of it unfair? So the only part of it, it's not that, the fact that it wasn't in the contract is what it is. I look forward to seeing what I get in my check. I look forward to seeing what the difference is going to be for that extra round. And we've got a fight tonight bonus and so forth. So I'm still waiting on that.

19:46Let's see what's up there should be this week. but yeah um i forgot what i was even going to i was just asking you if it if it was if that part of it was unfair oh sorry that was it my bad the only part of it i feel it was unfair obviously you know i'm on his turf i'm fighting him he missed weight like there was so many everything was against the whole situation you know like he wanted to fight he called the shots i go over to philadelphia to fight you in front of your people i'm getting booze coming out like i am the outsider mad outsider and I'm like I don't give a shit because at the end of the day it's still me and him that's going to be in there I can hear and people can shout do whatever um but the fact you know I scored a solid knockdown in the second round clean as day you know um so that was a 10 eight round solid um you know I still find it hard to really score it up to how they scored it do I feel that he had a hometown favorite favoritism to it yeah you know that's why they gave it the extra round and so forth and even the last round you know i was finishing up strong with that and they still obviously gave it to him you know it's definitely a fight i need to feel needs to definitely be run back yeah um not in philadelphia i won't even do it in miami if they don't want it we'll do it somewhere completely mute like neutral from both of us i don't care but i definitely think that me and him have got to definitely do that again rematch 100 % coming and at the end of the day mate it's a it was a fight a night like you could co-main event main event that anywhere and everyone is going to be electric you know like the fight's an absolute banger so you know you mentioned that you you knocked him down clean second round you were so close does being that close frustrate you even more it does especially i knocked him down and i see harry was getting up and he's getting up like he got up with some of his hands and that and he was like you see he was like i rocked his shit yeah and i was like inside i was like oh and then you know he talked the act tough cookie like completely you know hats off to him he was a tough dude i hit him with some clean stuff um but yeah man it was it is very frustrating but the fact that i scored the knockdown helps me in my favor to know that okay cool like i've done more damage you know he hit me with some shots that you know hurt me but nothing knocked me down i'm still in the fight you wouldn't even know that he necessarily rocked me or anything you know um but yeah the outcome definitely um pissed me off a bit mate that's crazy it's still annoying I mean, I bet.

22:12So that loss ended a five-match win streak for you. Yeah, literally. So here's a tough question. Ask me. Do you focus more on the five wins in a row, or do you focus on the loss? Oh, the loss. Definitely learn from the mistakes. The wins are the wins. Like, my last two bouts, it's like, I cracked a dude and knocked him down. It's great. But what did I learn from that? Nothing. And I even said to my pups and my coach, like, my last two fights, I was expecting, you know, my last fight was a fight it was an actual fight and i haven't had one of them in a in a little minute you know okay um so for me it was like the last two previous fights to this was like i wouldn't say easy but it was like it was like work it wasn't like that no i got i got barely touched i got super unscathed no marks my hands were good um and yeah i stopped the guys and and they you know they they couldn't continue and it's like okay well i didn't have a fight you know whereas this last fight it's like yeah i had a punch up mate i had a good scrap and it's i'll tell him about that it's like it's the most and especially in pain as well after the fight i come out i sit down i'm in a change and i'm like and i'm like i have to say this is like the most alive i feel physically how i'm how the pain i'm in my face my lips are swollen my ears are swollen everything sore my body and I'm like yeah fight man and it is weirdly satisfying you know because I'm looking at your face so we were talking about it before we hopped on camera you're like oh man I'm actually healing pretty good for six days that's quick no it's nothing yeah that's really quick yeah I mean I've had worse but this is like yes wow it's like the stitches are dissolvable they're like almost done yeah looks like I've got a bit of mascara on a eyeshadow whatever you want to call it hey whatever you're into bro i'm still pretty you know i mean yeah i'm gonna say shit to you because i i know what you're capable of no man do you guys have um common respect between each other yeah me and him was super super professional like for me like for example there was a dude on that same uh fight card you know he's known for frank cannolis around you know literally fried food and it's like i'm not a fucking infant like I'm not one to go in and try and you can sell a fight and stir it but I'm not here frying food like a child you know he's a nice dude and I'm not like disrespecting the dude like it's a gimmick yeah it's just a little gimmick yeah that's just not me and how I function I'm very like even again even down to like in the streets or whatever I've had fights we've shook hands and gone separate ways like and I've had done that many a times and for me that's just I feel that's how you handle business personally yeah um so the fact that he was you know he was like that he was super you know respectful of me and who i who i was and what i bring to the table we shook hands beforehand we had a good fight we shake hands after it's all mutual respect the end of the day it's business of course you know i'm a competitor he's a competitor we're both going to try and win i don't hate you or he's not like insulted my mother or my father and it doesn't matter i'm going to go and fuck my ass i'm trying to knock you out but i'll shut your hand and buy you a pint after if you want you know i mean that's pretty cool that's just that to me is professionalism and i'm i'm very professional in that aspect i've never just never been one to shit talk and stir it up like if i'm on a fight card you know full well you're getting fireworks i don't need to sell it and throw food in your face to try and make it more entertaining yeah you know i mean how often do you fight how long between fights it really varies honestly this year's been super active for me you know i fought in blood for blood uh may 6.

25:48um you know i got a stoppage win prior to that towards the end of the year comment when i fought um leo carrera i fought leo carrera and then whatever it was like some odd months later and then i fought obviously may 6. and obviously just a quick turnaround obviously for this july 3rd you know i had i was unscathed no injuries so they called me up you want the opportunity they kind of do like america versus england i was like yeah let me represent like yeah yeah that's awesome you know so yeah um but you know i try and get at least a few in a year but i've had years where i get like one fight and you know they don't put me on a fight card and it's like you know i'm always asking for fights and so forth again i've been a single man doing it whereas now you know i'm with all in management shout out to the team um and that you know they're definitely going to be pushing and pursuing way getting me way more active other little gigs side deals and other little things you know um yeah i want to be active you know so did you start working with all in this year literally so recent literally just before this fight pretty much oh really papers super nice oh that's gonna be cool man yeah because i know vic and stuff like he trains with kevin gleason my boxing coach okay my boxing coach has actually got a gym like in his warehouse it's like the new setup so like i see vic all the time and he's super cool he's never pressed me like oh when you're gonna sign me or anything you know we we'd had a mutual chit chat about it and i've always been um and an ar in because every manager i've had are fired because it's like you know you're not pulling sponsors you're not pulling this like nothing's really happening like why am i giving you a percentage over this for what i think everybody can agree that going into a furniture store can be one of the most stressful things you can ever experience as a homeowner or a renter trying to fulfill all the furniture for your home or apartment.

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28:15But here's the best part. I can't stand putting things together. But don't worry about it. They can literally deliver and put together and do everything from A to Z for you. You just pick what you want and they deal with the rest. Ready to upgrade your home for way less? Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home and get your space ready for less. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. You know, and I've always been like that. So then I've always fired every manager I've had and I try and do it on my own. but when you're a one-man army trying to do that it's it's hard you know like my last couple fights i should be making way more money and i haven't so now i'm like all right listen i need i need i need the help and everyone sees the you know um the potential in me and what i bring to the table so it's like let's start getting me some like good deals and make some real money now you know i'm gonna be very vulnerable right now bro say and do have you please you just helped me come to terms with something that i have been struggling with for the last year i hope i'll click click to switch for you that the whole management thing you've fired every manager when people like us that are independent have a brand manager or have someone like that you know i mean agents are different you know my agency's great i'm with caa shout out to anez maza but when you have a brand manager i cannot tell you how many times and even in my own personal experience they talk about how great you are and what they can do for you and then the moment they get the opportunity where is everything you just don't they a star dinero right like what what why is it all of a sudden so hard to sell me when you were selling me on selling you're selling me to me exactly like I already know like I get it but no it's it again and I'm not beating yeah but I'm not beating any of them up right I'm just saying like obviously that's a thing it is you know I thought it might have been personal I thought maybe something was wrong with me or something you know maybe I'm not doing something right but it but it seems to be a thing yeah and it's interesting because I think there's a lot of independence whether it's fighters or just creators in general that are struggling with that so because you know i've got a solid brand like brutal is my brand you know i've got a brutal olc brutal industries like i am brutal everyone knows me people call me by brutal like i'm known for that and um yeah it's like the concept of it and who i am what i represent you know i am a protector you know i'm always trying to put the right direction for like like younger the younger generation you know like stay hard in the gym you know don't be doing this don't be doing that you know it's all about discipline and you know like be the best version of yourself and so forth and i feel who and what i am and what i represent is a is a good niche you know sure yeah i'm tough and hard and like yeah i'll smash up everyone in this room if i have to i just hope you don't have Oh, we'll never have to do that.

31:31Leave me out of it. No, of course not. Especially not pups. But Oscar, let me do you. But it's like, you know, but like, again, it's like, you know, just being able to flick the switch to be able to do so. But other than that, man, I'm all smiles. I wear my heart on my sleeve. You know, I love my cats. And I'm all nice. You're a cat guy. I'm a cat man, bro. No way. What kind of cat? I've got a fat black cat. It's just a fat black cat. That's a good breed. Yeah. His name's Salem. And I have a blue tip Siamese named Saint. Saint and Salem. I've had one cat my whole life. Oh, really? It was one of those Persian cats.

32:03Okay, beautiful though. Amazing. I named them Cartman from South Park. Cartman, I love that. Yeah, Cartman. That's awesome. I'm a dog guy though. Yeah. No, I get it. My parts are the dog guy. It's just for me, a lot of traveling, a lot of this, a lot of that. Dogs just need way more maintenance. I'd leave my cat for a couple of days. They can have food, water. They've got their toilet made. Do you know what I mean? So for me, it's just, again, not the convenience, but just cats are just, it's a different love. I've had cats in my life since I was like nine. Well, then you have to earn their love.

32:31Yeah, it's not like a dog like it's different Yeah, it's very different you get you get a different bond with with a dog just because they're just bigger and more into you Just lay no you gun out you play fetch You know this do that gun on walks and so forth but with the cat same thing I come home the cats were over me like yeah Yeah, it's like animals in general man. Just back up though. Cuz you said toilet What's that? You said toilet when you're talking about a cat okay? Yeah, the toilet like the litter box No, no, no, no, no. I'm not making fun of the way you speak. Okay, okay. I'm dumb, but I'm not that dumb.

33:04All right. I'm asking, are you saying your cat goes in the toilet, not in a litter box? No, no, no. It goes in a litter box. I haven't party trained them. I know. I know people have done that. I know, bro. I know. And honestly, it's not that difficult, and it makes so much sense how they do it. It's really simple. Have you seen how they do it? How they train them? There was a thing on Shark Tank a while ago, the City Kitty or something like that. Honestly, it is really basic. so literally imagine putting a litter box inside of the toilet bowl area and then remove it and then eventually it gets smaller that's what it is and there's layers wow and then they have like litter in the whole thing and then there's a hole in the center and there's litter around the outside and then it gets wider wider wider to the point where there isn't no litter and they jump up on the toilet and pee and poop in straight into the bog here's an interesting thing i heard there's an issue though with that like they bring some bacteria and it's not good for the humans Oh, okay.

33:56I don't know. I mean, I don't have a cat. I'm not going to use that. No, I don't know. Man, we're in the weeds, huh? That's great. Hey, you know what? Conversations are like that. Then we circle back around. We just do this. That's cool, though. Cats. Interesting. Cats are cool, man. What are their names? Saint and Salem. Saint and Salem. Okay. I knew Salem, but not Saint. Yeah, Saint. So Saint is he the Siamese? He's the Siamese, yeah. Cool, cool, cool. They're both super cool, man. They're so beautiful. How old are they? um salem must be i think nearly seven or eight i think it might be nearly eight i'd have to really do my digging about eight and saint must be um six and a half seven okay yeah yeah that's all and i had i had two cats back in london with my mom and they lived to like 19.

34:42they were like they yeah they lasted a nice little while and same thing there were two tabby cats that was Tilly and Rosie. Tilly and Rosie. Yeah. And, yeah, they were just adorable. And that was me. Yeah, that was my first ever two cats from young. And then I've just loved cats since then. Well, hey, that's awesome. I don't dislike them. No. I don't dislike them. But I just don't like doing the litter box thing. Again, it's a preference. For me, it's pretty simple. But, you know, for others, they're like, ugh. You know, I use, like, litter crystals rather than the clumping stuff. Again, man, it's just like little scoop, scoop, done.

35:15And I've had the electric stuff. I've tried this, tried that. I just manually like if I'm a home man just scoop scoop it's just like I didn't see ya easy yeah conversation's dynamic man yeah you know yeah this is about punch people in the face and talk about scooping up catch it but but no that's why that's that's the cool part about it yeah no I would have never thought you were a cat guy I would be like this motherfucker's got like a um like a pit or like a pits are great beautiful oh my god they're like nanny dogs they're amazing I figured you'd have one of those like scary mastiffs like I don't even know what they're called but they're just they look like mean but anyway i digress the first time as a bare knuckle fighter when your fist landed flesh on someone's skull what did that feel like what was your body telling you at that time honestly i was a bit like it i'll tell you what the my first experience what i genuinely remember from that not even my fist but it was me getting hit and i actually you've mentioned it to one of your boys earlier.

36:13I remember getting jabbed, just a jab, and it got jabbed in the mouth and it completely like ripped my lip open. And I was like, and it felt like hard, like it was hard. And I remember being like, yo, like this is different. And I remember I exchanged some shots and I remember laying some clean punches and it did. It kind of reminded me of like back in the day street fighting. When you'd hit someone super clean, the hard shot, but you wouldn't feel it. But it would be like connection, bing. and he would like rock them up, you know. I do remember that since I was back in 2020, you know. Okay. So I've had a bunch since that.

36:48You've been hit a bunch of times since then. Yeah, I've had a lot of punches. Wow, man. I'm pretty blessed though. I've had brain scans and that. I remember the first time back in 23 was my first ever like MRI with and without contrast on my brain. And I was actually a little nervous. Because I've been doing this since 2006 was my debut fighting. and I've sparred, you know, I've had them dogfights in the gym, mate, with some tough people. I've sparred with everyone, mate. Like anyone and everyone you'd think of, I've done rounds with. And I'm like, I hope my brain's good. Well, that was one of my questions to you.

37:25It's like, okay, MMA. And I'm smart with sparring now, though. Okay. I'm really smart with sparring now. Like if I'm doing something, it's never anything crazy. I don't take real much damage in the gym anymore. Like I haven't. My last three fights, I've had no sparring. and literally I didn't smile. Really? Because one of my initial thoughts were like, I wonder what his relationship with the brain long term, like how does he? It's because of that factor, which makes me nervous because majority of the damage and stuff is done is in the fucking gym, mate. And it really is. And I've seen people, prime example, a fella called Joey Beltram, you know, respect his dude, mate, you know, I feel for him.

38:01But like he speaks like this now. And I remember him a few years back, training in the gym and in the gym, bro, getting lit up, punches to the head and I'd even tell his sparring partner people that I knew would be like, yo, stop hitting him in the head, like him in the body. It's just like watching it made me feel sick. It's like, bro, just head around a football, you're killing brain cells, let alone blows, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and you see it and I've seen it and it literally makes me feel uncomfortable, man. It's horrible. Is it just the repeatable, like just the repeating of this like over and over and over and over you're killing brain every time being being the cells just boom boom boom the inflammation on the brain and this and that and then you're gonna have issues with this later and then with that later yeah that punch drunk shit mate yeah like listen don't care how big and tough you are it's a brain it's your brain yeah man and once that's done damaged it's done the minute that listen i love fighting i genuinely love it enjoy the violence and the you know being able to really express when i fight but the minute i'm told like you know i have like a you know detached retina or saying with my eyes or saying that they're gonna affect my hearing or my brain like i'll respectfully won't fight so you have perspective i i'm not a fucking idiot mate you know i'm not stupid i'm like oh fighting is my life and like totally totally granted i'll take my aggression out however mate i'll go start pulling i'll try and pull 800 pounds sumo in the gym that'll be my next challenge you know i mean i'm not i'm not worried about you know going out of my shield that much that i'm gonna now be a fucking vegetable yeah that doesn't entertain me the slightest it generally worries me you know like it does no i i would imagine right i mean and because i've been doing it for so long that that's the see that's the thing too but there's that aspect of it but there's also the aspect of the identity right so it's like when you're done fighting right and when i was done playing baseball i held on to that role like i didn't know who i was without baseball right and so for me when that ended it was it was i get it i remember i had almost like a year of no fighting i had no nothing there's no i didn't have no sign with anything i had no no fights coming up no nothing and i was like okay and then i was like really pursuing getting my dmg license i'm all you know i work my firearm and stuff and i was spending a lot of time investing into that i'm like is and in my head i'm like am i going through a crisis now am i going to be done with the fighting and you know um and it was it was like weird it was like i felt like i was losing my identity because everyone knows me as brutal boss with this Ben Aquafire.

40:45And it's like, if I ain't that, then who am I? And I understand it. And sadly, like this thing, obviously, that happened with like Dustin recently. You know, obviously, you know, mental stuff and this, that and that going on. It's like, I understand it. I do. And especially if someone of that caliber, you know, bro, like you're at the top of the ladder ball, bro. Like you are Dustin Poirier, you know? And then if you are not doing that anymore, then yeah there's going to be an identity issue there you know whether you got the money in the world or not it doesn't matter you know money does not buy your happiness money gives you freedom allows you to do stuff with but it don't buy you warmth and happiness it doesn't money's just a tool it is you know you know when that when that happened and i saw it and i had a completely different reaction than most people and i'm like clearly you did too people are talking about it and you see the people online you know the people would never say that to his face no i looked at him like these people don't understand what this man's going through his father's done everything right and i saw it and i was like man i feel for that dude yeah that was the first thing i did and i had people laughing oh my god did you see that i'm like yeah man like that's not good bro well that's not good that's not healthy no it's not and it's because that's not him right do you know what i'm saying like that is that's someone who is lost and confused and like trying to figure out his like obviously like clear as day like that is what it is i'm seeing i'm not stupid you know but then and again as a fighter as an athlete i say more so understand it but then you got like these regular civilians that you know have a normal nine to five and they're talking their nonsense but it's like you don't know nothing like now you stick to your sitting on your desk doing whatever like you don't get it like you won't understand that you never ever understand his mindset and what he is as a person and harry's evolved as a man like you don't you don't have a clue and that moment doesn't remove that either no not at all i mean that that was a moment no 100 and i still have the exact same respect for him mate i think dustin's an absolute legend he's the nicest dude mate he is such a such a sweet sweet man you know never met him But I'm sure I will because we're all in the circle, right?

43:07Our boy Drew and all that good stuff. But, I mean, he's a Louisiana boy. Yeah, no. He grew up in the ghetto, bro. Yeah, I mean. You know, he's like the only white boy around. Like, he grew up in the hood, bro. You know, that's what he knows. I spent four years in Louisiana. I love Louisiana. But, again, it's like when you see things transpire like that, whether it's a football player, whether it's a fighter, the everyday person that's never been an athlete or anything like that, like at a high level, cannot even think about putting themselves in a perspective to where they can understand where any man or woman is at and why they're acting out like that.

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45:12That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Way fair, every style, every home Who am I? But now I gotta protect Now I gotta defend And the only way I know how to defend Go back to what you know, bro Because that was the glory It was the best in the world Of course it's gonna go there Right? Of course, that's what he knows Yeah I actually got a funny story I quickly threw out there about Dustin I was in Because I've done a few fight camps with Jake Paul And when he fought Tyrone Woodley the first time we was we was in was it in Ohio I think that's where he's from I think it was over there in Ohio anyway long story short we're in the changing room Logan's there everyone's there there's a few other celebrities and that packed packed thing right Dustin Poirier comes in a room you know about 10-15 yards and I'm sitting on the couch real similar dress we have bright orange on team hall and he comes in and bro he literally looked at me he went oh Boswick I stood up because I see remember me from Phil and yeah from 80's here now I said yo what's good my brother has everything as good as life and everyone's looking like I don't know how do they know each other?

46:28But I have to say that was one of my biggest flexes in that specific moment. I was like that was really cool man No hell yeah it's cool man He was like oh because it was a familiar face you know I mean yeah so that was that was pretty cool But yeah I tell people about it. I was like yeah That's a good one. I remember Dustin come in I was the first person said hello to you. I was like that's pretty good Well, that's also because now you're sitting there in that room with Jake and Paul. It's like, that's street cred, bro. Yeah, it's crazy, bro. I've had like four or five comes with Jake now. Wow.

47:01Yeah, crazy. That's pretty cool, man. What's it like being around that guy? A little bit of circus, isn't he? Honestly, like in person, like on camera, off camera, like he's cool. He's, you know, he's shaking my eyes and said, hello, how's this, how's that? you know um we don't hang out like boys yeah we never really have you know um but yeah not in the gym he's cool mate especially like you know i was obviously there more just as a sparring partner you know joining with other training sessions and that but i was always giving him a good look like when he fought tyron woodley or um the best the best matchup that i think he had and i gave him the best work for was when he fought mike perry you know i was in the full camp for that down to last bar um i don't remember where that fight took place but they threw me it flew me over and they flew over on the jet with them and that was really cool you know um but yeah no they're cool people like his mom and that i remember i was at his mom's house and i've got to um where's the candy you guys take me you go grab some get some chocolates and that and like his parents are cool his dad his dad reminds me of my dad like he don't give a shit mate someone says like what what you might i'm people trying to come into the changing room and i'm standing there we're gonna like fight people like coming in.