Dave Asprey Reveals the New Frontier of Biohacking

25:25and I was talking with a woman who's just stuck on something, something relationally, and she mentioned that she did a lot of energy work and healing and all that, and she's a powerful executive too, and I said, well, okay, you're from a culture where women don't get divorced, and you've been divorced. Your mom was divorced. Your grandmother was divorced in a culture where divorce is something that no one would ever do, so you become a pariah that way. like have you ever thought about healing your grandmother even though she's passed and the second i said that she started crying and that's a lineage problem it's been stuck i don't know if it's dna but probably and the third thing is i've had people say i cannot tell you why i don't believe in past lives but now that i'm sitting down and i'm in these altered states from the practices here with no drugs or anything like that i'm just feeling like i gotta let go of something that's maybe not mine, that's maybe from some other life.

26:21I don't judge any of that. And frankly, if I believe that my past life was as a potato and I'm going to go mash myself as a healing, I don't care. As long as I am no longer triggered by something, I'll do anything on earth, but I've never had a past life as a potato and neither is anyone I know. And Ed, I have had direct interactions with God, with a capital G, and it's an incredibly powerful experience that's hard to talk about. So in my universe, people can experience all of those things. And at the end of the day, it's I am that I am. And depending on which specific form of Christian religion we're talking about, you know, I'm one with Jesus who is the son of God.

27:05So, okay, does that mean you are one with God? Well, I think that's what they're all saying, even though there's been wars over interpretation of the words there. So I don't want to start a war. I'm just going to say that if you're one with all this, there's no reason that it couldn't include memories of past lives, whether or not they were real. And for people who are maybe not committed to a certain faith, the only logical belief that you can take, and I'm a computer science guy who used to be an atheist, is believe in past lives. The reason for it is it'll make you less fearful in this life.

27:41If you're wrong, you'll be dead and you won't know, or you'll go to heaven or hell or whatever, right no but if if you're right it's a reset button and you get to play the game again so if you're playing pac-man and you know at the end of pac-man you're dead it's going to be a really stressful game and if you know you can put another quarter in and play it again it's going to be fun so i'm going to pretend like i know that there's a past life just sort of the worry the way that i kind of view the book is that there's you're able to connect with god your ability to connect with your intuition, but there's these blocks.

28:13There could be your triggers. There could be past trauma. There could be your day-to-day pattern, the patterns that you're running. And a lot of my work has to do with triggers as well. And one of them, one of the frustrations I've had is, well, what if some of these triggers you're not even ever going to be aware of because they happened to your great grandfather, for example, right? Like you're unpacking the triggers that you could be unpacking triggers all your life. So I want to ask you about that, but also the forgiveness question. I got to tell you, as I travel more and more people know about the story that my dad was an alcoholic when I was growing up, so many people ask me, well, you were really fortunate.

28:49Your dad got sober so you could forgive him. And I want to be able to forgive my dad or my mom. Like it's, they're a grown adult and the anchor on their life is the lack of forgiveness of another human, whether it be their mom or their dad, their ex-wife, their ex-husband, whoever it might be. And their block, their trigger is this lack of forgiveness for somebody. I'd say it's the number one thing that comes at me in my work when I travel. What would you say is the role of forgiveness or compassion in this notion plugging in? Forgiveness is a performance enhancing drug, if you do it right. It sounds straightforward.

29:28Okay. And here's why. I mentioned those F words. Your body will process fear and then hunger and then desire and then community. It does this in order every single time. Well, since fear takes up the most energy and it comes first, forgiveness means that there's a part of you that's still afraid and it sucks energy from you all of the time, 24 hours a day. Every little thing in your life that you hold a grudge towards is a huge anchor you're dragging behind you. And it looks like it's just part of reality. Reality is supposed to be hard because I'm carrying this grudge, because my dad was mean to me, because I had a bad divorce, because whatever.

30:12And the reason that the executives come to 40 years of Zen and spend five days with my neuroscience team in pods with electrodes glued to their head and all this stuff is because they're going through and systematically running a forgiveness process to turn off triggers permanently. And what you and I have learned, what we've all learned, is the same thing that they'll teach you in a monastery. Well, notice the emotion flowing through you. Take a deep breath. Set the emotion aside. Decide how you're going to react. Dude, do you know how much work it is to have an angry thought about your ex-wife or somebody come through your head?

30:49Okay, I'm an adult. I can set that to the side, but it still costs me. And what I'm doing is I'm saying I'm going to turn off the alert. And if you look in your phone and, you know, imagine if you turn the alerts on for every single thing. You're trying to use your phone. It's like blah, blah, blah, all the time. So you could say, meditate on ignoring the alerts at the top of the screen and just focus on the email. You can do it. It just sucks. Well, they teach you to run life that way. I'm going to tell you, here's how to go into the system settings in your body. Here's how to turn off the alerts you don't want anymore so that you only get good data.

31:23And that good data is going to look a lot like intuition and love and forgiveness. And forgiveness is the track to do it. What we think though, is that forgiveness is looking someone in the eye and saying, I forgive you. That is not what forgiveness is. And then we think forgiveness is deciding to forgive someone. And that is not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is a deeply embodied altered state that you go into that has very little to do with your mind. It has everything to do with attenuating your nervous system. So when I run someone through the reset process and it is written out and heavily meditated step by step, there's eight steps in it.

31:58And it's a structured meditation. I like to do it with electrodes and help people, but I want everyone to be able to do this. And what you're doing is you're activating something in your heart. And when I'm measuring your brainwaves, I can tell whether you did it right or not, because brainwaves change very predictably. And they start to look more and more like advanced Zen meditators. And what forgiveness is, is you stop holding a grudge. You see everyone as a flawed human and you wish them well, no matter what they did bad to you. You don't have to ever tell anyone you forgave them. You don't ever have to talk to them again.

32:34And you don't have to say that what they did was okay. Forgiveness is simply becoming non-reactive to something that was still causing you pain. And ultimately, if you do that, you're free. And if you don't do that, you can be programmed. That person could get under your skin. Anyone else who acts like that person will get under your skin. So if you want to show up in the world for your community, for your family, for your business, for things you care about, for your mission, any trigger in your life that exists, your job is to write down what it is or when it happens and to relentlessly track it down and turn off the alert so that you won't be triggered by that anymore.

33:17And when that happens, maybe someone files a lawsuit that's not fair against your company, which happens to every entrepreneur these days. It doesn't matter what. Right. You can lose sleep and be angry. Or you could just be like, oh, my attorney's going to handle it. This is the cost of doing business. I got to go do things. You get pulled over. You get a ticket. Oh, my God. Or, you know, it would be a lot simpler if they just raise the gas tax by 20 cents. but they didn't do that. So now they're just extracting money on a random basis for motorists. Okay, I'm paying my driving tax today. It's all good.

33:52You know, maybe I can tip the cup. It doesn't matter, right? It's just what did your nervous system do and how long did you waste energy on it? Speaking of that, let's talk about the cost of not. So let's assume I did everything I've learned from you over the years. You know, I'm getting rid of my zombie cells. I'm doing all the work that Asprey's been telling me all these years, right? But I don't do any of this internal work. So let's assume on a scale of zero to 100, if I do all the hacks, I follow your work, I've got this particular peptide, this hydration, my zombie cells are gone, I got this oral health thing together, my gut health's cleaned up, so I'm at 100.

34:33How much does not doing this knock me down? In other words, let's say you think you could live to 100, and you tell me how long you think you can live and how much if you don't do this work will it cost you. Anyone who starts biohacking, you might come in for any reason, but eventually you're going to say, I have enough energy. I want to live a lot longer. So biohacking always means longevity. And now you're saying, I have energy. I'm going to live a lot longer. Do I want to be miserable and programmed by other people or do I want to be conscious and aware and in charge of myself? So biohacking is only, at the end of the day, when you distill all the stuff out, it's just about having energy, having longevity, and having power over your state, which is consciousness.

35:20You have to study it. Otherwise, if you're going to live to 180 and you spent the entire time angry at someone who was mean to you when you were 25 years old, what kind of a life is that? Who wants to live that long? You won't even have the desire to live that long. because resentment builds up over time and forgiveness cancels out resentment. So I look at meditation or doing forgiveness work. It's not about retreating. It's not even necessarily about letting go. It's an aggressive way to take control of your state. No one else on earth is in charge of my inner state other than me. I'm not going to let anyone who wronged me be in charge.

36:06I'm not going to let anyone who's trying to get to my little emotional holes, none of them can be in charge. I'm going to be in charge. So I know I'm going to take care of my family. I'm going to take care of my community. And you can't trick me. You can't fool me. My intuition guides me. So if you're saying all the right things, but I know something's wrong, I just know it. That's the state we all want to have. And it's possible. And you do that by training yourself to have less fear. And you do that through the reset process that's in heavily meditated. Is 180 the number for you, by the way?

36:37Is that what you really believe you live to? Yeah, it's a minimum of 180. And I wrote my big longevity book New York Times bestseller called Superhuman. And I went through the science in it. And a lot of the most recent longevity books are using the same framework as that book. And it's like, look, don't die of the big four things that'll kill you. And there's seven or eight things that are systems that need maintaining. 180 is a simple number. Our current best is 120, Ed. I want to do 50 % better than our current best. And I have 100 years to do it. I have AI, big data, PubMed. We can spell DNA.

37:11I have antibiotics. And the 120-year-old didn't have any of that stuff to live to 120. like i'm pretty sure we can do it maybe a comet will hit the planet you know maybe they'll invent some new virus worse than the last one they invented i don't know but other than those kinds of things i'm pretty sure that i'm not even being aggressive on it i i don't think that immortality is a thing i don't think that never dying is a thing but i do think that living as long as you choose is within our grasp right now and that you better get on a consciousness this bandwagon because if you decide to live for centuries and you're an angry bitter person who doesn't know how to forgive there's a name for that it's called hell living for hundreds of years being angry at everyone like how many cats would you have to own you guys i think i think that right there is one of the smartest things that's ever been said on the show you know that a lot of you are doing all the work on extending your duration on the planet, but almost none of the work on your bliss and joy while you're here.

38:18And both worlds converging is really what Dave's really talking about here. And I actually kind of think I'm talking to myself too. Sometimes when I, when I'm talking with all of you guys, it makes me really, really think the reason I like Dave's stuff too, is like, there's this side of it, which is, Hey, your eight step reset process, heart coherence and your brainwave states and measuring literally your healing but then there's also like do some hard stuff every single day too so there's like both sides of this there's like high functioning high performance too tell them give them give them the hack the bicep what what bicep means this because they can remember this this is easy to remember yes all right bicep is not this and now this is very oh it's my guns with a caffeine molecule tattoo they're not like your guns you know bursting out of your shirt there ed uh but i was really assy with them so bicep is brief intentional conscious exposure to pain and if you think about this monks back in the 14th century would whip themselves every morning and i was all pissed off when i was a teenager i heard about this like they thought they were such sinners like what kind of weirdos were they?

39:30No, that's not what they were doing. And then yogis would lay on a bed of nails. And oh, that's to show they have superpowers. Oh, that's why they're doing it. And then you look at some of the traditional indigenous things where there's the sun dancers, where they're piercing themselves and doing this. What? And then you look at more modern things like show me someone who's been an addict who doesn't have tattoos. It's so true. It's because tattoos hurt and intentionally exposing yourself to pain, not harming yourself, just pain, it re-regulates your nervous system so that it takes less dopamine to motivate you.

40:08So what do biohackers do? Well, we get in a cold plunge. And the title of the chapter in Heavily Meditated is called Go Spank Yourself. There's a reason some people need a good spanking, and it regulates their nervous system. I interview a somatic therapist who figured this out a long time ago for the book. Bottom line is, something that doesn't harm you, that gets your nervous system's attention. It's called pain. And just sitting with it, I used to make these spiky mats and made you go to sleep via this without knowing how it worked. You can buy a yoga spiky mat and stand on that. It just has to hurt a little bit.

40:42Eat a really hot pepper. And humans are drawn to these things, not because we're masochists, not because we hate ourselves, because when your brain shows the body, you can tolerate this and you're still safe. the body's like oh now you can be motivated to pray you can be motivated to meditate you can be motivated to eat the right foods motivated to go to work with less energy that's why brief intentional conscious exposure to pain is a really important biohack because if you want to be motivated to meditate then in the morning turn the shower on cold do that brief uncomfortable thing it doesn't have to be an hour-long miserable grind workout that's not what i'm talking about But do you think you have to switch it up?

41:25Here's what I found. I think that you adapt. And so that really difficult thing, like a cold plunge, for example, for me, six months later, and there's even studies that show this, my body began to adapt. It just really wasn't as difficult for me anymore. So do you mix, do you recommend switching the stimulus once it's not so difficult for you anymore? There's no studies that I found about this in particular. There's lots of studies showing about the dopamine effect here. I think the dopamine effect still happens when you get in and if you want to get this effect a 37 degree cold plunge that is a dopamine cold plunge and a 43 degree is a metabolic cold plunge it's still uncomfortable you still get some of the bicep but we can make it really suck and if it's still a problem for you suck on a habanero and get in there you'll be fine you guys may think this is one of these clips that I know someone will take and give Dave a little bit of crap for And I'm going to tell you something.

42:20He's actually right. I'm going to tell you right now. He's right. Doing a difficult thing every single day, it resets me. Next up is a little song from CarMax about selling a car your way. You want to sell those wheels. You want to get a CarMax instant offer. So fast. Want to take a sec to think about it. Or like a month. Want to keep tabs on that instant offer. With OfferWatch.

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43:41I'm just a high-strung, mind-wound-up, pattern thinker, thought stacker. I can thought stack with the best of them. Let me tell you what's happened for me, and then I want you to speak to it. Over time, I found, this is a strange term to use, but I was going to be candid with y 'all. I got higher than I used to get on life, meaning physical intimacy started to feel like it felt when I was 25, not 45, my laughter, like how hard I laughed when something was funny, was greater and bigger. I noticed little anecdotal things that over time I'm like, I think I'm getting way more dopamine now, or I'm feeling more of it anyway.

44:26Is that accurate at what I'm suggesting here? If you become somebody who meditates on a regular basis and does this clearing. Do you agree with that? You'll feel more dopamine and the power of your brain waves increases when you meditate or when you do the neurofeedback stuff that I walk people through. When I say power, your mind is making waves. They're electricity waves. And we can measure, well, how frequent are the waves rolling in? And that's a frequency. People have heard of alpha or delta or something like that, theta states. So this is how often are the waves. But what if you had a hundred foot tall wave rolling in every 10 seconds instead of a one foot wave rolling in every 10 seconds.

45:09So you've increased the power. And when you meditate or you do the reset process, you're increasing the orderliness of it. And it kind of, it kind of bums me out because people are saying, Oh, I got into an alpha state. Look at me. And alpha is a well-known brain state. Well, if you want to get an alpha state, you want to triple your alpha, close your eyes and look towards the middle of your forehead and most people will triple their alpha. It doesn't mean anything. It's like saying, look, I made a sound using the C note. Well, was it a beautiful sound? Did you sing a song? Was it great? So your mind is becoming more beautiful mathematically when you learn how to meditate.

45:53And what it feels like to you is it feels like joy. It feels like presence. It feels like consciousness. And then every time an old trigger comes in, a grudge pops up. It takes you out of that. It breaks the music. It reduces the height of the waves and it gets you stuck in. And since you're doing practices that make your dopamine, your receptors more sensitive to the dopamine your body makes. Now you've got more motivation. You've got more vibe and your mind knows to take that and turn it into something that's worth listening to. And this is why a longevity practice without a consciousness practice is almost a painful thing.

46:34And it's why if people come to the biohacking conference in Austin, May 28th, this will be our 13th year, Joe Dispenza is on stage. One of my shamanic teachers is on stage. Ryan Holiday is on stage and leaders in longevity because you can't do longevity. It's an eclectic group right there. They're all good friends, too. That's awesome, including you. That's awesome. I need to get to that. I want to talk about parasympathetic sympathetic states, not in any of my notes. Just wanted to come up with it. I want you to talk about that a little bit, your feelings about it. And do you do anything other than meditation to stimulate a parasympathetic state?

47:08Like, do you use any of these devices? I'm thinking of the thing you put, you know what I'm talking about, the thing you put on your vagal. Yeah. Do you do any of that? Do you believe in any of that? I absolutely do. In fact, Heavily Meditated is a book about here's all the things that either replace meditation or make meditation work better faster. Because what we used to do is just sit in a monastery or a cave for 20 or so years and you'll get it. But then you kind of had stuff to do. And we're all too busy for that. We have families and careers and reasons for being. so there's actually a chapter where i talk about vagal stimulation in the book there's parts where i talk about training the spacing of your heartbeat a lot of listeners see their morning readiness score on whatever sleep tracker you have that's based on the spacing of your heartbeats you can train that consciously and i actually became an advisor to the first company to make a device to do that in 2008 so before i go on stage before i go on a podcast i modulate the field around my heart.

48:11Now you can say, Dave, that's a bunch of BS. Guys, it's a magnetic field. You can pick it up with physics instruments. It's shaped like a torus. It's tilted eight degrees to the left and all humans make it. Some of us have a bigger one than others. So I structure mine so it's the way it should be, so that I am the way I should be. And this is all within our conscious abilities. And it just so happens to do that, you have to drop out of sympathetic. so one of the easiest ways to drop out of the fight or flight or fawn or freeze response is just breathing and i go through about eight different styles of breath work in the book some of which are for doing that and others aren't so meditation itself even there are many altered states we might want to go into and some of them are for the reset process for deep healing.

49:01Some of them are for journeying and intuiting and dreaming. Some of them are to calm the nervous system. And the most famous one to drop you into a parasympathetic state, if you're feeling anxious or wound up, is a box breath. And the military figured this out. Breathe in for four seconds, hold for four seconds, breathe out for four seconds, hold empty for four seconds, do it five or ten times. It turns out, that's great, you can step it up one if your out breath is twice as long as your in breath. So breathe in for four, breathe out for eight. That'll drop you in more quickly than a box breath.

49:37Try that before bed. There's another breath called an ujjayi breath that comes from yoga. And if you breathe in through your nose, almost like you're going to snore, you should run on the edge of a snore, and it should sound like a seashell in your ears. It's like,

49:56you're right on the edge when you're pulling up the back of your palate right on the edges feeling like you're going to go like you're snoring so when you do that man that will drop you and even faster so why would you meditate without knowing the type of breath that matches the meditation you're doing it means you're wasting time and there's one other thing ed that I think is really important to note. A lot of people, especially entrepreneurs, high-performance people like you and me, there's some shame around meditation. Number one, I should want to meditate and I don't want to meditate. Something must be wrong with me.

50:31Nothing's wrong with you. Your mind is designed to not waste energy and your mind thinks that meditation is a waste of energy. It's gonna make meditation look unattractive, just like going to the gym is unattractive. So don't worry about whether you feel motivated to meditate. The other thing is, until about 75, 80 years ago, 98 % of the population was involved in agriculture. And it's been that way for thousands of years. Well, the other 2 % of people, they're not farmers. They're warriors. And if there's a fire or an explosion, they run towards it and the farmers run away from it. Right? Which one of those are you?

51:12i'm the kind of guy's like well people probably need people probably need help i'm just gonna go there right and that means that if i try to do a meditation that's designed for farmers it's just going to be like valium it's not going to be pleasant it's not going to be a high performance state and i've had this some of the devices out there i have friends who love them like i can't do that it ruins my day right so i write about and heavily meditated i write about Zazen, which is a type of Japanese samurai meditation. It takes two to five minutes and you sit in a very specific pose and your eyes are open and you're focusing on like a coin or a speck on the carpet in front of you for two minutes with all of your attention.

51:57Okay. That's a warrior meditation. So if a meditation doesn't work for you, maybe it's because you suck at meditating and you need a teacher or you need neurofeedback. But once you get the state and And you're like, this state sucks. There's a possibility it's just the wrong state for your mind. And that's why looking at a thousand people's brainwaves, these high-performance people, they don't all have the same brains, not at all. So it's okay if it doesn't feel right for you after you've learned it, switch it up. And always use an accelerator. So in the book, I'm like, well, do the bicep thing.

52:34There's a chapter on psychedelics. and it says straight up the altered states of high performance and all high performance is an altered state all healing is an altered state all flow states all stuff you're doing in the bedroom it's all altered states for different outcomes um you don't need psychedelics to do it and some people are attracted to them so in the chapter like here's what they're doing to your brain here's the safest ones and here's the ones that have a higher risk and if you want to go down that path, please don't be the kind of influencer who says, I've done ayahuasca 87 times and, you know, maybe it'll work on the 88th time.

53:10And I've seen it wreck people. So I think ayahuasca is actually a dangerous substance without proper shamanic intervention. So that's very low on the list of things to do. We're like, if you're going to do it, find the right shaman. It's not the same as doing MDMA with a therapist, which is relatively safe. And I'm not recommending anyone do those things. I'm saying those are a path. The other state that no one talks about, 20 % of people report meeting God during sex, at least once in their life. Full-on transcendent experience. But their partner, unless you have an open communication, they're just laying there twitching.

53:49You can't tell. But they're having profound experiences. So why isn't intimacy in a way that's not about just getting some or porn or lust or any of that, that is an altered state. The tantric practices, even some ago conscious kink, the Taoist practices, these are equally worthy ways to enter states of healing or flow states or transcendence as psychedelics or rapid breath work or fasting in a cave. I don't care how you get there. I care that you do something that works for you, that's safe, that gets you to a state where you are more conscious, not just then, but permanently afterwards, like transformative experiences.

54:31The world needs these to just let go of the garbage we pick up from being human. You had two things I wanted to ask you about, but you hit them. So I'll finish with another question. The two things I was going to ask Dave about that isn't talked enough about in these altered states, one is sex and deep intimacy with another person or yourself during that process. And it is one of these states It's that it's the most under-discussed part of sex that should be something that is more mainstream in talking about getting into these altered states. And I'm glad that Wheatley's touched on it. And the other one was psychedelics.

55:05And just so that you all know, I'm an investor in a couple of different companies that promote psychedelics. But at the same time, I've had friends that have had PTSD, particularly some of my military buddies, transformative experiences. I've also had people have really bad trips and really bad experiences. And so I would just second what Dave said. Anything you're going to do like that, it needs to be with somebody that's very experienced if you're going to go up to that level. And by the way, more people have had experiences with some of these substances than you might think that have been on my show.

55:38What I want to ask you last about, by the way, it's another great conversation. I mean, every time you're on, I just enjoy it. It flies by. We're already over what I told you we were going to do. I've done a lot of work on this stuff, as you know. We've even been in the same place working on this together at one time.

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56:35But also HRV to you is that, I think you're going to tell me that's a really important thing to measure. And when I say low, bro, I mean like really bad. So I've been able to reduce my heart rate through meditation and get it to a much healthier place. But my HRV has not moved at all. Is there any, do you believe that's an important metric, number one? And if you do, anything you would share with me or the audience that you think can help raise it or improve it? heart rate variability measures how different is the spacing between each heartbeat and it's much more important than your heart rate so you can have 60 beats per minute and if they're all in the first 30 seconds and no heartbeats in the second 30 seconds it's still 60 beats a minute but you'd probably be dead or dying so it turns out how they're spaced out determines a huge amount about the state of your nervous system if your heart rate variability is low it means your heartbeat is very, very even, which is a sign of a stressed animal.

57:37And the number one way to increase heart rate variability is have dinner earlier, make sure that it is dark in the evening for sometimes an hour or two before bed. I raised mine very meaningfully with the TrueDark glasses. This is one of my companies. I look like Cyclops right now. I wear these glasses, my heart rate variability goes up sometimes 10, 20 points if I wear these for an hour before bed. It's called TrueDark. It's TrueDark.com. And these are glasses I designed, even filed patents on them about 10 years ago. When you see people wearing red glasses, they're copying these, but these are layered filters.

58:12And we're the only company ever to publish in a medical journal the effects on brainwaves of the TrueDark glasses, and they actually work. So I would look at doing that, look at lowering the temperature of your room, and earlier bedtime, earlier dinner can have profound effects and darkness will do it. And then if it's still happening and just nothing will shift it and you've done your nutrient testing and all, then you look for what's going on under any fillings or root canals. So chronic infections are a major cause when it won't go up. And I don't think you have breast implants. That's another cause sometimes.

58:54I had something I wanted to say about that really, but I won't because just someone close to me would not like it. Anyway, I'm going to work on that. And everybody, you ought to get your HRV measured. It'll tell you an awful lot about what state you're in. It'll tell you an awful lot about how long you're going to be here if you don't get it improved. You also, this is going to sound really annoying for you probably ed um one of my companies upgrade labs it's a franchise that does ai longevity biohacking stuff we've got 30 locations opening president of the company is the former coo of orange theory and equinox triathlete and i challenged him to do 30 days of measuring his morning heart rate variability instead of his time on training a mile which is really hard for him he's been just training his ass off all this time complete life transforming thing because he realized over training was keeping his heart rate variability low yeah that could be a deal for me yeah that could be a deal for me like 35 years worth of over training dude every time dave's on the time flies and he's so entertaining and this book is interesting to me because it's the other side of living a long time is living well, living in bliss, living in peace.

1:00:12And by the way, getting into these states will help you become 10 times more productive or at least nine times more productive than you currently are. So if you think going this direction is somehow going to slow down your productivity, it'll do the complete opposite and you'll have more energy and more bliss and more staying power for a longer duration if you do this internal work as well. So the book is heavily meditated. The author is Dave Asprey and you ought to get your hands on it. And this was a great conversation today, brother. Thank you. Ed, so much fun. Thanks for having me on. And guys, heavily meditated will pay for itself 10 ,000 times over if you do two things in there because of the amount of free energy it gives you every day.

1:00:54This is my most important book. I just couldn't have written it first because no one would have believed it. Well, hopefully they believe it now. And after this hour, they got a desire to go get it. Most of them probably grabbed it when we were halfway through thanks dave again it's great to be with you brother thanks ed god bless you everyone this is the ed mylin show