Danica Patrick Opens Up About Breast Implant Illness, Inflammation, and Starting Over

17:23Gabrielle Lyon:Were you like, okay, my nervous system is too, I'm too aroused. My autonomic nerve, if I don't bring this down a notch, I am basically seeing in this kind of tunnel vision.

17:34Danica Patrick:Not for me because I'm pretty low on neuroticism too. Like I'm not a fixator. I don't like, I don't like, I don't, I don't spiral. That's not my nature. it's not in my genetics in my pathways in my hormones in my brain chemistry like it's just not in me and actually if I'm being honest the more pressure and stress I had the better I did I always had great performances at the big ones like it's something fortunately came out of me so no the more pressure and stress I had the better it was for me

18:12Gabrielle Lyon:Was there less thinking or more thinking leading up to these events?

18:18Danica Patrick:The more stressful ones? Yeah. I think there tend to be more thought and effort or thought and time around them. But once you get in the car, it's not about thinking. It's about – that's why a race car driver can have a long career because having experience is really something that pays off because you can't – you're not running a play out there. You have no idea what the other 20 or 30 or 40 cars are going to do. So the experience pays off. But I'd say there's something, I'll use this, I don't know if it's totally applicable, but I think that when you're doing something really high performance, and maybe you notice it sometimes in here, maybe you notice it sometimes on stage, but sometimes you go into one of these flow states that feels like almost like you're not there, but it's flowing.

19:12Danica Patrick:And there's like, there's an, there's a frequency that you're, you're tapped into that is, uh, out of body almost or beyond. And it's, um, as a race car driver, you know, you notice this when there'd be like something that happened that really fired you up, or you maybe lost pit stops, lots of spots on a pit stop, or maybe got a penalty, had to start from the back, something like that. And all of a sudden you just went into another mode. You're already in another mode, but the ones that could get that next level, which is so, it's so, it's like, there's, there's like a, there's an aggression, but there's like a very present flow state to it.

19:54Danica Patrick:Those are the ones, those are the people that do the best. They can really get into that state. And that's why I'm saying like certain things like you know you can be mad that something happened that made you like lose positions that got you fired up right and you can take yourself out of the game and spiral and freak out or you it or hopefully it dials you in and helps you focus even more right and helps you take an elevated state to a focused place did you practice any pre-performance rituals the only thing I ever did and I I mean I started doing this when I was in go-karts when I was a kid without anyone telling me that I needed to do it but I did visualization like I would just sit there like on the cooler or in a chair and I would just or I'd be sitting in my go-kart ready to go out when I first started doing this and I just sit there and I close my eyes and I would drive the track perfect and so you know as most people know that are into psychology and and performance is that, and methods of learning, visualization, even if you visualize your muscle flexing, can add benefit, which is wild.

21:05Gabrielle Lyon:You're like, wait a minute, how does this thing being human really work? Like, I'm never going to the gym again. I'm just going to visualize bigger biceps. But there is a measurable effect. What happens when the performance becomes your identity?

21:23Danica Patrick:I mean, that happened to some degree, right? I think the, the, the, maybe not the job was never my identity necessarily, but like the, um, I learned this actually through health stuff too. Um, so that can help us get into some of that if we want. Um, is that my identity was having results that were proof of effort. so if i didn't get results that proved the effort like i knew that like things would just happen if they was the right amount of commitment the right amount of effort all these things like there's good things happen um and so i think that something that's integral to my being and who i want to be how i want to be seen is i never want anyone to think that i didn't that i'm lazy or that i didn't try hard enough or that I didn't put in the effort.

22:16Danica Patrick:And so like I like that was very much like my evil face at the track. Like I'm trying to be better than fourth. Don't you know that? Or like when health stuff slipped for me, like I ended up realizing that a core thing that was really, really uncomfortable within me was I was like, I'm trying harder than ever and you can't see it like i'm trying harder than ever and so i realized that it's like that part of my personality is so important to me that um the results are the evidence and that's because they should happen

22:51Gabrielle Lyon:because they should happen you should have control and full disclosure you've been a patient of mine for i don't know almost three a little bit longer yeah three or four years almost yeah going on four years actually and um the story of how we met which is pretty funny we did an interview together

23:09Danica Patrick:and i interviewed you for my podcast yeah yeah and i because i've been watching your stuff for so long and you know i made the i made the like fatal like ego mistake of being like you know i saw you very early on when you and don would do these like you were at a desk or maybe he was too i can't i'm like all these videos and i thought they were i feel like they were like 20 minutes ish and they were so informational and i've always been so into health stuff anyway but then of course as i was needing more information um finding more of it as well and um it was just so early on i was like well just not there's not a lot of views yet there's not and i like and then as soon as it hit like as soon as you started going on i'm like all right i'm gonna ask the interviewer now and i shouldn't have been a jerk and i should have just like interviewed you 10 10 years later.

23:54Danica Patrick:Like 10 years. It was probably a few years though. It was a few years. Because I think I interviewed in maybe 22, maybe, yeah, 22. And I had already been watching for a few years for sure.

24:08Gabrielle Lyon:It takes time. When did you and Dawn start putting videos out? Again, we've been doing this for easily 10 years. I don't know when the videos started. Right.

24:16Danica Patrick:And that was, yeah. So that, yeah, early on. They were very early on. Yeah. And then so I had already known your stuff. And then I was like, and I'm so into health, so I was like, I'm going to talk to you.

24:26Gabrielle Lyon:And it takes time to mature, just like it takes time to mature into a really exceptional race car driver. It takes time to mature into a good scientist, a good clinician, and a good science communicator. We did an interview, and this is, and for the physicians listening, I think they'll understand. You just have a knowing, and maybe it's the unconscious competence of the people that you can really help. and I basically twisted your arm and said listen Danica uh I'm going to take over your medical care and you give me six months and I will give you freedom and you're like that's it yeah uh no

25:03Danica Patrick:I'm I'm I'm good I was like all right and I had been so many doctors last try I'd been through so many doctors I'm like all right it had been a while since I tried a new one because I went breast implants in and 2013 ish or no 14 knows 14 or 15 anyway I'd had him in for about five or six years at that point six years at that point maybe anyway it was after three years that I started to notice stuff and then another through through a few years later like more cascade effect had happened and I couldn't get a grip on anything and so I started just doing every protocol I didn't care i would stack a million things in a day i would have multiple doctors action oriented oh man i didn't care what worked as long as if i did everything i'd just keep doing everything i just was looking for something that worked and then i got to the point where i started just working with one and then i'd work with another and then i was just like you know what whatever i'm just i don't know i don't know what's going on anymore and so then when we met and you know I was like, kind of like, all right, it's been a little while since I tried another doctor.

26:12Danica Patrick:Let's do it. Let's try it. And I think I signed up for the shorter distance time. I was like, you know what? Let's just do this and see how it goes. It was kind of like review labs, try something and then review them again, kind of a setup. And I was like, all right, let's do it.

26:27Gabrielle Lyon:And I delivered on my promise. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, it was very quick. And the reality is I knew because you move so fast that I needed to give you an early win. And for us, you know, we started working on your inflammation and you were training twice a day. You were in the room doing pushups. And I mean, just. I do like an like a like a car.

26:51Danica Patrick:I did CrossFit for a long time, which, you know, I don't know if you've talked to any of those kinds of people or worked on and worked on those people. I mean, probably because it's kind of a military base. Like there's a very much that sort of culture to it. And I just killed myself. I absolutely killed myself. But you expected results. Hormonally. Oh, yeah. Oh, they worked at first. And like you just can't keep pulling that lever, right? So and then age happens. And also like age is something. I don't think it's that as big of a deal. I think it's more about like you can only handle something for so long if it's not good for you, right?

27:28Danica Patrick:And then the body does a pretty good job. But then it ends up just starting like systems start to shut down and adapting and protecting the most vital things about you. And so, yeah, I mean, I've gained weight, like lost my hair, like full inflammation. You were exhausted. I don't know if you remember. You were exhausted. I had no recovery. Like at one point in time during all of this, I was also, I ran the Boston Marathon. So I had to like train for that. And I was training either at altitude and Telluride or I was in Arizona where it was summer. and it was basically 100 degrees as soon as the sun came up.

28:01Danica Patrick:Like overnight lows of 90 degrees, you know? Like, I mean, I don't know why I didn't decide to just run it like during the dark. I was like, okay, I'll start as soon as it starts to get light. And then I'd finish and it'd be like 106 degrees. And I'm like, and I'd like horrible.

28:17Gabrielle Lyon:So I had no recovery. It was just a disaster. You know, when you think about someone who's been able to put in effort and get outcome in your whole life, right? Because that's what you did. how mentally and there's a lot of people that listen to this podcast that go through health challenges and they don't have answers things are still really nebulous there's nothing that even even the most mentally tough people when you put a health problem in the mix it's it's so difficult

28:45Danica Patrick:because you need a different different discipline like the discipline that got you there is not going to get you out. So like the discipline of like work ethic and trying harder and pushing and pushing and more is, is exactly the opposite of what the recovery is. It's like there was something someone said along the way where like the body knows how to heal. You have to just give it the right environment. And I was like, okay, so you have to practice patience and rest and all the things that didn't work for a long time, you know, that didn't work. And they were also not part of your benefit of whether it's performance at work or performance with your body or performance with your mind.

29:26Danica Patrick:Right. So it's a different discipline. And so I just, um, but I'm, I am grateful because it gave me, um, it gave me this ability to talk, to speak to it, you know, to come from a professional athlete, from a, someone that's been successful to be able to tell people like, it doesn't always work and it can't work all the time. So yeah, I took a different discipline.

29:49Gabrielle Lyon:I really like that statement the idea of a different kind of discipline because when we think of discipline at least I do I think of one way sure and discipline is discernment do the right the next right thought into the next right action and and it's just driving it's not motivation yeah what would you tell someone who is well it doesn't feel very disciplinary to sit

30:12Danica Patrick:on the couch that doesn't feel like discipline discipline feels like an iron fist or a you You know, the wooden spoon, you know, it's like discipline is like difficult. Get after it. Get after it. But for the go-getter who got in trouble by doing too much, that is actually hard. The amount of re... We were talking at the very beginning. And so I'm kind of feeling my way into it here. Like the amount of reprogramming of that nervous system to allow myself to rest, like it's like skin crawling at first. You're like, oh my God, you're like antsy. You feel so lazy. Your mind's telling you a million things and you have to reprogram.

30:51Gabrielle Lyon:What would you tell someone who is listening and they're in the same position? Maybe they've been getting after it their whole life and they've been successful and they were in the spot you were in.

31:01Danica Patrick:I'd tell them that if you want to achieve the highest amount of health, that you'll get it by allowing your body to rest and recover and be ready to go for the next thing. So you have to tell them that they're going to get what they want by doing this. It's not like, just enjoy the couch. I feel like I had to convince you. I feel like I had to convince you. Yeah, yeah. Just enjoy the couch. Just watch a movie. Just rest. Don't, you know, whatever it's okay. And to be clear, that's not my recommendation.

31:27Gabrielle Lyon:I'm just kidding.

31:28Danica Patrick:Although I have been trying to get you to talk you into drinking more. But, I mean, other than—

31:33Gabrielle Lyon:I will tell, I did challenge you to push-ups, and it was literally the worst day I've ever had. And, you know, I'm pro. You are.

31:41Danica Patrick:And I'd say you beat me in the gym today. and you're a powerhouse.

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32:34Gabrielle Lyon:The workout was the hard part, but the recovery doesn't have to be. Head to bodyhealth.com and use the code LION20 to get 20 % off your first order. That's bodyhealth.com and use the code LION20. Well, my upper body strength is pretty good. I know you're pretty jacked, but what would you - I did live in this position for a long time. I mean, people have to recalibrate and reorient to the push but i would also say one of the other things that i want to acknowledge that you did really well is you tuned out the noise you're someone who has access to everything and everybody and those people actually from a health perspective do the worst what kind of noise do you always feel do you feel like are we talking about like friends family social media like what are you talking about the health and wellness noise which is something that we we and i talked privately about yesterday with the new dietary guidelines.

33:33Gabrielle Lyon:But there's so much noise and everybody is an expert. Oh, and everything can kill you or save your life. It's too much. Just ask Paul Saladino.

33:42Danica Patrick:Everything can kill you.

33:43Gabrielle Lyon:And it's too much. And those that are following multiple people, or let's say they're impatient, and they jump from doctor to doctor to provider to program because they're so action-oriented. Can you imagine if you had done that in driving? Yeah. Now, the one thing I'd say about that, and this is something that I recommend to people too, is that I did go through the doctors and I needed to because I had to get to you.

34:11Danica Patrick:And so every doctor's kind of got, you know, there's definitely levels, right? Um, you know, you don't wear your grade on your sleeve, but like, you know, and you don't wear your special, more intuitive skill, like skill sets and, and ability to read situations like on a name tag or like on your, under your name and a header. But, but in general, I do think that you kind of have to take your time and give dedication to a doctor at a time and go through a protocol and do what's recommended. and you give it some time. And if it doesn't work, it's okay to move on because the, the job I found that a doctor tends to do what they've been doing.

34:54Danica Patrick:Like, and I think there's levels to that. Like I said, um, like if a doctor has good enough intuition and understanding and scope and knowledge, you know, they're more adaptable and, and able to help better. But generally like the doctor kind of had their thing. And so like, if that thing didn't work for you, it's okay to go to the next doctor. Um, but I do believe that I made the mistake early on of like compounding it all and having many of them and many protocols. And, um, and so I would say that, um, cause I'm so glad that I didn't stick with any one of them because I, I needed to get to you.

35:28Danica Patrick:And then once it works, it works and it should like, this is like an analogy within racing that I'd say is that you'd put a, you, you change the setup on the car. You're trying to like fix a handling issue. one of the rookie mistakes that can be made by drivers is that they go and they just kind of like they're like oh it kind of helped it kind of did no if it works it's obvious that's all you need to know and if it didn't if it wasn't obvious positive go back like you have to go back to reset you have to go back to baseline constantly otherwise you're going to end up with just you know a very um out of out of balance sort of set up on your car so you had to kind of go back to what the computer says is like the right thing and then go from there and just one at a time you try things there were so many times that we would i mean shoot sometimes we'd have to back to back something like going out a time a day versus another time a day with the same setup make sure that you know where you're at you can't just go in there with another one so you really have to like you have to go easy and you have to give the doctor the right amount of time but um but i think that uh i think that i think that it's okay to try a new one if they're not working you said

36:37Gabrielle Lyon:You said something to me yesterday. We were talking about hiring and also firing. And you said you got to move on really fast and that maybe that there's a gut knowing if you think that this… and again, this is not just for providers. It's for anyone who's hiring. And again, any position, if you don't think they're… if you just have a gut feeling that it's not going to work… I mean, how many times do we try over long periods of time to keep or just want that to work because we don't want to, I don't know if it's make someone feel bad or just give them the benefit of the doubt.

37:13Danica Patrick:Right. Well, it's hurt their feelings. It's maybe not really knowing the full scope, especially as like a boss or something like that. You might not really see every last detail and in and out and like daily activity that someone does. So you're kind of like maybe not sure too. but like an employee should stand out and until and there are definitely jobs for for jobs that don't need to be so stand out but like when you're looking for someone to be on your team to do great things for you it should be obvious just like the change on the setup just like the doctor that works just like a protocol it should work it should be obvious it shouldn't just be invisible like it shouldn't it's not business as usual it should be like oh my god i couldn't live without this person you know this this is like wow they're impressive um so what is that it's like hire slow and fire fast yeah um and i and i haven't always fired fast but um probably all of us yeah i mean right exactly and and but but in the end everyone that i ended up thinking needed to be or like a position that needed to change it was a hundred percent like such a relief and like so obvious that it was the right thing.

38:20Danica Patrick:And so, yeah, you do have to, you know, I think our intuition is something that, and I'm not, and I believe that this, it's a little stronger in women. I don't know, maybe it's because we're a portal for humans or something, but, um, but like our, but intuition, and this is where I think even as an esoteric topic kind of gets into is that this sort of like patriarch matriarch, like, um, like gender struggle. It's not, It's about everyone doing, contributing what they are uniquely skilled at being able to understand and see. And I think that women are really good at that intuition thing. But the discipline of trusting it is the hard one.

39:02Gabrielle Lyon:You started a women's group. And I think that your motivation to do that was to really bring out the best as a collective unit. You know, there's a group of 10 of us. And to really bring out the best, I thought that was wise. Because right now, when I look out into the landscape and I think about this idea of stoicism and there's a level of neutrality and it's being detached from your thoughts and the conversations are, they're very male dominated. And I think you and I are very similar and many of our friends are very similar that we don't think, is this a male, female, is racing male? We're not really thinking even along those lines.

39:41Gabrielle Lyon:But what I do think is missing in the conversation is that the stoicism talk for the most part, it's men's stories. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

39:53Danica Patrick:Yeah, there's not a lot of stoics out there that you hear are women. And I think that there's been… and if you want to get into conspiracy, like, you know, whether it's conspiracy or just truth or an idea that like women have been more erased from history than men. Like even when you think way back to like Greek times and like ancient times in Egypt and even places like that, like there were women rulers. There was women were in charge and I don't feel like that's…you don't really see them as being prevalent figures for that. But I think that women…and maybe we don't deliver the one-liner.

40:35Gabrielle Lyon:I have no idea. But I do believe that we're very intuitive and that like the – we're good at creating.

40:44Danica Patrick:Whether it's humans or a company or a vision or a blend of a group or whatever. It's like women are very creative and maybe that's a little harder to pen in over time.

40:57Gabrielle Lyon:Do you think when you were racing and again even now there probably wasn't – I'm sure there were trainers and I mean they – they it's unlikely that they had other female not really there wasn't a lot of in racing i mean i

41:11Danica Patrick:worked out and i trained but i i wouldn't say there's a lot of trainers or even like coaches

41:15Gabrielle Lyon:it's a weird sport but was there one you know was the biology and was the way of thinking about it more male and when i say that is if you think about say special operations um the training protocol I mean they're thinking and again for example they don't have there's not a female seal the training would be uh focused in one way again it's not gender specific

41:41Danica Patrick:but it just doesn't fit you know it doesn't exist for a for a hundred pounder like us to throw a hundred pound you know sandbag over a wall as part of our training is going to be infinitely harder than for a 200 pound man to do that right and so I think there's like suitable jobs for people too

41:58Gabrielle Lyon:And it just makes me think about the adaptation, physical adaptation, if you feel like it would be different. If you could go back, would you have done it differently in a way to evolve you?

42:13Danica Patrick:As an athlete, like training and all that stuff? I mean, I definitely had a lot more salt in my water.

42:19Gabrielle Lyon:And full disclosure, you had a bottle of salt with you. I was like, what is that? She brings seasoning to the gym? Oh, yeah.

42:25Danica Patrick:Well, I had a packet. and I also travel with salt. I have a little salt in my, yeah, because table salt's garbage. And salt's very important. I literally feel like I would die without salt. So I think there are certain things like that I would do. I mean, I think I'm in the best, best, like, body composition and strength of my life. Hands down.

42:46Gabrielle Lyon:So I'm, I guess, I did see you in, like, the, it was the, was it the New York Post? Or it was something and they were, it was the headline. It was Danica Patrick in a red bikini. Oh, God. Somewhere, somewhere.

42:58Danica Patrick:Showing my ass. Well, thanks to my doctor, you know, she got me dialed in.

43:04Gabrielle Lyon:But also hard training. There's no shortcut. Yeah. You know, we hear a lot of the conversation about medications and people go, oh, well, you know, it's available to anyone and everything.

43:16Danica Patrick:So is weights. But it's not.

43:19Gabrielle Lyon:the reality is in order for people to really embody and get to the position that they want to get to physically it requires work there is no there is no magic pill that's right there is no

43:31Danica Patrick:for anything no i mean probably one of the greatest gifts i was ever told also from a mental standpoint back in the day with a with a therapist was that no one's coming to save you i was like i broke down and cried i was like oh my god i have to do this all myself and it's like no you have help, but like you have to, you have to rectify this within you. You have to forgive or accept or change or shift or whatever it takes to like, it's up to you. No one, no, I'm sorry. No, um, no forgiveness. No, no conversation is ever going to solve the problem within you. The problem you, everywhere you go, the problem will be there.

44:11Danica Patrick:If you don't figure it out, It doesn't matter where you go. So yeah, I mean, from a physical standpoint, from a mental standpoint, emotional standpoint, it's on you. Yeah. I like the saying, I'm sure somebody else has said it, but, um, but I like to say like, your life is your fault. And the immediate thought is like, Oh, but then it's like, Oh, cause like it also implies all the good stuff. So every bit of success that you've, you've been able to accrue, like every positive experience, all of those things are you every good relationship every friendship every experience every joy and laugh

44:47Gabrielle Lyon:like you in racing it seems again i've never been in a race car we're gonna change that someday um well i'll go go-karting i've done that no i need to get you in a two seat you need to sit next to

45:00Danica Patrick:me so i can um i'd be terrified but i was just gonna say i can tell that this is not something And then you're like, listen, I'll do it.

45:08Gabrielle Lyon:But those situations are so high pressure. And you've said that you perform better under this high pressure situation. I would agree with that. They're black and white. This is the outcome or this isn't. It's a right turn. It's a left turn. But in life, in relationships, in entrepreneurship, it is not like that. And it might not be at the height of anxiety or at the height of this ultimate decision. it's a low level buzz and a low level hum. It is. It's, it's subtle.

45:40Danica Patrick:It's subtle. It's nuanced and it's subtle. That's much more difficult to deal with on a daily basis, which is essentially

45:47Gabrielle Lyon:real life than those big overwhelming tasks.

45:51Danica Patrick:I think in that nuanced subtleness that we're talking about, about which you, what you should be doing, shouldn't be doing, um, where your focus This should be any or like you just even like a this is for me. This is not for me kind of way. Whatever that is. And it could be work. It could be people, friends, relations, anything. I don't think that is gray. I think that is kind of black and white. I think what's gray is seeing it. It's like hard to see. It's hard to really know. Like there's no concrete evidence of like first or last, right? It's like, I don't know. should I change jobs? Should I move here?

46:31Danica Patrick:Should I do that? Should we break up? Is that friend hurt? Like, is like, you can look at a million scenarios and you're like, I don't know. And it's just kind of all, but like the subtle nuanced energy of it and the little signs and stuff that come through in your life through people or scenarios or intuition or, or like the, or like signs, like a bird could fly by and it might mean something kind of in your head. You're like, yeah, whatever, it's a bird. Like it could be kind of stupid. I don't think it's that great. I think it's kind of black and white and it's just really hard to tell. It's really hard to tell.

47:08Danica Patrick:And that is something that I've only been able to cultivate more, I would say in my 30s on.

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48:33Danica Patrick:It's like getting more in touch with that because, and it's probably harder than ever nowadays with social media, with constant streaming everything, with every television show available. Like you wouldn't even go to the bathroom alone now, right? I do.

48:48Gabrielle Lyon:And I lock the door and there's no kids coming in.

48:51Danica Patrick:Right. But do you bring your phone? Nope. Oh, good for you. I do. In fact, half the time I don't even know where it is. I mean, it's either, it's me and my, it's my phone and Ella. My dog Ella is always just right there. She's a Malamon. So I think that we don't really get a break to really know where we're at. So I would always tell people too, that like the best way to know who you are, which is not the easiest thing in the world to do, to know who you are. Because it also evolves. But to know who you are and like even know your set point, what I would call like your home energy, that requires being alone.

49:22Danica Patrick:Like you really can't. How else are you going to find it? Like how, I mean, the way that I discovered it was when I was racing NASCAR and I was living in North Carolina. There was like a lot of time alone. And so like it would be simple things like, you know, okay, well, what am I going to do?

49:38Gabrielle Lyon:I don't have anything to do.

49:39Danica Patrick:You kind of figure out what foods, when you like to eat, like what your hobbies are, what your interests, what your home energy is like. Like you start developing even more hobbies that are like you kind of start figuring yourself out. But it's really hard to do when you're people pleasing, when you're socializing, when you're adapting, when you're distracted, like when you're in a routine. Like you have to be alone a little bit. Have you ever experienced that? Was there ever like a time where you like learned who you were more about yourself? Does that hit home or?

50:12Gabrielle Lyon:It does. And I would say not so much in the quiet times. I think that scholarly activity and, you know, school was not easy for me. I would study 12 hours a day. I would really, I knew that I had to compensate. Was it the stress that made it hard on you?

50:31Danica Patrick:All of it. kind of took you out of the game like we were talking about or was it more like you just weren't someone that like there are people that have like insane recall like they can learn at once and it's in them like and i don't really have that i'm like a first-hand learner so like if i have experiential or visual like sort of i have to really like ingrain it into me and then it's in but was that

50:54Gabrielle Lyon:yes i'd have to think about it i'd have to draw it out yeah and then i'd have to think about a creative way that it would be applied sure as opposed to just kind of passive learning and that took a lot of time and a lot of energy and those moments that it was quiet and i didn't know if i could do it i would say that was a home energy um i'm curious as to how you would describe your home energy fun this place you are let's dance let's get it going like it's light-hearted it's very

51:25Danica Patrick:funny. But, um, I mean, that's just like being obvious about like what my home energy feels like to me. Um, goofy, um, not serious. Uh, uh, that's feels home energy to me. Um, but I would just like for, for anybody, it would just be when you feel like a high frequency, like when you feel like, um, when you feel, uh, like I would say I associated to a frequency. So like when your frequency is higher, when your vibes are higher, your energy is higher, when you're able to sort of see the best in scenarios more often when you're less negatively affected when you're less easily triggered um and also i think a really good sign that you are in your home energy and you're doing things that are meant for you is like um is that uh you like things synchronicities constantly happen constantly like you'll just be like day after day or week after week you just be like there's certain things you're having be like oh wow i couldn't have i couldn't have even planned that or like everything's working out in ways that I could never even arrange or imagine.

52:27Danica Patrick:I think that's also a really good sign that you're like in your home frequency and energy because I think about the universe in an energetic way.

52:35Gabrielle Lyon:And so which is unusual for someone who has been very calculating your whole career. Yeah, probably. And I think that we have to pause there because let's say someone was sitting here and, you know, I don't know, I did this one post where I'm wearing crystals and maybe you're like wearing crystals and patchouli and but that's not how you've really gone through life and i say that jokingly but the reality is we are similar in that way that it's you know here's the data here's the configuration here's the science what is the trajectory of x y and z but what you're saying is there is um something beyond the cut dry right left that is perhaps even a universal language language of frequency.

53:19Danica Patrick:Yeah. It's like in, it's in the field, you know, it's like in the field and it would be, I think, you know, from a, like a, especially creative people, they would talk about like it, something came through them. Like the song came through them, the book, the idea, whatever it is, like the create, like the idea for a company or a product, like they're like, you've heard plenty of people, I think say like, I don't know, it just came through me. It wasn't really me. And maybe that even happens from a doctor perspective, like, right, it comes through, like, I don't know where that you can tell the difference that you're like, I didn't think of that.

53:53Danica Patrick:I don't really know where it came from. But I have a knowing. And like that, I think is what we're talking about is like being and that's subtle and nuanced, man. That's because there's no concrete evidence of that. There's no concrete evidence of like the coming through me, right? I mean there can be a song that gets produced or a certain thing but like but you can't sort of like push the button on that all the time. It just requires you to be in tune. It requires you to be present. It requires you to trust yourself.

54:24Gabrielle Lyon:It is not something and personally maybe you know how to bring it in. It is not something that I can turn on and turn off.

54:32Danica Patrick:Right.

54:33Gabrielle Lyon:Maybe if I meditated more perhaps or… Maybe if I meditated ever. We have a solution to that.

54:40Danica Patrick:And the best thing I do is pray. I do pray. I feel like I'm a very spiritual person, not religious. I think all religions have some value for sure and great values and then just get messed up by man. But I pray. I don't know. There's something to it. It's always worked.

54:58Gabrielle Lyon:And you know what? You were talking about that. And we frankly and you know we pray with the family. We prayed last night. We do. Both the kids prayed last night. With their sweet little prayers. The only, yeah, I mean, I don't know how to tap into that to be, you know, knowing that you are operating in the correct domain. Again, it's very subtle.

55:23Danica Patrick:I don't think we're meant to in this reality, in this human experience the way that it is right now. I don't think that we're always meant to be in that state. I don't think we'd be able to be here. I don't think that's the frequency we're meant to be at. We're supposed to access it. But I don't know. Yeah, I think when people get more and more and more like that, it's not that easy to be human.

55:48Gabrielle Lyon:I know you have too much human work to do. I will tell you I had a moment where I was in D.C. I was on stage when RFK and Marty McCary and the group were addressing the nation about the dietary guidelines. and you know this has been something behind the scenes that I've I've been working on for I mean 10 10 25 years but 10 years of something that I I didn't think would ever happen for oh yeah yeah and it was you know and I was just sitting there had even been a crazy experience and for surreal almost it was I was trying to hold back tears where I'm on stage people are holding eat real foods with the beef side and and people were very excited but for me it was very personal because of my mentor who whose science is who wrote the protein aspect of these guidelines and again he's a scientist nobody knows his name i mean you do if you i know because i started watching your videos together but it was it's fascinating to dedicate your life to someone and something and their science because you know it can drive humanity yeah and to just to just be there um it was it was a moment where just time stopped and i don't know if i can ever probably felt very light like it probably felt like a floating sort of sense almost yeah it was how did it feel well i was like am i are my armpits sweating through this white coat that i'm wearing and uh one of my best friends you can't take the jacket off then but um It felt very right.

57:29Gabrielle Lyon:It felt like it was a moment of, and I don't know. Relief? Completing a dharma. It was completing a mission. Oh, shoot. Now what? It was, oh, I mean, that's just getting started. Okay, good. I mean, we got to have better foods in schools. I have this playbook coming out.

57:44Danica Patrick:Like, we can't find you on the beach in Costa Rica just surfing. That's not going to happen for you.

57:48Gabrielle Lyon:My next venture is, you know, I'm writing a book on strong women. but it was this moment that you never it's probably like when you see this Haley's Common or Shooting Star that maybe as an astronaut you've been wanting to see your whole life it was something profound and I say all of that because I don't know if I could ever recreate that moment or those moments that feeling I couldn't seek it out I can only do the next best thing in front of me to be able to be in aligned with what they can happen more often i'm hoping and i think that i think that i

58:26Danica Patrick:think from again like a little bit of a woo standpoint it does seem like time has sped up in a way that like karma comes quick like things happen really fast like i do feel like there's something to that it doesn't feel like we're like 1950 speed anymore we are at warp speed and maybe it's a technology thing you know but like it even just feels like from a personal perspective like just things in life just happen really fast and like things are coming to completion and lessons are coming around and and being learned quicker and so um so what I guess what I would say is it's like something that made you know somebody that made their life's work to try and figure something out might not ever do but maybe the next person does now I think that there's a there's that we're in this interesting sort of like place in the universe where I think that there's an opportunity to do that many times now I think that I think that this is and and um and uh the the momentum of one success can lead to the next

59:20Gabrielle Lyon:for sure too that is credibility something that is very important credibility and the velocity at which information now spreads and the velocity at which we can make impact I mean shoot AI coming

59:34Danica Patrick:like I know I don't know does that scare you from a doctor's perspective like I mean from a materialistic sort of like hands-on or hands-off robot and also even just from like a human perspective from a sentient being perspective like it it concerns me greatly i have a few comments

59:53Gabrielle Lyon:i love the idea of becoming better at diagnoses this is amazing i love the idea of a digital twin where we could say we recreate anika patrick and here's the protocols that are work based on her genetics and her physiology and our data set here's the outcome of what we'd expect in what way the other aspect is have you ever gotten those foot massages from the machine yeah they're not that good exactly versus having a foot massage from another human being that intuitively can

1:00:24Danica Patrick:feel like and also has sensory and you know the robots can develop better ones but like they'll never be able to i don't i don't believe they'll ever be they're not consciousness

1:00:36Gabrielle Lyon:Consciousness is born into you. Yes. And there's a nervous system that happens when two people, friends, relationships, patient, physician, it's not two nervous systems. It's one. It's one connected nervous system. And that will never be replaced by technology. Right, right. Exactly.

1:00:59Danica Patrick:Exactly. Like, I mean, that intuition to like, no, don't do that. I just have, you know, that doesn't exist with the robot, you know?

1:01:07Gabrielle Lyon:It's just a linear pathway for them, right? And to care for someone. To care for someone, caring for an individual is not a construct that will ever be developed by a machine. Caring for your fellow human is something that is an eight to the human. So with that, on a lighter note, I'm going to ask you just a few rapid fire questions and we will close this out. What mattered more in your career? Winning or losing? Losing.

1:01:41Danica Patrick:I mean, like that hurt a lot more. But also like winning was the evidence of the effort, right? So maybe it's a hard question to answer. What mattered more? What did I think about more? You choose. I mean, I thought about winning and success more, but I feared failure more. Yeah, I feared failure more than I enjoyed winning.

1:02:06Gabrielle Lyon:Was there one belief about yourself that you had to dismantle? I said rapid fire questions. This is terrible. Yeah, these are very deep questions.

1:02:17Danica Patrick:I would say, I like the color red. No. I would say that, you know, learning that the fact that it's just because someone's job doesn't mean they do it well. Like realizing that your destiny was contingent on you, right? Like just and just because someone did something doesn't mean they did it well. So maybe that's not like the most humble answer, but like not everyone's great at what they do. So sometimes you have to do it yourself. If someone wanted to increase mental toughness, what is the one uncomfortable habit that you

1:02:53Gabrielle Lyon:would have them develop?

1:02:55Danica Patrick:I think the simplest and easiest thing to do is work out. That's it. I think you are creating discipline. Sometimes it creates discipline at night. You're like, oh, I can't go out partying. I have to go to the gym, right? So it's discipline from a practical standpoint of lifestyle. It's discipline from getting up when you don't always want to get up. its discipline to get out and go do it and be uncomfortable like maybe you're not in the mood maybe you're tired and then within the practice itself you find new limits so you really you gain confidence and when I wrote my second book called pretty intense and had a workout program in it I did a trial group with the workout program as well and vetted out the whole thing and and finalized sort of like the the exact thing protocol call by going through a whole trial group and um and uh what was so beautiful is how much confidence spilled out from just doing the workout program into all areas of their life so like i think mental toughness that there that takes a lot of mental toughness to do that and then you get a lot of confidence and scope as well and range really helps your range as a human

1:04:01Gabrielle Lyon:leveraging the body as a tool in is the ultimate self-mastery yeah it's the ultimate and it reminds you that you have to prioritize yourself.

1:04:10Danica Patrick:I think that some people can be a real martyr for the whole like, oh, it's selfish to be. Really?

1:04:15Gabrielle Lyon:Really?

1:04:16Danica Patrick:It's not.

1:04:17Gabrielle Lyon:Or is it that your way out? Is it Cheetos on the sofa? Just asking for a fact. Or an excuse. Or are you looking for an excuse?

1:04:23Danica Patrick:Make it work. Make it work and teach the people around you, whether it's your family or your kids or your partner, what it means to take care of yourself and have a little bit of self-love and

1:04:33Gabrielle Lyon:self-respect. The best way to teach is to be an example. Exactly. And Danica Patrick, my sister and my friend, it is a privilege. It is a deep privilege to know you. Thank you so much for your time. Same sister.