Kyiv brawl: Ukraine’s top general fired

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1:12Hello and welcome to The Intelligence from The Economist. I'm Rosie Bloor.

1:21Today on the show, why police killings are rising in America, though murders are falling, and our correspondent visits a Japanese haunted house.

1:36First up, though…

1:45In recent weeks, Ukraine and Russia have been pounding each other with vengeance. On Sunday, Kiev suffered one of the biggest ballistic attacks of the war, with a five-hour assault. Ukraine has responded with strikes in Crimea and used drones to hit giant warehouses in Russian cities. But this week, the conflict came home to Ukraine in a different way, with a cabinet reshuffle that's provoked outrage among ordinary Ukrainians. It's the sign of a deep domestic political battle. The question is whether it could trigger an even more significant one. Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky has just fired his top military general, Oleksandr Sersky, this very controversial figure in the army.

2:37Shashank Joshi is our outgoing defense editor. This came after days of public protests, calling for Sersky's sacking, but also calling for the return of the Ukrainian defence minister, Mihailo Fedorov, who was dismissed last week in a cabinet reshuffle. And I think what's at stake here is the very ethos of the Ukrainian military and the nature of its war effort. Shashank, this seems like a really weird situation. You've got a country at war and massive changes at the top of its military and defence structure. You've also got a cabinet reshuffle bringing people onto the streets. Let's start at the beginning.

3:27What's going on and why did Fedorov leave? So Fedorov, to take a step back, was appointed as defence minister at the very beginning of this year. And he was previously Minister of Digital Transformation. He was a young, very well-regarded minister among Ukraine's allies. You know, I met him a few years ago. His office was covered in drones. He had done a huge amount to scale up Ukraine's use of drone technology, but also reformed the way in which these things were procured. For example, creating incentives for different brigades to hit more Russian targets that would get them more drones and more ammunition.

4:03So he was pretty well-regarded in that respect. But he had clashed repeatedly with the army, and particularly with Sersky, the commander-in-chief, who was viewed as a kind of very Soviet-style, rigid, disciplinary in general, who had very crude tactics, a very divisive figure within the army. And these clashes got worse and worse. So, for example, Fedorov, as defense minister, would say, you have to consolidate your best brigades and make sure that they're located along the same points on the front, Sersky split them up and put them at different points on the front. Fedorov tried to channel resources towards those units and brigades that were doing the most interesting things with technology.

4:45And he would find that Sersky had basically taken some of those units and put them into assault regiments, which had the highest casualties. So again and again, there was an enormous personality clash, but I think much more importantly, a culture clash between this young reformist minister and an army that he saw as blocking him and obstructing him at every turn. Okay, so Zelensky fired Fedorov. Now he's fired Sirsky, who he was fighting with. Will that resolve the problem? No, I don't think it does. First of all, Fedorov is still sacked. He doesn't have his old job back. Zelensky's been considering other candidates for that job, including the interior minister.

5:24He seems to have offered Fedorov other roles, you know, some sort of roles overseeing procurement or technology. And Fedorov realizes, I think, that he has leverage here. There's protests on the streets in favor of him. He secured the sacking of the army chief here, who was his sort of nemesis. And so there's an opportunity here for him to perhaps rest his job back. But that's part one. The other question is Serski's successor, who is Mihailo Drapati. and he has been responsible for Ukrainian defenses in the northeast of the country. And I think that his appointment is going to go down well in the army.

6:03He is viewed as a kind of new generation. And he had a public post last week and he said he believed the Ukrainian armed forces needed new technology, needed to protect people. And I think that phrase will be seen as a kind of coded rebuke to Sersky's approach to more crude tactics, which involved higher casualties. And he also says commanders have to take responsibility. I think all of that will be seen as an indication. He is much, much more in tune with the kinds of reforms that Fedorov was seeking. And so that's going to be encouraging for all of those who have been looking at Ukraine's ability to, for example, improve recruitment and enlistment in the last six months and the prospect of that momentum being kept up.

6:49Shashank, in that case, I want to reiterate my previous question. Does that appointment mean that the deeper problem is then solved? I think it begins to address one problem, which is the way that Ukraine's army is run. And that's really, really important because this moment of optimism in the war is in large part down to the fact that Ukraine's ground forces have been able to successfully blunt the extent of Russian advances, and they have imposed on Russia an unsustainably high price. And I think that keeping up the reforms was in a way the essential condition of making that happen and of everything else in the war.

7:32But there's other stuff going on, right? And I think that's really, really important to recognize. Just a couple of days ago, we saw a massive Russian ballistic missile and drone attack on Ukraine, killing eight people. And we know that Ukraine is running desperately short of the Patriot air defense interceptors that it needs to stop that kind of thing. We also know that we've seen Russian attacks on merchant ships in the Black Sea that have been putting more pressure on Ukrainian exports. So changing Ukraine's high command, changing the military leadership is really, really significant. But it doesn't solve all of those other problems that Ukraine also has to grapple with.

8:08Shashank, you've talked about what this might mean for Ukraine's strategy. What might it all mean for Zelensky himself? I think Zelensky's come out of this politically bruised. This isn't the first time he's shown bad political judgment and triggered popular outrage. You know, last year, you recall, the domestic security service in Ukraine launched raids targeting the country's anti-corruption bodies. And people were furious at that. And Zelensky had to backtrack. And here, again he had to do the same thing.

8:44Fedorov, after being sacked, publicly gave a press conference where he criticized the sitting army chief, criticized the way things were done, said that he had presided over a dysfunctional culture of lies, that units were poorly organized, there was no personal responsibility, and that's pretty bruising.

9:04And now Zelensky has to consider, does he reappoint Fedorov to that job, which would be clearly a rebuke to his own authority and bow to popular protest? Does he try to persuade Fedorov back to a different job? But I think Fedorov is unlikely to accept that. Whatever happens, I think there's a sense that Zelensky has really fumbled the politics of this. And I think particularly done so in a way that will cause his allies in Europe, in the United States, who liked Fedorov, who shared many of Fedorov's concerns about Sersky's leadership, about the way these things were done, that they will be concerned Zelensky simply had poor judgment on this.

9:44And I don't think that looks terribly good for him. And Shashank, you've talked about Ukraine's strategy in the war on this week's Insider. Tell us about that. I have. I spoke a few days ago to Jack Watling, who is a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute. He has worked really closely with Ukraine's armed forces. And we spent a lot of time discussing exactly a lot of these issues that are at stake in the Fedorov-Sersky standoff. So if you'd like to learn more, definitely tune into that. It's available on the Insider right now. Shashank, thank you very much. Thank you, Rosie.

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11:46He had a tiny little pocket knife. He was 120 pounds and he was, his wife had died the day before. His wife of like 50 years had died the day before. And instead of just somebody like sneaking up behind him and getting him, which they definitely could have done, Yeah, yeah. They belted him with a pepper ball, which ultimately killed him. That was Laura Ives, a lawyer I met in Albuquerque. The rate of police killings in that city is among the highest in the United States, and they're rising. In fact, they've been on the rise for some time nationally as well as in the city. Daniel Knowles is our Midwest correspondent.

12:28I visited the site of another police killing in the city. It didn't feel like an obvious place for a shootout. There were children playing in a paddling pool. But on May 26th, Jose Armas, a 23-year-old man who was threatening suicide, was shot dead by police officers. Everybody move back this way. Back this way. Back this way. He's got fired.

12:51He's shot down. His family had called the emergency services and they were hoping social workers would arrive, but instead they got police. His brother told local news that armors were shouted at by the cops. He went inside and he came back out with his gun and he fired it, breaking a police car's window. And then the police shot him dead. That was the fourth killing by Albuquerque's police department this year. And since 2013, 116 people have been shot and killed by the city's police. Daniel Williams is from the New Mexico branch of the ACLU, an organization which focuses on human rights and civil rights abuses in the United States.

13:35We are frequently the national leader, so to speak, in police killings. The frequency is high. You know, some years we've had a police killing somewhere in the state as frequently as every 10 days. The figures come from Mapping Police Violence, a nonprofit which tracks police killings. In Boston, a city with a population 20 % larger than Albuquerque's, there were 16 killings over the same period. Nationwide, the number of Americans killed by police has jumped by a third since 2014. The numbers are rising particularly fast in rural areas and small police departments, and it comes even as national murder rates are falling to record lows.

14:20Now, one in ten Americans who were killed in a violent way are so at the hands of the police. It's not a new problem. Think of the 2020 George Floyd protests in Minnesota and across the country.

14:37A 2014 report by Barack Obama's Department of Justice said that officers too frequently use deadly force against people who pose a minimal threat. Big cuts to New Mexico's mental health care in the last decade have made the problem worse. Here's Daniel Williams again. The reality is that in many cases, the longer you go without the care that you need, the harder it becomes to get care, the harder it becomes for that care to work quickly, to correct or to alleviate some of the symptoms. New Mexico has also seen a steep increase in drug overdose deaths in recent years. While rose deaths were trending down in most of the rest of the country, we saw an increase.

15:26And that's something that's not acceptable, I think, for any of us. And I think it's clear that that is not a problem that we can arrest our way out of. The police department for 11 years was under a federal consent decree that ended last year. The idea was to reduce the use of force by police by introducing all sorts of new policies, like restrictions on when officers can draw their guns. Alfred Mathewson is a lawyer at the University of New Mexico, and he worked on the order. We did not accomplish the primary purpose of the consent decree, which was to reduce the shootings. Why do you think that is?

16:08Culture. More police could be held accountable for particularly egregious killings. At the moment, barely a dozen are criminally charged a year. But in a lot of cases, it can be hard to fault the cops, at least at the moment of the shooting. America's a very well-armed country with little appetite for gun restrictions. One of the big challenges is that police seem to put themselves into dangerous situations. In Chicago, the number of police killings has really dropped. And one of the reasons why is that police are now restricted from chasing people on foot, which means they're less likely to get boxed into an alleyway or something with somebody with a gun.

16:50To learn more about this, I spoke to Laura Ives, who you heard from at the very start. It appears people's patience is thin and they don't do the things. And we are talking about like a human life. And people should be willing to wait to ensure that they don't take one.

17:14Albuquerque's consent decree was not a total failure. It did change how police work. They have tasers and body cameras. But the problem, she says, is that they've also become more risk-averse. There hasn't been anything like the protests in 2020 after the killing of George Floyd. But with the numbers rising and police versions of events, sometimes contradicted by witnesses, you have to wonder if it will happen again.

17:53On a recent afternoon, I visited an apartment building. But in the past, something rather tragic happened in this place. Moeka Iida is our East Asia reporter. I press the bell and go inside, and I'm greeted by a man called Matsubara Tanishi.

18:12Matsubara is a comedian in Japan.

18:17Matsubara pulls out his phone and shows me photos of what the room looked like before he moved in. There was an old lady living alone, and she was quite isolated and she was a hoarder. She passed away and then went unnoticed for days. By the time she was found, her body was lying there, buried on the mountains of rubbish. For over a decade, Matsubara has lived in houses like this where people have died in tragic or brutal ways. In one house, a man killed his brother. In another, a woman hanged herself And even the natural deaths are quite grim One man died alone and went unnoticed for two years

19:06As a comedian, he's written memoirs about his experiences Which have also inspired films These homes are known as jikobukken in Japanese Or incident properties Many Japanese people recoil at the thought of living in one. But now because of rising living costs and housing costs, these properties are looking less unappealing to some tenants. Maoka, what's this all about? Why don't people want to live in a house where someone's died? So in Japan, ancestral worship is a big part of traditional culture. So when someone passes away, there are all these Buddhist rituals that take place to mourn. So any form of death that deviates from the norm, like a murder or a suicide, or when someone goes unwarned, like the lady who used to live in the house that I visited, it's seen as a source of bad luck.

20:03It's seen in a very negative way. And a lot of tenants are reluctant to live in these houses. So that's why these houses lose value. And the level of the discount depends on the level of grimness of the previous occupant's demise. How much can you save then by living in one of these so-called haunted houses? They can be priced anywhere between 10 % or 50 % below their normal value. In the case of natural deaths, it tends to be around 10%, but especially for murder, the discount can go as much as 50%. And these discounts exist in other markets as well. So for instance, in Hong Kong, a murder can kill a price by a third.

20:41But I would say Japan has a very unique culture around them as well. How do things differ in Japan? Japan has an unusually elaborate culture around them. So for instance, there's a popular website run by a man called Oshima Teruhiya. It basically includes a map of Japan and it shows all the jikobuken all across the country. It flags these properties with a fire icon and has a brief description of the nature of the death. And there's even YouTubers who visit these houses just to look for scares. And I would say that Japan is a country where most people identify as non-religious, and they would also say that they don't believe in an afterlife.

21:20But people here are surprisingly superstitious. So there was a recent survey that showed a third of Japanese people believe in spirits. There's actually an industry that's starting to cater to these fears. So for instance, some companies dispatch Buddhist monks to visit these places, and perform cleansing rituals. And I also spoke to the founder of a company called Kachimodo. The man is called Kodama. And he does this very interesting business where he visits Jikobuken and stays there overnight to investigate whether there are ghosts or paranormal activity there. And he brings thermal cameras and other devices and tracks whether there's any unusual activity.

22:04And if there's no paranormal activity found, he issues a certificate saying the house is not haunted. And he gets requests from landlords and people in the housing market who hope that these certificates will convince possible tenants to live in these places. Morika, you've now been to one of these houses. Would you live there or even stay the night? You know, I would like to say yes, that I don't care about such things. I'm a scientific person. I'm a rational person. But I do think if I was, you know, living in my living room and I was aware of some brutal murder that took place there or about someone who took their own life, I do think it might have a bit of a psychological impact.

22:46So the house I live in, I could check Oshima Tera's website to see if it is a jikobuken, but I haven't done that. And I think I prefer not to know. So maybe I think the answer is no, I would not live in a jikobuken. Well, I come. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me, Rosie.

23:25that's all for this episode of the intelligence see you back here tomorrow

23:47We'll see you next time.

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