Matthew McConaughey (best of)

22:32You're going to be tempted to come back. The decision's made. So we never went back. So because it was non-negotiable, not leaving a parachute, it does help us endure, I think, in these times. When you go, I don't have the option. I'm not giving myself an option to go, to go back. It was like the, very much like the Australian. I'm not giving, I had people were like, you could go back. You can fly home. I said, no, I gave the guy's hand before I left. And I said, I'm going the full year. Yeah. But you didn't know this was going to happen and you know, it was going to be this hard. No, no, no. Like my word meant something.

23:12And spiritually with the decision to step out of Hollywood with Camilla and I, it meant something and it was, it was done. So there was never a question of going, of going back. and going, okay, I concede, I tried it out, I'm back, what's the wrong, you know?

23:36Gwyneth Paltrow:Did you ever, like, were you a student of the Stoics or anything, like, I'm just trying to.

23:44Not, not directly. no i've been i've been asked that before okay i was yeah because they're they're

23:53Gwyneth Paltrow:and and some things are just organic and come out of your own dna and wisdom and life experience but there's a there's a real there there's a a calling back to a lot of the the stoic philosophies Yeah. Your outlook. Yeah. I mean, Emerson, Solomon, Meister Eckhart. I mean, I think there's always been a certain understanding I've felt,

24:28even living in excess that that minimalism and and hunger and thirst and not and and keeping away from the full satiation mentally and spiritually is good you know that that that because then it because and i think that's part of where just keep living comes from me then i'm always on the come then there's always then we're always on the approach you know and and i don't i don't succeed at it all the time there's times look around and go i'm i'm i'm full all over well do i does that mean i'm getting complacent or does that mean i need to get something out of my life you know that's that's taken up room in my day in my life that i don't need um but on the approach of all i love then life feels like a

25:17Gwyneth Paltrow:verb then relationships feel like a verb then the journey feels like it you know i did because if i feel like i get if i've landed almost with anything relational art career spiritually if i feel like i've landed uh if i ever feel the ta-da well i'm going oh you're being lazy because there ain't no ta-da you know what i mean you think a little higher take the roof off fly a little closer to the sun, the wax ain't near melting yet. You may think it is. You got a lot further to go. One of the things I really loved reading about was how you hold marriage with such reverence and this idea of, by your definition, what it means to be a good husband.

26:11Gwyneth Paltrow:And part of this is this agreement between the two of you. It seems that just as you say, there is no finish line. There's no exhale. There's a deep acknowledgement of the road and all of the things that life brings. So I guess there's, what strikes me so much is the, is the innate wisdom that you bring to all of these aspects of your life. And is Camilla, she must be. I really believe that, and maybe this is weird or heteronormative or old-fashioned, but I really believe that a woman really helps draw the energy for the man in the house and helps set the course for the man. And so I'm wondering, well, first of all, how did you two meet?

27:03Gwyneth Paltrow:And was this like a deep resonance that you felt with her very quickly? I'll tell you the story. It's a good one. So at the time, I was very healthily single.

27:21Okay.

27:23Gwyneth Paltrow:Getting it out of your system. Yeah. And like I say, in a healthy way. I was taking care of myself. But I was feeling, about six months before, I was feeling the clock tick. I'm like, I want to find her. And you see, when a man's doing that, I mean, it's like every red light who's next to me in the produce section, who's getting over there. It's like, you know, we've got a party. I come to your place. You're going to be introducing people. I'm like, you know, you're measuring. So the one here, is that her?

28:03not very attractive thing to be when you're always looking. You see someone out of their space, you know what I mean? And looking to find some completion for them. And I remember I had a wonderful, wild dream. I can tell it because I wrote about it in the book. I was an 88-year-old bachelor in my wheelchair, and into my property, which was a horseshoe gravel driveway with St. Augustine Yard. I remember this very clearly. The St. Augustine grass was overgrown and on purpose. And cars were coming in in a procession. And in each one, a woman would get out when two kids would get out. A woman would get out and two kids would come out.

28:57and all the kids gathered around me, 88 of them and 44 women. And they were the mothers of all my children and I was not married. And it was a beautiful celebration and all the kids gathered and all the mothers were getting along and it was a celebration of my birthday and took a picture. and I woke up and it was a beautiful dream. It wasn't a nightmare.

29:24Gwyneth Paltrow:Okay. It was a beautiful dream. And that, I remember waking up and laying in bed going, what does that mean? And what I heard and understood was, it's okay, Matthew. Don't press to try to find the one to marry. If you end up an idiot, you're a bachelor. Well, that's what you end up, but don't quit pressing. It's okay for Leonardo DiCaprio, you know. Yeah, he's doing fine, you know. But that dream and the grace that I got from the dream gave me, it took away that looking around the corner, where is she? At the produce section, at the party, at the red light. And I was like, okay, I'm not racing, it's time.

30:10So I now settle into myself. And as you know, you know, it's the right time for us and it's the right person. Sometimes we probably may have met the right person. It wasn't the right time for us. You know, sometimes it was the right time for us. We never met the right person. I was I was very settled in myself. I go out to a club with my friends on sunset. I'm sitting there mixing margaritas at the table. Music's going. I've had just enough tequila in me to see clearly, if you know what I mean.

30:44this shape caramel shoulders with hot enough in the club to have just a bit of almost dew on a little bit of morning dew on the shoulders with the turquoise trap was moving right to left across my outline about 20 feet in front of me. And her head was not even bobbing. It was like just floating. And I remember looking going, what is that and i stood up i didn't say who is that i said what is that and i got up and on and she went and sat down next to two friends and i started to wave like trying to get her attention and as i'm waving i hear my mom and my 12 year old here going get your ass up boy this is not the kind of woman you wave across the damn room boy so i go over and she's there with two friends and it hits me.

31:30Boom. Invite them both. All three over, which I did, which was the gentlemanly thing to do, which meant she said, no, y 'all stay. I'll go alone. She comes over. I mix a margarita. The music's blaring. I spoke better Spanish that night and understood Portuguese better that night than I ever have in my life. All of a sudden, my buddy comes up and goes, man, we got to go. It's 2.30. I said, okay. Would you like to come home? We're all going back to my house for a drink. She's like, come on. She says, no, no, no, no, no, but nice to meet you. I said, I'll walk you to your car. We go to her car. Where is it?

32:06It's been towed.

32:08Gwyneth Paltrow:No. Would you like a ride home with us? Come have a drink and my driver will take you home when you're ready to go. Okay. She knew, did she know who you were? She, yes. I imagine so. Yeah, she did. She did. She did. And she tells her this day, she was like, uh-uh, for whatever reason. Anyway, we go have a drink at my place, time to go. I'll walk her out for my driver can take her. My driver's left. No. Yes. And this is pre-Uber, right? Pre-Uber. Oh, this is pre-Uber. So now we're going to call a cab. Well, damn it, you know how it is in those Hollywood Hills sometimes. Man, the reception's no good.

32:56so she's stuck yay take that take the extra bedroom down at the end of the hallway upstairs great she does i got kicked out of that room twice trying to go down there later that night i love it and the next morning i'm the last one to get up it's 10 45 in the morning i come down this spiral staircase and i can hear this chatter at the breakfast bar in the in the in the kitchen and it's this beautiful kind of chatter of old friends, people overlapping, there's innuendo, there's already laughs at jokes that were told an hour before, you know, and everyone's laughing, talking over each other and it sounds like people have known each other for years, decades.

33:35As I get to the bottom of the stairs, I look and I see that kitchen table and there's those same shoulders with that turquoise dress. She's wearing the same dresses last night. This is another great plus to me. I'm like, oh, this is not a little girl. This is not like, oh, I'm doing a walk of shame because I'm wearing the same thing last night. No, this is where I ended up. This is the clothes I have. This is the dress I'm wearing. I'm wearing it now. She's holding court with my two buddies who are sitting there drinking honest juice with their shirts off hungover. And they're laughing and going on like they've known each other for decades.

34:03I'm like, wow, beautiful. We get there. Then I decide I'm going to take her to the place where her car is impounded. It's an hour away. I put on this album of this reggae artist I had produced called Mishka. We put it on, drove the hour. The album take is an hour long. We didn't say one word. In between the songs, didn't have any of that uncomfortable silence where, oh, I feel like I got to fill the gap. It was a wonderful silence just to be in the presence of each other listening to this music and listening to this album. them. We show up, we get her car. I asked for her number. She gives it to me.

34:45She comes in down for a kiss. I screwed over, caught up about an eighth of an inch of a lip there. It felt good. I asked her out. The next night I asked her out. That night she couldn't ask her. The next night she said she couldn't. I said, why? She goes, it's my dad's birthday. I'm like, yes, family. She has dignity of family. Yes. This is so great. Okay. So I kept asking her out. And finally, about a week later she said yes and that's the only woman that i've dated slept with and wanted to wake up next to for the last 19 years oh my goodness so that journey to that what i've seen her what i've had the confidence to see because everything i saw on that walk when she moved across the room, I saw that dignity.

35:31I saw that sense of she was, she wasn't for rent in any relational way. I mean, this was when I was like, oh, okay. She had history on her shoulders. Everything that I saw in that image and that impression and that haze 20 feet away, the amount of tequila I'd had, everything turned out to be true when we zoomed into the closeup And as the relationship got more intimate, those things turned out to be true.

36:00Gwyneth Paltrow:That is so beautiful. 19 years is, you know, it's a long time. And in Hollywood years, it's like, you know. Yeah, I guess so. What is the love you never question axiom that you two have? What does that mean? Well, like anybody in any couples, sometimes one's going faster than the other. Sometimes one feels like they're sacrificing more than the other. And we grow. So at the same time where we want and love and are there for that inherent person that I saw move across the room that night, who she is and what it is she fell in love with me about. Why we still want that. And that's what we believe in.

37:04We grow. There are amendments. We mature. Sometimes we go a little backwards somewhere and sometimes we go a little forward somewhere. We find new things, new interests, new hobbies, new decisions. But as long as that core, it's the core, it's the core, the very first thing I saw before I ever saw, ever spoke to her. First thing I saw in my mind and heart when she moved across the room is what I still love about her and what she still is. It's new. You have children, you have a family, you get older, there's new challenges. but I don't think we've ever lost sight or ever not been able to show each other what we saw on each other that night, what I saw across the room, what we understood in each other in the language of love when I understood Portuguese and better than I still do now.

37:58And I spoke the best Spanish I've ever spoken. You know what I mean? And that whatever that was, I knew right then that this was not, that this was, if I got fortunate enough to go spend more time with her, this was not a fling. I knew right then. And I don't know if she did. I don't know. Maybe it took her longer to see who I was, to trust who I was. But that light's never gone out for either one of us and how we see each other and who we expect to be for the other. Yeah, we have an inherent trust there. And even in times where it's harder or we're missing and ships sailing past each other in the night, just trust that, well, let's, you know, as you know, a relationship takes work.

38:49And so where do you sit there and just not make anything? It's not a big deal. Just let it slide. And when you go, no, we got to do some maintenance here. We got to check in because chassis is a little loose. and if you don't check in you can look up and it can be a mess we have friends that you look around and you go like boy they didn't they didn't do maintenance along the way and now they look up and you go oh shit what happened and I think we do a pretty good job and thankful to her because she instigates it most of the time of the maintenance check ins for us that we never get too far off even though we're trying to try new things and entrepreneurial relationship and I've got things and she's got things and we got three kids and that becomes another thing where you can go and that's another thing to watch what I'm still learning to watch is you get children and those are the dependents they need you you know what I mean and sometimes I can sometimes go well Camillo it'll be fine.

39:59But the kids need, you know what I mean? And that you gotta, you gotta watch and go on.

40:05Gwyneth Paltrow:Not totally orienting around them as first priority all the time. Yeah. Right. Yeah. How, how do you think that having this beautiful, substantive marriage is like a, a key pillar in your life in terms of your growth, your success, your introspection? Yes. Look, there are ways I don't even understand that her coming into my life helped. But I look back and if I do the math, it's kind of hobbyist. You know, the math is there. And if I don't see it, I got plenty of friends that damn, she'll remind me of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a true sense of true confidence stable of being, again, of something beautiful happens, I think, in our life when we have, when we find that kind of relationship, or even especially and also when we have children.

41:08Like we say, I think I got better at my career, better at my job when I found the woman I loved, Camilla, and we had children. Why? Well, all of a sudden, the career became in the three-hole of priorities. And that doesn't mean I respected it less. It just meant it wasn't my full-on identity. And boy, when it's number one and we're young and that's our identity, you can need it too much and miss the magic. There's a form of taking something too seriously where it can sort of not allow us to be the most we can at it. It's part of who I am, but it's not my identity. I have things that I trust. I write about this in Greenlight, the one thing I ever knew that I wanted to be was a father.

41:56Gwyneth Paltrow:Right. You know, when I was meeting my dad's friends and I giving them yes, sirs, I remember at eight years old in the parking lot at Oak Forest Country Club, these two men I met, the sun was coming down my eyes and had shades. And I remembered the common denominator of all the men I'd met and shook their hands, they were fathers. And I was like, ah, that's success. That's when you've made it. That was the definition in my mind. And I still hold on to that to a great extent. What kind of father are you? What kind of father am I? I am. I kind of, to give you a little, these are not political terms, but I would say conservative or liberal late, meaning like let's learn our literacy and our math and our manners and, and our respect.

42:44Gwyneth Paltrow:Build a foundation. Build the foundation and the expectations within the family. We are a team and I'm sorry, no, we're not equals yet. No, we've got to maintain, we've got to earn these things. Part of it is going to be there for you. Part of it's going to be watch me. Part of it's going to be watch how your mother and I treat each other. That's how you treat someone in your life that you hopefully can end up loving and caring about. Part of it will be what we talked about earlier. No, you are not invited right now. This is your other nice time. And respect that. Go entertain yourself. You know what I mean?

43:26I am coming now with teenagers, which I think is going to be my honey hole as a dad. I think, one, I'm really enjoying it because I don't have to edit my good stories as much anymore. I know, it's true. You know what I mean? You come there like, you did? You're like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Like, damn, okay. But I didn't know that there was this bridge between – because my father, there's parenthood, and then there's friendship. I think there's a time to hold off the friendship. I know too many parents, kids that go, like, my parents too much, my friend too early. I need a parent.

44:08And I didn't know there was this bridge that I'm finding now of being a big brother on the way to being a friend. And so there's things that they fundamentally understand that I don't have to teach them anymore. They don't need to see the example anymore. But I can be less judgmental as, well, let me tell you, this is your dad. And I can be more just listen and put a hand on the back and go, damn it, I know it, man. That sucks. A breakup, a heartbreak, something they wanted and didn't get, or how to get something they want, how to hustle for it. I can kind of go, well, check this out. It's a little more of a hand on the back, arm around them going, me too.

44:46I know what you're talking about. A little more of a big brother. And it's a bridge between fatherhood and friendship that I didn't know was there.

45:03Gwyneth Paltrow:Could you, do you have the book with you? Yeah, I do. Would you read me? You can pick. You can pick to a random page. You can read the first one you wrote when you were 18. That one's funny. Didn't mean to be funny. Yeah. Okay. I'll read this one. Let's read that one from Mrs. When I'm 18. Again, in Australia, losing my mind, I'd become vegetarian. Didn't know how to be a vegetarian. I was eating a head of iceberg lettuce with ketchup on it. I was running six miles a day. I believe I'm going to be a monk. Again, I didn't think anything was wrong with me, but these are disciplines I was putting to myself to achieve each day just to give me a sense of, okay, I accomplished something.

45:57Gwyneth Paltrow:And why was it so bad? Just like – Okay. So it was a – it's a wonderful story that I write in Greenland. But it was – I was going to be – I was written that I was going to go stay with the family and live on the outskirts of Sydney. Well, the outskirts of Sydney ended up being about three and a half hours away in a little town called Gwarnabale, population 305. Wow. Way out. Wow. And I was a bit of the duallys, the family's, like, prized possession, the toy. And they had gone back. Like, I graduated high school. I was free. I mean, I made my grades. I got money in my back pocket. I've got a job.

46:51I got a car. I got a full handicap, man. I got a girlfriend. Things are rolling. I got no curfew. Let's go. and all of a sudden they wanted me in at like 10 and if there's a girl i wanted to go out with they need to interview her i didn't have a car i didn't have friends i didn't have golf clubs i didn't have cash in my pocket i had a curfew so and this family was just odd there was a bit of i felt that i was feeling a bit of covet there was a bit of we'd like you to call us mom and pup whoa okay yeah okay so it's a beautiful black comedy okay so i'm i'm at this point after eating at 5 p.m., finishing at 5.30, and then doing the dishes each night, I am trying to get back to my room to go take a bath every night just so I can have some solo time with me.

47:37And this solo time, I'm hopping in the bathtub. I'm reading Lord Byron. Okay. And U2's Rattle and Hum, as well as a Maxi Priest album, were my two friends in my Walkman earphones. And I would read Lord Byron, listen to U2's Rallin' Hum, and work one out pretty much six nights a week. But again, nothing was wrong with me. It was cool. It was good, okay? But this was my nightly ritual. And I'm writing things like this, okay? Soil. What wretched extent has our life bowed to today? When will it end? When shall it begin? are endless judgments that brandish the sin. Ignorant minds of the fortunate man, blind of the fate shaping every land, drifting day by day upon selfish wings of his past, only seeking the wines of his narrow-minded casks.

48:41Love, provide us a chance to cure this social disease or excessive infections have we never to believe. As bias past rule unfortunate futures, living adversities of both heaven and hell, why the flame reaches higher is so hard to tell. No cell, no home, city, state, nor land, The untold doom bleeds throughout every hand. The shrouded wounds sweat the pain unknown Of so many premier as kings upon their throne. Self-destruction of the blind awaits in the range The naive dwelling of the endless unchanged. The unaware return to the palace of the benighted, I too shall reunite, primarily delighted.

49:36But one thing, infallibly, I shall never remain the same. Whoa, right? But that's incredible. I mean, I was talking about the menaces of the world. And at the end, I'm saying, I'm going to go back doing it too. But I'm going to be changed. And I was at four, I was a pretty self-serious young dude and had a lot on my mind. And again, thinking my calling was to go become a monk. I was calling out what I call bullshit in society. And I was outside of America for the first time looking back. And when you leave what you know, you kind of look back and you kind of call bullshit because you see it in a different way.

50:20Gwyneth Paltrow:Right. And yeah, I mean. That is incredible, Matthew. My God. I think I had a thesaurus pretty handy though. because I don't know what infallibly meant then, and I don't know what it means now. But at the time, that amount of syllables and that adverb impressed me. But I was writing that. That's me at 18. That's on actually – that was written. Check this out. This is what I was doing. Yeah, 1189. Wow. That's New Year's Day Eve. Okay, that's incredible. That's incredible. So I know I can see how you think it's funny. It's actually like kind of mind blowing and extremely profound for an 18 year old boy.

51:14Gwyneth Paltrow:I know, you know, when we're trying to find our art and our voice, sometimes we take, you know, impressions of other artists. So I get it, but it, it is pretty extraordinary. And so, and then, so if I, if we take that as kind of the jumping off point and then sort of the, what you've created and what you've put into the world, not only as a husband and a father, but an artist, your incredible performances, you know, your, your writings, like there's such a, such a strong sense of self, you know, like this kind of brave sense of self that I get off of you that, that I find really inspiring. And so I guess I would love to understand how you cultivate that and how you are brave enough to retreat to that.

52:17There's a poem in the book, again, where you say, there's a difference between a good man and a nice guy.

52:26Gwyneth Paltrow:A good man stands for certain ideals. And when those beliefs are contested, a good man is not a nice guy, which is, you know, for me, who was raised to always be a good girl and, you know, go along. And I was so late in finding myself to a certain extent. Like, when did you understand that who you were was not only okay, but a gift? And how do you index into being a good man, irrespective of what other people think? I honestly think that the inception point, the hinge where it really kicked in, and again, I'm still working on it, but was that year in Australia. and I'll tell you why. I'm alone.

53:15I just come from a life of catching green lights. Like I said, I graduated high school. Mom and dad are happy. I got no curfew. I got gas in my tank. I got a truck, man. I got 45 bucks in my back pocket. I'm dating best girl in my school and I went across town. Things were rolling, man. I mean, I'm upset. Let's go. The brakes come on when I go to Australia. I'm alone doing what I was telling you I was doing. There were differences. There were oddities there were things that that were coming on me that i didn't agree with but i kept just chalking up to being a cultural difference oh it's just a cultural difference a cultural difference and i remember the night about six months into the the trip or the year that i was over there that they did say that question we'd like you to call us mom and pop and i remember immediately going fucking cultural difference or not that ain't happening and i remember it even caught myself like whoa you just fucking stood up and i remember i said well thank you for thinking of me that way but i have a mom and dad and i love this part because i said this i remember saying this i go i have a mom and dad and they're still alive like it needed the context but no i will call you by your first names and thank you very much and it got quiet at the dinner table and i I cleared off the dishes and before I went back to the bathroom to go do my nightly ritual, I said, good night, everyone, and called them all by their first names.

54:43And the next morning, guess what my alarm clock was?

54:49Gwyneth Paltrow:He won't call me, Mom. Whoa. Wow. Now, I remember putting my arm around her going, it's not personal. But I was not wavering. That was the non-negotiable. Right, right. I'm a mom and dad. The rest of this stuff, okay, culture difference. This one, sorry, standing on it. And I had no one to check in with. I didn't have a friend. I didn't have my dad. I didn't have a brother. I didn't have my mom to check in. Like, is this okay? Can I stand for this? It was clear. And I remember I'm forced. So I was forced to make a decision on my own and stand up for it because it was black or white to me. And that was the launch pad of where I started taking my identity at the same time when I was on my own.

55:36So I just stood up for something, but now who am I? So then I'm starting to go through, I remember returning to college, coming back and going to college. And I remember, you know, going to movies and laughing at things in the theater that no one else laughed at. And then the stuff that everybody laughed at, I was like, that's not fucking funny and then feeling weird and going, no, no, no, double down on that. And I remember going to funerals and not crying, but crying when my friends or family would have a child, I would cry at birth, but not death. And I was like, Oh, weird look no trust that man that's not there's not a right wrong with that double down on that if that's how you feel and telling myself that's okay so and i think it all started with that day i went no i'm not calling you mom and pop i'm calling pop pop pop pop and so and writing things down and seeing you know noting things where i thought i was odd or weird or wasn't of the status quo and going.

56:33And then going, as you know, as that you do that for a while, you start to kind of get off to it. Like, oh, my individuality feels cool. When I put my shoes on, I walk out the door. I can get reservations for one. I would do that. I remember, you know, could it come back on Monday? What'd you do this week? And I went and saw the so-and-so, the movie. Oh, who'd you go with? Oh, I'm sorry. I did that on purpose. I preferred that. right you know and so i think and it's something i'm trying to teach my kids now it's like hey there's one person you gotta be able to get along with buddy because it's the one person you can't get rid of you yeah you've got to shake hands with yourself and if you're not get if you if you're uncomfortable when you're alone it's a pretty good sign that you need to spend some more alone time with yourself until you can shake hands i go because our old minds can be tricks and We got to shake some demons and get rid of them, but you got to end up high-fiving and shaking your hands with yourself and going, dude, man, we're the only ones we can't get rid of, so let's try and get along in this gig.

57:37And I did that for a lot. Or I would take at times where, you know, life became big. When I got famous, bam, as soon as I got famous, I was like, I can't tell the difference between reality and bullshit here. I got to get the hell out of here. Boom, 22-day trip, backpack alone to Peru. Why? I just put myself in a place where nobody knew my name and where memory could catch up with me. And I needed to say goodbye to people in my life. To where the tears out of their eyes when I left. Were from the man they met and spent time with the last 22 days named Mateo, who they don't know what he did. Not from Matthew's famous.

58:17I needed that, you know, test my own metal, see if I still had it. And I did. But I needed that. to separate reality from the heightened stuff. So I think I've done a decent job of going on solo trips to making a stand there. It started in Australia and then trusting things. If they weren't harmful to me or other people, oddities about myself and going, cool, fine. Double down on that.

58:44Gwyneth Paltrow:I love it. It's, it's amazing. So this is going to be the rapid fire round that. Yeah. Okay. Just one word or whatever. Okay. Greatest teacher.

58:59Greatest teacher. The one who's most understood.

59:05Gwyneth Paltrow:Favorite character you've played. Mud. Favorite thing about Camilla. Wet eyes. Favorite thing to do as a family. Cook together in the kitchen. Death row meal. Cheese bear. Walk on song. Ted dude's stranglehold.

59:35Gwyneth Paltrow:Place you feel most at peace. In the desert. Something your wife and kids make fun of you for. Oh, they make fun of me. Well, they were just making fun of me last night. Oh, one thing when I do get on my soapbox trying to teach, Rita will be like, okay, going to give us another TED talk. So they'll hammer. I do have to play general sometimes, you know, or come in and go, all right, guys, hey, huddle up here. We wrote the do-do's. We wrote the rules on the fridge. We seem to go to the fridge. We don't seem to be reading them. And we just went over them yesterday. Do we need to do this every day?

1:00:15Okay. And I have to sometimes play the general and they kind of listen and then get a big kick out of it.

1:00:20Gwyneth Paltrow:That's hilarious. Okay, last one. Which one of your poems or prayers would you want to introduce you at your eulogy? Oh, that's a good one.

1:00:36I'm going to go with the one that's on the back.

1:00:39Gwyneth Paltrow:Will you read it? The victor sees the light last. The final believer wears the crown. Don't pull the parachute too early. Fly until you touch down. Amazing. Thank you so much. This has been such a fantastic conversation. I've learned so much. Well, I sure did enjoy it. Gwenna, thank you for the time. Thank you so, so much. All right now.

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