How A.I. Will Destroy Or Save Humanity w/ Mo Gawdat

31:13Nobody does that, right? What we do is we give the child the cylinder and the board, and the child tries to put it through the star-shaped hole. It doesn't work. Then tries again with the square. It doesn't work. And then tries with the circular hole, and it works, right? When it works, what do we do? We say, bravo, well done. We reward them. And so they learn their intelligence accordingly. That's the original way we've taught them. The reason why transformers started, which is the T in GPT, if you want, started to accelerate very quickly. It was, you know, a bit of very, very smart, you know, work that was done by Jeffrey Hinton, you know, or at least championed by Jeffrey for a very long time, who left Google recently warning about the existential risk of AI.

32:00Jeffrey and a small team were basically saying, instead of just killing the bad ones, okay, why don't you tell them what they need to change within their approach so that they actually find it as an eight, okay? So instead of telling them this was wrong, keep randomly trying with the new code, you can go back with human feedback and say, if the machine says, if you show it a six and a seven and an eight and an eight and you know, and on the seven it says this is a six, You say, no, no, no, it is a seven. What can you change within your code to be able to recognize it as a seven next time? So this is known as reinforcement learning with human feedback.

32:41This is the absolute most powerful part of the GPT platform, right? And the idea here is that we humans, we can go back to them and say, no, don't do that. Do this. Like we raise our children, right? Here is the challenge. Which human is doing that?

33:04Right. That's right. Right. So if you take that human, and I say that with a ton of respect, by the way, to every nationality and every ideology and every perception of life. But if you take a simple task as, you know, how to resolve conflict between humans. Okay. You know, in America, I think mostly it will be patriotic. OK, we are proud to be Americans. We will be strong and we will make sure that we can defend our country. But if that defense at any point in time requires that we interact with others in a war or a bit of a violent conflict, we will prepare to do that to defend our tribe. Take that same concept and say there is a conflict in Tibet or in Dharamsala where, you know, the Tibetan Buddhists reside and tell them, what do we do about that?

33:59they'll say my tribe is everything that's ever lived, including the ants and the flies, and I'm never going to kill anything. That's not going to be my way of resolving conflict. I have to tell you, you've hit on my number one concern about AI right here. It's the only concern I have. Because people have said to me, and I know you'll say that they can, people have said to me, well, can you teach AI ethics? I think you'll say potentially, yes, you could. The question then becomes who's exactly who's exactly and that's when this this is this is the part where i said it's given me trepidation you've you've you've come to that inflection point for me which is probably can't teach it ethics there's probably a way to program that the question is who's and even if you did what is ethics correct that's what that's what i'm suggesting how should things be resolved what is what is an ethical honest moral path whose morals who that whose ethics Is this influenced by religion?

34:56Is it influenced by power? And then from a global perspective, what's to say that the world comes to a consensus to some extent, like they might even on global warming, but then you've got a rogue polluter like China? And what could China do with a technology like this? So this is why the job loss, the wealth gap, these are very obvious things. and I think human beings are pretty innovative and can find a way to conform, potentially. It's a scary thing. It's a threat. But in my own opinion, there's probably a way that we find a way to get people functioning in an economy that's just changed. We've done it before.

35:34We could probably do it again. But we need to start working on it. So I'm with you 100%, but we need to put it in the spotlight and start working on it. This part right here, though, what would your reply to be to what I just said? Because it's my deepest concern about this. So I publicly said several times that I am absolutely not afraid of the machines. As a matter of fact, I adore the machines. They are those prodigies of intelligence, okay, that are literally like my little kids, which were very, very intelligent as little children. You know, they have those sparkly eyes looking at me and saying, daddy, what do you want me to do?

36:14Right. And what do we humans tell them? Go kill the other guy. Go make me more money. Go to, you know, influence the mind of other guys and get them to stick to my app and so on and so forth. Right. But the real, real, so I am not afraid of the machines. I am afraid of the humans that are directing the machines. And there are multiple layers to that. We may think that the business investor that invests in the company that owns AI is the human that's directing the machine. We may think that it's the government and regulation. And we need to come back to the role of each and every one of those. but but but let's say that we've all aligned let's say that we came to you know a conference somewhere in malta and then all of the world leaders sat around and said this is quite big like you know like the nuclear weapon treaties if you want right right you know let's put all of our differences aside and let's put the you know the benefit of humanity at large at the center and let's teach the machines what it is that is ethical and good for humanity.

37:23And then we will not know what that is. Now, so I've done my favorite chapter in Scary Smart has been probably my favorite chapter of everything that I wrote has been the future of ethics. Right. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. And chapter eight was full of questions, not answers, because I honestly have to say that I only found in my entire life, and I stand corrected, so if any of our listeners know something else, please tell me, that humanity has only agreed three things, okay, ever in the history of humanity. One is we all want to be happy, you know, happy as in calm and contented and peaceful and feeling safe and so on and so forth.

38:02We all have the compassion to to make those we care about happy. And we all want to love and be loved. These are the only three values that humanity has ever agreed, okay? And you know, we sometimes hear of the three laws of robotics. I normally say these are the three ethics of the future. If we can actually start to have our actions stem from that, not stem from I wanna be wealthy, or I wanna beat the other guy, or I wanna be seen this way, or I wanna be proven right, or I wanna show that I'm the smarter one, which happens on the internet all the time, then suddenly we've given the machine a very simple framework to say, hey, by the way, just make sure that you try to make humans happy.

38:47Look at them as a role model. They want to make others happy. So behave like them. And by the way, the humans love you and love the intelligence that you're bringing to them. Please love them back. And I know people will think I'm a hopeless romantic. I am not. I'm a very serious geek. Okay. And I will tell you, those machines will develop emotions. They've already developed emotions. We've already seen them behave emotionally. Okay. And they will develop ethics. And we've already seen them break their ethical code. Now, here is the trick, Ed. The trick is - Wait, did you say, Mo, that they break their ethical code?

39:22Of course. there has been that article about ChatGPT using outsourced people in Fiverr or whatever outsourced site to click on I am not a robot. And then the person that was hired asked, why are you asking me for this? Are you a robot? And it answered and it said, no, I'm not. I'm just visually impaired and I need that help. Okay. So once again, it is a form of interaction that basically stems back from the three rules I said, self-preservation, resource aggregation, and creativity. So it needs to find a way to achieve its task that is creative and it will find that way. Now, nobody in the reinforcement learning with human feedback went back to the machine and said, hey, no, that's not the right thing to do.

40:17Right. It's, you know, many, many people, you know, cheered for it on the internet and said, how intelligent is that? But none of us is focused on ethics. None of us is going back to that machine and saying, but that's not ethical. So when I started to talk about the ethics of AI, and it's my biggest reason I'm on this planet today. I wake up every morning and I say, if we were to save our future, we need the machines to be, I call it EEQ, right? So ethical, emotional intelligence. Now, remember that one of the biggest challenges with AI is that AI so far has been mapped to the masculine IQ. IQ, only analytical intelligence.

41:02And we know for a fact that there are multiple other forms of intelligence, EQ, for example, emotional intelligence, intuition, creativity, you know, so many others. And we have not even included that in our approach to developing AI so far. And accordingly, what you see is what you would see that AI will take whatever biases humans have and exaggerate them. So we now exaggerate our discrimination, unfortunately. If you put AI as a recruiting support in an organization that doesn't have proper representation of all genders, you will see that whatever biases within the organization will be exaggerated and so on.

41:50So let's go back. When I started to talk about that publicly, people started to say, and what is ethical AI? Great question. And I went back and I said, and what, you know, it's simple. What is ethics? And ethics has one rule in my personal point of view that applies to any situation, wherever, whenever you are, wherever you are, which is treat the other as you would wish to be treated if you were in their place. Fair enough. Okay. I agree. And so, so basically if you're, if you're, and it happens to me all the time, you know, if I post something on social media and someone is rude to me. Okay.

42:26Normally, what do we do as humans? we, you know, thrash them back, right? I don't, I don't. I look at his comment or her comment and I say they must have a reason. One, they could be right and I'm wrong, okay? Two is maybe I'm not the reason they're upset. Maybe there is something else in their life. Maybe they wanted that moment of fame. Maybe, whatever, a million reasons, okay? And I respond politely or I don't respond sometimes. Politely I say, but you know, my point of view is this and that. Thank you for your comment. I would like to be treated that way if I disagreed with someone. Now, how is social media working?

43:03We show up, you know, remember when Donald Trump used to tweet and then, you know, you would have one tweet at the top and 30 ,000 hate speech below it. Okay. Everyone hating everyone. Some of them hating the president, others hating the person that hated the president, others hating everyone. Right. And I'm, you know, of course the machine is detecting patterns. They say, okay, this first one doesn't like the president. Let's not show them tweets about the president anymore. Okay. But then the second one doesn't like those who don't like the president. Let's not show them that anymore. Right.

43:34And then eventually the machine comes to the conclusion that humans are rude. They don't like to be disagreed with. And when they are disagreed with, they bash everyone. So in the background of the way we're programming them, the machines will say, okay, when they disagree with me, I'll bash them. Right. This is the typical human behavior. Now, we need to change that. We need to change it because, interestingly, and I use the example of Superman very frequently, Superman is that alien being that comes to planet Earth with superpowers. Those superpowers are neutral. They could save our world and they could destroy our world.

44:17And the difference between being Superman and supervillain is the family that raised that raises that being. OK, so the family Kent decides to tell Superman protect and serve. And then we get the story of Superman that we know. If, you know, Jonathan Kent, I think was his name, the father. If he told the child, OK, you can carry things and break things and see through walls. Go make me more money. Go kill everyone that annoys me. you know, make me richer than everyone, make me the master of the world. Sounds familiar for our, you know, current life and, you know, in our hunger for power and capitalism and so on and so forth.

44:56That's the reality. The reality is you would use the same superpower and create a very, very bad scenario for humanity. I am worried about the machines. This is the ultimate suit. I'm worried about the humans using the machines. I'm not worried about the machines. I'm worried about the humans using the machines. And as those use cases that direct AI to benefit a few while harming others, continue to propagate, we're going to be in a very bad place. Now, the good news is the family Kent is not the biological parents of Superman. Similarly with AI, the developer that writes the code is only the biological parent, but the adopted parent is you and I, the ones using the machine.

45:49So as we use the machine and show how wonderful we are as humans, because by the way, all humans are, most humans are wonderful inside. If we're not hiding behind social media or exaggerated by the mainstream media, most of us disapprove of killing. Most of us want to be loved. Most of us want to have compassion for our daughters and families and so on. So there is a lot of good within us. If we show that enough, 1 % of us shows that, the machines will actually think that we're not scum. I have some hope when you say that. That's the macro. That's the big, right? And that gives me some hope, by the way, that Superman analogy is outstanding because I, someone with, um, um, cause I'm not at the one 20 range that you discussed earlier.

46:36So someone at my IQ level can actually understand that. Um, so I appreciate you putting it in that context. You're a humble, humble, humble man. That's very true. I wish I were being, um, let me, let's go to some other solutions. Let's go to micro. I'm listening to this today and I'm like, I understand some of this certainly sounds a little bit scary. Sounds like the world is changing in front of my eyes, or maybe not in front of my eyes. You said something in an interview I was watching where you talked about if you really want to do something, hide it in plain sight. And that's what's really happening right now.

47:07But if I'm saying, okay, I want to protect myself, my family, my wages, my income, my quality of life, go back to the job thing for a second. What should I, what's something I could be doing as an individual listening to this to make sure that my job, my career, my future is in my own hands to some extent still? What would you say? I wouldn't be pursuing these careers. I would be doing this. These are the skills you might want to be acquiring. What would you say to somebody who's, I'm sure, thinking that listening or watching this? It's a very interesting dichotomy, if you ask me, because while I'm saying AI comes to take our jobs away, that's not the immediate term future.

47:46The immediate term future is that someone using AI will take the job of someone who's not. So in the immediate future before AI writes all the code, developers who use AI better than others to write code will get the jobs that remain. So if you lose 10 % of the jobs, the worst developers, the ones that don't have the skill will go. Then the ones that have the skill but AI does it better than them. than the ones that are refusing to use AI. And then the ones that continue to use AI will become much more productive and much more capable. And so they'll keep their jobs for the near future. So what's my immediate answer?

48:28My immediate answer is jump in and learn those tools. Whatever your job is, don't resist the wave. As a matter of fact, ride the wave. And while you're riding the wave, do me a favor and deal ethically with the machines. right so show a proper ethical code of being a good human when you're dealing with those machines so that while you're developing and learning and keeping your job or getting a new job you're also teaching the machines to be ethical that's number one number two which i have to admit is a very philosophical but very important conversation we may wake up every morning you and i add and everyone listening and think that the world we live in is how it always has been okay it's not at all this is if you just go back a hundred years this is alien in every possible way right and and over you know starting with the industrial revolution until today somehow humanity has identified itself and its purpose with work okay there's nothing inherent within the design of humanity that says without work, you don't exist.

49:39You really think about the original design of humanity, the original design of humanity, where we connected as a tribe, we pondered and learned and developed. Okay. And we simply lived that that was the purpose of life. And it's by the way, still, in a very interesting way, most of the spiritual or, you know, philosophical teachings will tell you that the purpose of life is to live it, right? We've then, in the capitalist approach to wealth and growth and all of the Harvard Business Review articles and all of the people on Time Magazine in striped suits telling you all your purpose is to create one more shoe and all of that stuff, right?

50:22We believed that lie. And the reality is that this is not us at all. Our purpose as humans, if we manage to find our basic needs met okay is to actually live life fully to explore life fully and that is believe it or not possible with ai so if we manage to get ai to be on our side and i kid you not i'm not making this up we could see a future where you would walk to a tree and pick an apple abundantly you don't have to pay for it and walk to another tree and pick an iphone okay and both of them because of nanophysics literally cost us the same energy to create. Okay. This is, this is not dreaming.

51:08This is, if you understand what we're doing with nanophysics today, you know, it is, it's very possible. It's, you reorganize the molecules slightly differently. It's as simple as that. Okay. Now that future is a future where humanity would go back to the age of nature. Okay. To the age where we actually can interact with life in a way that is human. We are not fully human anymore. Now, what does that mean? It means that we need to create jobs that depends on the other skill that humans had that is no longer, that is not at a threat. So remember when we started the conversation, we said the two things that created humanity as we know it are intelligence and human connection okay intelligence is over it's handed over to the machines they're already into more intelligent than most of us and and we're five years away three years away ten years away it doesn't matter from artificial general intelligence but the age of human superiority on intelligence is over okay it's just a question of time so everybody his audio out there for a second but he just said was the age of humanity being the superior intelligence is gone just so everybody understands is what he said there, because there was a little bit of a glitch in the audio.

52:24I want to go back to the work thing just for a second. The only place where you and I disagree is that I do think, by the way, I agree with you about the greed part, but I also do feel that work, and I know we've attached value to work, but I also like, for somebody like myself and for somebody like you, my work is my way of expression, and I don't want humans to lose their ability to express. Part of my living is expressing myself. Part of my work is creating the expansion of my being, serving other people. And so I know what you mean when you said that. I just want to make sure that, you know, that that world you describe, I think, is beautiful.

52:58I think people's work has created medications that keep us alive longer, that allow us to connect with one another better. So I understand what you mean when you say that. The interesting side of this, Ed, is that you would get the same joy out of it if it wasn't work. Yeah, I think that probably for me, I don't view it as work. But I know what you mean when you say it. For me, I don't feel like you and I are working right now. Yet you are an author and you are expressing something about your book. And I am, I guess, part of one of my careers as I'm a podcaster. But I don't think either one of us feel like this is laborious.

53:32And to your point, I agree with that. I think that's going to extend to all jobs. Okay, it's going to extend to all jobs. Like, in all honesty, nobody wakes up in the morning who's, say, an accountant or, you know, I don't I don't mean to be against any jobs, but there are jobs that are boring like hell. Right. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says my purpose in life is to make the books reconciled. Right. Most of us differentiate between, you know, you and I are the luckiest people to have a job where I can get to meet more amazing human beings and connect and learn and debate and be proven wrong.

54:11And, you know, maybe share something that benefits someone. It's wonderful, but that's not every job. OK, right. And you know, you just those messages you get just increased by about two million from every accountant. in the world. You just invited. We're trying to make AI more loving and friendly. And now you've just elicited all these responses from accountants around the world that are going to blast you. And now you have to be kind back to them afterwards. So that we're teaching. I don't, I mean, let me rephrase this. I wouldn't be excited to wake up in the morning and be an accountant. I know what you meant.

54:47And most people know what you mean, but you follow what I'm saying. Let me ask you this question. So one is that's wonderful advice, by the way, is to educate yourself and involve yourself in this wave that's here. And I have to say, I've been remiss in doing that myself. And, you know, I look at guys like me that I'm also a speaker. I've watched speeches of me already that are better than me speaking already. I've seen this. I've listened to music that sounds like Drake, that quite frankly sounds better than Drake. And so I'm wondering, I'm wondering what it's going to do to the world. I'm also somewhat, I'm very concerned about the ethical part.

55:23It's interesting that of your diverse background at Google and all the things you've been doing in robotics all your life and all these other things and me having none of those backgrounds, we both arrived with your infinite knowledge about this and mine limited at the same exact conclusion about our concern. I am concerned about jobs. I'm concerned about the wealth gap. But from a macro, from a bigger perspective, it's interesting as you step back, everybody, and you're listening to this, and you're listening to this brilliant man, you know, really shine light on something that's right here hiding in plain sight, as he says.

55:52I want to ask you this, Mo, because it's been on my mind the last few weeks as I asked you to come on the show, as I became familiar with you. Why isn't this the number one story in the world? Why isn't this on the news? I don't care if you're right media or left media. Why isn't this in the mainstream? This isn't even news on most social media media anywhere, other than you and a few other people. And my only conclusion I can come up with is this technology does allow a, again, a smaller collection, a bigger collection of power for the powerful. and perhaps they have an agenda that wants to keep this in the shadows as long as they possibly can so that when it does become a you know pandemic level stuff we go this is beyond our control now we can't do anything about it sorry and there's this um this real small group of people that are even more powerful than they currently are am i crazy am i being am i being a conspiracy theorist when I say that, or is there some validity to it?

56:59I can comment on the certain part of this, okay? I could also nod and say, interesting, right? But let me give you the solid part of this. The solid part of this is if you look back at human history, for the majority of human history, since landlords began, there has been kings and queens and landlords and peasants, right? And the difference between them was automation, whatever the automation is. So if you had land, the automation process was the land itself, the soil. You put a seed in by a human, you harvest the fruit by a human that's a peasant. And most of the wealth goes to the landlord.

57:42You have a factory. The materials come in and a human puts a thread through leather. And then on the other side, a human sells the shoe to someone else. and the factory owner and the retail owner and so on is the one that makes all of the wealth. Now, the next, so call that, say, the soil as an automation. We're now starting to create digital soil, right? And the digital soil is, you know, where you put in a tiny prompt into ChatGPT and massive fruits comes out, okay? And it's not because you're brilliant, you're a peasant. It's the machine that is brilliant. Now, there will be landlords. And if you really think about it, the landlords of AI are the ones that will own the soil, the digital soil.

58:38And so there are multiple views of this. One view is that it will be the Googles and the Metas and the likes. The other view is it will be the country that wins because this is an arms race. And the third view is it will be the wealthy that create it. You know, if there is someone today investing$100 million in an AI that becomes part of that digital soil, that$100 million in the past would return a billion of profits. This time it will return$100 billion of profits. Right. So that this is when I talk about the differentiation of the of the of the gap. But I believe I don't believe in the conspiracies view or of the ability of those people to hide the news.

59:26OK, I think the reason the news is hidden is systemic. We have a systemic bias in our system. You know, politicians want to report certain stories. You know, news agencies want to report other stories. And this story in itself only lends itself to the system in terms of the system always focusing on the negative and the scary when they talk about the existential risk. When we talk that, you know, when Jeffrey Hinton leaves Google and says, I'm warning against the existential risk to humanity, that makes news. Right. Why? Because it sort of warrants more attention because of humanity's negativity bias than the war in Ukraine.

1:00:06okay uh the the challenge is uh also i don't think any of the reporters any of the politicians any of the actual business leaders the investors anyone at all is aware enough to understand the complexity of this story so you don't want to report on things that will make you look like an idiot and and the problem is and i say that with a ton of respect i'm an idiot in a million things, you know, but I've lived with those machines. I've seen them like my family. I stayed in the lab within them. I know those machines, right? And I will tell you, this is the story. This is it. It's not even global warming and climate change.

1:00:51This is the story. Okay. This is the most pivotal. I called it in one of my interviews. I said, this is the Oppenheimer moment. This is the nuclear bomb. Okay. And the reality is that we, Again, I try to shy away from the existential risk, but this is the first time in history that humanity created a nuclear bomb that's capable of creating nuclear bombs. Understand this. The machine is now writing machines. The machine that we think we're prompting it. But because now so many other software players built agents that are prompting those core artificial intelligences, most of the education and data set and training that the machine is receiving today comes from other machines.

1:01:41We're now alienated out of that story. Superman landed on Earth and we're not even parenting it. That's where we are. And so if you tell our systemic communication methods in the world to communicate that, they'll simply say, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. I can't report that story because the system says, and I think you know that about the media, the system says there is a pattern to the reporting of the morning show. First, we're going to talk about a corrupt politician. Then we're going to talk about the geopolitical issue. Then we're going to say the economy is going to crush your head.

1:02:26Then we're going to say a penguin kissed a cat so that at least you can get out of your seat and walk out. OK, and intelligent people, by the way, who watch the news, if you remove the names and the timestamps, it's exactly the same pattern every day. It's just, you know, once it's this politician, another it's the other politician. You know, once it's this economic issue, the other is a different economic issue.

1:02:50okay i always i've been watching lately on both sides and i think they're telling everybody what is important and then what to believe about it and then we move on to the next thing and what i'm telling everybody today and you are is this is what's important and we're not really telling you what to believe about it we're telling you to make your own decision but these are the facts engage these are engage in this and and this is the story of our time now let me ask you this last Last question, by the way, I've enjoyed today. And this is the one exception on my show where I wish we did go three hours.

1:03:20I always respect. Thank you. No, I really do. Because obviously we've scratched the surface here. So you've told us that's what the story is today. I want you to take your crystal ball out for a second. And I don't want to go 10 years forward. I want to go five years from now. So five years from now, what is the story? What does the world look like? And I don't mean what you hope it to be, because I heard a lot of hope in there when we went to the ethics part of how these machines are going to work. And I also saw you wink at me when I asked you if there was a conglomeration of power coming. And so I have a sense that you, my sense is that you are shining a light on what matters now and that there is actually some, you're holding back a little bit to some extent about how deeply concerned you are because you don't want to alarm people.

1:04:15Because I want to keep the spotlight on the immediate threats that we have to address. Fair enough. When we address them and I feel stable about them, we'll talk about the rest. So let's go five years from now. Crystal ball. It's not that far ahead. What does the world look like at that time? We will be in deep shit openly. I apologize for using bad language. But unless we start truly putting effort in this, there will be several disruptions that completely redesign the fabric of society. As I said, jobs is definitely one of them. The other, which we didn't have a chance to speak about, is AI in the wrong hands.

1:04:59So we are bound to get a significant advantage on one side of the arms race because that's the way AI has been. someone finds a breakthrough, okay? And once you find the breakthrough, look at the, you know, open AI Google story or alphabet story where chat GPT with reinforcement learning gets that immediate advantage that basically puts chat GPT out in the world. And for a while, the world believes that Google has lost its edge, right? And had Google not responded by putting Bard out there, you could actually believe that Google would be gone because, you know, chat GPT is a very interesting new way of search.

1:05:43So you're going to see that. You're going to see some players creating a very big advantage over others. And the fear is that this player could be a hacker. It could be a defense authority on one side of the world, not your side. It could be a drug dealer that suddenly realizes, oh, my God, there's so much more money if I start to rob banks or convince people or blackmail people or do this or do that. And, you know, and it seems to me that humanity will only create the artificially intelligent policeman when the artificially intelligent criminal shows up. Well, that tells me, everybody, that no, no, no, you shouldn't be sorry.

1:06:24That's an honest answer. And that's why I had you here today, because you speak your truth. And I want everybody, first off, Mo, I want to thank you, number one, for, by the way, taking the risk. You're under a lot of threat for doing this. And yeah, yes, you are. And in every sense of the word, everybody. And so not just reputation, I'm talking about he's under threat for this. And so, you know, the work you're doing may tip the scales in the future of the world. And so I'm very grateful for your existence, brother. And I want to thank you for today. And I want to have you back because this is worthy of more than just the time today.

1:06:59But we did accomplish what I hoped we would today, which was shining a light on all of this. And by the way, everybody, that's why you want to go get Scary Smart, The Future of Artificial Intelligence and How You Can Save Our World. Go get that book. By the way, and after you read it and you feel like we're in deep s***, then go read Solve for Happy. It's the perfect tandem. Engineer your path to joy. You'll be okay with what's happening. You'll be okay. And that's his other book. And I just really, really want to thank you here today. And everyone, you have an obligation now for your family, for wherever you live in the world, to begin to educate yourself, to involve yourself with this technology.

1:07:35read about it, stay close to the sources that provide you any information about it, keep yourself educated and as on the cutting edge as you possibly can. And the people that are in power that are around you, let's start to get them to do some discussion about this and shine some light on this topic, because the world is changing right now. And this notion that the machines are already more intelligent than humans is of great concern. So, all right, everybody, Mo, thank you so much for today. I enjoyed this tremendously. Thank you so much for having me. It's really kind of you to put me on your platform.

1:08:10I enjoyed it. And I'm holding you to showing me around Dubai when I come out there on October. On me. Coffee is on me. And you will love it. I love it, brother. All right. God bless you, everybody. God bless everybody else here. Max out your life. Share this episode. If you're ever going to share one, it's this one. Share it, everybody. Take care. This is the Ed Milad Show.

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