Chloe Fineman x Gwyneth Paltrow: Mastering Impressions, Being Multi-Dimensional, and Embracing the Unexpected

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1:48This is the Goop Podcast. bringing together thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders, and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers, and seekers here to start conversations because simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world. Here we go. Hi everyone, and welcome to the Goop podcast. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow, and today I'm catching up with the insanely talented Chloe Fineman. You know her from her spot-on impressions and hilarious sketches on Saturday Night Live. But today we're diving into Chloe's journey into comedy, the magic and madness of SNL, and the wellness rituals that keep her grounded.

2:31With both of our hectic schedules, we're squeezing in this conversation on the go as I drive her to rehearsals at 30 Rock in New York. So let's get into it.

2:43Hey Google, take us to Rockefeller Center. Sure, Rockefeller Center. Okay. Okay. Oh, and just a little bit of traffic. Oh. Oh. You are on the fastest route despite heavier than usual traffic. Okay. You should reach your destination by 1.32pm. How many years have you been on SNL now? This is my sixth year. Sixth year? Yeah, it feels like it went by really fast, but also because we had COVID for a lot of it. Of course. But yeah, it's absolutely insane. I'm like a senior. How did you get the job? Gosh, I was in LA doing Groundlings. Yeah. And deeper than that, I was single and was using Instagram to like attract men.

3:32And I wanted to date someone funny. So I was like putting on a lot of like weird comedy stuff because I didn't want to do Tinder. And then like a good strategy. Yeah. I was like, I'll find the right person. And so started doing that and then like found out I could do impressions. And then it sort of like snowballed. Wait, you didn't know you could do impressions before you started trying to pick up men? No. In your whole life? I could do like like a Hebrew school teacher. That was like a thing. What's that one? A weird Hungarian rabbi that my friend, he was like, talk like this.

4:10And he was like, he'd take us and get tuna melt. So my friends all made fun of teachers and stuff.

4:21And then it snowballed. Yeah, because I got into comedy really late in life. How late? Like 27. That's so inspiring. Hey, thanks. It is because I hear like so many women are like, I don't know. I don't know. You know, and I want to follow a dream and I don't know if I should. Yeah. What's your feeling? Well, I feel like like I literally went here. I went to NYU right here. OK. And did classical theater and thought I would be like an indie drama girl. Right. And then it just like it wasn't fun. And then I also feel like women in comedy have always existed, but there was sort of like a renaissance.

5:00I don't know, maybe like 10 years ago when I... With who? Like, who were you looking at? Well, I always like worship Margaret Cho, but I feel like after Bridesmaids came out, like I remember seeing that in the theater and being like, I didn't know we could do that. Oh. And yeah, it was like amazing. And then, you know, like Amy Schumer and Kristen and like Ali Wong standup specials. Like women were like dirty and special. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the first impression that you did where you thought, oh, this is like, was it on Instagram? Because I remember during COVID, I found you on and you got me through COVID with those impressions on Instagram.

5:42You commenting got me through COVID. My best friend and I were like, oh my God. Oh my God. So what was the one that sort of cracked it open? I mean, I really feel like it was probably Drew Barrymore. Yeah, that one is a classic. That's an easy one. being from California, she sounds a lot like a lot of my friends, like we're those girls, except like you just like add a list, but there you go. How do you study? Like what is, I don't, I don't think I can do impressions. I've never really tried, but like, what is the technical breakdown of how you do? Oh, Leon's bagel is very popular. Yeah. Super.

6:22How do you, how do you break it down technically i how or is it just the ear or that i think it's both like i think i got lucky in like drama school voice and speech class where like for four years three days a week you'd have like somebody correct people's bad way of talking so you got like i don't know i got really used to like looking at someone's mouth and like how they like tighten their lips or like what they do right the mouth is like I think the secret sauce and then a lot of interesting that you say that not to interrupt but no please when I went to go do my first movie with an English accent I was like 22 Emma yes thank you for thank you oh yeah and everyone was like oh my god this American girl is gonna play our you know English heroine and they were all bent out of shape and I was like shit I really better figure out how to do this accent and it was all about mouth muscles Like I thought it was, oh, I'm going to imitate the sounds.

7:22But then my voice coach, Barbara Barkery, was like, no, no, no. You've got to relearn how the mouth goes in this vowel and this. And where you sort of, you know, sort of let the jaw, all that kind of thing. And so it was like a workout. My mouth would be like exhausted after. That's amazing. Which really only happens, you know, one other time in life. yeah neck and jaw and all of those things no but it's really true it's like are there like is there voice forward or like head voice chat like all that like all that like silly technical stuff that i was like why did i go to school for this this is crazy and then it's the fun of like watching interviews forever and ever oh right so you study the person Yeah.

8:09And like, I think it's just like finding what you think is funny. Right. So who, what is there one that you haven't done that you are studying currently? I mean, you, you've definitely been one. I have to crack. Oh my God. Yeah. Can you do it? Not yet. Like, it's very like, like love. It's very nasal though. I hate my voice. I have a really nasally. I honestly, I have a nasally voice. And I think if someone is similar, like a cousin to me, not that we sound similar, but in my head, I'm like, I have to do a lot of guesswork here. In my mind, you have like a stand, you like speak very properly. Like your vowels are good.

8:49Okay. And you have a New York thing. So you'll be like, and, or like love. You say love. How do you say it in California? Like love. Maybe. Like I say, like and. A little bit. Or how do you say love? Like, I love this. I love that. I love. Yeah, you have like a love. Love. You really like, it's like in your mouth. It's like all I have. We almost did you last year on the show and it didn't make it and I'm glad. Darn it. I was, I live for the day that you do me on Saturday Night Live. It's happening. What would the context be? Of what it would be? Yeah. It was something, like it was like Yoni. veggie yeah can't escape the yoni and the veggie but i love that but that's what i love that's so funny yeah can you teach me how to do one an impression yeah who do you want to i don't know who are your let's see you do drew you do nicole kidman you do nicole's very like like soft and like intimate okay drew you could do I don't know if I can.

10:05Just it's like, like say like, like. I can't do it. Really? You can say like. Like. Yeah. And like. I love how you get that thing. Here, how about like, oh my god. So it's like, oh. Oh. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, there you go. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah. And then you lisp, like, lisp it. It's so good. Very, like, expressive. I love it. It's so funny.

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11:52so you didn't grow up like with a ton of comedy in the house what did my dad is really really funny oh he is yeah he's crazy what did he what was his job what is his job he is retired now he's 81 wow yeah yeah how old are you i'm 36 oh wow so he had dad old dad okay jewish dad yeah he had my sister when he was 23 and then had me at 45 oh we have like a big age difference all right oh yeah we're good was it two different ladies okay yeah so his ex-wife is a hippie and my sister grew up in a commune in mendocino oh wow so we're like jubu hippie do i love it that's so funny so that's where i got like all my like well organic like we're very that that's so good we have that in common so you guys laughed a lot in the house totally and he was really into improv when i was little no way yeah this makes total sense it totally does he and my mom go to improv every saturday still do they get up and do it huh oh my god yeah every saturday in san francisco i bet that's gonna keep him alive forever it will he like how he was a little sick over the summer and then it was like if i can just get back to improv oh my god and he makes i'm probably gonna have to go on saturday to improv when you go home for thanksgiving because it like makes him so happy i know but you're so famous they can't put you on improv they've been i've been going to this class with my dad pre-snl what it's really cute yeah there it's like they found friends late in life wow yeah and my mom is a painter and she she's like the waspy side god so we have the same we are the same i know not sure would you but we are we're the waspy mom and the jew and dad i love it's a good combo by the way how so go on well i just think you know it's so crazily opposite like i mean really people i remember when my husband brad you know because first he obviously he had met my mom and my you You know my mom and she's sort of so patrician with the voice and the manners and everything's wonderful and art and Mozart and Bill Evans.

14:18Sort of like a cousin of Meryl Streep. And then he met my cousins from my dad's side and they literally talk like that. They're like, Gwynny! And he was like, okay, wow. Then you get it. And I just think it's a great mix because it's like you have all of the warmth and like the, you know, delicious Jewish thing. And then you have kind of the waspy thing. I don't know. I think it's a good taste or something. My dad's thing that I hate, but he's always said it is dress British. Thank you. Dish. Oh, my God. That's so good. But it's kind of good. You know, dapper. Yeah. That's his like whole MO. Okay.

15:06I mean, that's so... Yeah. Did you grow up practicing both at all? I grew up... It was funny. We always did both. And then when I was in kindergarten, I met these girls in kindergarten. They were really funny and they were Jewish. And then I was like, well, I'll just go to Hebrew school so we can all hang out. Oh, my God. So I grew up way more Jewish. But we do the Christmas and... You do both. Yeah. We do both too. You gotta. Yeah. You gotta. I think, you know, yeah. Like, let's milk this for all it's worth. Right? Yeah. You have to have your big tree. And it brings my mom a lot of joy. Yeah, my mom too.

15:45I mean, I think when I'm older than you, so I think it was still, like when my parents got married, it was still pretty, you know, they got married in 1969. And it was really controversial. Really? Like, nobody wanted them to marry each other. Whoa. they got married in like the oldest Episcopal church in the country. My mom, the main line outside of Philadelphia. And my, my grandparents on my dad's side were really upset. I know my mom's Yeah. Really upset. It was, everybody was really upset. They did not want the inner faith. Do you hear like shiksa? Was that a thing? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And shagits.

16:25That's the best word. I've never heard that before. That's like for a, it's like for a Christian guy. Really? A shaget? A shaget. That's so funny. So funny. I even have, like, my sister, I remember dating this guy and, like, my sister's way of saying that, like, he wasn't Jewish. And she was like, he's really blonde. And I was like, okay. In a gross way. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I guess my parents had, my dad, like, very much, like, made my mom learn how to, like, cook. And there were, like, certain things she had to, like, do. Right. But never had to, like, convert. But she didn't convert. No.

16:58No. My mom would never. never no no i think it's a lot i think it is too and i also think how great to also just respect both a hundred percent like 100 because there there really are amazing things that you can bring from both worlds and some sometimes there are definitely some discordant things yeah but sometimes i don't know i always feel like these opposites actually make can make a really interesting, right? A hundred percent. Vibe in the house. Yeah. Really broadened people's horizons. You're like celebrating. I am always like cultural celebration. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Did you have a bat mitzvah?

17:42Oh yeah. Oh. It was hot pink. Oh wow. I like it. Legally blonde came out the year of my bat mitzvah and I dyed my hair blonde and I've kind of never looked back. Yeah. Looks good. Hey thanks. I'm into it. I didn't have one because, well, my mom, you know, I don't know. She would have been into it. But also my dad, I guess a bat mitzvah is like a relatively new thing. Oh, yeah. So he said to me, what are you, 13? You're going to become a man. And I was like, oh, OK, I guess not. My bat mitzvah dreams were gash. You can always still do it. That's true. You can. In terms of partner, what's the deal?

18:25Do I have one? Yeah. I have a boyfriend. You have a boyfriend? Yeah, we met at the Groundlings, weirdly. Oh, how long ago? Six or seven years. Oh my god. Yeah. Okay, so what's happening here? I know. Do I need to call this guy? Maybe, possibly. I think so. I think so. You know, like, we're not getting any younger here. I think we're two late bloomers. That's nice. Yeah, but I think, like, one should be the late bloomer and one should be, like, let's go. And how, like, do you plan to be on SNL for a lot longer? How does it work? Like, how do people decide? I don't know. I mean, I think you have, like, a seven-year contract.

19:05I'm really happy to be a part of the 50th. It feels really, like, magical. Yes. And, like, every week you're like, oh, my God, I'm acting with Dana Carvey. This is insane. But, yeah, I mean, I think I really like movies. And I have, like, a darker side to myself. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. That sounds really fun. Yeah. You're so inspiring to me because you're like women can be more than one thing. Thank you. And I feel like that's rare. And even still, it's hard. Like even in comedy, it's like, yeah, you can go do this. You can have a company. You can like when did you reach that moment where you were like, I want more?

19:44I think it was a I think really like what happened was I I really burnt out on movies yeah and I had just done so many non-stop and I was sort of going at this like breakneck pace yeah and then when I had my daughter I was like okay fuck this like I don't want to do this anymore and then but I I'm I feel like I'm such a creative and there's a and I had all these other interests and so I was like okay well maybe I'll just try this thing and people thought I was really insane like I got so much shit for it and I think people did not understand why I was pulling away from acting and why I was moving into this lifestyle space and but I I do think to your point women are so multi-dimensional yeah and we especially in chapters like we evolve totally so much and we you know it's really I think you know when you give yourself the space as a woman to kind of explore who you are and what else is out there and I think everything becomes so expansive so I guess it was kind of around when I had my my kids and I I didn't want to like you know be in just this one budapest like making a movie by my you know yeah I just couldn't I couldn't but I think that you should absolutely take that time and go right yeah I mean SNL I think I think people stay as long as they can like physically endure it I'm a morning person so I feel like that's like inherently it's hard I've done it a couple times yeah and I mean the adrenaline and like hours it's really I don't know how you guys do that week after week I don't I think it's your adrenaline it's not like the healthiest job in the world right I'm like when do I exercise you know like there's like oh right right yeah wake up for a 9 30 clock you're like oh is it better to sleep usually right but yeah it's it's really delightful but it is a thing where you're like I want to do more creative things like my my sister's a painter and what What does she do?

21:59She's like big oil paintings. Oh wow. Yeah, she lives in London. Who are her influences? Gosh, Danny Fox is a big influence. Vanessa Bell. I don't know her. She was like back in the day. Okay. Some other lady I'm forgetting. But yeah, she's kind of all of, my mom was a, but all that to say is like, she's just always doing like 9 million creative things. Right, right. Like furniture and this and that. And you're like. Because it all comes from the same wellspring, right? Yeah, totally. Totally. Even like beauty, you're like, why can't people just paint in all these different ways?

22:42So what would you want to do if you were going to start a business? Start a business? Yeah. I'd like to do something with my sister. We have like little collabs that we've sort of done a little fun. We did these actually with Sophie Ratner. Oh my God. Not to be pimping her out. That's awesome. Yeah, but I think making like... With Sophie Ratner? Yeah. Her mother delivered my son. Are you serious? I swear. No way. Her mother delivered Moses Martin. No way. Yeah. I did not know that. I knew her mom delivered babies. Yeah. That's so cool. I know. And she came on Goop because my gynecologist called me and was like, my daughter's becoming a jewelry designer.

23:22That's so funny. Well, you look at her stuff and I was like, this is really good. Now there are a whole bunch of girls out there like obsessed with you and following you. And is that, what is that like for you? I really weird, really, really weird. Oh, it's so nice. It's nice. I think I like, well, I'll say like in, on the one hand, I very, if anyone is like, hey I'm a fan or showing like love in any way I really try and go out of my way to like support them because like Amy Schumer, Natasha Lyonne, Aubrey Plaza have been very like oh that's really yeah and I think for women that's so not rare but like you it's something I'll never forget is like people having your back so if that comes about I'm always like do you need help I'm here I mean there's always going to be like 20 % of me that's like a psychopath.

24:17That is not true. I'm like a competitive, jealous, crazy person, but 80 % I'm like, we have to like help each other. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Who's your favorite host that's come on or top few? Gosh, well, okay. The top few, there's like two sections. One is like, we have like, for every like five man men there's like one woman right i always love them right of course because i'm like without fail i'm like my stuff will get on and like we'll get to like yes exactly so any women is like peak when kristen hosted that was really special right we did a pilates sketch that me and my friend came up with that's so funny thank you and the fact that you even wanted to do it I was like oh my god that's so cool yeah that one was epic that was so funny you know Pedro hosting I really loved Ryan Gosling and now you had this big hit with Domingo I know I mean who knew isn't it weird how you never know the thing never gonna be never know because it was like low in the show at dress rehearsal and we were like I mean I guess and then it just exploded did you write that i did not i was like he was one of those things where this sweetie guy jimmy fowley and these and sudi and kira these two other writers just like gave a gift to the women oh that's so and it's really fun when we get to do stuff as like a big group together like you never forget that i loved how ariana grande did that off key singing which is actually really hard to do like she's a she's one of my favorite yeah she's incredible i mean incredible it's bananas that like level of I mean talk about impressions yeah yeah you guys that was so funny when you did that she wanted to do that like I you know like when we pitched to you the host in Lauren's office and stuff like I don't know how it's been like lately it's like you we all just kind of do a joke pitch and it's not like a real thing and I was like there's a Timothee Chalamet look-alikes maybe it's like a Coolidge sound-alike like it wasn't anything I would write and then she was like we have to do it and i was like what so i had like all this other stuff i was gonna write and then we pivoted to like it worked out how do you do that impression just like oh my gosh wow but that was hard because her impression is like legally blonde jennifer coolidge and mine is white lotus jennifer coolidge so i had to like re like watching her Hers is very like, wow.

26:56And I don't know, mine's more like, these gay guys are trying to, mine was like smoker. Right. So it was like a weird exercise in trying to like match each other. So funny. Yeah. So good. Oh my God. She's really special. Yeah. She's really incredible. I mean, that's such a gift to be able to not only do impressions, but sing impressions the way she does. Yeah. Bananas. yeah i'd say like of every table read we've had that was the one where i was like holy fucking like there's nothing this person can't do it's nuts and they're like lovely oh truly you're like yeah i was i don't know i was like you just never know with like a pop star yeah yeah yeah she didn't have like a crazy team of like a hundred people she was like a real person that's awesome are there ever like a-holes that totally really oh my god you have to tell me well yeah yeah no there are i mean i think it's also like it's like a weird thing where it's someone said it's like you're throwing like a birthday party for someone so you have like the emotions of like if someone threw you like a big surprise party and so you're either like love it or you're like kind of like a monster and it brings out a lot of like neuroses for people wow yeah not everybody like it's been pretty good but I think like there's just a few where you're like oh my god yeah yeah it's not weird sometimes on movie sets too you're just like what is your problem like I don't like how are you really going to behave like this like I've had a few

28:40how do you not laugh because like I I'm really bad at that like especially when I do scenes with Robert Downey and he'll do something like so weird and unexpected and I can't I can't it's like I can't how do you is there a trick film stuff like when we're doing like the pre-taped stuff I'm really bad about breaking and no one knows that okay because it's like I don't know it feels like safer there's something spooky about a live audience I I think ever you notice it with people like people who've been on the show longer feel more comfortable breaking I think like my first three years on the show you're like if I laugh I get fired right right you know yeah you're like no actually it's like how people have fun with you right right it's like a way more but isn't it like like certain things like Will Ferrell or whatever like one time I went I was on and I was like I'm never gonna get I'm not gonna make it like I'm really not gonna and I did make it but I almost didn't make it and it's like it's like the funeral giggles like yeah because you know it's and you're like I my body has hijacked me completely and I can't sometimes I bite my lip I feel like I gotta get better about breaking no but you do like it's like or like allowing yourself to like have like Heidi broke last year and that was like the first time she'd ever broke on the show what happened it was this Beavis and Butthead sketch and everyone it like exploded it's like why the sketch worked so much just because like she can't stop laughing oh really i gotta go oh it's amazing oh good and i feel like it like freed her up and she's in her seventh year maybe wow yeah it's just like people like to laugh i think sometimes you like forget you're on a comedy show right so like right right right yeah like military about right right i remember like back in the day mike myers i did a movie with him and his impression of Lauren was so good.

30:43Do you guys all do that? All the time, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, this is going to call for. Weirdly, like I did Martha Stewart, like our last show. Oh, how do you do that? That was, I was like, I'm basically doing like woman Lauren. It was just like, it was her, like it's wonderful. And it's very, and I was like, oh, they're very similar. That's good. and she kind of articulates i now i'm doing lauren martha but i was like they must they are clearly friends they talk so similarly to me oh my god have you seen her netflix documentary yes i just saw it so good when she was like i was 40 and gorgeous i was like you are so funny and yeah she admits to like banging some other guy oh yeah it was a wonderful irish one

31:37and then it was like it's not an affair it was the duomo it was romantic she's so god so she just like made out with some guy uh-huh yeah she was totally legendary in that do you think your like mom was formed by her at all no my mom my mom isn't domestic like that yeah so where do you get it did you get it from your dad yeah i got it from my dad cooking yeah my mom was actually a really good cook she just doesn't like it and it really stresses her out so it's kind of not worth it you know yeah and but my dad was like you know he always grilled and made stuff and then we kind of learned together so when I was probably like 18 is when I really started like we would be in the kitchen next to each other and then he would call me and he'd be like you know we used to watch the Food Network.

32:31And he'd be like, can you believe that they, you know, make salad dressing like this? It's unbelievable. I'm like, what's the tip? Like with, like shaking it. Yeah, like in a jar. Yeah, you gotta do it. Wow, dad, this is really. I think it was more that my dad was so, like he loved us so much and just wanted to express it every conceivable way. so like food was another way to do that you know what I mean do you cook no not enough I'll cook a Japanese sweet potato my mom is like domestic goddess yeah she brought your cookbook right away thank you we made a lot of it thanks burgers healthy salads all of it yeah she's the real deal but I felt like I had like PTSD watching the Martha doc when she was like like why would you cut an orange with a small knife like that's my mom my mom's a lot nicer yeah that was that was something yeah but like cooking she's very like no cubit chloe cubes cubes so i kind of like let her let her do it do it my husband accuses me of that too because i'll be like oh do you mind helping me chop this and i'm like not like that yeah yeah like who would even think to cut an onion like that no that's my mom and then he's like are you okay eggplant

33:59yeah and then i'm like wow i'm a real but you know i i don't think my standards are as high as martha's because right who can no one frost a cake like that i know no one's that answers i'm also a terrible baker like me too bad baker because it's accuracy like i like yeah it's Yeah, I like throw Japanese sweet potato, like let it caramelize, like oven long time good. But measuring stuff, I'm like absolutely not. Yeah, it's tough, yeah. Terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

34:37If you were gonna learn how to do something, what would you do? If I was gonna learn how to do, I can't sing, so that would be up there. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm like toned up. No way, that's impossible. Yeah, I'm the worst singer. No way. No, I swear to God. That can't be. This is true story. If I've ever had to sing on the show, I know I'll come out, we'll be on the stage, and then I see three women in sparkly blazers, and they go in the booth and sing over me. Wait, what? How is your ear that good and you can't sing? I can't. I'm tone deaf. Really? This totally blows my theory about accents. Yeah.

35:13Even for me to sing as Timothee Chalamet a couple weeks ago and like and like it's all these beautiful singers and then i'm like like there's just a disconnect i know you do a good timothy chowell name sure i do that yeah but not the singing part i could it's trying to sing as him i was like oh my god this is like my nightmare how do you do that impression just like i think it was like like the way he would be like new york like growing up in you're a actor. And then just like laugh, like, because he's kind of like awkward. Oh my God. He's like the most serious, like he's got like a cool dichotomy to me.

35:51And he's like boyish, like awkward kid. And then just like serious, like driven actor man. He's a really good actor. He's amazing. I was really impressed with him, I have to say. I didn't know what to expect, you know, because sometimes these like young dudes you're like let's see if you live up to the hype yeah wow he really did and then some cigarettes i haven't seen oh yeah it's for sale in forever right around when goop started you were spinach and cigarette what was your quote oh yeah you're like i'll have this spinach yeah i used to smoke one cigarette a week and then it went down to like one a month or one at a part then I went to one at a party and then I was like I just I'm not doing this anymore well you justified me smoking all throughout great well do you have wellness routines are you into that totally I mean now that all the macrobotics have closed no I know well I it's kind of funny like and I felt like this when I was in LA for like this past week i feel like my wellness journey got really like healthier when i came to new york because you don't think about it as much like i feel like la i'm like in my car all the time and i would be like i have to like eat like like restrict that like like elimination diet life and exercise and to do and then new york you just kind of like eat pizza and walk around and you lose like 10 pounds I think it's great.