The Luttrell Brothers: Brotherhood, Battle Scars & Becoming Unbreakable

30:22Yeah. Okay. So you did the same treatment that they talk about in the documentary. Absolutely. And I believe you did too, right? Okay. What was that like for you guys? Cause I've, I've done ketamine before, um, under control. Oh, you're talking about a nuclear bomb compared to a firecracker. Right. Well, I'm good with the firecracker because that shit, I mean, you know, hell, but... And everybody's just different. Everybody's experience is different. I always like to say it was absolutely one of the worst experiences I've ever gone through. It was the greatest outcome ever. That's interesting.

30:55You guys went to Mexico? Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Best thing I ever did for myself and my family. Good. I had a friend who was on his way back calling me. I was like, these conversations you have to have with your family. Right. Well, it was Leslie and I were having this conversation and she was like, because there was a challenge was aside. It just, it came to a point where, you know, you're at a crossroad and you're not, hey, where are we headed? So. That's what I got. My wife said me too because I was team guy in it. Yeah. You're like, what do you mean I'm undercover, man? I'm team guy. She's like, not anymore, you're not.

31:34Oh, man. That thing jerked a nod in my ass and didn't want to let go. Oh, man. That's like that identity shift where you get stuck, right? It's like, you know, this is me. It shows up in there. Yeah, I bet. It shows up. I bet. A lot of the veterans that go through it, when they're done with the treatment, you know, whatever it's called, whether it's a trip or whatever the correct terminology is, they realize that they can let go of survivor guilt. Did you guys ever experience survivor guilt? no no okay we didn't have ptsd i didn't see one thing about the war really no we really like being there yeah yeah the tbi is different yeah but the rest of that stuff we never that never got to us you you you help people with tbi now right your your foundation you went back and got your your advanced degree it's this long ass title what is it called uh Applied Cognitive.

32:31Applied Cognitive, yeah, something, yeah. He's a smart one. He is. I did. And I operated kind of in the health and wellness space for veterans during grad school and after, and currently in my current position, big advocate for veterans across the board. Yes. And with the medications I have gained and the other ones, I'm, it's a very delicate balance. As a legislator, I have to be very careful, and I am. my right and left link are very profound. Right. And set very, they're, they're in concrete to make sure that it's done correctly. But yes, that is, I am currently doing it as well. It's just.

33:12It works so well that we're making sure that it's not abused and it's done right. So it can be administered to everyone else. If it works on us, I mean, and there's thousands, over a thousand of us that have been through the program. I mean, it works. Studies are being populated. Longitudinal studies are coming out. Stanford. everybody so it's big universities of higher institutes of higher learning and academia are coming aboard the state of texas our state passed uh this year they gave the university's the ability to study this oh wow oh yeah big huge deal that's a massive freaking deal man oh yeah 100 i got that when i'm justifying for that in congress shit oh yeah and then there's other states following suit it works it's a real thing i mean it's been around a long time it is amazing I like to say I personally like to say it's an amazing tool that you can put in your proverbial toolbox right we have a very large problem in the United States with fentanyl overdoses, suicides we want to move away from opioids, SSRIs all those highly addictive drugs and this I personally think that this lane is something that we need to be moving in in order to you know address I never say cure right now, but I'm a brain scientist.

34:28I don't say cure yet, but we have the ability to decrease symptomatic issues, increase quality of life. And if we do that without creating highly addictive issues through medications that are little to no side effects, especially like highly addictive ones, I think that's a great leap forward. I think so too. Do you feel that now Now that certain universities like in Texas and Stanford, you know, they're starting to do these longitudinal longitudinal studies. Sinai University, Washington University, Stanford, Harvard. Is this a move in a direction that do you think maybe one day that in the United States can be used for treatment?

35:09Absolutely. I guess, you know, I mean, listen, I hope so. I hope so. Because, you know, there's there's a lot of other dangerous things out there that are people are using and abusing like alcohol. Alcohol. I mean, think about it. This completely eradicates the notion, the fact that we pass out. There's a difference between drug and a medicine. A drug, you get on it, you're on it. Yeah. This is a medicine. You take this one or two times, you ain't going, you don't want to go back here. You're like, I'm done, I'm good. I'm good. Am I seeing that shit again? So Mark's not really advocating for it to be done proper.

35:43Yeah. Not legalized. Like where you go, you don't want to, you don't catch this stuff on the street. No, no, no, no, no, no. So, God, no, that's dangerous. That's very important for us. That's very important. I feel that's over here. Anybody who's done it knows exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, yeah. But just I think it will, you know, in my mind and in my heart, when I think about this and I see the numbers and I hear the results, I'm thinking this can really kind of change how Big Pharma addresses certain issues. I think Big Pharma is a big problem. Yes. I think too, you know, it's, it's, it's one thing for the firsthand experience, right?

36:24For the veterans that are struggling with things from combat and then coming home and, and getting this treatment, this medical treatment and, and, and getting better. But it's, but it's more than that too. Cause it's the children. My wife went through my wife. I came back and my wife was like, I always been through. Hey, I went through all this with you. and I was like you did yeah that's the best thing we ever did but a light and she just home life's awesome freaking I mean life in itself has got a bliss to it that's four five years ago now and it's still I mean wow I'm not saying it takes all the work out of being it's about to do work then it wouldn't be any fun then it wouldn't be any fun I mean you know what I'm talking about like yeah you don't live in fantasy world is what you're saying no that shit don't happen no I mean you can make it that if you work real hard at it but still as a human condition, man, it's designed to work.

37:14Like it's designed to suffer down in here. So you, you, you want that. Let's touch on that because I love that perspective. There has to be the right amount of suffering in everything that we do. I don't care if you're getting in shape. I don't care if you're studying to be a brain scientist. I don't care if you're building Legos, it doesn't matter. There has to be some type of suffering in what you're doing because there's zero appreciation if there's not. That's right. So we've become too, I think, I think social media is kind of the culprit here. You know, people are talking about, you can do something in 90 days.

37:44It's no problem. You set up this funnel, you do this. I can, you can make a hundred grand and, and you know, 90 days, like, okay, like, is that really real? Right. But, but they, they're pushing the fact that it's easy, easy bake oven to success, easy bake oven to get in the body you want. And dude, it's not easy. You're going to suffer. If you're not willing to suffer at all, then you don't want it bad enough and you have no business starting it. well like we said earlier if it's there's a painstaking process or it's miserable to get it you know it's so much more yeah that's how you know you earned it that's how you know you made some ground anything we build out there you got to tack something into it to make it stand up and then the suffering in itself is just it getting hammered home yeah it's how the body knows you're making progress yeah exactly i mean maybe the word people don't like that word suffering you know humans will always go to the worst what kind of suffering you're talking about you're talking by like pain, anguish and agony?

38:39Maybe. Like maybe. I mean, when people see you go through that, there's a recognition that goes with that and there's a, every human being is searching for feelings and that's why they take drugs, it's why they drink, it's why we work, it's why we play, it's why we do everything. Imagine how many scenarios are out there that you've never gotten into that will elicit a certain response in your body, a feeling. Imagine how many feelings are tucked in here that you'll never be able to tap into that you've never had an opportunity to. And once you feel something, man. And it lights you up, makes you kind of want to do it.

39:10Hey, they're all around here. You just got to step into them. That's true. That's true. It's interesting. You know, I just, I think about it very often because there's times where I'll even sit there and be like, yeah, I just, you know, I don't feel like it today. And I, and I break these terms down because the audience listening, right? Like I want them to know that I'm on my own journey as well. And there are certain things in my life that I still struggle with. Like sometimes I still have to talk myself into, you know, not eating the ice cream at nine o 'clock at night. I have to talk myself into going to the gym.

39:42I don't have to talk myself into do this, right? Because I think this is my superpower. But also what if something else is my superpower that I'm, that I need to learn about. And that is called discipline, right? And that's what we talk about here is the determination. That's what got you back into battle after your injury. That's what brought you home. there's there's these moments that you go to a place in your mind and just say this pain this suffering is temporary and if i can make it through this then i can do something really special so i make willpower and discipline some people are like what is that what is that what you say i don't know what that means take a cold shower every morning for 30 days yeah every single morning no matter what take an ice cold shower and you want to know what willpower and discipline is that on day four yeah yeah we're like bro dude i i did that once i did that once it's like yeah i did i did i did andy for sell a 75 hard right and so i did the whole i did the whole i did the whole live hard i did a whole year of it right and those cold showers i mean let me clarify i'm a bitch okay because we live i live in florida the water doesn't get very cold yeah But it was still cold.

40:58There you go. It was still cold. I'm like, this really sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, but if I don't do this, because I said I would, I committed to this. If I don't do this, what else am I going to shortchange? I think that's the last. Eat ice cream. Eat ice cream. If you can go through taking cold shower for 30 days, when you're looking at the ice cream, you're like. Yeah. But if you take the cold shower, eat the ice cream. Whoa. Wait a second. How about that? Yeah. If it gets hard. Yeah. It's the reward. Remember to reward yourself as well. You work hard, you play hard. And then with the gym, I tell people, hey, man, what I want you to do is for two weeks, I want you to do one push up.

41:34And then on that third week, we're going to do two push ups for two weeks, not three or four, because it takes more discipline just to do the two. And then every two weeks, we're going to add one and you're going to build yourself up over the year. Just do two. Just do that. And then after that, if you if the day when you don't want to go to the gym, drive down there, pick up a dumbbell, put it on the rack and leave. just take your ass in there and pick up the dumbbell and put it on the rack and that's working out and you committed you ass went in there whether it was a shitty workout or not we cuss on here oh you cuss on okay yeah absolutely who cares yeah because we all have bad workouts but at least you went in there just do that you may i made a choice just make a choice because that's when you pass yeah man that's your body's test in itself right so imagine you're looking for this this kind of realization is this working or am i doing anything and it'll be the day you get up and you don't want to go do that i get those when i have to do my morning meditation breathing because it's the easiest thing oh stretching oh i mean it's literally the easiest thing to do on the plane do it in front of the tv sit down just sit down just kind of reach it down and grab your freaking toe i won't do it yeah i just won't do it i'll start tomorrow i'll start tomorrow and i'll do it tomorrow and i'll go it's a man that's a man's field or do something hard, man.

42:49What is that? Yeah. It's the greatest thing for you, but you cannot talk yourself. Yeah. It's ridiculous. But just, you have to start with baby steps. Like in order to, I'm breathing, meditate for over an hour now. I had to start with five seconds. An hour. An hour. Every day. An hour. I get up early to make sure I get my entire routine done. And then I go wake the kids up, get their breakfast and get them off to school. Man. I'm standing tall, already done the shower, the whole nine yards. Love that. And I just backed my day up. They're like, I don't have time to do it. And I was like, Well, you, yeah, you do.

43:20When you start putting those kinds of successes in your suitcase, they just, they just start coming a lot faster. Yeah. They haul, they start hauling ass, man. They show up just because you were willing to do one thing. Then something else kind of just starts walking in the door and you'll notice it quick. That's the thing that, cause to that point, more opportunities start rushing you when you're doing the things that you said you're a dude because you put yourself in this energy and this alignment that i believe we're all magnets right like we're spiritual beings and in in those moments man when that happens that's the best so check this out man most people don't have problems man you got paralyzed by opportunities and that's a good freaking place to be like i hear people complain i'm like that's amazing you're complaining about some good stuff how blessed are you dad was like well i spent the last five years broke and hungry working as hard as i can and now i can't keep up that's a blessing work it on the wall yeah so work hard like and don't stop right like literally commit yourself to a finish line in life yeah there is no finish line outside that ever yeah you gotta keep running but that but that's where people get it messed up man because they set finish lines in their lives every that's why we have sports that's right yeah it's it for them yeah oh you're wrong here and that's why we have what does here mean to you what do you want to take it from here because there's always another exit or another ramp it's like that never-ending cycle and like i said finish lines are for sports racing running races and stuff like that and that's what we get mad at baseball season like yeah the race ain't the part it's getting there to it yeah and then they gotta wind up doing it again the next year so like it's what in reality there's not one man and you just gotta keep going yeah because they That, that conversation happened off air, right?

45:12We weren't recording yet, but the audience hears me talk about all the time. It's like you, the gift is in the journey. It's who you become in the process of chasing that goal. Because if you don't fall in love with that portion, then when you get there, you have those fall offs. And that's when you told me, Marcus, like, Hey, when you hit that reward, you have to have a nice rest reset. Go do something that you want to do. Go on a small trip, right? reward yourself and then get back on it too you have to you feed the machine i'm terrible at that you gotta feed it feed it like that's like add it on the list like the the end game is is the it's like a checkpoint that you you're you're on a certain path you're riding the journeys the whole thing like how did you get like that i was like well i was doing this and then this showed up yeah like when you lift weights and this shows up yep and what comes with that confidence like There's stuff in the body that you get after getting strong.

46:06Then you feel it when you wake up and that's all tight. Yeah. And then there's this kind of this, you know, Hey, what's up? And this is focus you have and this bravado that goes along with it. And it can go away and you can get it back. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a nice little. Yeah. You can lose it. You can be snatched away. Talk to somebody who's been the best at something like the best in the world or something and lost it. Fighters. But they got it back. Got it back. Hear what they have to say about that. Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea what I had. Jake Cutler and Bodybuilder. Yeah. You know, talking about them guys.

46:36Andre Agassi. Yeah, Agassi. Man, his story. Football players are great. The Super Bowl champions in the next year. The athletes are great for that. They're freaking great for that. Really ride that roller coaster, man. Business leaders. People have lost everything. I lost it all. Like, did you see that Jerry Jones documentary? Mary Steen? Yes, man. I was in debt. $50 million. $50 million, bro. And it hit and think, now look what I got. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, all my, he'll stretch you all the way to the damn end. 50 million. He'll let you go back in there. I'm going to tell my wife that next time she says, hey, there's a little too much on this credit card.

47:11I'm like, Jerry Jones is 50 million dollars a ton. Jerry said I could do it this way. That's hysterical. And then the best stories, the best self-help books and the ones we love to hear are that. Yeah. It's not like I was born, life was great. No. That's why everybody loves Rocky. There you go. American. if you're American you're Rocky yes that dude you gotta do it that way yes and sometimes you know the Russians beating the shit out of you just beat the dog piss Evan's Rock you know I have to listen to some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth hey if you're not getting beat up then you don't get to listen to Rocky music yeah you can't and then you can't go do the cool training in the gym with Apollo exactly you need to get you need to eat your ass with so you can go work out with Apollo that one scene where he started to do this boy life is hard now I'm feeding out oh oh that was I love that scene That was the newest one, right?

48:01Are you talking about when he's in the street? In the street with his kid. Oh, dude, I got goosebumps, bro. I got goosebumps. I'm going to feed that one to my twerter. And he's standing at the base of the stairs talking to Adrian about being a fighter. Yeah. When Apollo dies. Those two. Those are. Thank you, Stallone. Yeah. I mean, I got a lot of body chills right now, man. Like the one that, the Rocky one you're talking about on the street. How do you go for a walk? I got to walk this shit off, man. No, like listen to that because I think there was a, At the beginning of a song, there was a remix.

48:31I think it was Eminem. It was a mix with Eminem. And I think Roy Jones. The Rocky part was the intro to the song. Oh, dude. That's called Can't Be Touched. Can't Be Touched. Thank you. Roy Jones, that album hits harder than anything. Dude. When I play that one, I really want to go here. Yeah, yeah. Can't Be Touched. I know where? Dude, yes. Yes. but dude, I'll throw that. This can freaking get it. That song will freak. Are you down? Fire up right now. That's what I'm saying. Go for a run. You're fired up for some filet later. Those two songs, man. I'm going to tell you that song has me thinking like most of Eminem songs, but Florida boy too.

49:15So I'm, I'm originally from California. Okay. Cause Roy is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm originally from California to San Francisco Bay, but I came out to Florida in 2008. Um, but that specific song, I'm like, man, why can't that song be 25 minutes long? It should be your theme song for your podcast. That's how hard that's on Mitch Hats there. Man, we used to have a theme song. We used to have a theme song. Everybody has that theme song. It's like, yeah, I have a name on a boat. Yeah, exactly. What's your name on your boat? Bad Love, Bad Boat. You don't have a boat? Plank. You don't have a plane? Let's go.

49:43There's a certain thing you just need to rent. Come on. Come on. What about you? Best piece of advice. Yeah, I got a boat. You do? Yeah. What's it called? St. Peter. St. Peter. Yeah. Very cool. I didn't want a boat. We have a boat?

49:59he's got a dinghy and he's like get a fucking horse on we got the best piece of advice man when it comes to planes and boats you got a buddy yeah got a guy it's like the cable guy you got a guy I'm not buying that stuff he did and he likes to have friends there's a thing being added to that borrow list as we get older he just started out with planes and boats so dude talk to me about as we start winding down on time I want to talk a little bit about today, present day, right? Congressman, second term? Second term. Second term, man. Wow. Second out. I'm retiring. You're retiring? Kids, man. Kids, yeah.

50:39Can't get that time back. I'm a hardcore term limits guy. Okay. Like beat you up with it, term limits. Okay, cool. Which I didn't know, I was in my district yesterday. And all my districts, we grew up in our district. So they were like, why, you know, you're leaving. I was like, I'm term limits. They're like, well, they don't have to be that short of a car. I was like, hey, our founding fathers. Yep. That's cool. But to what Margaret just said, my babies, they got eight and I got a 12-year-old. And they're moving into that phase. Daddy got to be there to pump that blue line. Yep. Okay. And that's very important to us.

51:16I feel that. So it's two boys? Two sons. Two sons. I got two boys and a girl. Two boys and a girl. But that's a great time, Congress. Don't get me wrong. I bet. But it's important to be there for the family. Sure. Man, overall, I want to be great fathers. Yeah. I want to, we want that so bad to be good dads. Yeah. It's freeing our boys turn out, which I know they will better than me. It's like. Because when we put them out to the public, our people, he and I survive off of the American people. They put us together after all our helicopter crashes and all that freaking all his injuries. We graduated high school.

51:46The day we graduated, we were at the house and dad walks in the living room. He's like, you're 18 years old and you graduated high school. I'm giving you in and taught you everything I know. You can get a job, you can go to college, you can join the military, but you can't stay here. Oh, shit. He was a hard man. That was the conversation. Yeah, it wasn't because I tell my boys right now, I'm like, when you're 18, after you graduate high school, you have the summer, then you're leaving. But you will go to school because I'm a big academic now. Yeah. But I think that was such a profound move from our father.

52:18He goes, I can't teach you to be a man anymore than I have here. You're going to have to work. You got to go out there. They'll teach you. Yeah. The other men. And the women. Don't make a good man or break one of them. You know, we got a great time figuring that one out. Every guy knows that. Hey, you know, it's part of the journey. Part of the journey. We were 18 and we don't have to go home. Yes. Let's get ourselves into it. Thank God we were together. College got me in a lot of trouble. I play baseball at LSU. I play baseball at LSU. Yeah. Well, we hung out with all the all. So, I mean, yeah.

52:51Baseball players are crazy. Not a rugby player, but you guys are pretty nuts. We're different. We're a different breed. We're a different breed. I think rugby players. It's like their own tribes. You know, rugby is baseball players, football players. It's like once you understand them, then they're a lot of fun. Yeah. Or a closed circle. Rugby is just everywhere. We're very calculated. Not really. Strategic. Tactically strategic. Tactically strategic. Especially in the bar scene. Yeah. We know how to fish. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Deep water. We worked our way through school. and it was, it was, it was, there's something to be said about being broke.

53:26Mm-hmm. I mean. That's why I'm in California. That's the time to do it. Oh, absolutely. In college, being broke at college. Hey, when them soon loans kick in, right? When's that check coming, bro? Yeah. Dad, sorry. Yeah, we had to work. Yeah, we worked our way through. We, we weren't allowed to because, I guess, we didn't have a problem, man. We didn't have a problem. Yeah, no, we weren't allowed to. At the university, which was clutch. We were lifeguards at the university, plugged in, you know what I'm talking about? There you go. Target rich environment. Like squints from Sandlot. There's one that we worked at the great pool.

54:01It's great. Good delivery too is on time. I mean, I try. I try. Strategic. Strategically tactical. It's like I knew it was coming. That's it. But yeah, I appreciate you guys coming on. It's been so great. This has been fun, man. I don't want to stop, but I mean, I think people are waiting on us. I don't know. I just didn't know that steak burn yeah okay well we got are you are you gonna be able to eat steak you're looking at it got the bone the bone broth and i'll eat in front of him too yeah well you've been doing the last 45 days he's like i was really good about it even though it was the worst about it was my wife really yeah i was pretty cool about it i was like anything i gotta do yeah the best is when people would apologize while they're doing i'm so sorry i'm so sorry like are you you look happy i mean you You look good.

54:45You look really good. You look sorry. What did she do? He said she was the worst. Take care of him. Oh, what do you mean? No, she said she was the worst. Bro, I got trapped on an airplane in New York and they served lasagna and meatballs in there. And then she would, you know, sit right beside me. She's beside me all the time. She would just. Oh, this is so good. So good. Oh, that's so wrong. Because I'm staring. You know, you stare. Of course. Yeah, it's like. You're throwing it. It's like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, I start smiling because it can't help the smell.

55:14It can't. Do you remember what it tastes like? And then it gets more intense because you haven't had it. It's like, maybe it tastes like something that I have never had before. I know what you're talking about. That kind of mind rate starts going off. Oh my God. And then I look at her and she's like, it's good. Oh my God. That's horrible. And then we were at a charity event one time and she goes, I didn't get the steak. I got the fish because I didn't want to, I didn't want to torch you. And then I'm sitting there watching me get the fish. She's like, she goes, if you're wondering if it's the best fish I've ever had, it is.

55:43Oh my God. She sounds funny, man. She's great. That's fantastic. It's completely like when the almighty put her in front of me, I screwed up a lot of stuff in my life. I was a dumbass most of the time growing up. Edgewalker. Yeah. But when they show up. Yeah. Wow. We didn't screw any of that up. I'm the same way, man. I got blessed. I screw up a lot, but not that. I outkick my coverage big time. Yeah, absolutely. We got a buddy who says he runs out of talent. Yeah. I love that one. We waited. We waited. We were older. Yeah. There's one and done for us. I'm going to wild this. Hey. I'll try, I'll try, I'll change.

56:21Yeah. Just to make sure that works. Yeah. I can do it again. No, no. I got buddies to do that, man. I, that's one ass whooping. I don't want to. That's one thing I don't want to do. I want to do that one. Yeah. Wake up, wake up every morning, roll over and look her in her face and fall in love with her. All right. Yeah. And frigging keep it like that. I want to, I want to talk about that a little bit more because people that are listening might be having marriage problems right now. This is important. I always tell myself, because you have issues with marriage. You're just a type of, remember that first?

56:52Yeah, this is when we do. That first couple of months. You got these butterflies in your stomach. Every time you see them, freaking touches you. Touches your hand. Yeah, game on. I tell myself, remember that. Remember that. Don't ever forget that, man. I can tell you. I was like, because we ain't easy to get along with. At all. But, and they just take care of us and our kids. Kids, man. It's like, you know, God does such an, it's such amazing things for us. But. Like teammate too. I love that. Oh, once they covered down on you for something you didn't see, like a blind spot. Yep. I got a whiff of that.

57:31Oh yeah. And I was like, you did that for me? Like that's something my boys would have done. And she stepped up into that and that took some pain. That is differently for you. Yeah, real. Yeah. That's all in. Somebody I heard said one time, like, hey, man, if you ever caught anybody talking to your wife the way you do, you wouldn't just beat them up. You'd kill them. And that changed me. And then one I heard was like, hey, your marriage is like a weather channel. Constant updates. Like feeding the storm. Like keep it at bay. It's like, hey, what's up? What do I need to do? Is there something I can cover down on?

58:02And what? Because women speak a different language than men. I didn't know that when I got in there. If you'd be in an argument and then the argument would take a different level. like sometimes you're saying the same thing but saying it a different way right they don't never ever say anything that would change the way she looks at you as a human being because men especially our generation have a superpower to do that yeah we do you come off at the mouth and crush them yeah yep like that's what you want to drink anything or do anything that makes her feel like you won't protect her man you don't want to lose that yeah that is that's why we get We shut them off.

58:36Anyway, we weren't saying anything. Trust me. Trust me. You don't want me to speak. You don't want me to. Give me a second here. Let me walk this off. I'm going to call one of my boys something. And I'll just kind of look at him like, not cheap to me. Just let me walk this off for a second. It may take a couple days. We'll be good. Yeah. It's got nothing to do with you, but for whatever reason, you're always here. And like, I don't know. You can see the same thing to your boys and it wouldn't even do anything. Yeah. Because they're just designed for that. Yeah. But the women aren't, right? Because in the wife thing, they take that very seriously.

59:08It changes something in the relationship. So we didn't know that. This is coming from our side. Leslie, man, she understands, hey, this is a two-way street. And you're going to have to receive what I'm sending because I'm going to do the best for you. Yeah. And people that have the rocky relationships, man, communications is key. Everybody now you're talking to me. I don't want to say, hey, man, when you go to bed at night and you roll over, even if you can't even stand the way that I smell right now, tell me you love me. Yeah. you never go to bed mad we don't never never you know my my mom taught me that in an early age never go to bed mad you know i slept on the couch yes but you weren't mad i just don't go to bed i'm like oh yeah i can't go to bed i'm like i'm not going to bed i think it's important because because we're not guaranteed the next day we don't know if the good lord is gonna wake us up like you're gonna go oh imagine how hard that would hit like in a fight and they leave and something happens dude how many movies have been made over that scenario oh dude a thousand can't take a can't take it back you didn't want you on that kind of grief yeah you know one of the things that that my wife and i do if we're in a really heated argument we'll just take a break within the house none of neither one of us will leave yeah like if i leave if i leave i'm going outside for a walk yeah you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fire up the trx right because because that engine would probably trigger something different for her and to me i could say well i'm just going for a ride no no no because we don't know what's gonna happen on that ride okay you know So it's always, it's, tell me you love me before you go to bed, no matter how we're feeling, no matter how pissed you are at me.

1:00:39Always kiss her good night. Yeah. I'm like, hey, bro. Check this shit. Do what Leslie did. What Leslie did to me, man. Just tell me, I'm crazy. I'll explain this thing to you. And here comes a different perspective. I'm like, I didn't see it that way. Thank you. And we got our crew too. Yeah. I'll call, hey, man, you ever been in this scenario? Oh, yeah. I'm like, what did you do? And what would you wish you had done? Yeah, what should I not do? I haven't done anything yet. So I'm thinking about doing this. I'm thinking about doing this. And then he'll say something like, all right, you hang up, you call the next guy.

1:01:14Hey, man, this is what I got. And then we get these different perspectives. And it makes you feel better, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the time you got it off your chest, you're like, come walk it in. And then if you screw up, even if you don't screw up, apologize. Yeah. Yep. They love that. It makes everything clear as the air. If you were the one that didn't do it, I apologize. Man, I say sorry for stuff. Just be a man. Just freaking man up. Man up, dude. Cover that shit. So I always call my best friend Quinn. Bro. Yeah. Bro. I'm about to lose my shit right now. Hear me out. He goes, oh no.

1:01:44He goes, but don't, bro. Frenchie, don't. Don't. He goes, what happened? What did my buddy do? Because my best friend and my wife, they're like identical. They're both Virgos. They both have that same, you know, energy. and they're the most loving people on the planet and they're there for you they'll kill for me but you know it's like he can help me through things if i need something i was like hey exactly it's like hey bro jackie's doing this man that's how i'm perceiving it he goes like well no but from her perspective bro like think of it this way i said bro whose side you're on he goes both of yours yeah like both of yours like i'm on your side so i'm telling you this so you don't go do some Sean French shit.

1:02:26Don't mess that up. So it's important. But all right, guys. Well, thank you so much. Yeah, you bet. Appreciate you guys so much. It was great meeting you. We're going to have a great time this weekend. I mean, there's just some quail hunting. I don't, bro, I've never shot, maybe shot a gun once in my life. Yeah, go practice. That's what, no, that's the thing. Just like wedding crashes. I mean, what a quail looks like. Yeah, wedding crashers. Didn't, wasn't it Vince Vaughn? Like I shot in the ass? I don't want to get shot in the ass. I don't want to get shot in the ass. No one shoots me in the ass.

1:02:55I'm not close anyways. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I think I trust you with a gun. I think I'm not, I'm not worried about y 'all, but thanks again for coming on and for the audience that listened to this episode, um, share this with somebody, you know, love and trust, maybe with a veteran, maybe with a spouse. We talked about a lot of things in this show, right guys. And you know, and even that friend or spouse or somebody struggling with how to move forward when things are getting tough. So, you know, here at the Determined Society, we do the hard things in life. And so for all of you out there, until next time, stay determined.