How OpenAI Is Helping People Take Control of Their Health | Fidji Simo

25:10And so that was the impetus behind ChatGPT Health. And my own experience certainly influenced that because I was already really primed to think about how we remove silos and how the defragmentation of information could lead to much better insights. The other thing that was interesting in my mind is like, you know, as you know better than anyone, healthcare is really sick care. it's like you go there when you're sick, whereas really what we need is preventative health. But preventative health, when doctors only have 15 minutes for you, is not going to happen that way. Whereas with chat GPT, you can have literally a health coach in relationship with you every day telling you like, okay, this is how you slept yesterday based on the data on your co-waring.

25:58Today, you should do this kind of exercise. You should eat this kind of food. And then tomorrow will reassess again. And like having that kind of assistant to really help you with your health every day, not just when you're sick, not just when you're seeing the doctor, that's really what gives me hope that we could get to the root of chronic illness because so much of it is lifestyle related. Yeah. And I think you just hit on something super important is that most of medicine is focused on disease and on treating disease. And yes, there is prevention, which is, you know, mammograms and colonoscopies and checking your cholesterol and PSA and getting a bone density.

26:35And that's all important. That's all important. That's how we typically think of prevention in medicine, you know, take your stat and take your aspirin and that's okay. But, but that's, that's not true prevention. That may be early detection. And, and also it's not about creating health. And so what I think for the first time we're really beginning to understand is what is health. I mean, I never got a class in medical school that said, here's how to create health, creating health 101 for doctors, like didn't exist. You know, no clue. If you go to your doctor, say doc, you know, I'm okay. I don't have a disease, but I want to be like really healthy.

27:10Like, what do I do? They go, well, eat better, exercise, get enough sleep. Don't be too stressed. Like it's very platitudinous and not very specific and it's not personalized. But now we're, we're having, you know, precision health, precision nutrition, precision medicine in a way that we've never had before. And it really allows us through depersonalization, which can only be done through something like AI and through understanding the science of health, not just what is the science of disease, but what is the science of health? What is a healthy human? Even defining that, we haven't never defined that.

27:41It's crazy. You know, like you put your car into the computer at the auto shop and it reads a thousand different metrics and tells you what's a little bit off of here. I mean, if your HRV goes down by 10 points one night, it's not a disease, but it's giving you a clue that you're not exactly where you should be, right? So that's what's so exciting to me is we're going to be able to help people understand not just to treat disease or prevent disease, but how do we actually create health? And that's where this becomes really, really exciting for me. I'm wondering how you see Chatshubi Health working along partners like Function and collaborating and integrating with them.

28:18Well, I think partners are absolutely critical because the whole point, as I was saying, was like having one place where all of these different parts of your health can be connected into so that we can see the full picture. And right now, you know, we like rely on partners to be able to do that because everyone has kind of a different lens. Like you go to Apple Health and you're going to get a lot of the, you know, lifestyle data. You go to function and you're going to get a lot of like the biomarkers. Health records are going to tell you a different story. So to me, it's really about like Like, how can we partner with as many players as possible so that the end user has a full picture of their health across many different sensors, many different biomarkers?

29:01And that way we can do the best job possible at helping them personalize everything for, you know, their lifestyle. So that's super important for us. And then there's also a type of partner that's more about being able to take action. You know, we're in partnership with Instacart and I was the CEO of Instacart before coming to OpenAI. And that's a good example of like, you know, nutrition is so much at the heart of health. You know, it's funny that I'm telling you that you're the utmost expert at it. But it's really hard for people to take action on nutrition advice. Usually, even if you go to a nutritionist, which very few people have the resources to do, you end up with like a piece of paper, you put it in the drawer, you never look at it again.

29:47And what one is like, can we make it actionable? So with a partner like Instacart, you can go from, okay, this is what you should be eating to like in one tap, order that and it's at your door in an hour. And like, that's a magical closing of the loop where you really start with to your point, what is else and how do we help you get there? And then all the way to actions that you can take in like as easy a way as possible to be able to stick to this new routine. I think that's so important. You know, like you're right. I mean, in getting people all the way down the pathway, not just understanding what's going on, it's just having an assessment of what their disturbances are in their health or simple things they can do.

30:26But how do you take it into action and how do you kind of close the loop? And, you know, I know Instacart is working on medically tailored meals, for example, and, you know, food is medicine initiatives, which is amazing. Right. But most people wouldn't know how to do that. I mean, we can tell through Function Health you have diabetes, but then it would say, you know, we want you to eat a diet that's low glycemic, higher and good quality fats, lots of fiber, good quality protein. And then what? Like, then they will turn that into a menu plan for a week and then go to Instacart and go shopping for me and deliver it to my door and show me the recipes on how to make them by video.

31:04And like, all that's coming really soon or if it's not already possible. The Instacart app in ChatGPT already allows you to do that. it's really magical like you can literally just say i have a family of three these are health condition develop a menu plan for us and then buy all the ingredients in one tap and to me like that was always my dream of removing friction as much as possible so that being healthy isn't also overwhelming it just feels easy and and i think we finally have the tools to get there yeah it's pretty exciting i'm like thrilled about it and i think that that the food is medicine part is important.

31:39You know, you grew up in a little village in France. You said you need a passport to get to the next village because it was so remote and isolated. And it's this little fishing village in the South of France. And food is such a part of French culture. And, you know, the freshness of it, the realness of it, the deliciousness of it. It's not just a convenience. It's also centered around connection and family and friends and social connections and, you know, all this shifting as people start to understand the relationships between their health and food. And, you know, I mean, you know, when you go to the doctor, they don't tell you to do anything about nutrition.

32:19You know, I've been trying to work on changing medical education by getting nutrition exams, questions that have a nutrition focus that's based on chronic disease. And yeah, so doctors are really challenged and this makes it easy. Less than 20 hours of medical school spent on nutrition, which is crazy when you realize that, like, I think something like 80 % of chronic illness as a diet component. It's like, it was crazy. So, yeah, I totally agree. And yes, growing up in France, you know, food was sacred. Like, it was at the center of everything. And here I think it's more considered like sustenance, right?

32:57and uh and i think re-establishing the relationship that people are with food is really important you know function week we kind of help you sort through the massive mess of data i think the function app within that's integrated into chat gpt will help people understand their data in a broad level and help guide them on action plans i've been playing with it it's pretty amazing uh and integrating that with like all the tools to be able to kind of execute on the recommendations whether it's what supplement to buy or what food to eat or what what things going to help you what drug could help you it's it's going to be pretty profound it's a really important advance and it hadn't existed before and i'm really glad to see you started there because it is like you said something people are using every day i mean people are i don't google a billion searches on health every day and and and now chad gpt in some ways is replacing google i don't i don't know if i last time i used google honestly so i hate to admit that because my friend is one of the founders to that but um it's it's it's a it's a really exciting moment i'm very curious to hear your vision of uh if you had a crystal ball where you see you know this movement between ai and health intersection going in like one year three years five years because even in the couple of years that we've had chat gpt and ai that's accessible as a consumer facing product which i learned was not even meant to really succeed at all it just took off you know as an accident it was kind of like a side thing where do you see you know this going because it's just even in the few years that it's been happening it's accelerated so fast and i and i wonder from the perspective of health care from individual self-care from research like what are the areas you see us us being able to really accelerate human evolution we've talked a lot about like what's going to happen on the consumer side and i think ultimately it's really about empowerment we're going to empower people with health information they're going to be able to make better decisions about their health and just have a lot more data to optimize their health.

34:55So I think this is going to be reflected directly into health outcomes. We haven't talked as much about the provider side, but we're also really invested here. We just launched OpenAI for Healthcare with a ton of great institutions like UCSF, Post-On Children, Sends for Children, HCA, where these institutions are deploying chat GPT world to all for their doctors to be able to assist them in clinical decision making, to be able to reduce administrative load. And so we're really thinking of it as like equipping both sides so that doctors can be more informed because to your point, they cannot read the thousands of studies that come out every week.

35:36They can be more informed. They can make better decisions because they can look at the full picture of the patient. And then when they meet with the patient, the patient is also better informed about their health, and that creates a much better dialogue between a doctor and patient. So that's really the end state. And then beyond that, I think the thing that gets me very excited is that I think we're finally getting at a level of intelligence of our models that can really find novel insights and novel science. So when I look at, you know, all of the diseases that have not yet been cured, I hate calling them incurable, because I believe that it's just a matter of time.

36:14I really think that the models are getting smart enough. That's the timeframe from kind of identifying a condition all the way to having a drug ready for it. All of these steps are going to be reduced by AI. We're going to identify drug targets way faster. We're going to develop these drugs way faster. We're going to get them through regulatory approval, which, as you know, takes forever right now, much faster. And by using AI at every level. And so that's why, you know, I think when a couple of years ago we were talking about curing all diseases in our lifetimes, that sounded a little bit like science fiction.

36:49I actually think that we're closer than ever, as long as we can, you know, update all of our pretty outdated processes and regulatory framework to this new world that would allow us to massively accelerate the pace at which scientific discovery happens. I think you're so right about that. I think it's going to accelerate the development of drugs and of discovery in so many ways. But I also think it's going to do something else. And I don't know if you've thought about this, but I'm hoping you have, because your company, Chronicle Bio, which is related to help people solve these, quote, incurable diseases like chronic fatigue and Pott syndrome and many, many other conditions that are chronic and often intractable.

37:36I think what's going to happen is going to be acceleration of medical understanding, not just about how to develop better drugs, but about root causes, about mechanisms, about novel therapeutics that involve food as medicine, that involve other therapies that are kind of outside traditional medicine that could accelerate healing, that are being applied across different things like, you know, novel therapies, for example, like plasmapheresis that's being used for autoimmunity, that's being used for long COVID, that's, you know, that is still sort of on the margins as part of traditional medicine.

38:06but it hasn't been used for that. So there's a lot of things that I think are going to happen that are both accelerating the way we do medicine already faster and better, which is important, but also to kind of emerge a new paradigm of medicine where we can actually understand the body's a network, where even if you get better at each specialty, the body still isn't organized like a bunch of parts. It's a system. And that's what's so exciting to me about the use of this technology and AI to help understand these massive data sets, look at patterns, discover things that never were seen before, understand this.

38:41And I know that's doing this for 30 years. Like I collect massive data sets on people compared to the average doctor. I mean, I look at everything you possibly think of looking at. And I sort that through my own little brain here, which can only hold so much. But I know I've seen patterns in the data that nobody's ever described before. For example, I know when someone comes in, they have a heavy metal toxicity. First of all, most doctors don't look for it. but when they do i i see they have methylation problems they have low glutathione they have low zinc they have lots of oxidative stress they have low amino acids they have a whole series of patterns that that i've never seen written up in a book or a paper before and i'm like oh this is interesting you know and i and i you know i see this with autistic kids too there's all these genetic variables and all these different metabolic changes and they're not being described widely because doctors aren't looking for them and and there's a there's a joke i often tell and I'm giving lectures about this guy who drops his keys on the street.

39:37His friend comes by and he sees him looking under this lamppost. And he's like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm looking for my keys. He said, well, where did you lose them? He said, well, I lost them down the street. He said, well, why are you looking over here? He says, well, the light's better over here. So we tend to look where we can find things easily, but not where the problem is. And I think the root cause approach to medicine, the systems approach, people like Leroy Hood, who's doing the Phenome Health Project, they're thinking like this. They're thinking about this new paradigm. And I think that's where there's going to be a whole acceleration because, yes, we want to do all things to get better drugs and better discovery and so forth.

40:11But I think the biggest flip is going to be really changing the actual medicine we're doing and helping people create health and dealing with these chronic conditions that are, quote, incurable. In fact, it's funny you said that because I'm launching a new feature on my podcast called The Incurables. And it's for people like you who've been through the healthcare system, who've tried everything, who've done everything. And who were told there's nothing to do except take this drug and maybe it'll help your symptoms, but you're going to have to live with it forever. And the truth is you don't. If you understand how to solve the puzzle, you can actually help people get better.

40:42And that's the beauty of this. I think the problem we have, right, is that because we don't have the data, we are not able to sub-segment like the people with these conditions so that we can find the exact thing that works for them. You mentioned my company, Chronicle Bio. Like that was the impetus behind it. we realize we're not going to find cures for long COVID overall because long COVID is probably 20 biological processes under that or a cure for blood. And so what we decided to do was actually create the company that partners with clinics to get biological data from patients and analyze everything on the samples, genetics, multiomics, proteome, metabolome, etc.

41:23so that we can actually sub-segment those populations. And I think that's really the promise of big data plus AI that's going to allow us to find those sub-segments of population and be able to do better by them. I'll tell you a story. At some point throughout my journey of trying to fix the problem, I opened up a clinic for these conditions, and we were running clinical trials, and we were running a particular drug for long COVID, And we had people that went from completely bedridden to completely functional. But the clinical trial failed in absolute. And the reason is there wasn't enough segmentation of the patients to realize, okay, on those, it's going to be miraculous.

42:09And on all of those, it's not going to work. And so they killed the program. And now we had patients in tears saying, this drug would save my life and it's not available. And to me, that's the greatest strategy. So if we can have the right data, so we identify the right population of patients, the right treatments for them, and then that can accelerate clinical trial approvals for these subconditions, I think that's the holy grail and that's where AI is going to really shine. A hundred percent. That's why I said earlier about in my first book where I said, you know, just because you know the name of your disease, it doesn't mean you know what's wrong with you.

42:42It's just a label. And that label could represent 10 or 15 different problems. And, you know, autism isn't one thing. Alzheimer's isn't one thing. You know, POTS isn't one thing. Chronic fatigue isn't one thing. It could be caused by Lyme disease or by mold toxicity or by mercury or by some type of microbiome issue or by some other weird infection that you don't know of or long COVID and all these things, but you have to be able to figure that out. And given our current way of seeing things and thinking about things, we have a thinking problem in medicine. And that's really where we're going to be able to think differently with the use of these tools in a way that we never did before.

43:21And it's not going to come, I don't think it's going to come from inside healthcare. I think it's going to come from outside healthcare. And basically companies like OpenAI are going to be driving change from the outside in. And companies like Function are going to be driving change from the outside in where we're, I mean, think about it, like where, where could you get massive data sets on your human biology before without spending a fortune, without having to go through your insurance company, like function has unlocked that. There's just, people are desperate because they're not getting the answers from the healthcare system.

43:50I'm very excited about this for, for individual empowerment. And we say, you know, our goal is to help you be the CEO of your own health, right? We, we also say, you know, we want people to help people live a hundred healthy years. I would also add to that. We want people to feel a hundred percent because, you know, living 100 healthy years is great, but if you feel crappy now, like, you know, we want people to get there faster. And also, like, I just think this is a moment in time where access is going to change dramatically. I mean, function is a way to give access at a low price point to things that were reserved for the elite before.

44:23ChatGPT does something similar of giving you access to great medical information. And one thing that was striking for me that seven out of 10 of the queries, health queries in chat GPT are actually happening after hours. And so that tells you, you know, like there is demand to have answers about your health at times where the healthcare system isn't even available to you at all. We are also seeing a lot of demand in rural areas where, you know, the hospital, like many miles out. And so there is like this, you know, direct access to health information that I think is going to really democratize just, you know, health knowledge in general.

45:03I think you're right. And I think, you know, as we understand the science of creating health, you know, we're going to be able to help people even without health care, because most of health doesn't happen in the doctor's office. And so we will guide people in ways where we can make it much more accessible, affordable. And I'm thinking about function in a way that is going to help people all around the world by the things that it learns. and if you're in serial loan somewhere and you have some condition, you're going to benefit from all the insights so that somebody who maybe can't get a lab test, we can infer what's going on from the patterns and the data that they're sharing.

45:37And it's kind of an exciting thing because all of a sudden it's going to democratize healthcare, decentralize healthcare, make it really affordable or often free for people. And I think there's a free version of ChatGPT, right? Absolutely. Is there? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's what I'm imagining. And people will be able to query their data and learn from the world's sort of best knowledge sources and insights from the best doctors. And Chad GPT Health, which we've been talking about, is available in the free tier. So the goal is really to make it as accessible to everyone as possible. Oh, that's amazing.

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48:35I want to ask you how I get off the wait list.

48:41I click. I want to get on the wait list. I want to try it more. But I tried the integration with Function, which is very cool. And I was like, well, this is amazing. And it gives you a lot of deep insights. And I want to ask you a little bit more about Chronicle Bio, because this is a passion project. It's not like, you know, you're not busy. You're at OpenAI. You, you know, CEO of Instacart. You're on the, you know, chairman of the board of Instacart. You were at Facebook for a decade. You, you know, had another nonprofit or something company. You have, you know, now you start another company.

49:10Like, I don't know what you do. How do you do if you sleep? I know you have a daughter and a family. I know why you started it. Tell us more about how you're thinking about it. And you mentioned a little bit about the data sets you're collecting, but who's guiding you? How are you thinking about these conditions? And what are you hoping to kind of discover? I think for me, it was really seeing this moment in time where the models were becoming so much more powerful, but the data sets weren't fully there yet, right? Like on these conditions like long COVID, MECF, which are still considered somewhat mysterious.

49:46If you look at what has been done, a lot of studies are like with 100 patients and maybe just looking at genetics, another 60 patients somewhere else looking at, you know, maybe gut microbiome. But no one was creating what I call almost the infrastructure of the disease, which is really like looking at tens of thousands of clients and really having the full data set on all of them. And that's, you know, that's because that requires some funding and that requires infrastructure, partnering with all the clinics, making sure they collect data consistently. I mean, it's a real engine that we're building.

50:22But once we have that, we're going to be able to get to cure so much faster. Because when I got sick, I went and I talked to a lot of my biotech and pharma CEO friends because I was telling them, like, it's not as if these conditions I have are rare. Like, we're talking hundreds of millions of patients all combined. And so I was like, it's a huge market. Why are you not developing, like, cures for these conditions? And, I mean, we don't even have any cures in the pipeline. Like, you know, they're not being, like, really prioritized. And the answer was simple. It's like the CEOs were saying, we don't understand these diseases.

51:00We don't understand the different subtypes. We don't understand biologically how they function. So it's still too risky for us to invest in these conditions until someone has really established what are the subgroups, how do these diseases work, what are the real drug targets. And so I think we're really at the moment where if, thanks to Chronicle Bio, we get all of this data combined with all of the great models coming out of OpenAI and labs like that, we're going to be able to all of a sudden find totally novel insights. And we're already seeing it. You know, we had some publications around findings, like tens of genes that correlate with your likelihood of developing these conditions, which in the past you couldn't really do.

51:45You could do just kind of one gene directly responsible, but gene combinations was still very complicated to establish. Now we can figure that out. We are planning on overlaying that with like why viruses are a big trigger for these conditions. What happens to your immune system during these moments that lead to you not recovering? Also, why are these conditions affecting 80 percent, like 80 percent of patients are women and only 20 percent are men? We should have an answer to that. That seems pretty extreme. Like we should know why women are more affected. And the reality is that we don't have answers to this question because, again, the healthcare system has looked at the symptoms and putting Band-Aid on the symptoms instead of the root biology.

52:30And I think the only way is to do the hard work of collecting that data, that true biological data, and then using AI to find novel insights on top of it. I think you're right. And I think, you know, that's going to accelerate discovery. not just around those things, but even things like autoimmune diseases and even chronic diseases in general, because they're all sort of the same. And, you know, there aren't that many causes for disease. There's many diseases and each disease may have multiple causes and need multiple treatments. And I think, you know, the promise of network medicine is understanding the multi-causal nature of disease and the need for multimodal treatments, meaning it's not just one thing.

53:11It's not like a single drug for a single disease. you know like we learned with louis pasteur and the bacteria that cause pneumonia that treat with penicillin we've followed that paradigm for the last hundred plus years and it's great for infectious disease sometimes not always so it's not just the bacteria or the virus it's the host that matters too uh and and actually it was claude bernard another frenchman who uh who had an argument with pasteur saying it's the biological terrain that matters not the bacteria not the pathogen and pasteur on his deathbed goes yeah i think you're kind of right you know so i think the biological brain matters a lot and i think when i said what is what is health uh it's really about understanding how to create a healthy soil you know traditional medicines like industrial agriculture we pour chemicals on the plants and the soil to try to make it do stuff uh which is like using pharma which can be helpful but it's it's rather than asking how do we create a healthy soil where disease can't grow and and how do you create health and when you do that disease often goes away as a side effect when you remove the impediments to health and you add in the ingredients for health the body often knows what to do to repair and that's that's a lot of i think where the solutions are going to be coming from that you're looking for is is not just one thing or one drug or one pathway but really understand the complexity which only can be done through big data and ai and understanding things through this new lens and you know if i were to say to you like what are the laws of biology you know you might say well maybe evolution but there wouldn't be a set of laws that you could say here's the laws of human biology and human disease we don't have that we have that for physics you could say i know the laws of physics thermodynamics and gravity and this and that the other thing um i mean i learned that you know in uh in uh college i forget a lot but i know they exist uh but biology we haven't actually described them it mean they're not there you know what's the nature of nature that's really the question we're asking and and we're going to unlock that now with ai and in in systems network functional medicine whatever you want to call it that's what we've done it's really tried to understand what are the fundamental systems in the body that can explain everything and you know we talked about the microbiome the immune system the mitochondria energy system the detoxification system your circulatory transport system your communication system which is hormones neurotransmitters peptides cytokines everything and your structural system and how those are influenced by external factors you know genetics and toxins and allergens and microbes and microbiome and stress and diet and then all the things you need to thrive you know the right food and nutrients like you said you need special forms of nutrients for you fiji that somebody else doesn't necessarily need you know what's the right amount of exercise and sleep and and in light and clean water and connection and love and meaning purpose these are all the ingredients for health so when we understand this paradigm, we have the equations, so to speak, the laws of nature on how to solve this.

56:07I mean, the French actually were pretty good. Like Pierre Laplace, another French guy, he also said the same thing. He said, you know, we can explain an enormous number of observable phenomena by a small number of general laws. And we have 155 ,000 diseases in our ICD-10 classification of disease system that we have in medicine. It's crazy. Like we don't have 155 ,000 know, 155 ,000 diseases, we have a few simple laws that explain all of them, right? And inflammation is a big thing. The microbiome is a big thing. You know, the role of toxins is a big thing. The role of microbes is a big thing.

56:41So we can start to understand things through a new set of lenses and see different things. Like when you, you know, like I was at this party this weekend in South Africa at a wedding and they had astronomers and they had this incredible telescope that looked at the Orion Nebula and it was like taking this pictures every like four seconds or something. And I was like, you get to see stuff where I can see Jupiter and the rings on Jupiter and the moon. So all of a sudden, you, you know, you look with a certain set of lenses, you can only see certain things. You look with another set of lenses, you can see something else.

57:09So what's happening now with technology and AI and what you're doing with chat, GBD health and function is, is actually going to put on different set of lenses and see what we need to see. And Chronicle Bio, I'd love to offline talk to you more about this because I have a lot of thoughts about it. And I think, It could be really interesting to have a conversation at some point. And I can so relate to what you're saying. For example, in my case, I have both endometriosis, which is considered a reproductive health problem. It's also autoimmune. Neurological. But apparently, you're seven times more likely to develop endometriosis when you have POTS and vice versa.

57:45And so in the medical, current medical language, these are two totally different diseases. You look at the statistics, it's like, clearly there's a correlation. That's probably inflammation. That's probably immune-related. But we haven't gotten to this level of understanding. So that's the thing that I think is going to be really magical in the next year. It's getting to those root causes. That's what I spend my whole life doing. So as we sort of think about what's important to get right, and as we're thinking about the intersection of health and technology and how people live their lives going forward, what is what keeps you up at night?

58:18What are the things we have to get right as we go forward in this new era of health and technology? First off, you touched on it, but trust is really important. If users develop trust in the technology and know that the technology has their back and is helping them lead a better life, I think that's already a big part of the problem. And that's why we focus so much on privacy, encryption, all of the things that we put in place. Because if you don't have that at the start and users don't trust that technology is going to do what's the right thing for them, you can't do anything else. So I think it's like step number one.

58:56And then from there, it's like, how do you add utility? And I think the advantage of a tool like ChatGPT that's so general is that it helps you with every part of your life. So you naturally reach for it when you have a health question. A lot of people don't think of it as a health tool. They just think of it as an assistant. And then they ask the health question and they realize, oh, wow, that's like really helpful. I'm going to put a lot of my health information there so that I can get more out of it. And so really like demonstrating utility, both for patients and for doctors is going to be really important.

59:28And then I also think, you know, there is a like general perception which we need to address. I think AI is going to be incredibly helpful for doctors. And you see some doctors really embracing AI in a big way. You also see some resistance and some tension being like, oof, is that going to get in the way of the doctor-patient relationship, et cetera. And so if we can really show the healthcare system what they have to gain from being ahead on embracing technology and having that as a big differentiator to improve patient care and also to improve burnout for doctors, because we shouldn't forget that there's a massive burnout epidemic of doctors.

1:00:11And if we can give them the tools so they can give even better patient care with less burnout, less administrative burden, we're going to lift the entire system up. So my hope is actually that people on all sides embrace technology as an ally and that the responsibility is on us, technology builder, to build it in a way that is responsible to really address their needs. It's going to solve a lot of problems. The physician burnout thing is real. I mean, I know I do a different kind of medicine and it takes me two or three hours to properly prepare the data from a medical history, from their previous results, from their lab data, and organize it so that I can be ready to look at it, to make a decision about it.

1:00:55And then I can think about it and I can use my license and my 40 years of medical training and experience to actually think as opposed to be just organizing like a paper pusher. And it's, it's kind of, it's made my life so much easier as a practicing physician, which, which, which is, it's just so easy. And I think it allows, it's going to allow better patient care, better connection, more stream-like efficiency. But, but more importantly, I think it's going to, it's going to shift the paradigm to where we're really going to, you know, unlock a lot of understanding of human biology and, and, and so much suffering for people like you and for people like me who had to deal with stuff that didn't have answers.

1:01:33You know, I've, I've had so many things i even had c diff like you which was no fun yeah no it's no fun so going forward a year from now where do you hope uh chat gpt health will be i think uh we will likely be even more of a connector between all of the different aspects of your health and be able to help you take action on your health even uh in a more easy way i'm very excited to have chat gpt health also become proactive. So like right now you go to chat GPT, you have to be the one kind of typing a question and getting an answer. I think once we have all of this knowledge about you, we can proactively tell you every morning, like, Hey, this is what you should do to optimize your health.

1:02:17And that level of proactivity, I think will really enlighten a lot of people who want to like do more for their health, but don't know where to start. So having that as a proactive agents that has your back, that knows everything about all of the aspects of your health and help you take action in the real world will be very helpful. And then if the same happens on the kind of healthcare side, you can imagine these tools really coming together and like the future appointment between a patient and a doctor being both more efficient, but also much more focused on the right issues because everyone will have been briefed ahead of time, have the right data and the conversation can really focus on how to make that person better instead of a doctor staring at the screen, typing away administrative stuff for the, you know, 14 out of 15 minutes with a patient.

1:03:06So we really hope that it can really help improve that relationship as well. So it sounds like three big areas, you know, let's say health consumer or patient empowerment around their own health information data, helping streamline healthcare itself and how healthcare providers interact with people, and accelerating research. And I think there's one area I think that it's worth doubling down on, which is individual empowerment and how that requires your own personal health data set. You know, I've had the rare privilege of working in environments where I could collect large data sets on everybody.

1:03:42I could do their whole genome sequence. I could do their microbiome. I could do their toxin levels. I could do all the hormones and nutrition, all the stuff I said, and spend three hours with them and talk about it all and understand it all. that's still sort of rare for people but now with with function we're able to to begin to help you collect your own data set because the the the output of uh chachi p health is only going to be as good as the data it has on you as an individual like you you fiji put in all your stuff from everywhere into chachi pd right but but it was hard to get all that information and the health care system, you know, isn't so great at helping you figure these things out.

1:04:23Like, why do you want to do this test? Like, you know, like, why do you want to do that test? Or the insurance isn't going to pay for this or, but imagine if the individual now can bypass that and collect their own data sets from everywhere, from their wearables, from omics, from their microbiome, from lab data, from imaging, from their medical records, and all that goes into the system, then it becomes so much more valuable. And that's why I love the integration with Function Health and chat GPT health, because it's unlocking something that was never before possible in human history. Yeah, I totally agree.

1:04:56And I agree with the better the sources of information, the better the advice we're going to be able to give. I totally agree with your point on tests. One of the recommendations from chat GPT was actually looking at my health records and saying, hey, you're still missing these two or three tests that would paint a complete picture. and I asked my doctor and she was like, oh, yeah, actually we should order that. And so I think having that complete picture is going to be super important. And any companies that can help us, you know, aggregate that will be very helpful. Well, I'm excited, excited for this and excited for our integration and working together and thinking about how to really end all the suffering that people are struggling with.

1:05:37That honestly, given our knowledge that we have in the world now around how to create health, most people don't have to suffer from that. And that's kind of my mission in life is end needless suffering for billions of people. I share the hope. Yeah, I think you do. Obviously, with Chronicle Bio, it's clearly something you're not just talking about. You're doing, in addition to the work you're doing at OpenAI, I just hope you take care of yourself and make sure you stay in good health because we need you. Thanks, Mark. I will. Thank you so much for having me. This was great. My pleasure. Maybe one day we can have octopus pie in your town of Sete in France.

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