Nick Kyrgios: Grand Slam Mentality

0:28So, hey, guys, are you frustrated with where you're at right now?

0:33this is the admired show all right welcome back to the show everybody so i'm so excited about today this gentleman that we're going to visit with to me he may be the most fascinating athlete of my lifetime um he's a compelling figure he's an interesting man um i'd call him you know on the surface he's a very complex person we'll see you today when we talk with him uh he's also i would tell you, I think the most gifted tennis player that I've ever seen, talented or gifted, but between the two, he can do things on a tennis court that almost no one who has ever lived has been able to do. And he's going to be an interesting conversation today about success, about what really matters, mental health, performing under pressure, humility.

1:18I think you're going to see a side to him today if you're familiar with him that you've never seen before. Mutual friends of ours rave about him just as a human being. So Nick Kyrgios, welcome to the show. I appreciate that, Ed. Thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to it. Oh, my man. So let's look at tennis just real quick, although I don't want to spend a lot of time today talking about tennis. I want to talk about you as a person, but I've watched you over the years and probably like a lot of people. Sometimes you frustrate me, if I can be candid, because I see this immensely talented and gifted man.

1:51And then sometimes I don't know if you feel this way, but there's been times where, by the way, I root for you in every match you're in. literally every match you're in i find myself i don't care if it's against jokovic nadal whoever it is i root for you but sometimes i wonder if you're even rooting for yourself when you're out there is that a fair question to ask you yeah i think um i mean look i've always had a bit of a love-hate relationship with tennis i uh played basketball when i was a kid as well and that was my my true passion um and at 410 obviously picked the tennis kind of journey my parents pushed me heavily towards tennis so I guess I never really completely loved the sport and I didn't really have passion for it so um every every time I kind of stepped out there was always a battle of being completely vulnerable and going out there and giving my best effort all the time um even though I'm a really sick obsession and I hate losing and I'm a really I'm a true competitor that's for sure but tennis has always been a you know not even my true passion so that's been a hard struggle my whole career as well.

2:54What about now that you're injured? You tell me you're in a tough rehab right now. Has distance made your heart grow fonder or has this distance told you, you know what, I really like my life away from the game and the things I'm enjoying, not having to deal with the pressure, the expectations, the haters, the whatever it is, where are you at now? I still deal with the haters daily. It's like I've had two surgeries now in a year and as an athlete it's incredibly hard because rehab's not a fun place to be you know it's almost harder on a day-to-day basis than it is playing and when you're healthy you know you've got to do two sessions a day two gym sessions a day got to make sure your diet's good you've got to just be like really knuckling down to getting back to that full health but in a way it's been you know a really crucial time for my I think just as a human outside of tennis because I was from Australia and I was traveling six, seven months a year away from my family.

3:51Because in Australia, we have barely any tournaments here. So the rest of the tour is always overseas. So I guess now being injured, it's given me to really spend that quality time with my family. I felt like I hadn't seen them in the last 10 years of my life because I was always traveling, playing and just grinding, I guess. So now it's been good to be back home and spending time with them and just being able to build so many other things off the court as well, which I think is so crucial for an athlete. Athletes struggle with that so much because they don't know what else to do after they finish.

4:22So, you know, that's been really a challenge for me too, but I've fallen in love with so many things outside of the sport of tennis and just like having a conversation with you. You know, this would never have come if I wasn't injured as well. So I know it's all a bonus and I just got to change my perspective on it all. Do you want to come back and play? uh for sure you know i i definitely think i've got so much more to give and i've got millions of fans out there who want me to come go out there and and play and and try and take it to these i guess gods of the sport like jacovic like a normal guy like me like that will go out there and and give these guys a good run and i think um you know that's special and i think my body's got a little bit left and and i feel like i've still got fire in the belly you know i've been putting in some hard yards the last month so i definitely feel like i'll be back um and i just yeah i think I just don't want my fans and everyone to expect five more years of this circus that takes the court.

5:19Yeah. I want you to tell us about top-level athletics that we wouldn't know. So I'm always fascinated. You're going out before a final at Wimbledon, and it's you and Djokovic in the tunnel. You're both standing there. It's the day of. It's a match against Nadal or just another really great player. So, I mean, people don't realize this. look there's tennis there's there's junior tennis there's high school tennis there's college tennis and there's all these levels of tennis then there's professional tennis then there's the majors then there's you know getting to the quarterfinals then there's getting to the semifinals you're talking about on spinning planet earth yep really two three four human beings experience this at every tournament right what what would we not know about that nick like when you're back there in the tunnel and it's you and jokovic or warming up tell us something we don't know about the highest level that might surprise us or some insights into the top of the top so tennis is probably the only sport in the world that so basically me and Djokovic we were Wimbledon's a little bit different so let me say the U.S.

6:27Open so in New York so I'm playing Daniil Medvedev he's the number one player at the world at the time and he's the reigning U.S. Open champion so 10 minutes before we walk out to the center court after ash stadium i think it holds like i don't know something crazy 60 000 or something so in front five minutes before about to walk out and play in front of all those people and millions worldwide watching man this guy my opponent could be jokovic could be rafael we're all in the same locker room so i say i shower next to these guys like we're in the same locker room and we eat next to each other and then we have to go out and play against each other for four and a half hours and then after we finish we come back into the same locker room and we sit next to each other it's like unheard of in sport like everyone has separate locker rooms like nba nfl nhl they'll have separate locker rooms you don't see the person like hours before i literally see these guys for hours and hours before the match and we're walking out together and we walk back it's crazy wow i never knew that like literally i i I saw you in the tunnel, but I did not know that.

7:33We don't have separate locker rooms. We're all in the same locker room. We all showered together. We all eat together. It's f***ing crazy. Whoa. So what's that like? Like, are certain guys playing some little bit mental warfare in there? Like, they're keeping their distance? Really? Yeah, some people are really quiet in there, and some people just keep their distance. Like, me, I'm always in the locker room with a couple of my mates. Like, me and Novak or me and Andy Murray. Like, I'll always be quiet like a joker in the locker room and stuff. So people could look at that as, like, mental warfare, too.

8:01like me just like clowning around but there are definitely some people in there who don't give away anything like they get their business done and just leave but yeah I mean before Wimbledon me and Novak just walked out of locker room together we walked through the tunnel there's the royal families on the left like there's guards there on the right and I'm walking in front of Novak and I'm like a kid from Canberra who was suicidal who was struggling with his own confidence his own identity is now playing in front of the royal family walking in front of Novak to the biggest stage in world tennis and i was like this is nuts and then the door was like slowly open every blade of grass is even and i'm like nick kyrgios isn't supposed to be here wow damn that's cool right there man that's super cool when you're uh i'm really glad i asked you that let me ask you this what if you don't like the guy there's got to be a guy you don't like like if you're back there this is like yeah yeah i mean there's heaps of people that i didn't get along with great in the locker room and we didn't like each other at all but i shower next to that guy and i ate with that guy and uh we just go out on court and compete for four hours when you're in a match and you you're starting to wear a dude out right are there can you feel it like you feel like he's losing it i can there's been a time like they have to say who if you don't want to but like can you begin to feel i am he's losing his will i'm outwilling this dude right now i'm too much for this dude right now is that happen do you feel it yeah in grand slam tennis i mean it's best of five sets obviously so you can literally my longest match i've ever played is four hours and 58 minutes um like absolute battle in uh down in australia but yeah you can i think mentally um when you're out there for that long on your own you've got no teammates you've got nothing you have some serious conversations with yourself you know on the change events like it's it's a mental warfare usually people have signs physically in that long that they're starting to kind of slow down a bit you know I've played a couple top people in five sets and I look at them and I look at them they're looking at their team and they know that they're physically starting to slow down but I mean the lesson I learned physically was early I was 19 and I was playing the Australian Open and I was one set away from winning and I wasn't physically conditioned yet to win these long matches and I My quad started cramping.

10:23My whole leg started cramping up. And I actually wasn't able to play. And I ended up losing the match. And I was like, that was the conversation I had to do. I'm like, I'm never going to ever lose a match again because I'm physically not ready to win these long, long matches. So it starts with, if you're physically in good shape, I think that actually adds to your mental strength. I think people think that, oh, you've got to be mentally happy first. And I think it's actually incorrect. I think looking after your physical shape is more important first because I think that links to you being like, okay, cool.

10:59I feel good. I look good, and I'm ready to keep going, and I feel better about myself. I think physicality is more important in my opinion. I a million percent agree with you even when it comes to mental health. I think it's hard to talk yourself and think yourself out of a mental situation you're in. I think it's a physical, moving your body, taking a walk, as you said earlier. 100 % working out. You agree with that? I'm big time. I feel like, which more important, the physical or the mental? That's a really hard thing. But if I had to pick one, it would probably be to move my body physically.

11:29That changes my state. Definitely. But you just like, if you, if you feel good and you look good and you're happy with the way you, you know, you, you, you just functioning mentally, that's just, that's just going to, that's going to roll on as well. So most of the people that watch my show, they may or may not know tennis. In fact, I bet 20 % no tennis but they're all people who they're trying to make their dreams come true they're trying to figure out how do they win what really makes them happy you know with getting to the top of something truly make them happy how do they get to the top so let's let's let's unpack that for a minute I'm curious as to your insights about this so you referenced Djokovic arguably the greatest ever I'm a Federer guy but like you know there's something about the mental toughness of Djokovic that strikes me.

12:13You know, he can be down two sets, and to watch this guy come back and rattle off the next three sets, you're like, this guy's getting killed the first two sets. There's something about him. And I'm curious, as your answer, because you said a god like him, but I think most people would say talent-wise, giftedness-wise, you can hit shots that even he can't hit, that you're that type of a level of a physically gifted, talented. So, like, let's say someone's listening to this is in sales right now. They're just really good at sales. But is the separator, do you think, Nick, under pressure, is the love of the game?

12:46Like when you're playing someone like that, what is the difference? He's reached a potential of the most majors ever, and that doesn't seem to have been a priority for you. I'm just curious your insight. Like what is the difference between your level of love for the game potentially under pressure and his? Do you feel it when you're playing someone like that? And what are your insights about that? If you were to give someone the lesson about passion to reach their full potential, what would you say? Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I mean, me and Djokovic, we played on the biggest stage in the world.

13:18You know, we played on the center court of Wimbledon in the biggest, probably most historic and biggest event tennis has to offer. And I feel like the one thing in my experience for that three and a half hours we were on court together was just his, I felt, I almost felt the consistency of his work over the course of his career. I felt like, and I didn't like, I felt like I actually, like from a talent standpoint, I was better at it than him at tennis that, that day, but I still lost. And I felt as if he didn't do anything unbelievably well that day. He just was super composed and he just, I could feel as if the whole lifetime of his work was, was involved in that match.

14:00You know, I won the first set and he didn't seem phased. And as you said, he's been thrown in so many different scenarios, pretty much every different scenario he's been in and he's come out on top so his experience he's been in some like 30 grand slam finals where that was my first one and i felt like his ability to stay in the moment and really trust the process of you know this this hot-headed australian's come out hot but i've been here before and i've i'm gonna steady the ship and i'll put the consistent work in i feel like that for me was the biggest difference his ability to just stay composed and and have faith in the body of work that he'd put in for for two decades so i feel like that was the biggest separator that's exactly why i love this man right there you guys what he just did his level of um honesty and frankly humility it's the thing about you that i didn't see on the surface when i'm like this dude's cocky he's out and then as i've listened to you and some of our friends have told me it takes great humility to say what you just said brother because i know you're a competitor you know everyone kind of just sees what they see on the court and i'm definitely i'll be the first to admit like I'm psychotic and I have an upset set like obsessive personality to win and and and to win dirty like I don't care like I was just taught in my when I was upbringing like losing was not accepted at all so it was just like you either win or you or you lose there's no like good effort or anything it's just so when I'm on court I'm two different people I'm super competitive and I'm I do twist the boundaries and I may cross the line on the court but off the court.

15:30I don't really like, I'm like two different people. It's quite scary.

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16:12Do you think that under pressure at the highest level of business or life, that there's a confidence that came from a dude like him, where I put all this work in behind the scenes, and maybe there's a part of you in your case, where you're like, I know he has, and maybe I didn't. And so under pressure, don't let me speak for you, but under pressure, that was the confidence separator.

16:37I definitely felt that like a zin. Yeah, I mean, I put in the work. Like I was not athletically gifted at all from a young age, like not at all. Like I was overweight and I constantly felt insecure about, you know, my fitness levels when I was in the academy in Australia and I wasn't able to, you know, pass any fitness test. So I knew that I worked extremely hard to get there. But I think what I was thinking about, like, yeah, I was, there was a period of my life in 2019 where I was self-harming and suicidal and I was partying a lot and I was drinking a lot. And I was also competing at the highest level, you know, against, you know, there was a night where I was out till 4am against Rafael Nadal.

17:22And it was a pretty dark time. So I felt like, for me, it was just a bonus to get to that point. Like, to make the final at Wimbledon against Djokovic was like a bonus. For him, it was just like, I was just another ant, like, in his journey to chase a legacy and be one of the best players to ever live. Where for me, like, getting there was already the bonus. you know what i'm saying like yeah everything after that year was just like i made it out of that such a dark period of my life that now i'm like i'm in the finals of wimbledon like this is what like being getting yourself out of a big mental struggle can can lead to where for him it was just like he was chasing like not every person and every athlete could be like the greatest of all time that's just not how it works you're on the area i want to go i think this is the part of the interview everybody where you share it what we're about to talk about uh i think this is where nick helps people in ways that most people don't give him enough credit for which is i want to talk about mental health with you and pressure so i watched that netflix documentary you're in and i was surprised you did grow up as a chubby kid right because i see this like dude that's got swag you know he's got he's got just this cachet about him nick does the way he moves the way he talks he comes across this unbelievably self-confident person and then as i dug into it i'm like wow and by the way correct me if i'm wrong about the severity of it but i'd like you to speak to this for a minute um you actually have struggled with mental health to the extent where like you actually had an alcohol and drug thing you think you had going there for a while is it true that you actually played in Wimbledon after you had harmed yourself or you had to wear a wrap around your arm in a tennis match because there was some self-harming going on and what other things have you struggled is that accurate by the way what I just said that that is true yeah yeah that's amazing to me bro that's amazing and the world did not know that was going on no not at all um yeah that was the that was the main thing i felt like when i was playing like at the top of the sport and and i guess living like an athlete should live at that point no one really expected me to be going through that so um yeah it was hard because i was covered my right arm was covered on like covered with it and i was playing on center quarter women against rafael nadal and i was like i can't go out here with mom looking like this so I wore like a sleeve to cover it all up.

19:40But yeah, like it was just, it was such a hard process because I knew how I was feeling internally and I didn't want to play. And I knew that I was struggling. Even just to wake up and go outside was a task. But then I had to like kind of just, I had the avatar that I had to live up to as well on the other side of it where I had to go out there and play. And it was hard. Yeah, it was really, really hard. Was there a part of you, brother, that you didn't want to be here anymore, that you were suicidal? Oh, definitely. Big time. I felt like no one. I mean, to this day, you know, people still only really want to talk to me because, you know, Nick Kyrgios, the tennis player, the crazy guy who does all this crazy stuff, the talented person.

20:21And it took me a while to understand that that was just a vehicle and one way of communicating who I am as a person. And then I sit down and they get to meet me and it's cool. but I really struggled with the fact that I felt like my, how I was all the time, like 95 % of the time wasn't enough. It was like, no one really gave a shit about who I was and what I had to offer just as a normal human. It was only just about that guy that I saw on the court. And, you know, my family started like, you know, we grew up in a pretty quiet area in Canberra. You know, we weren't rich at all. So it was like, obviously when I started being successful, My family didn't really know how to approach things and how to handle things as well.

21:00So things got different in my family. It was all just a big curveball for me. I wasn't ready to handle that type of success in a way and the fame. So I really struggled with it, yeah. You know, I'm the blessing that I work with several athletes in different sports, golf, MMA, boxers, NFL, MLB. I'm just working with an MLB guy now. And I've got to tell the audience this because Nick is not unique in this, that at the top of everything, even in business, the pressure that comes with that can create or exaggerate mental health issues for a lot of people. It really can. And Nick, I'm sure since you've shared this, you would privately, we would never say who, but I bet other athletes have told you they've struggled with it as well.

21:47And it comes with the pressure of doing something great. so a lot of people listening to this even if they haven't done that yet they're down right now they're they're they feel isolated and alone or misunderstood or even invisible right what would you say to somebody who's going through a time like that or has a loved one in their life who is going through which by the way i think is the majority of people not the minority of people i think mental health is a crisis right now in the world today what what counsel words would you speak to somebody who's just they're just not feeling very good right now yeah i mean look life life's hard it's actually is brutal um and i feel like um the one thing i did that made it worse was was block people out and try and do it on my own i feel like as humans without it's not even how we're supposed to function you know i think you know i blocked out my family i didn't i was very short with my with my good friends that genuinely cared about my well-being and I tried to take it alone head-on and it was just worse I just it was like I was heading into a storm where it was never gonna the outcome was never gonna be good and I was in a um psych ward in in London and um the the day before I played Nadal and I was they wanted me to be admitted admitted into this place for a couple weeks and I was like I can't I have to play in Rafa Nadal in Wimbledon tomorrow that's how bad it was and then I proceeded to lose that match It was very close.

23:13I nearly won somehow. And then, you know, I was partying for like three days straight and I was in bed and my dad sat next to me and he was full blown crying saying, I can't see my son like this anymore. Like it was really bad. And then I basically just, you have to want to fix it. Like I knew that it was an issue. I knew that I was causing stress on my family, my friends, everyone that cared about me. And I knew that I had to fix my habits. And it started with getting up in the morning, like something small, like going for a walk, Like, you know, just like really break it down into how am I going to just change?

23:45It's not going to happen overnight. It took me two years to reach a level where I wanted to actually wake up early in the morning and go for a walk. Like it didn't just happen overnight. But fixing my relationship, my family, my friends, you know, I've got an incredible partner now who's super supportive of me. And we have a great relationship. And it stemmed like I had, I was in my last relationship with my partner. it was so toxic and that was also feeding into it like you just i can't put enough um emphasis on the closest five people around you have to be incredibly positive and want the best out of you and they might make you feel uncomfortable sometimes in the sense like holding you accountable or like wanting you to improve to a sense of being uncomfortable sometimes but those are the only people i have around me now and if they see me slipping back into these habits of of doing some drugs or any of these type of stuff like every now and then like they hold me accountable because I know that a personality like me can slip back into these dark habits and and and it's not fun so wow bro I'm like blown away this is real just so you know when tennis is over this is your calling like part of what you should be doing is this right here impacting people's lives because I don't know if you all hear what he just said he was in a psych ward the night before he's playing Rafa Nadal like Rafa Nadal that's insane to me and so if he can come from where he did and make improvements.

25:07And by the way, I think you'd acknowledge this. I, by the way, have struggled with when to quit something I'm reading. I'm actually, I can't, I can't remember the title of the book, but I'm actually reading a book about right now. It's essentially it's, how do you know when to quit or quitting? And for me, it's physical health. I'm just doing too many things that have impacted my, my life physically to the point where something has to go away. Right. And this is in my life. I'm being real honest with everybody here today. and that's affected you know different areas of my life i wonder if you've navigated that question like when is it okay to quit you know when is it okay to take a break and how do you know that and it's one of the great questions in life you know is that we're always climbing for more and more and more and sometimes i think you have to audit whether your original dream is your dream in him you know and if you're going about it the right way i'm just curious your thoughts about that you're smiling i mean that's that's it's just like i guess that's the common kind of struggle that i guess you've dealt with it i've dealt with it and i actually asked you know gary this jay shetty this gordon ramsay all of these amazingly successful people that have insane work ethics by the way like and i go to them do you ever just like sit back and and actually just pause for a second and see what you've achieved and what you've done and and none of them like say like no they just do it and then they don't even like have time to appreciate what they do they just go to the next thing and they do it and i'm just like and i sit there internally i'm like man that's just like when's enough enough as in like you know you've probably got enough money to be good for your future generation it's just like now like but you just there's something inside you i'm sure it's the same with you you just want to like go to you want to wake up tomorrow and keep going in the gym.

26:58You want to stay motivated. I just don't know if work-life balance exists. I don't have the answers for this question because it's like the more successful or the more things I achieve or the more things I'm able to dabble in, I want to do more. It's just like, I don't know. It's an addition. I'm not sure. I don't have the answers for it. I can't help you with that one. Well, I'm addicted to the expansion of my being. I'm addicted to the expansion of my being. I don't even think you have to have the answer. The reason I asked it to you is I think it's powerful to ask yourself the question though and just contemplating in your life you know is this where i want to be is this what i want to continue to do and i think that's a healthy thing i think sometimes we think it's a weakness to ask it's a weakness to inquire i'm 53 years old in a month i've made you know lots of money in my life i've had the ability to achieve a lot of different things yeah there is a point in your life where priorities change and i don't and it's just worth checking in with yourself are these still my priorities i think is the question and it's it's different for every single person and i wanted to ask you that today because it's something that i know a lot of people ask themselves it's true in the relationship they're in it's true in the business they've started it could be in a sport that they're in i get asked this by athletes all the time and you don't want to ever get outside of something and go man i could have gotten more out of that i regret i didn't go a little bit more yeah right there's a part of that there's a part of me though that i've also struggled with as i've climbed higher and higher there's been a i think i just i'm the son of an alcoholic and so i think i've always struggled with a little bit of imposter syndrome in the sense that i'm sort of that do you yeah just like i never i never feel like i never feel like i'd like it's very strange for me to even be talking to you or something like i just i don't feel as if i don't take myself seriously at all in the sense like I just yeah I feel like every every time I'm in a room with someone that's you know that's ever achieved something great or like I don't feel like I deserve to be there either I don't know it's a weird feeling what do you think it comes from being a heavy kid do you think it's how you grew up yeah I think so I mean I just the only reason I ever wanted to start playing tennis and and become one of the best was just to show that an average person like me like an overweight kid that lived in Canberra Australia was able to go out there and beat some of the greatest of all time that's all i wanted to show i just wanted to show that the average person like if you really just put your mind onto something you can you can do it that's it that was my goal yourself a little bit with that belief nick like do you think there's been some sabotaging unconsciously that took place either where whether your preparation or something on the court or just a thought when you're out there if you're being honest that um affected your performance based on that imposter syndrome?

29:48I think so. I think if I was a bit more like, honestly, if I was a bit more selfish and I was a bit more like, I guess, more orientated to doing the best for my career, my training and not like helping other people or being there for others as much. I definitely feel like I could have had way more success in my career. But that success doesn't outweigh for me the success like yesterday, two days ago, I had a foundation day in my hometown. And there was over 1 ,200 kids in my tennis center that I grew up in. For me, that success outweighs the success of winning a Grand Slam and being more selfish and being more involved in my own career.

30:27Because one of the best things when I opened up about my self-harming and my suicidal thoughts was the amount of people that messaged me on social media that I've got their numbers now, I stay in contact with, I call them. And it's like that for me has been the most powerful thing in my career it's not about the trophies it's about and that's my point I think that's the answer of why when when are we going to stop when are we going to quit I think you shouldn't because of all these things that you're doing and achieving and your platform and you're growing your being you're you're you're just spreading your awareness of helping others and I think that is for me like that's what keeps me going to be honest like me being able to show up for two hours at a tennis center and kids are going crazy and gets them to want to be active and play tennis and who cares about if they're good or not.

31:10It's the fact that they feel like they mean something for that little period of time. I had Deion Sanders on a few weeks ago, Coach Prime, and he was talking about a stage of his life where he was suicidal, believe it or not, maybe the greatest defensive player to ever play football, right? And he was talking about he had had everything he wanted. He had a bunch of money. He had the mansion. He had the success. He had all these things, and he said, and then I just was miserable. And I said the power in sharing that, and this is a lesson for everybody, as I said, in life, we're most qualified to help the person we used to be.

31:49And if you're willing to share, this is who I used to be, or even him sometimes still, but I'm a work in progress. Being willing to reveal your imperfections with people is what really connects with you. And to be honest with you, I'm a big fan of Federer. I'm a big fan. I loved Bjorn Borg when he played. and, you know, a huge tennis fan. But there's something about you and your vulnerability and your authenticity that connects me with you differently, that you're not Superman. You're a real man. No, I'm not. Yeah. And to me that you're stumbling on to the greatest part of your life right now, bro.

32:25And the other people that are listening to this, if you're willing to be vulnerable and authentic with who you really are, whatever you really believe in, whatever you really stand for, whatever your fears are, your weaknesses, your failures, your shortcomings, you're going to find that the more you reveal that, the more you connect with people and the more that you can help them. And the more you improve as well, like you improve, like there's no, like I go into places sometimes and I, the person I'm in the room with can be rich, powerful, whatever, famous, but they're not willing to even just admit where they have flaws.

32:56And, and I just know like he's stunting the growth of becoming more of of who he is as a person and i just like i love it like when i'll be the first like people think like i love it for the first people people think that i'm like super confident all the time like whatever all these great things and i'm like right they're like that's not me at all like i this is what i'm good at these are my points where i can improve on and that's how you can you just set it that's how you connect with people and that's what that's why i love doing these things now because i think people are starting to understand that i'm completely different for how the image has been painted out for so long.

33:30The thing that worries me is when you have somebody who's already struggling with their self-belief, this is you here. I want you to talk about this. So you're already struggling. Like when I was coming up in business, my main struggle was working on me to the point where I believed in myself enough so that I could achieve. I always say that your identity, and I've watched this with you, brother. I think you'll relate to this. Your identity, your self-worth, the things you really truly believe about yourself, it's like a thermostat setting on your life. So like in the theater right now in my studio, it's 72 degrees in here.

34:03And what happens in life that if your results start to heat up past what you believe in yourself, so you get 80, 90, 95, you subconsciously turn the air conditioners on of your life and cool it back down to what you believe you're worth. And I really believe in your case, like this is a man with 150 degrees worth of ability and potential, but there's this kid in there still that sometimes is at 72 and 75 degrees and that thermostat setting comes back on so i spent most of my time working on that i still work on it and when you lump on to that person who's already struggling so it's a lot of people listening to this they're already struggling with their self-belief and then they have criticism in your case like flat out haters so that combination It's like for me coming up, it was the worst possible.

34:50I'm already trying to increase my thermostat setting. I'm not one of these naturally confident guys. Right. So I'm already working on that. And then you heap onto me some form of criticism. It was like massively difficult combination for me. And then in your case, it's public criticism. So how do you deal with that, brother? Because you're already struggling internally as this guy who's like, man, I'm this heavyset kid. I'm from a regular place. I'm an average dude. And then now there's criticism and haters. Educate us on how you have tried to deal with that and what advice you would give to any human being who's dealing.