Inky Johnson: The Resilience Formula

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1:00he's the best speaker that i've ever seen in my life i told him he could read a menu in a restaurant and i would just melt he's so good and this conversation is going to change your life with the great inky johnson inky welcome back to the show brother man thank you so much man um you mean a lot to me man like i just i shared that with you prior to but i wanted to share that on camera as well man you mean a lot to me man this moment means a lot to me i'm grateful for you brother thank you i am i feel that yeah i accept it i accept it i just wish we had more time together we run into each other a couple times a year so my audience i gave you this pretty big intro so we need to deliver yeah and uh you're somebody who the way you frame your life the way you think about life every time you speak it just feels right to me and it actually shifts my perspective almost every time i hear you speak about something even just right now when we're out there standing looking at the ocean together at my house.

1:55It shifts my perspective. And you had an event take place in your life that kind of turned you into this version of you, right, that your perspective is unique on. And I don't know that everybody in my audience knows the story, so I want them to know. I'll just set the stage for this. Some of you say you didn't grow up with a lot of money. Let me tell you right now. This dude did not grow up with a lot of money. And he became a tremendous athlete. I'm going to fast forward all the way to the college days. He becomes a tremendous athlete. This guy's playing defensive back at University of Tennessee.

2:20He's a first-round pick. I mean, his life is dialed in. Everything's going to be great. Millions of dollars going to change his family tree forever. And then what took place? September 9th, I had an injury in a game against the Air Force. I went to make a routine tackle. Fourth quarter, two minutes left. At the point of contact, guy's helmet hit me between my shoulder and my neck. Sent my shoulder one way, neck opposite way. Ruptured the subclavian artery in my chest, the main artery. tore the nerves from my spine automatically paralyzed shoulder arm hand they had to save my life that night woke up the next day arm paralyzed six incisions down my left thigh one incision across the left side of my neck one across the right twice through my right ribs cut out my right pec bottom of my armpit to the bottom of my hand 350 staples in my body career over life changed.

3:14Most people would say, did y 'all just hear that? He just gave you a very quick version because I asked him, I got so many things I want to ask him today. But actually it was more powerful the way you just did it. Thank you. It was just bang, bang, bang, bang. Let me ask you, you know, most people when that happened had to be, I think I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh, your life, are you okay? What was your, this perspective stuff with you is everything, right? What was your initial feeling and then you know soon thereafter what was your perspective about it uh initially i didn't think it was real right because when you put in work and you know man like when you put in work and you know you sacrifice and people help you along your journey to get to a certain point you hear things can change in an instant but it's like you live life with this thought process that yeah but that don't apply to me right that doesn't apply to me and so even though i knew it was career and injuries in the sport i never once thought about it right and so when it happened it was kind of surreal and it felt as if it was a bad dream i tell people often ed the part that people don't know is i remember for weeks every day going to sleep like six seven o 'clock in the evening thinking man when I wake up tomorrow I'll be able to feel my arm again right because it felt like I was in a bad dream it felt like it wasn't real even though I was operating and doing certain things I was out of the hospital I was going to work I still felt like man this can't be like this can't be real right and I would wake up and I would touch my arm and I'd be like man I still can't feel it right and I'll never forget I got to a day in the football complex to where I just broke down and it was the most freeing day of my life tears and I just released it and I was like okay man you got to embrace you got to adapt to a new normal you got to figure out a way to use this and you got to close that chapter right it's real now and for a while I felt as if it wasn't real and when I embraced it when I was like all right man it's real I shifted my focus and my perspective to the space and place.

5:26Okay, how can you use it? How have you used it? I would say more so, like when we go through adversity and opposition, I think that's the one thing we all have in common as people. And the beautiful thing about adversity, opposition, change, uncertainty, more times than not, it elicits the same emotions. And so a person may look at my adversity and opposition and on the surface you can see it paralyzed right arm and hand arm smaller like you can visibly see it but we're all wounded wow to a certain extent you just can see mine right but to a certain extent I know the thing that we can both identify with I'm dealing with some adversity you've went through some adversity or you may be dealing with some adversity and so how I represent myself how how I share about my adversity and opposition, how I deal with it, I have an opportunity to impact you.

6:25So good. And so for me and my perspective about it, I tell people often, Ed, I never looked at it as a tragedy. Never. Never. I didn't have the time to. Right? And so every single day it was process, process, different device, different hospital, different doctor's office. I didn't have the time to. and so i'm in the presence of so many people trying to help me which i'm grateful for i couldn't bring a certain energy to that environment yeah yeah but you i i get that you've said that to me before i'm like that's just remarkable to me but then i go back i'm like okay i just i'm thinking you were this close millions of dollars are going to come in you're going to be able to take care of your family finally right was there do you ever at any point did you look back because i you know, comparison is a thief of joy, right?

7:15People say all the time. I wonder two things about that. One, did you, did you have moments there where you're like, man, I was weeks away, months away from changing my life. And then the other thing I've never asked you this before. So answer them both together. Do you ever dream that your arm works? Oh, absolutely. You still do to this day. Till this day, man. And, um, You will wake up from a dream and in that dream, your arm was working. Definitely. Interesting. Definitely. And, um, you know, it's just things that, Just the simple things, man. Like something that was a big deal to me when I was young and I was like, man, I can't wait until I get my children one day when I have a family.

7:57And this is when I was a young man, like 15. And I didn't grow up in the house with my father. And so I was like, man, I can't wait until I get my family and I have my children and be able to throw them up in the air and catch them and hugging my mother, hugging my wife, hugging my children with two arms. Like that's something that the average person doesn't think about. For granted. Right. I hug them every single day. But it's times after my daughter performs at a cheer competition that I wish I could just run up, grab her, toss her in the air and catch her. Right. It's times when my son does something, I wish I could just go over and grab him, toss him up and be like, man, you crushed that.

8:40Right. And so I think about that. And speaking to the point of the disappointment piece and, you know, what happened to me when I say I don't view it as a tragedy, I was disappointed. But I didn't view it as a tragedy. What's the difference? That's good. Right. Right. Tragedy. I felt as if if I would have looked at what happened to me as a tragedy. It would have created a certain level of bitterness. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's nothing wrong with that. Right. That's a very real emotion. But I was more so disappointed when it didn't happen. I was like, man, I put in all this work and got that close and it didn't happen.

9:25Like, if I could be honest with you, I was like, like, God, like, man, let me make it. Yeah. Yeah. Then something happens. Like, let me, I put in a, we're going to do it right now. Like, let me cross the finish line. And so it was more so a disappointment. It wasn't looking at it as a, as a tragedy because I still had life. You're the best speaker I've ever heard. Right. Thank you, man. but ironically i probably would have not heard you ever speak had this not happened 100 would have never given a platform so it's amazing how god works if we're faithful like you've been like you had this other giftedness i mean i know you're a really good defensive back probably one of the better ones in college but you're a better speaker i don't care how good a football player you were like i know who the best speakers are right and once in a while people think once in a while people do say me, right?

10:18But I'm going to tell you, for me, there's three or four people when they speak, I just literally stop. Like for example, with this man's work on social media, there's very few people stuff on social media that I just, I stop and watch. I'm not, I watch every video. If I catch one of Inc's videos, I watch it to the very end. It's not one of these, you know, you scroll through social. Some people have this thing about them with me that that's their energy, their character, their vibrational frequency, whatever it is, Holy Spirit. When you speak, I'm like glued. And so I wrote down today, I told you it is some work.

10:50Some of the things that you, by the way, some of them you will probably forgotten. You said, okay, you know, I do people ask me stuff. I'm like, I'm not sure how I finished that sentence last time, but I want to ask you for a few things because there's some stuff that you talk about that it, let me tell you what I do from your social. I will sometimes literally walk from it and just go make a note for myself personally, things that you say, that's how deeply you influence me and impact me. And one of the things that you talk a lot about is patience because I got to think when this injury happened you know it required some patience to get to this point and for me I'm a very very impatient person I think with social media today with this I want to be successful right now I want the boat right now I want this you know the house the whatever they want the life right I want the body right now patience is kind of it's like a it's like a virtue that nobody talks about anymore so I'm curious about your your viewpoints on patience yeah i think you you hit the nail on the head man we live in a world and in a society to where people teach and talk to you about the grind people teach and talk to you about the hustle people teach and talk to you about going out man a long hours to sacrifice but nobody talks to you about patience right right and i believe in the concept of you judge each day by the harvest you reap not by the seeds that you just soul right and so for me when I speak to patients like when I had to be patient in the midst of my injury and the opposition and adversity I went through it was certain things that came to me in solitude that if I was moving I wouldn't have got them right and what I mean by that is I remember my mother my mother saying to me a guy said to me once when I came on a pivot he said man when life starts spiraling what's something that you say to yourself or what's something that you do that It helps you come back to center.

12:34I said, I'll never forget, man, when my mother told me at certain points in life when opposition adversity and things are spiraling, sometimes you have to get quiet so you can hear God. The guy said, does that mean sitting in a room, turning off the light? I was like, no. I said, what that means is going to the space and place to where you can come back to center and recalibrate and bring yourself back to the point to where you feel as if you got a grip on adversity and opposition and the challenges that you're dealing with. And so for me, patience is a part of the formula to help us become the individuals that we're destined to become.

13:08Grinding is great. Work ethic is great. All of those things are awesome. But nobody talks to you about patience. That's so true. And that's where we make the mistakes. Societies have been destroyed because of lack of patience. Marriages have been destroyed because of lack of patience. Relationships with our children have been destroyed because of lack of patience. right companies have been destroyed because of lack of patience some of the most talented people in the world lack patience and as a result that's where we make the mistakes and so i was pressing home patience because i was like man nobody talks about patience they do not talk about it the other thing they don't talk about so i told you guys what today would be i told you right the story is unbelievable but the wisdom that's come from this man there's just certain people i i this is going to be so corny to tell you this.

14:01You and I are both men of faith. We're both Christian men, but you got like a Yoda Gandhi thing about you going. No, you do. And I don't know if it's because you live a particular way or because of the injury, or I don't know what it is about you, but I'm telling everyone, I want them to follow you because these things have impacted me. I mean, even a lot of the speeches I give, I think it's probably something I've heard you say, and then I've flipped it into something. You know what I mean? No, I'm serious. and one of the things one of them is i went to speak at a i won't say which college football program but you had been there the week before right i'm like oh man i gotta follow this dude right no i'm serious and you had crushed it everywhere you go you crush it and so you had done you know an unbelievable job and i asked the guys afterwards we're having lunch i found they want to talk about my talk i'm like i want to know what inky said no i did i swear and it was this talk and this point and i by the way i've repeated this to my son no less than 60 times.

14:57And I want you to speak to this today. I want everyone to hear this. Listen close. You're driving in your car, turn this up a little bit. You're on the treadmill, turn it up a little bit. Because I think this is a separator. One is patience. It's like a hidden, invisible secret, right? Because it causes you to have discernment and make decisions in the right rhythm and cadence at the appropriate time. When you lack patience, something I say to you may be completely appropriate in the right moment when I wait for the moment. If I don't show patience, I say it too soon. It's the wrong time. Having said all that, here's what you would cover with this team.

15:56the difference between conditional effort and non-conditional effort. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Absolutely. Okay. They need to hear this because I think a lot of people's effort is conditional. Right. And great people, and to your point, you know, the people that you wanted to play football with, but I want to play in life with, it's not so conditional. So speak to that. Yeah. I think when things are conditional, it's predicated upon situation, circumstances, and what you give me. Yeah. I'll never forget getting to college and seeing guys that were so talented and gifted. And they would tap out for whatever reason.

16:29And I remember having a dialogue with a guy in our locker room. And he was like, Ink, I'm done. And I'm like, bro, like, you got the world in front of you, man. You so talented, so gifted. Like, what do you mean you done? Like, you tapping out. Like, you here. You got every resource on the planet. Like, you tapping out now? two more years man you can he's like yeah i'm done he was like i don't like the way they talking to me it's like cool i got it i was like but you said you're a man right yeah i'm a man and that's where i get the you want to be treated like you're at the double tree you want the warm oatmeal raisin cookie you want them to pat you on the butt every time you do something great and say great job nothing wrong with that cool right but that's conditional if you say what i want you to say If you give me what I want you to give me, if I get my jersey number, like, but that's not real life.

17:24Life doesn't play by those rules. Right. At a certain point, you got to have a level of integrity, level of character to where when you do. Can I be honest with you, Ed? I just, I got on my son last night. Right. About practice. Yeah. And a guy was trying to figure out like, man, why you, why you on him like that? Like he could play. Pretty good little athlete. Why you on him? He just had a little practice. I'm like, no, man, that's where you become great. That's right. That's right. Like you don't become great in the game. That's right. You become great at practice. Yes. Right? Kenny Smith said a quote that was so phenomenal.

18:01He said, champions do daily what everybody else does occasionally. Oh, wow. Right? Champions do daily what everybody else does occasionally. Right? Our character is what we do daily. Our reputation is what we do occasionally. Conditional. That's reputation. character that's non-conditional that's how i show up how i operate how i do things how i treat people right like i can vouch for ed my let no matter where he is no matter what the situation or the circumstance is because he's not conditional that's who he is it's not predicated upon situation and circumstance yes i tell athletes often you think it's a dual mentality right you think oh this is me the football player this is me the person no it's you right as an individual it's not me the athlete me the football player yes and so i think when we talk to conditional and non-conditional you got to show up man it's got to be who you are like in in um in the inner cities of america we got this thing where we say it can't be on you it's got to be in you right it can't be on you it's got to be in you right and that's our way of saying when you show up man it can't be conditional so good it has to be who you are you know how this applied for me the reason it's so important for me because i'll hear by the way the kid that told me the story i said how's it apply for you he goes he said something i'm never going to forget he goes you know a lot of you guys will prepare really really hard if you're the starter definitely but if you're the third dude coming off the bench you don't prepare as hard because it's conditioning you're probably not going to play anyways and he goes it and i said that that's going to take you the rest of your life.

19:36And then the difference of the score playing a hundred percent balls to the walls when it's, you know, 13 to 12, but you're down 42 to six, all of a sudden you don't hustle the same. I want to make that tackle the same for me, because I'm not a college football player anymore. I heard that it stayed with me many years later. Here's where it came up for me. I had a tendency in my life that the way I treated you was conditional on how you treated me. and and I think most people live their life that way and I was like well then that's not really who I am then I should treat someone in spite of how they treat me and and it showed up I've got had a viral post a few weeks ago but I thought about you I'm driving in the car and this dude uh kept cutting me off you've always had that yeah you know that guy right then he's yelling at me then he's honking then he gets behind me he's riding my bumper then he wants to race you You know, I mean, 99 out of 100 times in my life, I'm like, look, MF-er.

20:30You know, I'm giving it back to him, right? We're both in cars. But this has been important to me, what you said. And my treatment of this man is not going to be conditional on his treatment. I mean, that was an extreme example. That's good. But I actually maintained my composure. I stayed peaceful. I stayed with equanimity. And when I found out, ironically, that frustrates them more than anything because they wanted to get this other side of me. But you got to ask yourself that, everybody. where is conditional effort, conditional treatment showing up in your life? And eventually it's going to cost you somewhere, a relationship, a business, preparing every single day to communicate like you and I do.

21:05I do that on days I'm not speaking, not just on the days I am. And so it shows up in every area. Well, you're the one who came up with it, not me. Yeah, that's so good. But it made me think about something, what you said when you talked about the incident with the car, it made me think about something in terms of, like, this is what I realized years ago. So I was watching something from Phil Jackson when he spoke about Kobe and he talked about his talent. He was like, man, he's so talented, so gifted. He said, but he went to the next level when he wanted to know the nuances of the game, how things worked, how to do things, right?

21:43How things would work if I did this and did that. And it made me think about this. I remember he spoke about a call that Jerry West called him and said, hey, Phil, I was just talking to this Kobe Bryant kid, man, and he wanted to know how back in the day we were scoring 30 points and doing this, but you guys got this triangle offense, right? And Phil said, as soon as he hung up the phone, he was like, oh man, I'm going to have a problem. Like I run the triangle offense to try to keep things restricted, disciplined, and I'm going to have a problem. And so he said the next time he talked to Kobe, he realized that Kobe just wanted to understand how did Jerry West and the guys do it?

22:25How did they become efficient and effective at doing it? And what it made me realize in terms of our encounter, when we speak to conditional and non-conditional, I realized with me personally, when I deal with a person, oftentimes years ago, I started to realize I never think about what that person may be dealing with. right when i have an encounter with a person i just think about how it makes me feel what happens what transpires conditional non-condition i just think about how i feel in the moment right based upon what they just did i never think about man what may this person be going through yes or dealing with that's making them react or act in a certain way based upon the condition or the situation that we're now experiencing or encountering right and it takes a person to a different level when you move beyond talent we're using talent because of the situation but when you move beyond talent and you want to understand the nuances of how things work yes right what may they be dealing with what are they going through so good that made them react or act in that way here's what's crazy five minutes before you got here i want to do uh i'm going to do one of my thursday episodes on parenting so i'm studying these different parenting clips And this is incredible that you just said this, and I'm just going to reinforce the point.

23:42So I found this clip of Oprah Winfrey's interview in Mr. Rogers. Wow. That's a weird clip, right? But I'm like, wow, this is interesting. It was on parenting. I'm just doing some prep because I want to make a good course on it. Anyway, Oprah says, what's one tip you could give all parents to be a better parent? And he said, remember what it was like when you were a child. How did you feel? What was it like coming up? and it made me think like what if I started to think through that with other people what if I remember what it was like when I was offended remember how I felt when I lost remember how I felt when my relationship ended remember how I felt when I won when I was rejected when I was disrespected remember and if I could think that if I remember how I felt when right I don't know that guy in the car was going through that day maybe he just lost his job maybe his girlfriend broke up with him maybe he just missed a bill right but if I could remember what I felt like Because I've also been that guy.

24:33I've been the agitated guy. I've been the pissed off dude. Remember what it feels like to be that person. And that's exactly what you're saying. It's like, by the way, this is what everyone, you're welcome that this is free today. Because this is like a success and life masterclass that we're going through here. And I'm going to go through some other things too with you. You speak to all these different college football programs. It's a great organization. So most people that are listening to this are leading something. They lead in a family or they're leading a small business or a big business or something.

25:00They're leading something. You've been with Alabamas, you've been with the Clemsons, and you've been with some pretty good teams too. We don't need to name the pretty goods. What's something you've observed with the really elite leaders programs that's just the subtle? Because to me, I've spoken all over the place. It's very hard for me to tell the difference when I go into a top 30 team. But you do a lot of it. I do a little bit of that. What is one thing you've noticed? Is it standards? Is it process? What is it that separates the best organizations from the pretty good ones that you've been in to speak to?

25:34You know, it's been pretty cool because I'm a student, right? Like I tell you all the time, man, like I look at everything. Mannerisms, how someone speaks, I look at everything. So when I go to these organizations and been going to them for years, I watch everything, right? I remember going to Clemson and the first time I went down the slide, right? In the facility, Dabo got the slide. I'm like, man, this is phenomenal. You go to the back, the basketball court. Like every facility has their thing, right, to where's the top of the line. And then you start to watch them in meetings, right? I remember one of the first times I was in a Dabo meeting, I was listening to him speak, man.

26:10And they were talking about life. And then they got to football. And it was phenomenal. I remember going to watch Saban. All these guys, Tennessee, Georgia, Kirk, I was watching. I'm like, man, this is phenomenal. And one of the things that I learned was everybody had a different recipe, right? But the standard was the standard. And you could feel the standard. And when I say you could feel the standard, when you went through the building and how guys operated and how guys protected their brand and what it was about, it was phenomenal. You could feel it. When I say you could feel it, I'll never forget Saban walking down the hallway and guys just had a certain respect in that facility for Saban.

26:48I'll never forget going to speak at Georgia when Kirby walked in the room. It wasn't no jiving around. It wasn't guys talking. everybody locked in front and center. I remember seeing Dabo come out, the energy that he brought. And I was like, everybody has a different recipe, but the standard is the standard in all of these places and they operate and they lock into it differently. Let me ask you a question about it. Let me ask you a question about that. You have content that says the difference between an expectation and a standard. Absolutely. I told you, I listened to everything. What's the difference?

27:16Expectation is external. Standard is internal, right? Standard. Like this is us. This is who we are. This is how we operate. This is how we do things. That's standard. We go out in the community like this is who we are. Expectation, that's external. That's what they say about us in the paper before the season. They had a lot of success last year. Let's see, can they follow it up? That's expectate. That's what they create. The standard is what we create. That's what we operate by. That's our guide. When we show up, this is who we are. That's not predicated upon what they say. It's not predicated upon the weather.

27:55It's not predicated upon rain, sleet, or snow. This is how we get down. This is how we operate. Rain, sleet, snow, come hell or high water. This is our standard, right? Expectation, that's predicated upon external factors. Our standard, this is internal. This is who we are. This is how we get down. I told my producer before he walked into that, I said, just so you know, you're ready for one the best podcast you will ever heard in your life and now they know why um i'm ready to run through a wall i wish i could i i told uh i called uh told coach prime last week i interviewed coach prime i said i think i have probably a half a season of eligibility left i'm 52 i don't know if you need a car but i want to run through a wall right now with you what does process is the voice mean what does that mean yeah yeah process is the voice man um it's that thing in your head man when you start something it's going to help you finish it right because when i think process you know personally i think finish right i look at life as a process but i was um i was reading a book man um it was a harvard business review and it was talking about post-traumatic growth right and you talk about the term ed you ever heard the term and i'm sure we've all heard it at some point and it talked about the term if it doesn't kill me it's going to make me stronger right and it talked about that term originating from post-traumatic growth how a person can go through a level of adversity and opposition and how most people are resilient by nature right and so when they encounter certain things they're resilient they'll get through it but for most people they'll get through the adversity and opposition but they'll go back to the same behaviors same habits same routines and it said with post-traumatic growth these people go through adversity, opposition, challenges.

29:45And on the other side of it, they have post-traumatic growth because they give the adversity, the opposition, and the trauma a narrative, right? And they go out into the world and they use it. And so for me, when I think process and I think finish, for me, adversity, opposition, challenges, I look at it in terms of it's just post-traumatic growth, finish, right? Everything that happens along the process, finish. So I can have the chance and an opportunity at post-traumatic growth to be something different, right? That's where it comes from, Ed, when I say my arm and my hand is paralyzed, my heart isn't.

30:20People thought it just came from a place. No, I gave my pain a narrative, right? My arm and my hand is paralyzed, my commitment level isn't, right? Commitment, stand true to what you said you would do long after the mood that you've set it in has left. Finish. Process, finish, right? What is commitment? Stand true to what I said I would do long after the mood that I've set it in has left. Finish, right? A champion is built on the other side of I don't feel like it. Finish, right? That's what process is to me. It's finishing. That's the voice that says, no matter what you encounter, it's going to be a process.

30:57Finish it, man. The reason you feel something when he speaks is because he lives this. I don't think you can transfer to somebody that which you really aren't experiencing. and so like the fact that you like I've never heard that before I've never heard process described that way I'm always thinking of like sequential steps only and not the part of finishing it so I'm gonna ask you some personal things just about you like because you're always this perspective person for me during the uh pandemic you checked your phone I think you end up looking at your phone as the way the story goes and you're like I don't have any pictures in my phone absolutely and so different stories hit people different ways I want you to tell the story what it meant for me is i was like man for me i don't have enough mental pictures either like i've done i've been in a lot of places that i wasn't even there in my life in other words i've not always lived by being where my feet are so that piece of content for me i was like wow man i too often my wife will say do you remember when bella and i'm like no she goes you were right there she was four yeah this is important for everybody to hear because everyone thinks my life it's real no i don't i literally don't remember that she goes you were sitting right there i'm like it's real but i wasn't there and so when you had this post about this i mean maybe it was on your podcast your post i'm like man i don't not only do i not have a lot of my phone i don't have enough in my head i'm 52 years old there's not enough pictures i got to hold on to for being present in different moments but for you it had a different meaning what what was your reflection on that when you looked that's good man um thank you I want to challenge everybody when you get some time just go pull out some old pictures of your children spouse family and just look through them and just pay attention to the way it makes you feel right and so for me when I went through the pandemic and um I was looking through my phone And of course, the industry that I'm in, you in, got hit, right?

32:55Can't be in a room with more than 10 people, you know? And of course, you can speak virtually, but when you're in a room, like it feels different, right? You feed off the crowd, things like that. And so I was doing virtual stuff, but I couldn't be in a room and I was missing that. But also I was looking at my phone and I was like, man, I don't really have pictures, right? I've been to a lot of places, but I don't really have a lot of pictures of the places. I might get a picture here, a picture, but I didn't have pictures to where I could look and be like, man, I really enjoyed that. And I said, man, you know what?

33:29After the pandemic, I'm going to have fun and I'm going to enjoy the moments and I'm going to get more pictures. And so I speak to one of the moments that I had been speaking to Bama since 2015. And I didn't have a picture with Saban. That's crazy. And this last year that he retired, I went to speak and we take a picture in the office. Thank God, you didn't know he was retiring. I didn't know he was retiring, right? Right. And I got the picture, but it just shows that I said, I started this year, Ed, and I said, no, John does the one word. Yes. Every year, right? Yes. And I was like, man, this year, my word is going to be fun, man.