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Podcast Episode Notes: The Indicator from Planet Money - "I will PAY YOU to take my natural gas"
Episode Overview
- Title: I will PAY YOU to take my natural gas
- Description: A discussion about the peculiar situation in West Texas, where natural gas prices have plummeted so low that energy producers are paying others to take it away. The episode explores the reasons behind this phenomenon and its implications for the economy.
Key Concepts
- Natural Gas Pricing in West Texas
- Producers are paying to have natural gas removed.
- This situation arises primarily due to oversupply and insufficient pipeline capacity.
- Natural gas is produced as a byproduct of oil extraction in the Permian Basin.
- Beige Book Insights
- The Beige Book is a Federal Reserve report summarizing economic conditions across the U.S.
- The episode features highlights from the latest Beige Book, including anecdotes reflecting the economic landscape.
Major Themes and Discussions Economic Conditions
- Balanced Economy: The episode starts with a metaphorical comparison of the economy to a balance beam, indicating mixed signals of hiring and contractions across different regions.
- Regional Reports: The Beige Book features insights from 12 regional banks, providing anecdotal evidence of economic trends.
Award Segments
The Beigies
- Three Awards for Interesting Anecdotes:
- Third Place: Cleveland Fed reports increased enrollment in community colleges, suggesting a recovery in educational participation post-pandemic.
- Second Place: San Francisco Fed reports high produce and seafood yields resulting in lower prices, particularly for salmon.
- First Place: Dallas Fed highlights the bizarre situation of negative natural gas prices in the Permian Basin.
Natural Gas Supply Issues
- Production and Takeaway Capacity:
- The rapid increase in oil drilling has resulted in excess natural gas production with limited options for transportation due to delayed pipeline constructions.
- Producers face costs associated with disposing of surplus natural gas, which impacts their profitability.
Economic Impacts
- Impact on Oil Producers:
- The necessity to pay for natural gas removal is affecting drilling operations.
- Despite negative pricing, high oil prices still make production economically viable, but companies must navigate this added cost.
Key Takeaways
- The phenomenon of paying for natural gas disposal reflects broader supply chain and infrastructure challenges in the energy sector.
- Economic anecdotes from the Beige Book reveal insights into hiring trends, educational recovery, and price fluctuations in food and energy sectors.
- The episode illustrates the complexities of managing resource production in the context of market demands and logistical constraints.
Conclusion
- The episode provides a thought-provoking examination of an unusual economic circumstance in West Texas, emphasizing the interconnectedness of energy production and market dynamics. The insights shared through the Beige Book anecdotes further enrich the understanding of current economic conditions in various regions.
Related Episodes
- [Texas' new power grid problem](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000636704950)
- [The debate at the heart of new electricity transmission](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000664527427)
- [The rise of American natural gas](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000619425511)
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Transcript
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0:19Hey, Robert, it looks like you're trying to walk a balance beam. It's not as easy as it looks, Adrian. I mean, I take it you were inspired by the recent Olympics? The what? No, no, no. I was inspired by the Beige Book. Um, okay, yeah. I should get the gag by now. You're referring to the government document that we all love that details the economic conditions around the country. And with this release of the Beige Book, you can see an economy very carefully balanced, get it? Between expansion and contraction. We have parts of the country where hiring is slowed or even hiring freezes, but other parts where labor hiring is still chugging along.
1:00And all we got to do is wait for the dismount.
1:089.7. Good enough for a gold medal? Good enough for beige.
1:16It's the Beigy Awards, our eight times a year salute to the art and science of telling stories about the economy. I'm Robert Smith. And I'm Adrian Ma. We'll be giving out our own medals today for our favorite anecdotes from the Beige Book. We'll have one dinner item that will likely be getting much cheaper and something very valuable that is being given away for free. Ooh. But we'll warn you, there is a catch after the break. there's always a catch.
2:13Vanguard.com slash audio. That's Vanguard.com slash audio. All investing is subject to risk. Vanguard Marketing Corporation Distributor. Support for NPR and the following message come from Edward Jones. A rich life isn't always a straight line. Unexpected turns can bring new possibilities. With a hundred years of experience navigating ups and downs, Edward Jones can help guide you. Let's find your rich together. Edward Jones, member SIPC. I always like to remind everyone how this award show works. There are 12 regional banks in the Federal Reserve System. Each one carefully studies their local economy and brings back little stories of what they see.
2:56All those anecdotes are collected in the Beige Book. We read the entire thing, I swear, and pick out the most interesting items. Why don't we start with third place? Third place goes to the Cleveland Fed for a bit of encouraging news. I'll read it. Quote, overall, community college contacts reported increased enrollment for the upcoming academic year, particularly in part-time and certificate programs. Some reported that enrollment increased among individuals who left during the pandemic. Yeah, this is like, this makes me happy to hear, right? Because community colleges were really suffering for a few years.
3:30And it's nice to see people getting back to school, even if it's not to pre-pandemic levels. And when I talk to economists about education in the U.S., they are always talking about the benefits of community colleges. They're affordable, they're nearby, and they provide the much-needed training for a lot of the jobs we need to grow the economy. OK, on to the silver medal. I guess it's more good news if you are looking for cheaper prices. I mean, and who isn't, Robert? If you will, the entry from the San Francisco Fed. Quote, the supply of produce crops and seafood remained high due to elevated yields from the current season and stored inventory from the past season for some products such as salmon.
4:13Now, it doesn't say, but I suspect that this is probably farmed salmon. And I know fish prices were one of those things that people complained about during inflation. But with excess salmon supply, prices have been coming down over the last few months. So speaking of prices going down, our first place winner in this round of the Beigies tells us a story about prices going down so low that they've become negative. The Beigie Award goes to... Wait, wait, wait. We should play some sort of music. You know how they play like the national anthem in the Olympics? Uh-huh. We should play something here.
4:47Oh, okay. All right. Here we go. The Dallas Fed.
4:56Coming to the stage is Miriam Yosef, a business economist at the Dallas Fed. We spoke to her on Friday. Congratulations, Miriam. Thank you. Thank you. It's an honor to accept on behalf of the Beige Book team here at the Dallas Fed. Miriam, we haven't talked before. The Dallas Fed has won before, but you and I have not talked before. Are you new at the team? I'm very new at the team. I've just finished out my year. So when you join the Beige Book team, what's the number one thing they warn you about? I think the biggest warning comes with being careful about what anecdotes to select and to include in the Beige Book.
5:29Because oftentimes you actually have competing anecdotes where one person will be saying one thing and another person will be saying another. So you really want to pick anecdotes that actually reflect a theme that you're seeing across multiple individuals or multiple organizations. And here I thought they just picked anecdotes just to win them Beigey Awards. You do suspect sometimes, but I will say that this time the winning Beige Book entry is very subtle. So much so that I had to read it twice before I realized what it was talking about. It's about natural gas in the Permian Basin in the west of Texas.
6:03I'll read it. Listen carefully. The lack of takeaway capacity has regularly kept local natural gas prices below zero this summer, inflating costs and suppressing profits as producers must pay to have natural gas piped away. Below zero. Like, they weren't just giving away natural gas. They were paying people to take natural gas away. Gas is free in Texas. Is that right, Miriam? A yes and a no. Explain this to me. It's a very unique phenomenon that happens here in our Permian Basin where production of natural gas is actually a byproduct of what they actually want. They want oil. And so as they drill natural gas, it's just a byproduct of that.
6:50And so they have to figure out a way to get it to market. And usually that's through pipelines. And there was an unfortunate event where the pipeline construction was delayed. And so that's when we talk about takeaway capacity. So takeaway capacity was not matching the production of natural gas in the Permian Basin, so they had nowhere to send it. They couldn't ship it to markets, basically. Ah, so it goes from this valuable thing to something that you need to get rid of in order to drill for oil. You've got to put the natural gas in place, and I take it they're not allowed to just send it into the atmosphere.
7:20No, they're not. Yeah, so if you add this natural surplus gas, you can't just release it. You have to pay someone to take it. Eventually, the gas does get used by a customer, but it may take some effort to transport it to another pipeline. It's like when you hope to sell an old mattress on Facebook Marketplace. Then when no one wants it, you have to end up paying people to haul it away. We wanted to know how this was impacting Texas oil producers. So we called up Car Ingham. He's an economist and president of the Texas Alliance of Energy Producers. Well, I wouldn't say it's normal, but it's become somewhat routine in recent years.
8:02Carr says the Permian Basin has seen this big boom in oil drilling over the last 10 years. And when all of a sudden all these new oil wells came online, they also produced a lot of natural gas. The crude oil, that's no problem. They can just haul that away by trucks. But the natural gas pipelines take a long time to build. Yeah, I mean, you have to get investors, commitments from gas producers. and a lot of regulatory approvals before you can even break ground for a pipe. In the interim period of time, between the time that you recognize the problem and that there's a pipeline solution, you've got this issue.
8:36And we've had it for longer now and at a deeper level than we really have had in the past. Ingham says the new Matterhorn pipeline will be fully operational in the next few months. So maybe that'll fix things for a while, but it can't be easy. How much does this affect the bottom line of oil companies in Texas? Are they drilling less because they have to pay to get rid of the natural gas? I think that they have to be drilling less because they have to pay to get rid of the natural gas. I mean, I run these calculations on a monthly basis. And for all the natural gas that's being produced out there, if it's minus two bucks, you're talking about several hundred million dollars in production value a month out there.
9:18You can just take this right off the top revenue line for the crude oil. Well, it's just a cost to production now is disposing of that natural gas. But crude oil prices are still relatively high. And so even with negative prices in natural gas, it's still worth it to pump both out of the ground. Congratulations again to the Dallas Fed. And a big thank you to Maryam Yosef for alerting us to these unusual circumstances in the Permian Basin. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. You know, I'm thinking about getting a special truck and driving out to these oil wells to see if I can get some of that sweet, negative-priced gas.
9:57You'd have to get there first. It's a bit of a trek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not an easy place to get to. Robert, it might just be easy for you to load up your truck with some of that cheap salmon. Still barbecue season. I can do it. This episode was produced by Cooper Katz McKim with engineering by Kwasi Lee. It was fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Cake and Cannon edits the show in the indicators of production of NPR.
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The rise of American natural gas (Apple / Spotify)
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