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Podcast Notes: The Indicator from Planet Money - We Resolve to Watch These 2026 Indicators
Episode Overview
- Title: We resolve to watch these 2026 indicators
- Description: The episode discusses key economic indicators to monitor as we enter 2026, reflecting on the end of 2025 and considering future trends. The hosts, Waylon Wong and Stephen Passaja, along with producer Cooper Katz McKim, share their predictions for the upcoming year.
Key Participants
- Waylon Wong - Host
- Stephen Passaja - Host
- Cooper Katz McKim - Producer
Recap of 2025
- Indicator of the Year: Tariffs, chosen by listeners after a debate among the team where consumer sentiment and the cape ratio were also considered.
- Notable Events:
- Bad consumer sentiment vibes
- Tariffs' influence on the economy
- A strong stock market by the year's end
- Family feud over which indicator best represented 2025
Indicators to Watch in 2026
- Federal Funds Rate
- Description:
- A critical indicator reflecting the Federal Reserve's benchmark interest rate.
- Current rate: between 3.5% and 3.75%.
- Significance:
- Three consecutive rate cuts occurred at the end of 2025.
- Division within the Fed on future decisions, especially as Jerome Powell’s term ends in May.
- Potential for increased political influence on Fed decisions, with the possibility of a Trump loyalist replacing Powell.
- Economic Context:
- Mixed economic signals: rising unemployment but healthy GDP growth.
- Inflation challenges with the rate remaining above the Fed’s 2% target.
- Electricity Rates
- Description:
- A new focus on the rising costs of electricity as an affordability indicator.
- Current inflation rate for electricity: ~7%, compared to under 3% for general inflation.
- Factors Influencing Rates:
- Increased demand due to AI and data centers.
- Additional pressures from an aging power grid and recent infrastructure issues, particularly in disaster-prone areas like California.
- Predictions:
- Expectation of continued increases in electricity rates, impacting household budgets.
- Consumer Spending
- Description:
- Focus on actual consumer spending rather than sentiment, highlighting resilience despite lower confidence levels.
- Insights:
- The top 10% of consumers (earning $200,000+) largely drive spending, masking struggles faced by the lower-income population.
- Issues like auto loan delinquencies and rising credit card debt indicate broader economic concerns beneath the surface.
- Economic Implications:
- Continued strong consumer spending is reliant on the stock market; any downturn could significantly affect spending patterns.
Conclusion and Future Outlook
- The episode emphasizes the importance of these indicators in shaping the economic landscape of 2026.
- The hosts convey a sense of cautious optimism while navigating potential economic challenges.
Related Content
- Links to previous episodes discussing AI data centers and their impact on electric bills, as well as indicators of the year for 2025.
Production Details
- Produced by: Angel Carreras
- Fact-Checked by: Sierra Juarez
- Edited by: Julia Ritchie
Engagement
- Encouragement for listeners to connect through social media platforms and newsletters for further economic insights.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORecap of Last Year's Indicator Results
0:45 to 1:47
Discussion of the past year's indicator voting and results.
“And these guys battled over which indicator best represented 2025.”
Waylon's 2026 Indicator: Federal Funds Rate
1:47 to 4:02
Waylon discusses the significance of the federal funds rate for 2026 decisions.
“The indicator I'll be watching in 2026 is the federal funds rate, a.k.a.”
Stephen's 2026 Indicator: Electricity Rates
4:02 to 6:06
Stephen explains why electricity rates will be a crucial indicator in 2026.
“Yes, my indicator is all about affordability.”
Cooper's 2026 Indicator: Consumer Spending
6:06 to 8:11
Cooper highlights consumer spending trends and their implications for 2026.
“Okay, my indicator to watch this year is consumer spending.”
Transcript
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0:11This is The Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Waylon Wong and I'm joined today by Stephen Passaja. Greetings, Waylon. And our producer, Cooper Katz McKim. Hi, hello. Great to meet you. Hello. Great to meet you. Day one. Come here often. It's like we had a little break for the holidays and you just forgot who we were. Exactly. I'm your colleague, Waylon. Oh, okay. And just to catch you up from what you might have missed, we had a family feud situation here at The Indicator. It featured our very own Darian Woods and then Planet Money's Greg Rozalski and Kenny Malone. And these guys battled over which indicator best represented 2025.
0:53Kenny chose consumer sentiment. Greg argued tariffs were king and Darian made a convincing case for the cape ratio in a Dracula costume. We have counted up your votes and drumroll please. The indicator of the year chosen by you, the listener, was tariffs. By just five votes. Congratulations to one Greg Wazalski for successfully arguing that tariffs were the indicator of the year in 2025. You know, I think Darian should have done just a little more New Zealand Dracula and he would have got there. We're not here to discuss the past, though. We want to know what's going to happen in. The future. Flying cars, karate-kicking robots.
1:41Guaranteed. Today on the show, we'll bring you three indicators that could shape 2026. Stay with us after the break.
1:54Okay, Waylon, you are first. What is your indicator of the future? Ooh. The indicator I'll be watching in 2026 is the federal funds rate, a.k.a. the Federal Reserve's benchmark interest rate. So right now, the rate is between three and a half and 3.75 percent. The Fed, you might remember, did three consecutive rate cuts at the end of last year. And these are not unanimous decisions. You are seeing some divisions within the Fed about what to do on interest rates. So my indicator is really about the future of the Fed and how it's going to make decisions this year. Yeah, 2025 felt like this really big year for the Fed and feels like 2026 could be even bigger.
2:37I mean, it is the end of the Jerome Powell era. It is. And we had some close calls in 2025 where we thought maybe President Trump was going to fire Jerome Powell. That didn't end up happening, but Fed independence is still a really big story. So Powell's term as Fed chair ends in May. The president has been very clear about how he wants lower interest rates. And then he said on Truth Social just before Christmas, anybody that disagrees with me will never be the Fed chairman. So we will most likely get a Trump loyalist as chair. The president wants more allies on the committee that votes on interest rates.
3:14He already tried to fire Lisa Cook last year. Yeah, and the Supreme Court will actually hear arguments in the Lisa Cook case early this year. But you can already see tensions in the committee from the last few interest rate decisions. Like in December, two members of the committee voted for no cut and then one wanted a bigger reduction in rates. And it seems like the economic data is just really hard to parse right now. I mean, you've got unemployment ticking up, but GDP growth is also looking healthy. Inflation is maybe slowing down, but it is still above the Fed's 2 percent target. But also the economic data from the end of the year got disrupted from the government shutdown.
3:49Yeah, and so the Fed would have a pretty tricky job even without this added pressure from the president. And that is why I think interest rates and the Fed will be the economic story to watch in 2026. OK, Stephen, you are up. Yes, my indicator is all about affordability. But it is a different indicator than the ones we've been like harping on about forever. OK, we talking groceries? Yeah, so grocery prices, they are still up. But, you know, food inflation, it is under 3 % right now. There's also housing, but we have actually seen rental prices drop recently. Now, my affordability indicator to watch in 2026 are electricity rates.
4:28Oh, I think my bill's already been up this last year. Almost certainly, yeah. I mean, for a long time, electric rates in the U.S. have been pretty stable for like 20-ish years. But recently, like you said, the cost of electricity in the U.S. has been climbing way faster than overall inflation. Electric prices have jumped about 7%. Oy. Okay. So 7 % compared with just under 3 % for general inflation. So does this have something to do with AI and data centers? Yeah, everything has to do with data centers and AI in 2025 and 2026. I knew it. In fact, we recently did a Planet Money all about how AI data centers are affecting your electric bill.
5:08So you can check that out in our show notes. What you need to know now, though, is that the data centers that power AI need a lot of, you know, power. And that extra demand is leading to higher electric rates. Yeah, and it's not like the AI race is slowing down anytime soon. So we should expect that demand and those rates to keep going up, I imagine. Right. And again, we are already seeing rates go up. If you use electricity to heat your home, you can expect that cost to jump by about 12 % this winter. That is according to the National Energy Assistance Directors Association. 12%. So that's even more than the 7 % you cited earlier.
5:44Yeah, it is not pretty. But this can't be just about AI, right? I mean, I can think of maybe some other factors like an aging power grid, infrastructure that needs replacing. States like California have been dealing with natural disasters like wildfires. And that's meant spending more money on repairing lines. Yes. And all these factors are why I predict electric rates are going to keep climbing and why this is my indicator to watch for 2026. Okay, Cooper, your turn. What is your indicator? Okay, my indicator to watch this year is consumer spending. Oh, not consumer sentiment. I feel like we've been obsessed with consumer sentiment, but this is a little twist.
6:24I know. Sorry to Kenny. Don't want to put salt in the wound. Rub it in. But yeah, hard data shows the American consumer has actually been resilient in 2025, which is confusing because, as we've heard, consumer sentiment has been pretty bad. It sits 30 % below sentiment in December of 2024, this time last year. Yeah, and if I got it right, you know, like the highest rollers are spending so much, it's basically hiding the difficulties of everyone else. Yeah, so just the top 10 % of consumers account for a near majority of consumer spending, according to Global Bank RBC. And so that top 10 % is basically anyone who makes around$200 ,000 or more a year, right?
7:03Exactly. Yeah, there's that K-shaped economy coming on back for us. Yeah, and they're making money not just from working, but through assets that accrue value on their own. So these high-income earners are benefiting from their home values going up and a thriving stock market. The thing is that below that 10 % are a lot of signs that show reduced consumer confidence. Like, you know, you look at auto loan delinquencies, credit card debt. These are both at record highs. So the question is, can this overly powerful 10 % keep the good times rolling into 2026? RBC, this global bank, argues yes. They say, look, President Trump's tax cuts through the one big beautiful bill will keep benefiting upper income households.
7:45And as long as the stock market keeps on, they'll keep soaking in those dividends. So basically, consumer spending is hinging on the market staying strong? It's at least a big part of it. A stock market correction would be bad for consumer spending no matter what. But right now, it would have a particularly big impact. Sounds a lot like trickle-down economics. Interesting. Yeah, it feels like we're rooting for all that spending right now. It's going to be fine. It's going to trickle down. It's going to trickle down. I'll have my cup out and ready. Just keep the water metaphors rolling. We will keep the flow going far into 2026.
8:20You know, we're excited to deliver economic stories and news for you for the rest of the year. This episode of The Indicator was produced by Angel Carreras with engineering by Robert Rodriguez. It was fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Julia Ritchie edited this episode. Kagan Cannon edits the show. And The Indicator is a production of NPR.
From the publisher
We had bad consumer sentiment vibes, tariffs, and a seemingly ascendant stock market. And those are just a few indicators from last year!
As we enter 2026, what indicators should we keep an eye on … in the future? On today’s episode, our top indicator predictions for the new year.
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