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Podcast Summary: The Indicator from Planet Money - Episode: "Will new loan limits lower the cost of grad school?"
Overview In this episode of *The Indicator from Planet Money*, hosts Darian Woods and Waylon Wong discuss the implications of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, particularly focusing on the new limitations imposed on federal student loans for graduate students. The episode explores the potential impacts these changes may have on education costs and the broader labor market.
Key Points Discussed
The One Big Beautiful Bill Act
- Significant Changes: Introduced alterations to the federal student loan system, particularly affecting graduate students.
- Loan Caps: New annual and lifetime borrowing limits were set for graduate students, significantly impacting their ability to finance education.
The Grad Plus Loan Program
- Background: Grad Plus loans, in place for 15 years, allowed students to borrow without restrictions beyond tuition, covering books, housing, and childcare.
- Criticism: The program was criticized for contributing to rising tuition costs, leading to higher student debt levels.
- Elimination of Grad Plus: The Trump administration's decision to eliminate Grad Plus loans aimed to curb the escalating costs associated with graduate education.
Economic Perspectives
- Bennett Hypothesis: This theory posits that increases in federal student aid lead to higher tuition prices.
- Evidence: Studies show a direct correlation where, for every dollar increase in federal borrowing, sticker prices increased by approximately the same amount.
Expert Opinions
- Preston Cooper (American Enterprise Institute):
- Advocated for the elimination of Grad Plus, supporting the idea that it contributed to rising tuition and debt.
- Noted that some institutions might respond to the changes by lowering tuition.
- Leslie Turner (University of Chicago):
- Co-authored research indicating that Grad Plus had limited effects on access for underrepresented students and that other factors might play a more critical role in educational access.
- Aisa Conchola-Banias (Protect Borrowers):
- Expressed concern over the move to private lenders, which lack the protective measures of federal loans.
- Highlighted disparities faced by lower-income and marginalized students in accessing higher education.
Impacts on Graduate Programs
- New Borrowing Limits: The lifetime cap for most graduate students dropped from around $139,000 to $100,000, with select professional programs allowed to borrow up to $200,000.
- Response from Medical Programs: The American Medical Association raised alarms that the new borrowing limits could deter students from pursuing medical education, as the costs often exceed $200,000.
Conclusion and Future Outlook
- Uncertain Future: While some reductions in tuition have been observed, experts remain skeptical about widespread decreases. The full impact of these loan changes on tuition pricing and access to education will unfold over time.
- Public Commentary: The Department of Education is expected to gather public feedback on the new rules, indicating ongoing discussions around student loans and educational finance.
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- [The Market For Student Loans](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/886346296/the-market-for-student-loans)
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Final Note This episode provides a critical analysis of recent legislative changes affecting graduate education financing, emphasizing the interconnectedness of student loans, tuition costs, and broader economic trends. It highlights the ongoing challenges faced by students, particularly those from underrepresented backgrounds, in navigating the complexities of higher education financing.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Hey everyone, it's Darian Woods here. Just quickly before we start the show, I want to take a minute to talk about public media. This is what makes the Indic and local NPR stations has been eliminated. Despite that, we remain committed to this work. Just this year, we've done episodes on why the trade war is missing a referee, on the stock market, and the magic of diversification, on the surging cost of healthcare for pets. We go beyond the headlines to show you how the economy affects your life. In 2026, with your help, we can do even more. Thank you if you already go the extra mile as an NPR Plus supporter.
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1:18This is The Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Darian Woods. And I'm Waylon Wong. It is Jobs Tuesday. Yes, Tuesday. The government is still catching up with some delayed data releases after the shutdown. Today, we have numbers for November, and they show signs of a cooling labor market. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that the U.S. economy added 64 ,000 jobs in November, but the unemployment rate ticked up to 4.6 percent from 4.4 percent in September. The BLS couldn't calculate a jobless rate number for October because of the shutdown. One of the areas that did see job growth was health care.
1:58This is a field that has trended up in the last few years. But the One Big Beautiful Bill Act made some dramatic changes to federal loans for graduate students. And this could reduce the pipeline of new health care workers, from dental hygienists to physical therapists. Today on the show, we explain these changes and how they might play out in the labor market.
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3:10Learn more at fisherinvestments.com. Investing in securities involves the risk of loss. This message comes from Capital One. Capital One offers checking accounts with no fees or minimums. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details. Capital One N.A. Member FDIC. We are focusing on graduate students today. This is a group whose borrowing has driven most of the growth in student debt over the last 15 years. Many graduate students in the U.S. chuck out loans through a federal government program called Grad Plus. This program was introduced a couple of decades ago during the George W.
3:48Bush administration. Under Grad Plus, students could borrow to cover not just tuition, but books and housing and even child care. There were no other restrictions on borrowing. The generous nature of Grad Plus caught the ire of the Trump administration. It got rid of the loan program for new borrowers under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Preston Cooper is an economist at the American Enterprise Institute. It's a right-leaning think tank. Preston says the government made the right call because Grad Plus loans had led to high debt levels and tuition increases. I think the problem we ran into is that colleges took a look at these unlimited student loans that were available and said, hey, we could actually kind of use this as a cash cow.
4:28You know, we could create some new programs. We can raise our tuition. And the result is that the graduate portion of the student debt portfolio really grew. There's actually a name for this idea that increased generosity and federal student aid leads to schools hiking their prices. It's called the Bennett Hypothesis, named after an education secretary who served during the Reagan administration. The Bennett Hypothesis has been the subject of debate for decades. But does it bear out for the Grad Plus program? We called up economist Leslie Turner at the University of Chicago. She recently co-authored a working paper about these loans.
5:03When you got started studying the Grad Plus program, did you have any inkling that it was just going to go away entirely? No, it did not. I think this is the first time that my research has been incredibly well aligned in terms of timeliness with public policy decisions. Leslie and her co-authors studied the impact of the Grad Plus loan on students and schools. They used the data from Texas as a representative sample for the whole country. We looked at the increase in federal borrowing. And then we looked at whether there were corresponding increases in sticker price and then net price. So tuition fees, net of grant aid.
5:49What we found was that for every dollar increase in average federal borrowing, sticker prices went up by about a dollar. Leslie's data seems to back up Preston's point, a dollar for dollar increase. Now, some schools did offer grant aid. But even then, Leslie says the net increase was notable at around 60 to 65 cents. Now the Trump administration has eliminated Grad Plus. And so should we expect this chain of events to work in reverse with schools cutting their tuition prices? The education department says yes. And Preston Cooper at the American Enterprise Institute points to the law school at Santa Clara University in California.
6:29The school announced a new scholarship program in response to the federal policy changes. This move effectively lowers the cost of law school. It is still early on in the process, but the early signs of tuition cuts are encouraging. OK, we'll see if this is spread around the country. Yeah, economist Leslie Turner is skeptical that schools in general will cut sticker prices for their programs. I think it's quite rare to see price decreases in sort of nominal dollar terms. If there is an effect on graduate program prices, it will be an effect that shows up over time as programs increase their prices by less.
7:11Without Grad Plus, students and their families may borrow more from private lenders. That's according to Aisa Conchola-Banias. She's the policy director for Protect Borrowers. It's a national organization that advocates for students and other people with debt. Federal loans come with an array of protections and benefits that are just non-existent within the private student loan market. One benefit is debt forgiveness for graduates who work in public service. Another is repayment plans that are tied to income and family size. Ayesa says students turning to private lenders will be at a disadvantage.
7:47And many of these students already face disparities in the workplace. According to the National Women's Law Center, black women working full-time and year-round have to earn a master's degree to make more than white men with only an associate's degree. When we talk about who is most likely to have to borrow in this country, we know it's lower-income families, it's first-generation families, and it's black and brown families in particular. So we were very concerned about the elimination of the Grad Plus program, especially as they were not considering increasing grant aid. Still, the data from economist Leslie Turner's study of Grad Plus didn't show the program had an impact on access for underrepresented students in graduate programs.
8:27And she believes there could be many reasons why Grad Plus didn't move the needle for these students. Like maybe their barriers to education had more to do with their grades or family commitments than whether or not they could borrow money from the government. Even with the end of Grad Plus, there are other federal loan programs for graduate students. But the One Big Beautiful Bill Act changed how much those students can borrow. It set both annual and lifetime limits. For most graduate students, the lifetime cap dropped from around$139 ,000 to$100 ,000. A smaller group of students in programs designated as professional can borrow up to$200 ,000.
9:06Preston Cooper at the American Enterprise Institute says these are programs that tend to be expensive, but also lead to high-paying jobs. That means graduates have a better shot at paying back their loans. 11 programs got the professional designation. They include medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, and law. Other graduate programs in fields like dental hygiene and nursing did not, and this caused a bit of an uproar. This is simply a technical term to define which programs get access to these higher student loan limits. And I should also mention my degree, which is a PhD in economics, is not professional.
9:41And I still consider myself a professional. I mean, maybe your listeners won't, but, you know, I consider myself a professional and I'm not really insulted by the fact that my degree ended up on the standard side. The pushback against this new definition, though, is more than just about semantics. The American Medical Association says the changes in federal lending could make medical school unaffordable for most students. The cost of attending for many programs is well above$200 ,000. The AMA has warned that prospective doctors could be put off by the high cost of education and choose not to pursue a degree.
10:16The exact language around the Department of Education's new rules aren't finalized. It is expected to collect public comment next year.
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