Erin + Sara Foster

27:49It took me a really, really, really long time to stop trying to be something else. And I just got comfortable asking what a word meant or, you know, on a trip, someone goes, what's the last book you read? I'm like, Oh, I don't know. I haven't read a book in a year. I would have panicked and lied to somebody at that point. If I was 25, I would have got like To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't know. It'd make something up that I thought was impressive. Like I just read it for fun. That would be insane if you said the last book you read was To Kill a Mockingbird at a dinner party. Some annoying guy on a date would say that, you know, and it would send me into a spiral about it.

28:23But I don't know. I just couldn't live like that any longer.

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29:34So how do you define yourselves, each of you? What are like the three to five kind of main values that you each carry? Oh, shit. You mean, oh, man, that's a good question, Gwyneth. See, I told you, Erin, she's a hard-hitting journalist. That's not hard hitting journalism, honey. I'm just really curious. I want to hear how, like you were talking about the truth of who you really are. So what are some words that help elucidate that for us? I mean, I think for myself, truth and honesty is sort of like the forefront of my persona and how I live. And for me, having integrity is really important. And I understand that might be obvious, but I mean, like, if I'm talking about someone behind their back, it is really important to me that I don't go then kiss their ass two days later.

30:32Like, I have to stay true to the things that I say, and I try really hard to do that. I also am an anxious person, and I'm a really reactive person. It's really hard for me to not that get activated by things and to not have a jump reaction of defensiveness or justifying something. It's hard for me to apologize, just saying some of my negative things. And I really also accept myself, good and bad. Good and bad. Sarah? Yeah. I'm in an interesting place because I only really started taking a hard look at myself. like four years ago, as you know, you know, we would sit at the dinner table and you'd say to me like, well, are you in therapy?

31:22And I would just look at you and be like, no. And you would look at me and be like, okay. I mean, and you would lovingly be like, I know some people if you'd like their number. This is an intervention. But like, I really realized over the last four years that I have a lot of unhealed shit. And it's really crazy looking at it so late in life. I mean, it's like, it's such a disservice I've done to myself because there's nothing you can't overcome. You can wake up tomorrow and change. I believe that. Yes, I believe, you know, we are who we are. And there are certain things about me. I'm always just going to kind of be flaky.

32:14I'm always going to kind of be bad on text, even though my therapist is actually, he's literally, he texts me at 530 every day. And he's like, what's your text count at? But I've realized, this is a very good time to be texting Sarah because her therapist has mandated that she respond to people. Wow. Well, maybe I'll try again then now that I know it's part of the protocol. But I do have deep anxiety. Like I want to be a perfectionist. I am a people pleaser. I avoid conflict, but yet then when I'm in conflict, I thrive in it because I love to just scream at somebody. I mean, I'm really like a fucked up person.

32:53Like it's crazy. Like I will have, I will stay in a bad relationship for way long, longer than I should because I'm too, I don't, I want to avoid the conflict of leaving a relationship. I mean, I'm talking like, you know, along, you know, earlier relationships, I'll stay with like a bad agent, like an agent who like won't return my calls for two years. I still stay. I'm like, oh, well, you know, I don't want to fire him, even though he would love to probably get rid of me. I've just never known how to face conflict, but then I'm very combative, you know, like I love to say to someone, you can go fuck yourself.

33:28That doesn't stress me out to say that to someone, which is not normal. I know. I love it when you get like that. But when it comes to business, whenever I'm like, I'm not fucking putting up with this shit. This is bullshit. Sarah panics. And it's like, no, no, no, you can't say that to the person. She has a very like, we're lucky to be here kind of mindset where I'm like, I'll turn the whole house down. It's like a peacemaker mindset, which it's kind of like a, let's not do anything to blow up the situation. But also in business, Aaron is more confident because Aaron has an innate talent. Aaron is a writer.

34:01She will always be able to fall back on being really talented at something. I am more of a connector and a, like, I don't even know what you want to say about me, but I feel like I always have to be, you know, churning. I have to always be, I don't know what the word is. So when Aaron is like, no, let's walk away from this deal. I'm like, wait, what? No, you can't walk away because then if you walk away, then the deal might explode. And then where's my security? Because financial security is a very, I'm always, we had a mom who was an amazing mom, but our mom supported us on child support checks.

34:40Like that's how it works, right? Like she was a - There was scarcity. There was scarcity. Yes. And I knew when the child support check was late, I knew as the oldest daughter. So in my mind, I'm like, I don't want to be living my life like that. So I have to constantly, I'm always in fear that I will lose everything, that I will have nothing. It's just a thing. Right. So that makes sense then. You want to keep things sort of a status quo because you could make something worse, right? Yeah. It's a terrible way to live. Well, but I just want to say, I think there's been a lot of growth from that.

35:24And even deciding to, around this time when you started to look at yourself about four years ago, I think there was like you were very brave in how you started to think about the kind of life that you wanted going forward. And for example, how your romantic relationship dovetailed into that. And, you know, that is, that is a very brave, difficult thing to do, you know, to, as we've talked about a lot, you know, when you make a decision to, to not be with the father of your, of your children. And, but it is also a very self-honoring choice, you know, and Tommy's awesome. It's not about that. It's about, right.

36:07Like the reckoning of this is, I need to release the real me and be able to make decisions from that place. Yeah. I mean, I just spent, I've spent way too long just living in autopilot in so many ways. I used to say to you, I used to be like, it's like, I'm at 37 ,000 feet in the clouds, like asleep at the wheel. Like I just don't. And that's not even, And that was in every aspect of my life. I even found myself in the way that I parent. You know, that's no way that we should live our lives as a mother, as a partner, as a founder, as a human, as a woman, as a woman. But don't you think it's like also no accident that, you know, you sort of stuck a stake in the ground, claimed yourself, claimed your agency.

36:59and then like all of this success started coming. You know, I don't think that's an accident. Yeah, I mean, I also, I'm so lucky that I have Erin as a partner because Erin wakes up and she has an abundance mindset and not an abundance and get rich, but just an abundance. Just an abundance can be a million things. And it's such a great way to live. And I wake up the opposite of that. So if I didn't have a partner with that mindset, like, I don't know. I mean, I would just, well, I'd be on OnlyFans, I guess, which still not know, you know, still It's always an option. We should collaborate. We should collaborate on that.

37:42And Erin, one of the things that really like fascinates me about you is that you do, you are an optimist. You have this, you do come from a place of abundance. I mean, of course you have your like dry, wicked sense of humor, but you, you are an optimist and you do have this sense of abundance that life is behind you. It's on your side. So how have you been able to, like when something really difficult, like you had 81 ,000 rounds of IVF, like how did you remain so positive? That's crazy. Like I've never had a friend who's been through the ringer more on that front. And I know you've talked openly about it.

38:26Otherwise, I wouldn't have spoken about it. But I'm so interested in what was your philosophy around doing it, continuing to do it, the resilience? How did you conjure the resilience? How did you stay so positive until you got the result? It's crazy. I mean, there were a lot of times I didn't feel positive. I mean, there was a time where like i think after maybe 10 or 11 rounds i like kind of had a mental breakdown and i was like i need to go somewhere and i i don't remember if i asked her if she offered but our little sister jordan got on a plane she had a baby she lived in new york and she got on a plane and we and met me in sonoma and we like turned our phones off for three days and drank wine and rode bicycles and got massages and disconnected.

39:19And it like kind of saved me. It gave me another, I don't know, three or four years of going through it. Like it gave me some stamina because I just felt like I was going to lose my mind a little bit with the frustration. So I hit breaking points. It's not like I was always positive, but you know, I, I had a, I had a really strong faith that it was going to work out. And I can only think of the comparison to finding my partner because when I was flailing and going on bad dates and not in a place where it seemed like it was going to work out, I just had this strong feeling that it would work out.

39:56And I didn't know how, but I did think it would. And I think a big part of the fertility faith and the love faith and the kind of faith everyone should have is it might not work out how you want it to, but it will work out if you allow it to. And I really felt like I will meet my person. And I remember having a very clear age in my mind when I was like 32 or something. I might not meet my person until I'm 41. That was an age that scared me. I might not meet my person until I'm 41 and he might already have kids and I might be a stepmom. And if that's how it works out, but it works out, I have to be okay with that.

40:38I don't like how that looks. I don't like how it sounds. I don't like how long it's going to take, but I have to be okay with it. Sort of letting go of those prescriptions, like the prescriptive, my life has to look like this. Yeah. And I don't know where that comes from. I think just because I had a harder time the first half of my life and Sarah had an easier time the first half of her life. And then we sort of switched roles and Sarah started to have a hard time because she was looking at herself and I started to have an easier time. But my life didn't turn out the way I thought it was going to.

41:10It's very different. And I ended up having a baby at 41 and that's not when I thought I was going to have a baby, you know, but now I look at it and I go, wow, the timing was really perfect. And it just worked out. So like, it sounds to me listening to you that you have faith. Let faith, you know, it courses through your body. Like this knowing, like I know it's going to be okay, I don't know how, right? Or I'm going to let go of these preconceived ideas about how my life is going to look in the timeframe, which are very, very difficult for young women to do, especially in our culture, I think.

41:46So then you meet the love of your life, and it turns out that he's Jewish and you have to convert to Judaism. And I'm so curious because there are so many beautiful things in Judaism, especially the mystical side, which really resonates with me. And I come from this long line of mystical rabbis. Like when you went through the process of converting, was there anything about the Jewish faith that you learned about that sort of like ratified the internal faith that you had already? Like did you combine those things in any way? Or were you just like, no, I'm just converting so that this hot Jewish guy will marry me?

42:32I mean a little bit of both, I guess. But 15 years ago, my girlfriend, Sophia Rossi, she got more religious in her Jewish faith, and she decided to sort of dive deeper into Judaism. And I went to a few Jewish classes with her just because I had nothing else to do. And I was fascinated by it. And I weirdly posted a picture on Twitter 15 years ago that was me holding a book about Judaism. And I said, attention, Jewish guys who make great husbands. I'm willing to convert. And it was just a joke. I just obviously in my mind heard Jewish guys make great husbands and I thought that would be a great life for me.

43:11And then 15 years later, it was happening and I manifested it in some way that I didn't even understand at the time, which is so funny. I really think that the thing about Judaism that I really connected to was the idea that you're allowed to question everything and you're actually expected to question everything. So when I started to convert to Judaism, I was really nervous that I was going to end up having to do something that didn't align with me internally and that I would be faking it. And that really, really scared me. I didn't want to sign up for something that didn't feel right to me. And it was when I voiced that concern and the rabbi was like, great, these are exactly the conversations we should be having.

43:53I was thinking, wow, I'm in the right place. Has it been additive for you? Yeah, it has. I don't connect my faith to my life working out with religion, but I really like this feeling I have with Judaism where it's this framework that we can always come back to when we're feeling a little out of sorts. Simon and I travel, we work, and it's like, let's do Shabbat together. Let's have friends over. Let's have dinner. Simon's really good at saying, let's light the candles tonight and talk about our week. and let's talk about what we want to do better next week and let's reconnect and let's be grateful for each other that stuff is really like comforting to have and i chose a partner who is very sentimental and very you know focused on a connection and constantly reaffirming the connection and reestablishing it and to me there's a connection with judaism in that because I don't know.

44:52It's like an inherently a part of the culture. I also think we grew up around chaos and there's something about the Jewish religion that is the opposite of that. It's like I've clinged to Judaism through Aaron and through Aaron and Simon and his parents, Marina and Anatoly and the siblings, Masha and Al. It's like, it's this beautiful family that, you know, they, they, they are so loving to one another. And it's not that our family wasn't loving, of course we're, but it was just chaos. And there's something about, about the way that the families that I've now met that practice Judaism, that it's, it's, it's, it's chaos in a more beautiful way.

45:37Does that make sense? Like it's the coming together. It's the family, it's the connecting, it's the conversations, it's the listening, it's the, it's the showing up for one another. And we've all through Aaron and Simon, now we get to experience, it's a whole new experience for our family. That's so beautiful. Don't you know any nice Jewish husbands for your sister? Oh my God, that would be amazing. You know what? I think I feel season three of Nobody wants this coming along. Oh my God. Should we talk nobody wants this? No. Yes, because this is a perfect segue because you obviously wrote this wildly successful show for Netflix based on, well, loosely semi based on your relationship with Simon and the conversion and Sarah, you produced it.

46:37I mean, again, like I cannot tell you how thrilling it was when you guys are like, yeah, we're like, I don't know. We're just working on, I'm sure it's nothing. Like we're doing this show for Netflix and then it's like the biggest hit of the year and Emmy nominated. So proud. So how did you parlay that this story of your life? Like, how did you even start to, were you like, this is just a great story? Because you're a writer, you're like, oh, this is comedy gold. Like I'm writing all this real life stuff down and I'm going to turn it into a TV show. It was really Ollie. It was Ollie. Yeah, it was a big part was Ollie.

47:16Ollie Opes, who's our producing partner and manager at Three Arts. No, honestly, when I met Simon, I kind of stopped writing because I'd just come off of a pilot that I had shot that did get made that I really thought should get made. I was very kind of like disenchanted with everything. And I was almost 36 and I was sort of like, I don't know what I'm chasing, but I don't really want to chase it anymore. I really want to be a wife and a mom. And like, that's my next chapter. And so when I met someone who was not in entertainment, really in this side of it, you know, he wasn't chasing that thing.

47:50And we started to establish this sort of domestic life together, I just thought, this is kind of what I want now. And this isn't really funny, right? Like, what am I going to write about? I was always writing about my failures or bad dates or bad relationships. And that was really funny to me. And there wasn't anything funny about this to me. I was like, it's really sweet and wholesome and like, and I read that you were slightly worried that that was going to make you like a less sharp comedian, writer? Yeah, I definitely was because Simon has never dated anyone who's in the spotlight like this.

48:23He's never dated anyone whose life is out there. He's very private. He comes from an immigrant family. You don't talk about anything. So the idea that I was going to write something that was inspired by our life was very challenging for us at first because Simon was like, no, you can't do that. You can't write about us. No, you can't make fun of my family. Like that's not okay. So it kind of shut me down creatively. I didn't really know what to pull from if I wasn't allowed to make fun of my relationship. I didn't really know what I was supposed to write about. And Ollie was kind of like, what are you doing with your life?

48:57Like, why aren't you writing? This is so weird. We should write about this and find a way to do it. And so he pushed me too. And then, and then, and then I did it. And I found a way to not make it in a lot of ways. Simon probably pushed me to tell the better story, which is the more wholesome story, which is about these two people loving each other instead of it being all about the comedy. Yeah. It wasn't about making fun of this connection. It was about celebrating it. And the irony is that I feared it wouldn't be funny or interesting enough to write about. And then unintentionally, it ended up being this like celebration of healthy love and the celebration of like grown up love and two people who really should be able to make it work, trying really hard to get over their shit for each other.

49:49And that absolutely is what we were doing in real life. I just didn't really realize that that was going to resonate for everyone, that part of it, you know? And Sarah, what's your role in it? Like, what do you, from a hands-on perspective, are you coming up with story? Like, what does a producer do? Yeah. I mean, when it came to this specific, this was just like one of the five projects that we had an overall deal at 20th. And this was sort of one of the - Which is so cool, by the way. I mean - Which is so cool. But as you know, it's impossible. You think you have something great. We were really developing things that we thought were really good and edgy and funny and had all the things.

50:30And even if someone buys it, it dies. You know, it's like, it's crazy. It's like just when you're selling, you never know when to celebrate in this business. So Shiksa, Shiksa was one of five, which was, I think, one of five projects we had in development under our deal. And originally we had sold Shiksa, I think it was just me, Ollie and Aaron in the room. We sold it to 20th. They were like, yeah, this is, this is great. This is great. And I started thinking to myself, I was like, this business is so cut throat. Like, how are we, how is this not going to be one of the five other projects that is never going to see the light of day?

51:09Like, what do we do? How do we actually get this freaking bot? So I was like, I think we need to bring in like someone major to come on board. And I think this person needs to come on board and their name and their influence and their, it's going to help. It's going to, as we know, It's like a package situation. Like you got to, you know, whatever. So we brought Steve Levitan on who created Modern Family. And, and so that's what a producer does. A producer is like, how can we get this bought? How can we actually put ourselves in the best position to get this on the air? And so from there, you know, you have your relationships at places.

51:46I had a relationship at, at Netflix. And then once you're there, then yeah, I'm involved in breaking story and storylines and editing and on set. That was season one. But this is Aaron's show. I mean, Aaron's the creator and I'm just, you know. And then, yeah, so it's like I'm not a writer by any means. But you're so funny and you're so clever. I have a pretty good idea of what people want. I understand what people want. Yeah, I think that's right. yeah and so you know you're involved in casting and you're involved in in all of those things

52:31so what is it like now that you're you know it's like you guys are how old are you 42 and 44. yeah So how, what is it like to like at 42 and 44 have this monster hit? I mean, it's really validating. It is really validating. And it's cool. I mean, there's nothing, I mean, I think that, you know, we, it's so weird. Like no one ever, I mean, no, it's hard for people to let you enjoy things, you know, because it's always about what's going to happen next, whether it's your baby or your relationship or it's your show. And by the way, as big as a hit as the show was, people will be on to the next thing a year from now.

53:17And that just naturally happens. And so I can only speak for myself. I'm trying to really enjoy it. For me, as a writer, I think that when you're a writer, you're putting your thoughts and your views on the world and a relationship. I mean, you're married to one out in the world to see what people think of it. and I've done it many times. You know, when people say to me like, this is so crazy for you, like your first show and it's a hit. I'm like, bitch, this is my first show. This is just my first hit, you know? Totally. So I've had a lot of stuff that I've tried to put out there. And when you're getting feedback, that's like, it's missing this or it's missing that or you don't really write real jokes or hard jokes or it's not really about anything.

54:01There's no big event that's happening. You know, what's the engine? it makes you think like maybe i'm not cut out for this or maybe i don't have what it takes so to have this land the way that it did really kind of undid a lot of those fears that had been instilled in me which was like i don't have it that's so great and do you feel like it kind of paved those cracks over like and gave you more confidence yeah because the things that i was told I didn't have as a writer are the things that people like about this show. So I don't think that I could write the next James Bond movie. I don't think that is what I'm right for.

54:41You know, I just think that there's a lane now that I can do and I don't feel a need to be in every lane. I'm happy to be good at this lane. I'm happy to be good at the rom-com lane. I like this lane. I don't need to be all things to all people because I, I don't, I don't, I don't think I'm capable of it. we need rom-coms in this day and age anyway, guys. By the way, we have one for you. Oh, great. Well, I'm retired. Well, you're going to have to un-retire, honey. Un-retired, yeah. Okay. It's like the vasectomy. They can be undone. That's true. But, you know, Erin, it's so true. It's like I remember the studio saying to us about one project or whatever, like it reads like a play, you know.

55:21It reads like a play. Like it's not, you know, and Erin's like, but that's how I write. Like I, not, not Shiksa, but it was like another project. She's like, but I write, I, I have, that's how people talk. That's how people connect. That's how relationships evolve. Like it's long winded conversations with awkward pauses and, and, you know, and it turns out that like, she didn't change her style to fit into what, you know, executives want. She's like, well, this is just how I write. If it's not going to get bought, it's just not going to get bought. And we have a million other things we can do, you know, and nobody wants this.

55:55reads like a play because that's how people talk. And that's how you fall in love with characters. You know, so it's - I think - Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say, I think when it comes to talking about like, not knowing if your career is gonna work out or not knowing if your relationship is gonna work out and all these things and having faith, it's like the thing that I've learned is when you're dreaming about your perfect partner, your perfect job, like you don't even know your own potential. It could be so much better than you even are imagining. And so when you open it up to being different than how you see it, it's like it's probably going to end up being better than you thought it was, but different.

56:35Maybe being a stepmom is literally going to be the most rewarding thing that you've ever felt, or it's going to be the relationship that you didn't realize you were ever going to have. It's like with my engagement ring. I didn't even know my own potential. I was sending this guy rings that were very small. I had no idea when he gave me something I didn't want, it was going to be even better than I imagined. That is an insane, like what? Sometimes we don't even know our own potential. But it does. Doesn't it kill you, GP and Erin, when you like thinking going back to our 20s and our 30s and obviously we speak to women on our podcast.

57:12I think most of your audience is probably female. Don't you just want to shake the 27-year-olds that write us going like, I'm turning 30. My life is over. I don't know what I'm doing. You're like, oh my God, you're an infant. The best years are ahead of you. And you can't, we can only look at it. We can only look at it through that lens now that we're here and that life is now good. And you can't see that when you're 30, but God, I mean, our 20s suck so bad. The 20s are, it's like a double bind is the 20s are so inherently difficult. old. None of us know who the fuck we are, what we're doing or where we're trying to go.

57:50And then we have this incredible societal pressure that we're supposed to be married and have a kid by the time we're 30. I don't know where, I mean, this is like a relic from like the days of, of, you know, having to have kids when you're 16, like when you're, it's, it's so crazy. That's the one thing that I wish the most is that the thirties are the most incredible time for real discovery. that's when you really start to get a sense of who you are and what you want. You can start, I wasn't married when I was 30. I didn't have a kid when I was 30 and I felt so much pressure. I felt like I was failing.

58:28And it's so stupid, as you say, 30 is so young. And especially now with fertility technology, there's no time pressure the way that there used to be as well. Yeah. Well, and the time that you're just starting to kind of discover your career self and figure out who you are is right when you're supposed to be having the baby and getting married. And it's really hard. When they're telling you your eggs are getting old. Like it's exactly right when you're feeling like I'm I'm I'm I'm living up to my potential. I'm doing the thing I want to be doing in my career. It's like, oh, well, your eggs are going to be, you know, of no use in two years.

59:08I mean, it's just. Yeah. Can you, are you guys allowed to tell me any little tidbit, any little teaser on season two? When does it come out? First of all, it comes out October 23rd. I mean, the season one was, you know, these two people meeting and figuring out what to do with these feelings. And it ended with him choosing her over his career. And so season two is figuring out how they're supposed to make that work. It's really what the next four months look like in that relationship. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm really excited. I feel really good about it. I have to say, I feel really good about it.

59:44And I have to say too, I love so much, and you touched on it earlier, something that's so original about the show, which is a paradigm of a good, healthy relationship. And so often we see in romantic comedies, it's like the girl being stood up and it's like all the examples of terrible guys. And it's like, she has to traverse through a series of bad guys in order to, and I just love that it's just about these two really good people that are committed to this. Cause I mean, you're in a great relationship. I'm sure you've experienced a version of this, which is being in toxic, complicated relationships is a little easy because you always have something you can blame for why it's not working.

1:00:32And you can always make it the other person's fault and you can kind of behave badly the whole time because it's like there are no rules. And then when you meet someone and you're in a healthy relationship, you have to be - All your shit gets exposed. Yes, it really does. You can't blame them for everything because they're not cheating and lying and pulling shit and saying one thing and doing another. They're showing up. And so you have to show up and you have to speak respectfully and you have to listen to their version of the story and you have to like better yourself. And you can't slam doors and you can't cuss them out.

1:01:07And you have to like be a real person. And I think that that felt really interesting to me to have that be the relationship that you analyze when you really wanna be good enough for the relationship because that person's showing up. I couldn't agree with you more. And I think we need more examples of that in the culture. you know? Yeah. Yeah. Don't you feel like in, we're so used to seeing the dynamic and, you know, modern day television where it's like, it's the guy that's unsure. It's like the guy that's like, I don't know, like, I don't know. And it's usually the girl like really wanting the commitment.

1:01:49Right. And I think that's something else that people really gravitated to was seeing that reversal. It's like, it was nice to see the man know exactly what he wants. Like, I want you and I'm willing to, you know, do whatever it takes to be with you. And it was her, it was her kind of vacillating between, I don't know. I don't like my career, my this. Like it's just like, I think people really loved that dynamic as well. There's a theme here, nice Jewish husbands. I'm telling you, Sarah. Sarah, be open to it. But I think also the more than that, I felt like I was sick of seeing dynamics in shows where you have a strong woman and the nice guy is sort of passive and soft.

1:02:32And you think in real life, this would never work. He would never be able to manage a woman like this. He would never be able to like, you know, hold all of this. And she wouldn't stay attracted to this guy. And so I really didn't want to show a dynamic that I couldn't see working in real life. That's so great. Wait, is Brad Jewish too? Yes. Hello, Erin, where have you been? I don't know. For some reason, I didn't think of him as Jewish, but I guess he is Jewish too. And you're Jewish. God, Sarah, you really need to join the party. I know. Well, I'm half technically. And some of my more religious friends don't accept me because my dad is the one who's Jewish.

1:03:12Yeah, but that's old school. I mean, reform Judaism totally accepts father and mother. I mean, that was just when you didn't know who someone's father was. You just determined it by the mother because you knew for sure that was their mother. But now. I know, guys. There's DNA tests. Can I also just say, like, I love this podcast so much. I was saying to somebody, you, like, I'm not going to just now, well, I will toot your horn a little bit, but you are at the forefront of pivoting and doing things where you don't know how people are going to receive it. And like, nobody was doing podcasts when you started this podcast.

1:03:47I think when you started this podcast, I was like, what's a podcast? I'm not even kidding. And it's like so cool that to be on this podcast that I'm such a, I love this podcast. I listened to this podcast and I listened to like All In and The Daily. Yeah. Like that's it. Thank you, Sarah. So nice of you. No, I just like, you are such a fricking trailblazer. And it's like, you're so inspiring to all of us, to your friends, to people that don't know. Oh my God. Well, you got to be able to take, you're the worst at taking a compliment. No, everyone knows you're amazing. Guys, I'm like bright red.

1:04:29Stop talking about it. Oh my. All right. Well, but it's just so nice of you to ask us to be on your podcast. No, I'm, I, you know, I love, you know, I really wanted to have you guys on because I think you are, I, you are, you both are like separately and together this incredibly, like I love how outspoken you both are, how honest you both are. I love how you sort of clash and combine paradigms like, oh, we're supposed to be like, if we're pretty, then we can't have a personality and we can't have a brain and we can't like say the really true, true thing. Like I love how you guys are sort of punk rock in that way and how you're so yourselves.

1:05:10And I know you said earlier that you don't like confrontation, Sarah, but like one of my favorite things about you is how forthright you are, you know, and how you aren't afraid to say the confrontational thing when it needs to be said. So I just, I just, I'm really inspired by you guys and how, and I love seeing this like incredible success blossoming in your forties. And it's like, it's so exciting to see. And I think it's set such an amazing roadmap for other women who are like, you know, so many of us are like, what are we doing? What direction should I go in? And like, could this ever happen?

1:05:46And so it's just so inspiring. I guess we're all really inspired by each other. It's cool. It's true. I think it's also so helpful doing it with someone else. Like I really encourage young listeners, find a partner. Like I want my daughters to go to college, not because what they're going to be majoring is going to be the career path they take, but they're going to meet their people there. They're going to meet their future co-founders, their future mentors, their future people they're going to start businesses with or who they're going to work for. Like it's all about connection in every which way.

1:06:20And yeah, Aaron and I are sisters. So it's like a built-in situation, but not really. I mean, I do encourage people. No, but I think you're absolutely right. Like the having a co-founder, right? Like, oh yeah. It's so, I mean, I wish that I had a co-founder. You know, I've had to build my business by myself and as an artist, I was by myself. You know, I think you're absolutely right on that. Yeah. I mean, there are certain things. It's a solo mission. It's a one person thing. But I do encourage people to put yourself out there and find someone to do this with. Guys, go on Bumble Biz and find… Okay.

1:07:04I love you guys. You're the best. Erin, I'll see you on the chat in about eight seconds. Literally, I'm sure we have like 26 missed messages on the chat. What do you guys do? You guys just like sit around and like… Talk about it. Whatever. You guys get a life, okay? I mean, what is this? You're just like, oh, the laundry detergent. It is. When you want to talk about real shit, call me up, okay? All right. Guys, I love you both so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for having us. It was so good to have you on here.

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