Wellbel’s Dr. Dan on Hair Health, Hormones, and the Science of Feeling (and Looking) Your Best

26:11So I think nutrition is super important. Feeling good. I always say happy stomach, happy patients. So there's clearly a connection between the GI tract and the gut and the brain and getting patients optimized from that standpoint is something that I often focus on. There are things, for instance, like omega fatty acids, like from salmon that are great for your skin and also great for your heart and your brain. And I love including those sorts of things. So when I wake up in the morning, I do intermittent fasting. I'll have a tablespoon of flaxseed oil. And then that's sort of one of my morning routines.

26:48That's how I get my day started. And interestingly, it keeps me super satiated and we want to have good alpha linoleic acid levels. And flaxseed oil is fabulous for that. It's anti-inflammatory and it's great for your gut. You break your fast with that or it doesn't break the fast? It's under the... Yeah, I think it's fine. It's just a tablespoon of alpha-linoleic acid and that's it until I break my fast. How long do you fast for? On average, like 18 hours. Oh, wow. That's a hefty fast, Dr. Dan. Yeah, you get used to it. You get used to it. And why do you find that it works for you? I feel like I have better mental clarity, more energy.

27:32in animal models, when they look at intermittent fasting or, you know, that kind of calorie restriction, it promotes autophagy, which is a way for your immune system to sort of prune and get rid of like bad cells. And I just feel, I just feel good. So I listened to my body. I don't do it all the time. You know, with these routines, we don't have to be a hundred percent. Are there weekends where my kids have like French toast and I like totally scarf it down 100%. Yeah. I mean, yeah. The French toast is hard to resist, I got to tell you.

28:14So some things that I hear a bit conflicting is like some cardiologists will say, you know, watch your red meat intake if you have cholesterol issue. And then the people that I speak to on the more functional side, say, if you're having grass-fed, grass-finished beef, it doesn't impact your cholesterol as negatively. And grass-fed beef is actually a superfood and the organ meats, et cetera. Where do you land on this? So I sort of, you know, I'm a functional medicine doctor and a cardiologist. So... Exactly. That's why I'm asking you. The first thing I would say is sort of goes back to this end of one sort of practice of medicine, like not everyone's the same and not everyone responds the same to red meat and their cholesterol metabolism.

29:01Also, it depends on like, if someone has coronary plaque, my targets and goal for that person, if they did a calcium score and it's positive, it's going to be very different than someone who has high cholesterol and has no plaque at all. So I really need to get to know the patient first. That's my first answer. And like my intuitive sort of responses, like every person's different and their response to red meat and where they are on the spectrum of heart disease is different. And then the second thing I want to say is like sort of like everything in moderation, if you're having red meat a couple of times a month, I don't think that that's going to be really negative on your health if you're sourcing really good grass fed meat.

29:41So that's my stance on it. So if someone asks me, that's usually what I say. Okay. Do you eat red meat? Sparingly. So it's not completely out of my diet, but I tend to eat, get protein from other sources prior to red meat, but a couple of times a month I will have red meat. Okay. Yeah. So it's like a special occasion, you know, like nice, you know, nice steak dinner. Maybe, you know, there's a restaurant that just opened up in my building that has grass fed hamburgers and my kids love it. So like we've hit that spot up a couple of times. So it's not a no. And I think that goes for everything in life.

30:16I think people really want a schedule and things to be super binary, like yes to red meat, no to red meat. And there's a comfortable in between where you can say, okay, there's enough evidence that maybe red meat shouldn't be the primary source of protein, but I can still include it in my diet. And taking the stress away from those kind of decisions, I see people getting really into a tailspin about what supplements should I be on and what should my diet be? I think if you have a generalized philosophy of what works well and you're good 80 % of the time, 85 % of the time, I think that's okay. Presumably it also changes with different chapters, right?

30:57I mean, like I'm hardcore perimenopausal. I wish it would just stop already before I like, I can't take it anymore. But I noticed that, you know, after I was, I had long COVID and was dealing with sort of chronic inflammation for a long time, and I went really paleo. It felt great. And I had more clarity and more energy and my C4A was going down a bit and all that. And then in the past year, I feel like I need more carbohydrates and more fiber. I've really been craving legumes, lentils, and great homemade organic sourdough bread, that kind of thing. So I've been sort of experimenting with just eating, you know, more instinctually.

31:45And I have to say, like, I feel good right now having like some sourdough, great quality sourdough bread, like a really nice glass of organic unsprayed grapes, you know, like glass of red wine. So I don't know, do you think it's bad to sort of follow your, what your body is kind of craving? And if it's like Dunkin' Donuts every morning, probably i would say let's let's revisit that question but in general i think people know like what their body needs and carbs are important you just need to get good carbs you know and like have enough healthy carbs enough protein and fiber enough healthy fats i think most people know like what feels good if you eat something and you don't feel good afterwards it's probably something that's not really meshing well with your body and what do i mean by not feeling well you might feel bloated.

32:38You might have some brain fog. Sometimes people break out in allergies or just feel slowed down. Those are foods that are inflammatory. Your body's telling you, Hey, I'm not happy. And interestingly enough, if you look at the small bowel, the highest concentration of immune cells is in your small bowel. So your small bowel is a huge immune system. It's like a giant immune system. So if it's not happy, it's going to like sort of set off and then you get the systemic effects of bit and I'm feeling brain foggy and slow and sluggish. And I try to eat towards a certain feeling. So if you eat towards that feeling of like feeling good afterwards, you're probably making good decisions.

33:16Yeah. That's a great distinction. And I think that's right. And I've just been surprised at like, you know, putting some of these foods back into my diet has made me feel really good, you know? But again, like you say, we're all sui generis, completely unique and one of a kind. And so maybe, you know, a diet that works for every, you know, that I find that really interesting as well. And that the thinking really evolves there around precision medicine. That's why no diet has ever been like the forever diet for society. Right. Because like, there's common trends. I would say the closest thing is a Mediterranean diet probably fits most people.

33:56Yeah. Just because it's high in like the healthy fats and, you know, phytonutrients and vegetables and those things time and time again seem to be beneficial for us. But there's certain vegetables that some patients absolutely can't tolerate that give them, you know, they're going to be bloated and miserable. So there's no one diet that fits everybody. And I think we're going to get to a point in medicine and wellness where we'll be able to look at people's DNA, we'll be able to do blood tests, and really know exactly what you should eat based on your metabolomics, your genes, your epigenetics, et cetera.

34:31I don't think that's at prime time, but the best sort of thing now to do is figure out what foods make you feel good and what foods make you feel, keep a food journal, like what makes you not feel good. And if it doesn't put it on the maybe avoid list. Right. And like, you know, not, or not sleeping well, like for me, that's, that's a clue always like if I, cause I tend to eat dinner early so that I'll digest before I go to sleep. And if I still don't sleep well, it's that I ate something that my body isn't loving. A hundred percent. I think your body will tell you, will tell you something to sign.

35:04I've had patients who've developed migraines from eating foods that don't agree with them. Yeah. It's really interesting. And what about alcohol? Do you ever have a tequila or a glass of wine or never? It's again, not never. I'm usually there's very seldomly am I in the never category. There are a couple, there's certain things that are in the never category. What's in your never category. If you feel comfortable, I've never done any drugs. Oh, you're missing out Dr. Denton. I've never done any drugs. Gosh, I think that's probably one of them. I've never tried a cigarette, never had an interest in it.

35:40Honestly. Lucky. I was so addicted back in the day. Oh my God. Never had an interest. So I think those things are definitely like the no, there's never really upside evidence that there might be a use case for like hallucinogens in certain people with mental health issues. And that's being researched. So that or like trauma, MDMA, trauma, MDMA, ketamine, like, I think there's a use case for that. But sort of self medicating with drugs to help yourself when you know, things don't feel right, can often not, you know, bad direction. But when it comes to alcohol, I mean, I'll have a drink, like, I would say like once or twice a month, you know, at a friend's dinner or a birthday party, you know, New Year's kind of at the same frequency I have the red meat.

36:25Right. Maybe I just have red meat and alcohol at the same time.

36:36Just going back to what you were saying around psychedelics and like mitigation techniques or modality for like, how much does stress and trauma impact our cellular health, our metabolic health? So, so much that I don't even know where to start. Gosh, you know, the first thing I think about is cortisol. So cortisol is a stress hormone that our body was designed to produce when like a grizzly bear was coming so that we can like save ourselves and, you know, jump into fight or flight. nowadays that hormone is more maladaptive, meaning we produce it because we're in traffic or we get into an argument with a coworker.

37:18I think chronic cortisol and inflammation really, really can be toxic at the molecular level. An interesting study that I looked at a while ago in Asia was that they looked at people who had good relationships, like healthy work relationships and healthy marriages, and they measured these inflammatory markers called interleukins. Yeah. And then they chronicled the same interleukins for people who had toxic relationships. So they were in a bad romance, you know, they didn't like their boss. And those pro-inflammatory cytokines that are known to cause cancer, heart disease, and brain disease were all elevated in those people.

37:53And it just leads you to think that your outer world and what you interface with directly impacts your inner biology. And that's when like being aware and having agency and thinking about these things that we're not separate from our environments. And that decisions about what we eat, the thoughts we maintain, the people we keep around us, that all affects you. I just met with a woman the other day who had metastatic eye cancer. You don't really hear about that that often. Wow. I'm here, eye cancer. And we're talking about her health and we went through her nutrition and what supplements she should be on.

38:28And I said to her at the end of it, I said, do you have any toxic relationships? And her husband nearly fell off his chair. And she said, sort of like I told you so. And I said, whatever's going on with that toxic relationship, that needs to end, because if we're looking to keep you around for as long as possible, those stressful situations need to completely not exist. So I think that's a beautiful question. It's a very insightful question, Gwyneth, and one that I really appreciate and feel strongly about. Hmm. Is it called like something like morphic resonance, like that you're sort of, you're internally resonating with those external, you know, energetic factors that can impact you positively or negatively?

39:12100%. It's all energy. Yeah. One source of energy impacting another energy. So if you have those toxicities in your life, toxicity can be food. Toxicity can be the thoughts that you feed yourself. Toxicity can be the relationships you have will have a direct impact on your biologic and molecular health. And it's not spoken about enough. No, it's true. And we normalize the toxicity. We normalize being in toxic situations. I have been in my life, thankfully, I'm too old now to sustain anyone or anything toxic. But I did for many, many years and, you know, like throughout my life. And, you know, I think we're also sort of sometimes even a little bit shamed in the culture for, or at least in the past, you know, couple of decades for wanting to abstain from certain things that are toxic, like, you know, hyper-processed foods or, you know, or alcohol, you know, having like the culture judge you for that or, you know, which I also find really interesting that there's this sort of sociological acceptance for us in for that toxicity on whatever level is acceptable or normal?

40:31I, you know, there's a lot of social pressures in that. And what I would want to tell people is to think about your own self kindness and self love. When you're tuned into that, you really don't those sort of external factors of judgment or society perceives matter less. And one of the things that I said recently that, that I liked was that every decision you make is a micro contract with your DNA, little micro contracts, you know, how you treat the mailman, what you have at the restaurant and you don't have to get a perfect, but they're little micro contracts. And I think when you think about longevity and health span, it's the accumulation of those micro contracts that make an impact in our lives.

41:13So there's, there's a lot of agency here. And that's what I want to tell the people who are listening to this podcast, you have a lot of agency in terms of what your life can look like, who you surround yourself with, the decisions that you make. And as soon as you become aware that you have that agency, the external factors cannot have that same control and come from self-love and self-care and you'll always land on top. And I think you make a really interesting point about being guided by, you know, you sometimes say like your body speaks to you right and i think if we can move out of the model of like tolerating stuff and move more into the model of like how does this make me feel how does this food make me feel how does this person make me feel how does this co-worker you know that that that the agency has to start there right with real honesty around how you relate to yourself how you're how you're really feeling like you have to be able to let the information bubble up in a real way.

42:12100 % awareness, but awareness without necessarily the victimhood of it. So if you all of a sudden, you know, awareness becomes the poor me, then that poor me is going to be its own kind of toxicity. So it's being curious about how things make you so without judgments. So how can you be curious about how this food makes me feel or this person makes me feel without judgment, and without putting yourself in that poor me victim category, because that in and of itself can increase cortisol levels and make you feel lousy. And all of a sudden you, you develop an identity of someone who's everything's wrong.

42:46And then you, what do you attract wrong more and more wrong? So it's doing it in a way that's still, again, with a self-kindness and saying, well, this doesn't really work out for me. Let me, let me marinate over this. Let me think about this. Yeah. Yeah. So a well, bell, you can take with all your other supplements that your, you know, doctor or nutritionist or whatever has given you, or is it important to take it and sort of let them let people like, do doctors want to know more holistically the supplements that you're taking? I would recommend that. I always think it's good to keep your healthcare practitioner in the loop of what you're taking just so that they're aware, make sure that doesn't interact with any of your medications that you're not on anything that might be a duplicate.

43:27So I think that's a really good practice to keep your healthcare practitioner, your holistic practitioner plugged into what you're doing and taking. I don't know if you're developing new products for WellBell, but even for the existing SKUs that you have, like how did you, are they, did you put like clinicals behind them? Did you, can you talk a little bit about the product development process? Yeah. So I put my super nerd hat on, put on my glasses, like mad scientist. And then I started researching like ingredients that were clinically validated. And, you know, early on in the company, we didn't have enough money to like launch a clinical trial.

44:08Those are really expensive. Luckily we've grown to the point that we hired our own CRO and we're running some clinical trials with dermatologists. So we should have some exciting, double blind placebo controlled data within the year. But the early days we're really looking at safe. You know, the first thing they teach you in med school is do no harm. Yeah. So important to me. I was like, it would be great if it works, but I definitely don't want to cause any harm. What can I put together that's going to be safe for most people? And it took a lot of research and time and trial and error to find that formulation.

44:43And now we really want to get it substantiated through a clinical trial. And that process, the enrollment for that clinical trial is happening as we speak. That's really exciting. I mean, even anecdotally, you have so many incredible stories and before and after pictures that I'm sure the results of the clinical trials are going to be impressive. Thank you. Yes, we're excited. I feel encouraged. Yeah.

45:13do you feel like on some level the kind of wellness industry that has gotten so popular now it's so funny because i look back and like when i think about what the things that we used to ask questions about at goop back in the day it's like so much of it is mainstream now which is so funny to me. But there's also, I mean, it's kind of a great thing about social media is that it's this great democratizer and people can find an audience and find people who they resonate with, et cetera, and get good information. But presumably there's also not good information. And I hear all the time from my kids about, I'm not on TikTok, but I hear like there's all these wellness trends on TikTok.

45:55Does this concern you at all? And are there ways to sort of fact check these, you know, cause you, we spoke about cortisol, for example, on this call. And apparently there's a whole thing on social media about cortisol face and how to get rid when you have it and how to get rid of it. So what's your sort of take on like the, you know, social media isation of wellness information. In some part, I like it because it's bringing health and wellness to the forefront and allowing people to be aware about the importance of it. So it's a bit of a double-edged sword. In that respect, I think it's great that people are interested in these things, wanting to understand it and wanting to share with other people to help them.

46:40The problem is a lot of the people who are posting don't necessarily have a health and wellness background. Misinformation can be propagated really easily. So it's sort of like a double-edged sword. I'm hoping that at some point, maybe AI or some platforms will be able to help us really, you know, fact check against like journal articles and like clinicians and thought leaders who maybe are, you know, experts in cortisol or cholesterol so that if you hear something great, and then maybe you'll take the opportunity to just fact check it before you take it as, you know, as gospel. So I know I didn't answer it as a yes or no, it's sort of a yes and no, but that's what I would recommend.

47:25Be curious, be your own self-advocate, try to find a couple of doctors or health experts that resonate with you. So as opposed to like jumping from one TikTok channel to another, where you're just going to hear all sorts of random facts and there's no way to really validate it and it becomes information overload, pick a couple of people that resonate with you who seem like they're well-credentialed. Another way to know if someone really knows what they're talking about, those people tend to tell you, I don't know, when they don't know. So I look for those people. I love when someone smart says, I don't know, because it makes me feel that when they do know, they really understand the concept.

48:04Right, right. Pick your people who are going to inspire you and seem to know what they're talking about. Right, right. Can I ask you a couple of questions, just heart related, since I have a cardiologist on the podcast here for a minute? So I have recently discovered that I have a tiny bit of plaque, which is really surprising to me because I'm super healthy and I... Guilty. This guy, also plaque. That's crazy. Tiny speck. Me too. Tiny, tiny bit. And I think I also, I'm not unconvinced that it was, you know, some, you know, I've been reading a lot about COVID and heart disease and stuff like that.

48:50And so I don't know if it's because of that or just because I'm 52 or what. Because genetically, like, I don't, you know, nobody in my family has ever dealt with like any heart disease at all. So it's a little bit of a mystery. But I wanted to ask you about protocols to really keep that in check. There's a drug called Repatha that I've heard of. I wanted to ask your opinion on that, your opinion on the efficacy of statins, which seems to be a real hotbed topic these days. We're going to need a whole separate podcast on cholesterol management, but love this category. I was excited to be on this podcast.

49:33down like through the roof. So, you know, I think once you have any demonstrable plaque, you should be on a low dose statin if you can tolerate it. The reason statins are important are that they stabilize plaque. Obviously, we know that they lower cholesterol, but we don't really care about cholesterol. We really care about the effect of cholesterol on plaque, on the actual thing that we're judging. And there's different kinds of plaque. I sit on the board as an advisor for this company that does plaque analysis. It's called Clearly. I don't know if you've had a Clearly scan. If you haven't, we should probably get you one.

50:08I'd love one. It uses AI to look at your plaque and determine if it's vulnerable, high-risk plaque or low-risk calcified plaque. And statins can help move plaque from that vulnerable plaque to the more stable calcified plaque. If I have someone with high cholesterol and their calcium spores is zero and their carotid ultrasound is normal and they have no evidence of heart disease or plaque, I'll manage it with supplements and diet and exercise and nutrition. So we'll look at, you know, bergamot extract and berberine and red yeast rice. I'm on a statin myself. As soon as I realized I was on, you know, had plaque, I started on a statin, but I think the efficacy of statins is at its lowest dose.

50:49Meaning that if you increase the dose, you don't really get that much more benefit, but you get much more side effects. So for instance, I'm on Crestor, Rosuvastatin, five milligrams. I take it every day. My cholesterol is beautiful now. It's a lot better than it was. Also, there's a couple of new kids on the block with cholesterol that we never talked about. It used to be like HDL, LDL, and triglycerides, and that's it. Now there's LP little a, lipoprotein A, ApoB, different inflammatory markers that have to do with the heart. And so we've moved from those basic cholesterol panels to these more advanced cardiac biomarkers.

51:26So if you haven't done that, we should do that as well. Okay. Okay. And what about Repatha? I use Repatha in patients who are statin intolerant or patients who are really high risk where statins are not really getting them to go. Repatha is an injectable. It's a monoclonal antibody that works to lower cholesterol. It's very, very effective. But I think most people who have heart disease and coronary plaque don't need Repatha, but it's great to have it to use in addition to statins or in replacement when people are statin intolerant. Thank you so much. Yes. I do want to ask you a little bit about detoxification.

52:08detoxification. You mentioned early autophagy, so the process whereby the body, when it's not digesting, starts to kind of gobble up these unhealthy cells and sort of like gets the toxins out of the body. That's part of our natural detoxification system, of course, sweating, et cetera. We live in a super toxic environment, obviously. Our bodies were not designed to detoxify, you know, these forever chemicals with great ease. And so there's a lot of discussion around helping the body detoxify some of these substances. And especially, you know, right now, we're dealing with this kind of post, I don't even know what to call it, apocalyptic fire in Los Angeles.

52:55And I have so many friends that are so worried about VOCs and benzene and, And, you know, all of these incredibly toxic things that could potentially be in the air or the water, asbestos that burned, you know, lithium and car batteries, etc. So I guess in your opinion, you know, what are some of the things to, you know, sort of generally like do we need to help our body with its detoxification processes? And then if so, you know, especially in a more extreme event, like post fire, what are some of the things that we can do to help the body with that process? So the first thing I would say is even after sort of like a post apocalyptic disaster where a lot of chemicals and molecules are put into the air, there's no no need to short term panic.

53:49Do you know what I mean? So like a lot of these effects that take time to accumulate and really cause damage in terms of like detoxing, there's ways to sort of help with like liver, your liver is very important for detoxification. So there's things that can upregulate liver detoxification. There's antioxidants, for instance, the number one, you know, antioxidant for the body glutathione. I think glutathione is like a master antioxidant. So, you know, glutathione, there's transdermal glutathione, if people are really worried about toxic exposures, or if they feel like they're symptomatic, there are specialty labs that can check for these, you know, like in your urine or your blood, and you can check for benzene and toluene and these different, you know, chemicals.

54:32And then, you know, we can figure out ways of detoxing the body from those. So it really depends on what the exposure is, you know, increasing your antioxidant support, antioxidants neutralize free radicals. So our concerns with a lot of these chemicals is that they produce these free radicals that can cause DNA damage. So we want to neutralize the free radicals. What neutralizes free radicals? It's antioxidants. What's an antioxidant? Vitamin C is an antioxidant. You know, eat the rainbow. You know, you're going to get a lot of phytonutrients, a lot of antioxidants just from your food. If you're worried about the air quality, you know, maybe investing in a good HEPA filter in your bedroom is a way to hedge against some of the toxicities of the air and, you know, clean your HEPA filter often.

55:18So these are sort of things that you can do that are simple that can, you know, combat, you know, toxicity and promote, you know, body detoxification. And what about things like, like saunas or taking binders like charcoal binders and sitting in a sauna? I have had patients who've done that and they found it really helpful. What I do is like I use like spirulina and broken chlorella extract. And I put those in my smoothie. That seems a lot easier for me. I love the sauna. There's a lot of health benefits for sauna separate of detoxification. But if you want to sort of use like something natural that you can put in a smoothie, spirulina and broken chlorella extract and moringa extract are things that I add to my smoothie probably two or three times a week.

56:06I don't think I get to it every single day, but I try to do it a couple of times a week and that really helps. I'll even get broken chlorella extract little capsules and I'll just take them when I remember. Chelates and gets rid of toxins. Really good for mercury also. If your heavy metals are high, that's another way of getting it down. So are there interesting wellness modalities or ways of thinking about things that are that are emerging now that you feel excited about implementing or researching further? There's so many, there's some in like the very sort of basic science medical world. And then there are things that are more in the functional medicine.

56:47I think the things in the biotech world that I'm really excited about are like liquid biopsies where we can detect tumors in the blood before that cancer becomes clinically manifest. There's a company called Galeri, which does the grail test and they look for circulating tumor DNA and are able to evaluate whether you have one of 50 different cancers. I think that that AI is going to take healthcare and medicine to the stratosphere in terms of like the use for plaque analysis and, you know, making sure that you're not going to have complications for medicines and even over-reading mammographies and ultrasounds to make sure that breast cancer is not, you know, not missed.

57:26On the functional medicine side, I I think this concept of precision medicine for the masses is what I'm the most excited about. And really seeing that come to fruition is something that is going to be part of my life's mission. That's so exciting. The thing I did want to ask you was there's WellBell Women, WellBell Women Plus, and WellBell Men. Can you talk a little bit about the distinctions between each one of those three products? Yeah, I'll start with the timeline. We started with regular WellBell for all women. And then we did WellBell men's only because men have more testosterone and we needed to have more salt palmetto to block the DHT conversion for them.

58:10And then we realized that the hormonal needs of peri and postmenopausal women also are different. When women go into perimenopause, their estrogen and progesterone drop more than their testosterone does also have relative androgen excess. So they have more testosterone compared to estrogen and progesterone. So they also needed more DHT blockade. And then I added the vitamin K2 for the osteopenia and osteoporosis and some copper and zinc to help with hormones and testosterone metabolism. The core of the different products is very similar with slight nuances for each one of those groups. That's great.

58:50And you said your, your hair like completely changed after. I have more hair now than I did in college. This is not an ad, by the way, this is like, we were, this is like from the heart. This is, this is amazing product. I'm, you know, when I find something that really works, like I always want to share it. That's kind of like the, the foundation of our, my whole business is really is just like trying to connect people to good things. So I'm just, I'm really thrilled that you have made a product that's so efficacious and, you know, like doesn't disappoint and it's done so thoughtfully, especially with like a holistic and scientific lens.

59:32Thank you. Yeah. It's a merger of, you know, science, beauty, and overall wellness. Like even the betaine hydrochloride that we put in there to increase the absorption of micronutrients was an ingredient that was specifically put there from a holistic standpoint that other, you know, other supplements don't have is a new betaine would help with overall hair, skin, and nails. So yeah, we're really proud of the results. And again, super honored to be working with you and Goop on this product. Thank you. And I had, I had so much fun on this podcast. I can't believe the hour went by so quickly, right?

1:00:09It was like 10 minutes. I couldn't believe it.

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