6. Discount Promotions | $100M Lost Chapters Audiobook

14 Nov 2025 · 14 min

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Episode Overview In this episode, Alex Hormozi discusses the effective use of discount promotions in business, particularly how they can attract customers and drive sales. He shares insights and frameworks for structuring discount offers to maximize their impact and explains the pros and cons associated with discount promotions.

Key Concepts and Structure

Importance of Discount Promotions

  • Purpose: Designed to drive action from potential customers who may not otherwise engage with the product or service.
  • Offering Structure: Discounts should make up a component of the offering rather than being the core of the business model.

Four Ways to Display Discounts

  1. Percentage Off: E.g., “87% off first visit.”
  2. Absolute Amounts Off: E.g., “$181 off first visit, normally $210.”
  3. Relative Equivalent Off: E.g., “Save a steak dinner.”
  4. Simply the Discounted Price: E.g., “$29 new client special.”
  • Testing Variations: Different formats resonate differently with audiences, so it’s essential to test which one yields the best results.

Pros of Discount Offers

  1. Legal Compliance: In some regions, discount offers are more compliant than free offers, allowing for broader marketing strategies.
  2. Revenue Generation: Collecting payment for discounted services helps with upfront cash flow.
  3. Customer Investment: Customers coming in with an expectation to pay are often more engaged and ready to buy.
  4. Two-Step Sales Process: Discounts facilitate easier follow-up sales and reduce no-show rates.
  5. Ease of Upselling: Having a card on file simplifies the upselling process, as there’s less friction in completing future purchases.

Cons of Discount Offers

  1. Risks of Devaluation: Overusing discounts can lead to customers expecting them and undervaluing the core offer.
  2. Bargain Hoppers: Discounts may attract customers who are only looking for low prices without interest in the main offering.
  3. Customer Qualification: Customers attracted by discounts should be viewed as leads rather than core clients, necessitating a structured approach to convert them.

Conclusion on Discount Promotions

  • Discount offers can be powerful tools for lead generation and customer engagement but must be used strategically to avoid undermining the primary business model.
  • They are particularly effective in well-understood service markets, where potential customers have a clear price range and expectations.
  • A successful acquisition strategy requires a focus on generating flow, monetizing that flow, and then adding friction where necessary.

Final Thoughts

  • Understanding customer needs and behaviors is crucial for leveraging discount promotions effectively.
  • The ability to articulate and structure offers based on customer knowledge provides a competitive advantage in business.

Key Takeaways

  • Discounts should be part of a broader strategy, not the sole focus.
  • Test various discount formats to find the most effective presentation.
  • Use discounts to generate initial leads while focusing on upselling in subsequent interactions.
  • Structure offers intelligently to qualify leads and convert them into loyal customers.

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By following this comprehensive framework, businesses can utilize discount promotions effectively to boost customer engagement and drive sales.

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0:29Discount promotions. Those are the types of numbers that people respond to. And they drive action from a population that otherwise wouldn't act. And that's what you have to accomplish with free or discount offer. It has to get people who wouldn't otherwise consider it to respond. No, most of the time when talking about discount offers, they will only make up a component of your offering, not the entire thing. While there are a handful of notable exceptions, in most instances, a discount offer is a piece of the thing, not the entire thing. With hope, that makes sense. If it doesn't, the examples will illustrate it.

0:57Four ways to display discounts. So let's imagine we start a lemonade stand. I say to you, I want to try one of these discount offers out. What do you think? I think we'll be able to get more people to respond to my efforts with some sort of discount, but I don't know where to start. You might say, great question. You're going to have to test it, but I'll show you my framework that I use to test discounts. It'll automatically get you thinking differently about how to display offers from here on out. You see, there are four ways you can display a discount. Knowing them is important. People respond differently to the same discount displayed differently.

1:25There are probably others, but these are the four that I find most common and have been tested and used effectively. Let's look at our own business and try all four. You'll notice that sometimes it fits and other times it doesn't. Whether we are selling something premium or in higher volume, the price of the offer many times informs what will make the most sense for us. Let's imagine we have an ultimate lemonade bundle that is three bottles a day for$30. The numbers don't matter, by the way. Well, that's what we're gonna promote four different ways. New client special, first week of lemonade, $29 instead of$210.

1:57Number one, percentage off. New client special, 87 % off first visit. Number two, absolute amounts off. $181 off first visit, normally$210. Number three, relative equivalent off. A, save a steak dinner. B, less than going out to lunch. Four, simply the discounted price. $29 new client special. Do you see how different all these look and feel, it's the same exact promotion, just communicated differently. By cycling through all four, you can test which resonates best in your audience. If you find multiple winners, even better. It gives you more bullets in the chamber when a promotion fatigues. Before you just read to the next section, think about other ways you could use a discount for your own offer.

2:41Just do the exercise in your head and flex your brain muscle. Pro tip, use absolute prices when talking about understood products and services. In order for a simple discounted price with no other elements around it. To be effective, the service will usually have to be one that's well understood. People should already have an idea of what it costs. This is where discounts do well. If you discount something that people don't understand, the offer won't be effective. The only way around this would be to state the price, then state the discount, like in the absolute amount off example. An example that would not work with this would be 50 % off agency retainer.

3:15No one knows what the agency does or how, and agencies have a wide range of costs, so there would likely be a better offer that could be made that would be more easily understood. Just like before, we're going to flip roles and have you explain the pros and cons of discounts to me as though we were considering it for our business. Pros of discount offers. Me. But wait, so now I know how to display discount offers, but why would I choose a discount offer over a free offer to get more leads, if free is the most powerful? You. There are a host of benefits that discounts get that free offers don't provide.

3:45You must match the right tool for the job. Let me explain. Number one, lots of cheap leads within the law. Me, so it's illegal to market free stuff? You, of course not. But in some countries, if you have any stipulations or creative offers around free, they are forbidden. Discount offers allow us to advertise compliantly and still generate a decent amount of lead volume. This is especially true when compared to a premium offer, the only other alternative. Me, got it. So it allows me to market in ways that otherwise wouldn't and still get good lead volume. Note, if you're in a heavily regulated industry, state or country, then a discount offer may be the right thing for your business.

4:19Number two, you actually collect some money. Me. So we collect money for people who buy the discount, but won't that not amount to much? You. Correct. It won't amount to much money, but it can still help liquidate acquisition costs. But we will never build our business to use this money as the real way that we're liquidating our costs. This is just the first way for us to attract and transact with a customer. Me. Got it. So I can collect some cash up front I otherwise wouldn't, which is nice, but I shouldn't rely on it to fund my marketing efforts. Bingo. Number three, people come in expecting to spend some sort of money.

4:53Me. So I guess the difference between these leads and free leads is that these folks at least expect to pay for something, so it won't be a shock for them. You. Honestly, this is more of a mental benefit than anything in my opinion. Many business owners and or employees have crazy limiting beliefs around selling and consumer buying behavior. Not you, of course. So giving them something where they feel like the prospects are coming in or opting in ready to spend money makes them more invested in the selling process. Close rates on the initial discount tend to be higher, but still the same on upselling the core offer to the individual, which really becomes the quote second sale.

5:27Me, got it. So the discount is really for me and my team more than the actual benefit. And we're still going to have to focus on the second sale, which is where all the money is really made. Pro tip. This is mostly due to conviction of the salesperson, not because people are inherently more willing. A good salesman will sell the same percentage of free versus non-free leads, assuming the funnels and sales environment are the same. We have tested this four separate times in our business. I've tested so many times because it still continues to amaze me. But for whatever reason, it makes people feel better about selling just fine.

5:58This is especially important when you're dealing with small business owners with limiting beliefs. Sometimes you just have to meet them halfway. Number four, the two-step sale, probably the biggest benefit. Me. So if I'm doing some sort of discount, I can collect their card over the phone and it's an easy sale. It paves the way for me making future sales more seamless and I can charge penalties for other things I may need them to do or adhere to during the sales process. You. Exactly. If utilizing discount offers for lead generation, they can help eliminate things like no-shows. This is important when you have a service where the time or cost of the individual is real, like a doctor's time.

6:32You want to eliminate no-shows as much as possible. Utilizing a discount offer over free offer solves that problem for the most part because people will typically show up for things they pay for, at least 85 or 90 % or more. For us, if we want to use this in our lemonade business, we can set up a follow-up call in seven days after their discounted period is over to see what they think. We can say that if they don't show up to this appointment, we charge them sort of fee to make sure they show up. We can use this strategy as part of a two-step sales process beautifully, which in my opinion is probably the primary reason we use discounts.

7:01Me. So if I want people to do multiple things before I sell them something more expensive. Having a discount front end makes sure that they'll do it and gives me an easy way to create initial trust to lead to future upsells seamlessly. I like it. Number five, discount offers make upsells smooth as butter. Me. So now I have the person's card on file from the first transaction. I can just ask them, do you want to use the card you have on file for my next upsell? That's so easy and seamless. You. Yes, the whole point is we give something super valuable away that's not our core offer for an insane discount with the intention of getting leads and getting a card over the phone to get the thing at a designated time.

7:38The prospect then comes in at the designated time and is upsold something far more expensive after receiving the initial thing. An example of a two-step sale would be us giving away heavy metals test consultations for$19 and then upselling the prospect into a$2 ,100 10-week lemonade detox plan once we meet with them. So it would look like this. There'd be an ad, there'd be an opt-in, which would lead to a phone call for$19 for the promotion. We'd set the appointment. The person would show up for the$19 appointment, they would get value, they would schedule a follow-up for a$2 ,100 treatment program sale, and then they'd show up at the second appointment and get sold.

8:13You'd be amazed at how many more people will buy when they don't have to take their card out. It's why Amazon's one-click purchasing, Disney's money wristband, and so many other institutions attempt to eliminate this friction. They know they'll buy more, so this is us using that to our advantage. Me, got it. And it would help me get around the pesky I forgot my card at home obstacles because I already have their card on file. Pro tip, it's easier to upsell than to sell. Some people call this the foot in the door principle. Basically, once you get someone to buy something, even a small item, the likelihood they buy from you again goes way up.

8:45Discounts as a front end give you this benefit. It allows you to turn prospects into customers, an important shift. Then you can upsell those customers into your main offer with the added benefit of a card on file close and some built-in trust from whatever you delivered with your discount offer. Author note, add steps as price and complexity increase. The more complex the thing you sell is, or the higher the price, the more time a prospect will need to spend with you in order to buy. You can do this all at once, think a weekend seminar, or over time, think multiple sales calls or making content.

9:16Both work. If you're having a conversion issue, you may simply be spending too little time with a prospect before asking for the sale. Pro tip, give away lower cost time if you can. The other way of solving this problem, my preference, is to not give away the doctor's time and instead operationally fix the first visit so it's something a front desk admin or an assistant can handle. This would be like a prospect coming in for braces, filling out all the required information, taking x-ray pictures, applying for financing, and everything else that needs to be done. This allows the business to use the doctor's time on only the most qualified candidates.

9:50Typically, once the person has come in, you can set the follow-up appointment for the sale. By doing this, you eliminate the cost of no-shows while also pre-qualifying all candidates and putting them in the best situation to say yes when they come in the next time. In person, you could also easily close a card for a no-show fee on the next visit. This all but ensures the person will show ready to buy. I call this strategy the proprietary five-minute appointment method. Feel free to swipe it. If desired, the doc can squeeze the person in between appointments for five minutes just to say hello and set up the next in-depth appointment where a treatment plan will be recommended and sold.

10:22This will allow them to be able to take appointments all the time instead of during a less than desirable tiny window of time for quote new patients. Increasing the available time slots for appointments will improve the percentage of people who schedule more than just about anything. Cons of discount offers. Number one, giving away the farm. Me. But aren't we giving away the farm with this discount offer? You. Well, it depends what we're discounting. If we always discount our core offer, then people will become trained to buy only a discount at times. No bueno. This is why we aren't going to use this as our business model, just a way to acquire customers.

10:53The only time where true discounts on core offer works is to have our pricing models to wildly increase your prices during the quote regular season and live off the discounting. Clothing retailers live this model, but again, it can become a double-edged sword. That's why we're going to splinter our offer into tiny pieces and just give a core component at a discount, not the whole farm. Me. Ah, got it. So we're just going to give away a sliver as value to get the card so we can up somewhere later, not making it our entire business. Number two, bargain hoppers. Me. Won't this attract bargain hoppers like freebie seekers?

11:26You. Again, this comes down to what we're giving away. This was the quote issue with Groupon back in the day. People started to notice that these customers had no desire to buy the main thing. But most of the businesses that complained about this did not know how to structure their offers to automatically qualify prospects to become customers of their core offer. We shouldn't see people as customers if they buy the discount. We should see them as qualified leads. But we can resolve both of these issues with intelligent offer structure, which I'll cover in the advanced offer stacking section, section C.

11:53Me, got it. These are really just opportunities for us to upsell. And if we structure it right, there's nothing unqualified about these folks. Heck, I buy discounts sometimes, then want more. Discount offers conclusion. In my opinion, discount offers can be used with great effectiveness on the front end or the back end. These can massively increase the take rate on all offers. These are wildly powerful, I cannot overstate this. In my experience, as a front-end offer, discounts tend to work better with well-understood services like dentists, chiropractors, gyms, haircuts, etc. People have price ranges they understand so that discounts can be attractive to them to generate inquiries.

12:26It must be something that people would value receiving a discount from. If a customer doesn't know what they're getting, a discount on it doesn't really make much sense because they have nothing to compare it to. So if you're in a well-understood market or of a service that is well-understood, discount offers can be powerful on the front-end. The other main benefit is that discounts almost entirely eliminate no-shows. Attract section conclusion, brass tacks. If you're not getting enough response, you probably need to make your front end more appealing. We need to give people who otherwise wouldn't respond a reason to do so.

12:53Enhancing your Grand Slam offer with a free or discount front end is the fastest way to do that. This applies whether you are just figuring out your first acquisition channel or you're adding an additional acquisition channel. Always remember, generate flow, monetize flow, then add friction. In that order, I said it in the beginning. I almost always start with a free or massively discounted offer so that I have something to benchmark and then improve upon. Fundamentally, to make this process work, you must know your business and your product better than your customers do. Why? Because all businesses capitalize on an information advantage.

13:22As in, we know more about our customers' problems than they do. We capitalize on this advantage by making them aware of all the other problems they're going to encounter on their journey, then capitalizing on that through upsells. This is how you design a winning acquisition strategy.

13:39Thank you.

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