636: (Solo) The Facebook Ads Metrics That Actually Matter When Scaling

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The Foundr Podcast: Episode 636 Summary

Podcast Overview Title: The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan Description: The Foundr Podcast features open conversations with entrepreneurs, offering insights, proven methods, and stories to accelerate growth in the entrepreneurial space.

Host Introduction Nathan Chan, CEO of Foundr, transitioned from a 9-5 job to becoming a leader in entrepreneurial education, helping aspiring entrepreneurs to start and scale their businesses.

Episode Details Episode Title: 636: (Solo) The Facebook Ads Metrics That Actually Matter When Scaling Description: Nathan Chan discusses the critical metrics for effectively scaling Facebook ads, emphasizing a comprehensive view beyond traditional metrics like Return on Ad Spend (ROAS).

Key Themes and Takeaways

  1. Understanding Scaling in Facebook Ads
  2. Traditional belief: Finding one winning ad and increasing the budget.
  3. Reality: Successful scaling requires a comprehensive understanding of various metrics beyond just ROAS and conversion rates.
  1. The Three Buckets of Metrics

Nathan outlines the core metrics to track for effective scaling, categorized into three buckets:

A. Traffic Metrics

  • Cost per 1000 Impressions (CPM): Indicates audience targeting cost.
  • Click-Through Rate (CTR): Measures engagement of creatives.
  • Cost per Click (CPC): Indicates cost efficiency in attracting visitors.

> Recommendation: Focus on improving creative elements (hooks, headlines) if metrics are off.

B. Creative and Conversion Metrics

  • Return on Ad Spend (ROAS): Traditional metric for gauging ad performance.
  • Marketing Efficiency Ratio (MER): Preferred metric that comprehensively assesses true profitability.
  • Metrics related to landing page performance (e.g., conversion rates).

> Action Point: Enhance landing page design and user experience to improve conversion rates.

C. Business and Profit Metrics

  • Key factors: Profit margin, average order value, lifetime value, and blended ROAS.
  • Understanding the impact of margins and shipping costs on profitability is crucial.

> Warning: Scaling at 2x ROAS without understanding underlying costs can lead to financial losses.

  1. Operator's Mindset
  2. Emphasizes the need for a broader view of metrics, including blended ROAS and lifetime value.
  3. Operators should focus on business fundamentals rather than just platform-reported metrics.
  1. Common Pitfalls
  2. Not tracking essential business metrics can lead to poor decision-making and wasted ad spend.
  3. Failing to know break-even points and how discounts affect average order values can be detrimental.

Conclusion Nathan encourages listeners who might be struggling with ad scaling or are hitting a revenue ceiling to reassess these metrics and consider joining the Foundr Operators membership for personalized guidance.

Call to Action Listeners are invited to apply for the Foundr Operators program aimed at helping serious entrepreneurs scale their businesses effectively.

Contact Information

  • Nathan welcomes feedback via email: nathan@foundr.com

Additional Resources

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  • Foundr+ Membership: Access to advanced strategies from successful founders.

Social Media Links

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Understanding Facebook Ads Metrics

1:04 to 2:18

Learn the importance of metrics for scaling Facebook ads effectively.

“Operators, which is a membership where we have Nick Shackelford as one of our operators in residence, I've had the chance to see behind the scenes of hundreds of direct-to-consumer brands.”

The Three Metrics Buckets for Success

2:18 to 3:55

Explore the three key buckets of metrics: traffic, offer, and creative/conversion metrics.

“And if you are interested in working with us and applying to our Founder Operators membership, you go to founder.com forward slash operator.”

Traffic Metrics Explained

3:55 to 7:19

Deep dive into traffic metrics and their impact on ad performance.

“So your CPM, So that's your cost per 1 ,000 impressions.”

Business and Profit Metrics for Scaling

7:19 to 9:31

Understand crucial business metrics that determine scalability and profitability.

“So this is also part of an operator's mindset.”
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0:01Hey founder fam, I want to talk to you about something super exciting. We're officially partnered with OmniSend, the email marketing and SMS platform built specifically for e-commerce founders. We've been recommending OmniSend to founder students for a while now because it just works. Whether you're launching your first store or you're scaling to seven figures, it really helps you automate your marketing and get real results. Did you know on average OmniSend customers make$68 for every$1 they spend, which is an insanely good return on investment. And because you're part of the founder community, you get 50 % off your first three months with the code FOUNDER50.

0:39Just head to OmniSend.com forward slash founder without the E to get started. All right, now let's jump back into the show. Hey Founder fam, Nathan here. Welcome back to another Founder to Founder episode. So guys, if you're running Facebook ads or thinking about diving into them or you're stuck wondering why things aren't scaling, this episode is for you. Now over the past decade at Founder and now especially through our new product Founder Operators, which is a membership where we have Nick Shackelford as one of our operators in residence, I've had the chance to see behind the scenes of hundreds of direct-to-consumer brands.

1:20And let me tell you, the ones that scale, they all have one thing in common. They obsess over their numbers. Like Nick, you know, he's a partner at Brez and he's taken that business from zero to 70 million US dollars in two years. He was showing me a brand that he was working with. He's only been working with them for 45 days and he scaled them from$20 ,000 a day in paid advertising spend. that's US dollars, 20 ,000 a day to 200 to 250, sometimes 300 ,000 US dollars a day. And one thing I've found is, you know, he is so big on knowing the metrics and it's not just ROAS. It's not just conversion rates.

2:01It's definitely not just the data you see in the Facebook ads manager. It's about understanding the full picture from traffic to creative to your business economics. So today I really want to break that down for you, those core metrics you need to watch like a hawk if you want to scale your Facebook ads. And if you are interested in working with us and applying to our Founder Operators membership, you go to founder.com forward slash operator. I'll tell you about that a little more later.

2:28Nathan Chan:Hear the stories, learn the proven methods and accelerate your growth and future through entrepreneurship. Welcome to the Founder Podcast with Nathan Chan. let's start with this most people think about scaling as finding that one winning ad and then just spending more behind it but that's not how it works especially not anymore scaling successfully means really understanding how to balance out multiple pillars so it's about traffic quality it's about creative performance it's your conversions your offer strategy as well and your business economics. So think of AOV, profits, margin. So when it comes to buying media like paid advertising, like Facebook ads, Google ads, TikTok ads, all that kind of stuff, when it comes to your media buying strategy, you need to think like an operator, not just a marketer.

3:25And we've spent upwards of a million dollars a month at Founder as well. So, you know, I am not masterful on the Facebook ads platform around how to actually buy ads and all that kind of stuff and all the tactics and tricks. But I know my numbers and I think the best operators know how to scale. So when it comes down to breaking it down into three buckets of metrics you should be tracking to scale up your performance. I'm going to start with the traffic. I'm going to break it down into these three buckets. So the first one is the traffic metric. So your CPM, So that's your cost per 1 ,000 impressions.

4:04Is your audience too expensive? Your CTR, which is your click-through rate, is your creative actually engaging? Your CPC, which is your cost per click. You know, are you paying too much to get someone to your site? And if your CTR is low, say under 1%, your ads are not going to be hooking people. If your CPM is high, maybe your targeting is too narrow. and if you're struggling with any of these three my recommendation is to focus on you know improving hooks headlines thumb stopping creative you know launching more creative like i've seen it's fascinating i've seen you know funnels where we're spending ten thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars a day the difference a couple of or even just one good creative makes and it really changes the game i've also seen the difference of targeting really really narrowly and you know just cost absolutely blowing out.

4:58So it really depends on your traffic metrics. These are your leading indicators on whether the platform's working or not. And then, you know, also you need to think about your offer, right? Your offer is a big, big piece of the puzzle, right? If your offer isn't landing, you're going to see pretty quickly. The marketplace is going to tell you because I've seen products where if you get the product right fundamentally and you crack the offer, all of a sudden CTR is really strong. Your cost per click is really strong and you can go broad from an advertising perspective and the platforms will actually just go out and find those people for you.

5:37Then we get to the creative and conversion metrics, right? This is where most people focus, but it's still only just a part of the story. we've got ROAS, which is return on ad spend. You can look at MER, which is what we like to look at as well. So that's your total advertising spend against your sales. So your marketing efficiency ratio. So we prefer to look at MER because what we find is the platforms as amazing as they are, the multi-touch, you know, somebody sees an ad, they click on it, but then they might buy on mobile, like all these different things, right? So they might follow you, like the user journey is so crazy.

6:18So if you look at just your marketing spend as an overall, I think it's a better metric, but ROAS is one that you can look at as two as a leading indicator, but we like to look at MER, marketing efficiency ratio, and then landing page conversion rate, right? Your landing page, what's your conversion rate for your store, your add to cart rate or initiate checkout rate. So if you're seeing you know a high click-through rate but no conversions your offer or your page is likely your issue not your ads right so if a lot of people are moving through but a lot of people aren't buying you need to look at refining your offer fixing your landing page looking at the speed using tools like hot jar to see where people drop off and then i can't stress this enough i have seen businesses double in revenue just from making a few tweaks to your landing page can like It's crazy.

7:09And then if you double your conversion rate, you effectively half your cost to acquire a customer. It's a really amazing thing. Then we've got our business and profit metrics. So this is also part of an operator's mindset. And this is the stuff that actually determines if you can scale and if you have a profitable path to scale. So we've got profit margin, average order value, lifetime value, blended ROAS, so ad Ad spend, MER versus total revenue and then contribution margin. This is where a lot of people fall over because you might be scaling with a 2x ROAS, but if your margins are tiny or your shipping costs are wild, the bottom line is you're not making money.

7:49And my advice is really to make sure you are running the numbers, knowing your break even on your return on ad spend, your break even MER. know how discounts affect AOV and track your blended ROAS, not just platform reported metrics because this is a trap many of us fall into. And this is exactly what we teach you in founder operators. This is our high level membership for D2C founders that are doing at least a couple of hundred grand,$250 ,000 a year and are ready to scale. Nick Shack, who you probably know, who's a partner at Brez, is America's best selling cannabis drink and he's an absolute killer when it comes to meta ads he's our operator in residence for founder operators and he's really the mastermind really going to be helping all of you guys scale so if you are interested in getting help scaling your ads scaling your e-commerce brand you've got product market fit you're doing at least 20 to 30 000 a month we would welcome your application to founder operators it's pretty exclusive we are launching it very very soon but we're looking for 50 members and it's going to be a super exclusive community of like-minded operators and we've got some crazy software that can really help you track your spend and really your daily profit your weekly profit all sorts of things really help you know your numbers if you're not getting the results you want from your marketing agency if you are not getting the results you want from your ads and you're feeling like you're flying blind, then this is an incredible community to be a part of.

9:27And I think you'll love it. So make sure you apply. We'd love to see your application. If you're part of the FounderFam, we are opening very, very soon. And I'm super excited to partner with Nick and provide this level of service to our advanced members and our people that are looking to scale up in our community. So thanks for tuning in, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Go out and get it. Let's scale up. Let's make 2026 our best year yet. Alright, I'll speak to you soon.

From the publisher

Most founders think scaling Facebook ads is about finding one winning ad and spending more behind it. But that's not how it works — especially not anymore.

Here's the truth: the brands that scale obsess over the numbers. Not just ROAS. Not just conversion rate. And definitely not just the data inside Facebook Ads Manager. They understand the full picture — from traffic to creative to business economics. And after watching Nick Shackelford scale a brand from $20K/day to $250K/day in ad spend in just 45 days, I know exactly which metrics separate the operators from the marketers.

In this episode, I break down the core metrics you need to watch like a hawk if you want to scale profitably. This is what we teach inside Foundr Operators, and it's the difference between burning cash and building a real, scalable business.

Here's what you'll take away:

The three buckets of metrics every operator tracks: traffic, creative & conversion, and business & profit

Why CPM, CTR, and CPC are your leading indicators — and what to do when they're off

How your offer impacts every metric from click-through rate to conversion rate

Why MER (marketing efficiency ratio) is a better metric than ROAS for understanding true profitability

The fatal mistake: scaling at 2x ROAS without knowing your margins, shipping costs, or contribution margin

How doubling your landing page conversion rate can literally cut your CAC in half

The operator's mindset: tracking blended ROAS, break-even points, and lifetime value — not just platform-reported metrics

If you're stuck wondering why your ads aren't scaling, flying blind without an agency you trust, or hitting a ceiling at $20-30K/month, this episode will show you exactly what to fix.

If you're loving this solo series, I'd love to hear your feedback. Email me directly at nathan@foundr.com — I read every reply. Hope you enjoy it.

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