


12 Sep 2026 · 49m · 18 chapters

This Economist “Weekend Intelligence” episode (part 1 of 3) explains how a fringe British far-right figure, Tommy Robinson, rose from local football hooliganism in Luton to shaping a global narrative about Britain and Islam. Host Rosie Bloor interviews Texas state representative Brent Money, who says he’s increasingly worried about “Sharia law,” “no-go zones,” and “grooming gangs,” and credits Robinson as a “courageous” truth-teller. Key background: Luton’s 2009 Iraq-war homecoming parades sparked clashes; Robinson and cousin Kevin Carroll helped organize the English Defence League (EDL). The episode contrasts two “Luton” stories: Hope Not Hate trustee Peter Adams and councillor Aslam Khan describe multicultural life, while others (including police commissioner Catherine Holloway and Robinson’s supporters) emphasize poverty, organized crime, and Islamist activism. Notable examples include EDL’s early anti-Nazi flag burning, Robinson’s 2011 Newsnight appearance, and later claims that his network connected to terrorism. It also links Robinson’s modern amplification to Elon Musk’s “Shire” framing and a massive 2024 London rally.
Brent Money (Texas lawyer/state rep) and multiple interviewees/reported subjects: Peter Adams (Hope Not Hate trustee), councillor Aslam Khan, Catherine Holloway (Bedfordshire police commissioner), Nick Low (Hope Not Hate founder), Gavin McInnes (90s Maverick Media/Rebel Media), and Ashraf Hock (anthropologist).
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Join reporter Brent Money as he travels to Greenville to discuss British-American ties.
“It's a little before 9am when I reach Greenville, a town around 50 miles east of Dallas.”
Brent shares his ancestry and fondness for British culture while expressing concerns.
“I'm a husband and a father of five children.”
Brent discusses the darker perceptions of Britain among Americans amid cultural shifts.
“Because recently, I've started to notice a darker side to how many Americans perceive Britain.”
Examine how Tommy Robinson's views are shaping perceptions in both Britain and America.
“believed by powerful people in Washington and Silicon Valley.”
Learn about the early events in Luton that set the stage for Tommy Robinson's rise.
“Tommy's story begins in the spring of 2009 in the English town of Luton some 40 miles north of London It's the crucible of our story too.”
Learn about the homecoming parade of the 2nd Anglian Regiment and the protests that ensued, highlighting the tensions in Luton.
“Peter Adams is an interfaith worker in the town.”
Explore Tommy Robinson's early life in Luton and the demographic shifts that shaped his views.
“You can't understand Tommy Robinson without first understanding Luton.”
Understand the multicultural aspects of Luton through the eyes of local leaders and community celebrations.
“If Tommy Robinson is the protagonist in his story of Luton, then Peter likes to think of himself as the antagonist.”
Delve into the contrasting narratives about Luton, touching upon societal tensions and perceptions.
“In a lot of ways, this version of Luton is a version of Britain in miniature.”
Examine the economic decline of Luton, focusing on the loss of industries and rising challenges.
“He lost his town, his home, his culture, his heritage, his family, his friends and neighbours to Islam.”
Learn about the intersection of crime and multiculturalism in Luton from local leaders' perspectives.
“Perhaps they were confused by Shire in the title, but it was absolutely anything but.”
Discover the controversies surrounding Luton, including socio-political narratives and historical contexts.
“God bless the Irish, brought in to build the M1 and everything.”
Explore the historical context of Luton's immigration and its impact on local culture.
“Videos with titles like, I spent 24 hours in Britain's worst town.”
Explore the historical context of Luton's immigration and its impact on local culture.
“There's a moment just before guests arrive when my home stops feeling like a series of rooms and it becomes an atmosphere.”
Understand the interplay between local gangs, the war on terror, and the emergence of radicalism in Luton.
“Their leader was a man named Anjum Chowdhury.”
Explore the emergence and impact of Tommy Robinson and the English Defence League on British society.
“and even though it was decentralised it was clear who the figurehead was.”
Discuss how the dynamics of protests in Britain have evolved over time, particularly involving Tommy Robinson.
“That might have been the end of our story.”
Investigate the grooming gang scandal and its significant impact on public perception and politics in Britain.
“How was a pariah suddenly summoning a crowd the size of a small city onto the streets, with the richest man on earth in his corner?”

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1:41The Economist. I'm Rosie Bloor, and today on The Weekend Intelligence, we're bringing you the first in a three-part series that my colleague Georgia Banjo and Sam Westron have spent months reporting. They've been charting the rise of Tommy Robinson, a British far-right figure who's changing how Britons see their own country, and who's now shaping how many Americans do too. If you've ever wondered why a fringe football hooligan from Luton has the support of the world's richest man, well, here's Georgia.
2:20It's a little before 9am when I reach Greenville, a town around 50 miles east of Dallas. It's already been a long morning. The drive from the suburbs of Austin takes almost five hours. Driving along the highway, the state begins to change. The roadside billboards tell the story Churches, fishing tackle, cheap fireworks and pickup trucks
2:55This is rural Texas Greenville's an old frontier town that made its fortune during the era of cotton, cattle and railroads It's the kind of place you can imagine a sheriff having a pistol fight way back when.
3:17But I'm not here for local history. I'm here for money. So, yeah, my name is Brent Money. I am a lawyer. I own a real estate title company. I'm a husband and a father of five children. I'm an active member of my church, a big Dallas sports fan, and I'm happy to be here talking with you today. I'm in the offices of House Representative Brent Money. It's nice. I represent Hunt, Hopkins and Van Zandt County, which is about 200 ,000 people here in the state of Texas. Representative Money's in his late 40s. He's in jeans and a smart shirt, and he's smiling a big smile that makes his eyes squint. He's about to head off to Florida on holiday, but we've convinced him to give us an hour of his time to talk about the UK.
4:14He loves it. Downton Abbey, Father Brown, All Creatures, Great and Small, any of the, like, Poldark. We like stuff from back then. I mean, for my wife, it's the costumes and the architecture and the rolling hills and all of that. I mean, she loves all of that. My wife and I are like, when the kids are gone, we need to go take like a three-week just tour through the countryside. Because that's what, I mean, you know, where the real people live. If you're American, perhaps you can relate to Brent. Perhaps you also have a soft spot for England, the old country. I just recently got on Ancestry.com and within like, I probably worked six, seven, eight hours.
5:09But I traced the money family all the way back to 1480 in England. Yes, there was a revolution in all that. But there's a kinship that ties Britain and America. A messy, tangled history. You can feel it in the way Brent talks. There's an old church, and I looked it up on Google Maps, it's right there. It's a little church, but an old little church where one of my direct paternal, great-great-great-great-grandfather on my dad's side all the way back, his family kind of built the church, and there's an engraving of him and his wife and their 18 kids or whatever it was. And it's like, I want to go there.
5:53I want to see that.
5:57And I don't want there to be a call to prayer coming out of it when I arrive, you know.
6:12This is what's led me to Texas. Because recently, I've started to notice a darker side to how many Americans perceive Britain. A sense that it isn't just a land of nostalgia, but of dangers. Warnings about Sharia law, no-go zones, grooming gangs. That the country is being lost, specifically to Islamic invaders. We're seeing violence instigated by, you know, mostly young Islamic men throughout Europe. But it is a, it's a dangerous place to be. They call it a civilizational jihad. And it's to wipe out the non-believers. You see, Brent doesn't just care about Britain because of his ancestry. He cares because like a growing number of others, he sees my country, this continent, as a cautionary tale.
7:18A tale that a few people have been telling for a very long time, but is only now gaining ground. When you look to Europe, are there any specific, I don't know, leaders, activists, or people that you've looked to that either as a kind of source of information, or maybe even a source of inspiration about how you can try and deal with the issues you see it? I've talked with some people over there, and I'm not like a geopolitical, you know, expert of any kind. and I have spoken at an event that Tommy Robinson was at. Tommy Robinson.
8:05Depending on where you live and who you are, that name may either draw a blank or a very strong reaction. In mainstream Britain, in the world of newspapers, the six o 'clock news and parliament, Tommy Robinson's a loser. A football hooligan turned agitator, marginal, toxic and still very much to be. But the majority of British people don't like him. The majority of British people do not want our country to burn. Yet in another Britain and the places that look to it, the same man is a hero. A prophet punished and censored by the establishment for speaking hidden truths. I follow Tommy Robinson because no one else seems to have the courage to say the things that I'm thinking.
9:01All of this information has been hidden behind a wall and we finally have it out and we're realizing that the villains, such as Tommy Robinson, were actually the heroes. Listen to Tommy Robinson.
9:18Same man, same island. Two completely different stories about what's happened to Britain. Don't get me wrong, the first Britain is still the dominant one. Britain remains one of the most open and tolerant countries on earth, a place whose official story is of a country made better by a rival. In 2024, The Economist put the Statue of Liberty on the cliffs of Dover on our cover, with the title, Britain is the best place in Europe to be an immigrant. Chicken tikka masala is still our national dish. Yet the other story about Britain, that immigration is destroying the green and pleasant land of churches, tea shops and tradition.
10:06is growing. That's Brent Money's view. It also happens to be the view of Elon Musk, the world's richest man. He likens Brits to the Hobbits in the story by J.R.R. Tolkien, simple, well-meaning folk whose idyllic homeland, the Shire, is under threat. J.R.R. Tolkien based the Hobbits on people he knew in small-town England. The reason they've been able to enjoy the Shire is because hard men have protected them from the dangers of the world.
10:43Hard men like Tommy Robinson, whose account of this country in this parallel world is now believed by powerful people in Washington and Silicon Valley. I've spent months trying to understand how a perception of this country that seemed to be so fringe is now going global. I'm wondering, what happens when those parallel visions start to collide? Because hundreds of thousands of people are now listening to Tommy Robinson. Today is the spark of a cultural revolution in Great Britain. They managed to silence us for 20 years with labels Racist, Islamophobe, far right They don't work anymore The dam has well and truly burst the silent majority will be silent no longer
12:03I'm Georgia Banjo and from The Economist this is Shire Folk the story of how some of the most powerful people in America came to see Britain and Islam through the eyes of a fringe football hooligan
12:24Episode 1. Tommy's Town.
12:48Tommy's story begins in the spring of 2009 in the English town of Luton some 40 miles north of London It's the crucible of our story too. I mean, we are coming into this place where the opening part of the story is that in March 2009, it's in the height of sending troops to Iraq and to Afghanistan. There are YouTube and Facebook videos from that time. Both platforms would only have been a few years old. And the videos are as you'd expect. Crunchy sound, pixelated images. But you can clearly make out protesters clashing with other protesters. People spitting, calling each other scum. Some of them fighting the police.
13:46These were the ugly scenes that erupted in Luton. Families and friends of soldiers marching through the town reacted in anger to a Muslim protest against the Iraq war. The British public are getting a bit fed up with it all, the number of people dying. So they start instituting homecoming parades, whereby local regiments could march through their towns from which they recruit. Peter Adams is an interfaith worker in the town. He's walking me through the protests that day, helping me understand what happened, where and why. And our 2nd Anglian Regiment were back from Iraq, from a really bloody placement there.
14:32And there had been some people from Luton injured and killed out there. 200 soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, the Royal Anglian Regiment, marched through the centre of Luton, welcomed home by thousands but also along the route of protest and they came March the 10th down the street and just up there they encountered a group of Muslim men. Muslim demonstrators with placards and anti-war slogans. One chant British soldiers go to hell. The parade continued, but after the soldiers had passed, there were more angry scenes as the demonstrators were shouted down. And just up the street, side street here, where the band went up there and down another one, they encountered about 20 of these guys with their banners, and the crowd went to attack them.
15:36But actually, certain people in the crowd. And the angry protests erupting around them? Tommy Robinson is among the organisers, along with his cousin, Kevin Carroll. Soon, there will be more protests. At first, they'll be chaotic, amorphous. But they will soon coalesce into a movement called the English Defence League, or EDL. We're not fascists and they're not Marxists, and we actually stand up against the fascists. There's no extreme, the most fascist, racist people that anyone has ever come to us. In one of their first videos, a group of masked men burn a Nazi flag. And that voice? That's Tommy.
16:23But at this stage, no-one in the UK really knows who he is, what the EDL is, or what they stand for. They soon will.
16:45You can't understand Tommy Robinson without first understanding Luton. When asked to tell his story, which has happened a lot since he first appeared in 2009, he always begins there. I'm going to talk to you about Luton. I was born in 1982. When I was born in 1982, we had one mosque. I just want you to understand the demographic of the town. Luton is 30 miles north of London. It's a working-class town. It's labelled as probably one of the roughest towns in Britain. The town informs almost everything he believes about Britain. Now, increasingly, if indirectly, it sits at the heart of what Americans like Brent Money think about Britain too.
17:29But there is another side of Luton, completely different to Tommy's. A parallel reality. So over here is our tree of hope, from which you will see ribbons hanging. Yellow ribbons on this occasion, hung by members of different faith groups. Peter isn't just an objective local historian. I'm speaking to him because he's also a participant in the battle over who gets to tell this town's more recent story. He was there on the day of the protest and in the aftermath. He's also a trustee of Hope Not Hate, an organisation which has been one of Robinson's fiercest critics since 2009. If Tommy Robinson is the protagonist in his story of Luton, then Peter likes to think of himself as the antagonist.
18:24In Peter's Luton, anyone is welcome. We're walking down what would have been the old hat-making centre of the town. The Hatters being the name of the football club. but coming from the hat-making trade which was here. Every English town has a thing it was once the best in the world at. Luton's was hats. For the better part of two centuries, it was one of the hat-making capitals of the world. Boaters and bonnets, woven from straw from the surrounding shire. Luton is the biggest town in Bedfordshire, a typical English county. Really from the age of the train, when you could transport your hats elsewhere rather than make hats locally.
19:09And our straw was the longest, so they made their hats here. And the town was very wealthy. Right through until the 60s. It didn't just have hat-making. It had car-making too. Across the town square, a stone's throw from the old hat-making district, and right by where the protests erupted in 2009, I meet Councillor Aslam Khan. I arrived in Luton in 1981 and my father has lived in this country since 1960. And his uncles came in 55. So me and my mother, we came and joined our father in 1981. So we started from renting a room, all three of us living in one room. My father used to work for Vauxhall Motors.
19:59Together, these two industries were the engine of Luton's transformation. because long before Robinson was born, the tectonic plates of this town were already shifting. After the Second World War, Britain went looking for workers across its former empire. Britain had partitioned India in 1947. The new border cut straight through the rivers, and to replace the water it lost, Pakistan built a dam that put entire towns underwater and 100 ,000 people out of their homes. Many were given work vouchers, a fast track to Britain. Many went to Luton, with its factories, steady wages and overtime. Like most of the migrants, there was a view that you would come and work here and go back to your native country.
20:52But over the years, you know, most of us have settled down. Over the decades, families arrived Children were born Relatives joined relatives Whole communities took root in Luton Living peacefully alongside each other And it sounds great, doesn't it? Diverse, multicultural, harmonious People come and celebrate Big Iftar here Where people come from different communities And come and fast and eat together We have people celebrating the festival colours for those people who are celebrating Diwali. And I was the first Father Christmas, the Muslim Santa, who dressed up and I did that for 10 years, celebrating Christmas.
21:37And that's what Luton is about.
21:43In a lot of ways, this version of Luton is a version of Britain in miniature. It's the story people like to tell themselves. Luton is a wonderfully diverse and special place to live. Britain is a beacon of tolerance. A success story for multiculturalism and integration. Councillor Khan is the poster child for it. But not everyone thinks of Luton or of Bedfordshire that way. The process of saying we're a multicultural town becomes very deceptive to yourself. We're all at ease with each other. Well, actually, there's a lot of people who weren't at ease.
22:35We both have been marred by Islam. He lost his town, his home, his culture, his heritage, his family, his friends and neighbours to Islam. Luton's gone. and my city was attacked on September 11th. So we both have that axe to grind. Gavin McInnes, the founder of 90s Maverick Media, Vice News, is a friend of Tommy Robinson's. I was born in Hitchin. My mom would go get groceries in Luton and it was a quaint little town back then. So we share that history and I can identify with that. You can tell by the accent that he grew up in Canada. Gavin and Tommy don't know each other at this point. Their paths will cross more than two decades later, when they're both recruited for a right-wing media platform called Rebel Media.
23:31But in the 1980s, Gavin was the son of Irish-Scottish immigrants, living in Hertfordshire, the Shire next door. I'm British. I went to Scotland every summer as a kid. I went to England my whole life regularly. I've watched it change. I've watched it go from diverse, which is cool and interesting, to a hostile takeover.
23:58From the 1970s onwards, like much of industrial England, Luton entered a period of slow and steady decline. The fallout in part inspired Aslan Khan to get into local politics. Once we started reducing our industrial base, unfortunately, like most industrial towns, are deprived without any jobs and not enough housing. The hat-making disappeared. And Vauxhall, the car factory, it massively cut back production in 2002, and thousands of jobs were lost.
24:38This is the other story of Luton about a town that sits at the intersection of major transport routes poverty, for the south of England anyway and a growing web of organised crime a place where immigrants were marooned when the economic tide went out leaving many stranded and jobless The Home Office was under the impression that it was a sleepy shire Perhaps they were confused by Shire in the title, but it was absolutely anything but. Catherine Holloway was Bedfordshire's Police and Crime Commissioner in the mid-2010s and lived in the area while all of this was happening. She shares Peter's positive view of multicultural Luton, but she also saw it through the lens of criminality.
25:24She had direct contact with Robinson's Luton. Bedfordshire is a place where if you were an organised crime group and wanted to set up business, it might look like an ideal choice. It's traversed by the M1 and the A1 and the major rail lines so that you can move goods, people, weapons, cash, drugs around very easily. It has an airport which is linked to some of the most fragile states in Eastern Europe, which means that it's easier to encourage people to come to work in the expectation that they're coming here into admin jobs or as nannies only to find themselves forced into work in brothels or with gangmasters working illegally on farms or building projects or whatever.
26:08So it has a huge number of existing issues, all of the issues of London, but being considerably less well-funded.
26:28Um, up there on the hillside is Farley Hill, where Lennon grew up. Robinson was born in 1982 to an Irish immigrant mother. His real name's Stephen Yaxley Lennon, and he grew up with his mum and his stepdad, a Scottish pipefitter who worked at the Vauxhall car plant for a time, on the Farley Hill estate. Then, the town's biggest working-class area. It's where Peter first lived when he moved to Leuton in 2007. How would you describe the area? Poor 1956s housing estate. Lots of Irish. God bless the Irish, brought in to build the M1 and everything. But very marginal and a lot of multi-generational unemployment.
27:22up there.
27:28Luton is also where the Tate brothers are from. Their estate, think brutalist concrete high-risers, was the scene of ugly riots in the 90s. They're influencers in the manosphere world, currently under arrest for sex trafficking and sexual assault. And they both talk about Luton too, and make YouTube videos about it. Luton is a failed city, completely failed in every way. It plays into an image of Luton that exists online, a type of town influencers depict as a dangerous hellhole, a no-go zone. Videos with titles like, I spent 24 hours in Britain's worst town. In the comments, users trying to help Americans understand Luton usually compare it to Detroit.
28:16In his autobiography, Robinson recalls growing up following waves of immigration in the 60s and 70s. He describes how certain parts of town would be taken over in what he calls ethnic cleansing. Elderly non-Muslim people being forced out of their homes as one community takes a district over, a street at a time, an estate at a time.
28:46Bury Park was always the immigrant part of town. First, it was the Irish. There's a Polish contingent too. It's a place where you can eat authentic Caribbean, Afghan, even go to church in Chona. But the area has an unmistakable character. There are about ten mosques, each a short walk from the other. Walking around, I notice the rows of red-bricked Victorian terraced houses, Gardens full of wheelie bins, testament to the multiple generations living under the same roof. Young men speeding around narrow lanes in their sports cars. It's also where you can find the home ground of Luton Town Football Club, Kenilwith Road, right in the heart of Bury Park.
29:35The interesting thing about Tommy is the Yabo hooligan background. Hooliganism is a sport. It is a mutual combat activity with no knives allowed and everyone voluntarily spars. It's a boxing gym. In the late 90s and early 2000s, Robinson was one of those hard men Elon Musk referred to. The ones he thinks were protecting the shires. Gavin McInnes' take on it is that his mate Tommy's toughness was forged in the very British culture of football hooliganism. And I think that gave him the background to organise and get people together. Back in the 80s and 90s, when Tommy was growing up, every club had its firm, organised groups of supporters whose rivalries weren't far beyond the 90 minutes on the pitch.
30:29They would fight each other in organised brawls. It was its own form of sport. It was violent and often criminal. But for the men involved, it also created powerful bonds built on loyalty and reputation. A common cause to defend your turf. Luton's firm was called the Men in Gear. There was a particular gang that Tommy Robinson references and claims to have friends in called Men in Gear, the MIGs. In 2008, the year before the EDL poured onto the streets of Luton, Ashraf Hock, an anthropologist, embedded himself in Bury Park. There were black members, white members, Asian members. Eventually there were turf wars and some Muslim gangs took over the drug trade.
31:17Or had real pretensions of being the top dogs, you know, the kingpins of the area. Ashraf sees Luton very differently than Tommy does. So it's interesting to hear him describe a key turning point in the town's criminal underworld in a similar way. In the 1990s, a Kashmiri Pakistani gang took over Luton's crime world. Drugs, prostitution, fraud, robbing. Robinson claims that one group of Muslim boys stole his Nokia phone. A good one at that. Ashraf worked with people who were involved at the time. Muslim gangs really did take over the drug trade. Dealers used their family networks to pull in their cousins as runners.
32:03So there's definitely a drug problem in Luton, for sure. And there's definitely the participation of a lot of Muslims, but not exclusively, in that drug trade. And Tommy Robinson definitely knew a lot of these people and was aware of these gangs and the turf wars that happened.
32:33Stand where Robinson stood, and you'd see another Britain in miniature. Not one of tolerance and understanding, but rivalry, power struggles, and winner-takes-all battles for territory. And crucially, a hometown fast-changing beyond recognition. Illustrated perfectly for Gavin McInnes at a Hatters game in 2019. At the Luton game, it was all expats from Luton. No one in the stands lived in Luton. They'd all moved from Luton. They were mostly white. And no one from Luton, the Muslims, were at the game. I mean, does that tell you everything about the evolution of Luton in Britain?
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35:04For all the changes happening in Luton it's easy to forget that another force was reshaping the world the war on terror In Luton, the war on terror wasn't just abstract media and foreign policy talk local lads were doing the fighting At the same time, a radical Islamist fringe group called Al-Mahajirun, were claiming territory of their own, setting out stalls in the middle of Bury Park, Luton's main Muslim area, and the home of the Hattis, the centre of Robinson's world. Their leader was a man named Anjum Chowdhury. So you had the Al-Mahajirun and their leader, Anjum Chowdhury. They had a daily stall on Dunstable Road where all their paraphernalia, their pamphlets and books and literature would be displayed, horrible things, anti-Semitic things, really, you know, anti-women, you know, really unsavoury thoughts and concepts and ideas.
36:07And there would be a bunch of them speaking, debating, like Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park. As Ashraf Hock explained to me, many of the people involved in this group weren't actually from Luton. For pretty much all of Luton's Muslim communities, El-Mahajorin were an embarrassment. Most of them have criminal records. Most of them were drug pushers who became reformed and didn't go down the quietest route, rather became more politicised, militant jihadists. They believe in an Islamic state, and some of these people that I came across in Luton actually ended up in ISIS, ended up in Syria and Iraq, and ended up dying.
36:52On one side of town, One, families were mourning soldiers killed fighting Islamist extremists overseas. On another, a small group of Islamist activists spread hate from a stall in Bury Park. Throw in a global financial crisis, the demographic change, the turf wars, and the tension. It was an explosive combination. And on the 10th of March 2009, it finally ignited. The town's two stories, the idea of a tolerant multicultural existence, and the gangs, the wars, the years of economic pressure, they all collided in this moment. A message to Anjan children, we English Defence League, who will attest your kind as our forefathers did.
37:42We're ledigiously pursuing you in our press to see all the white palace from our great democratic country. Long live the free.
37:53In the early days, the EDL would wear black balaclavas to hide their identities, a matching black polo shirt with St George's crosses stitched onto them. Right from the start, they tried to distance themselves from the far-right movements of the past. Oswald Mosley's fascist party in the 1930s, the white supremacist National Front decades later. In the EDL's first video, that one where they burnt a Nazi flag, They claimed to be anti-Islam, not racist. Their spokesperson, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, initially anonymous, began to go by various aliases. For a while, he was Tyrone after, in his words, the short fat geezer from the soap opera Coronation Street.
38:41But he soon became Tommy Robinson, an alter ego stolen from a fellow football hooligan.
38:53You can say Luton is in harmony. You can write Luton is in harmony. You can keep on telling everyone Luton is in harmony. It is not in harmony.
39:10The EDL marches are organised on Facebook, which, back in 2009, like the EDL, is pretty much brand new. Twitter is only a couple of years old. Instagram doesn't exist yet.
39:28The EDL never pretended to be a political party and didn't want to be one. It was, plain and simple, a grassroots protest movement. They would do marches in towns and cities up and down the country. He would try to dress it up, that they were opposing radical Islam. But for most of his supporters, it was just about Muslims. And, you know, the chants would be about, you know, ban the mosques, abusive stuff about Allah. They weren't chanting about radical Islam. They were just chanting about Muslims. For the last 22 years, Nick Laos has run an organisation called Hope Not Hate, the same organisation Peter from Luton is affiliated with.
40:18It runs campaigns and investigations against figures on the far right of British politics. It was probably late 2010. We were in Leicester and I was out on the street taking pictures. We had a couple of teams out. And there'd been quite a lot of violence and there'd been, you know, EDL people had been throwing bricks and bottles at the police and police were in riot gear, etc, etc. And this bus pulled alongside us and they were all jeering in the bus. And then this bloke in a kind of green bomber jacket literally ripped open the doors and led a charge out to try to attack us. And that was Tommy Robinson.
41:00And I remember him kind of leaning through the police lines to me saying, I know where you live, I know who you are. This is Nick's first encounter with Tommy. He'll go on to have several. They'll exchange a flurry of DMs, go out for lunch. Eventually Tommy will stand on Nick's doorstep and hurl a beast at him. Nick will make documentaries about Tommy. Tommy about Nick. But we'll come to that later. For now, he is watching a nemesis emerge. And that was the first time I saw him face to face. He's a small bloke. And yet, I think from that day, and there have been other instances, you can see why he's a leader in that crowd.
41:45He's got a charisma and he's got a way that he both goes from the front and, you know, that inspires people. His background in football hooliganism informed how he ran the EDL with local networks, local rivalries, a coach, a pub, a march. All he had to do was turn up. and even though it was decentralised it was clear who the figurehead was. There was an incident I think back in 2010 where Muslim Against Crusades an offshoot from Al-Marjurun were setting fire to poppies on Armistice Day down in West London and across the road there was an EDL protest and the police keeping them apart or whatever and literally through the park he came on his own running at this Al-Majirun crowd, 60, 70 people, and literally dived over the fences into the crowd and started fighting, all on his own.
42:49Some of those clashes were really violent, you know, where literally hundreds and hundreds of people would be fighting the police, they'd be smashing police vans, and that was the sort of people he attracted. During this period, for anyone following the news, Tommy Robinson became an infamous household name.
43:18Most people heard about English defence through documentaries, through the media, through the only way we get our voice out there is from that. Back then, if you wanted to reach the British public, there was still, essentially, only one route. Broadcast news. A handful of channels, commissioning editors, producers, all deciding who gets to speak and under what terms. Robinson knew he needed to invite news crews to speeches and marches and take any opportunity to get his message out. In 2011, Robinson appeared on the BBC's most famous current affairs show, Newsnight. English Defence League, what are you defending England from?
44:03Sharia law, Islamism, the complete spread of militant Islam, which we're seeing in our towns and cities across the country. You believe that this country is in serious danger of being taken over and put under Sharia law? I believe that towns and cities have got the spread of Sharia law. We're seeing people calling for it to be implemented on a daily basis. The programme's presenter, Jeremy Paxman, was dismissive, scathing even, his usual trademark style. Still, watching it back now, it's unsettling, because not everything Robinson was saying should have been dismissed. Call it our first sliding doors moment in the Tommy Robinson story.
44:44Anjum Trowdhury, the man behind the stall, behind the parade protest that started all this, would go on operating in plain sight for years. He never carried out an attack himself, but his followers did. Two men who butchered and beheaded a soldier named Lee Rigby on the London Street in 2013. The ringleader of the London Bridge attack in 2017. The fishmonger's haul attacker in 2019. One of his associates turned up in Syria as an ISIS executioner. Hooded, on camera, standing over kneeling prisoners. Police would eventually link hundreds of people from his network to terrorism. Hundreds more went off to Syria.
45:29It wasn't until 15 years after the EDL march in 2009 that a court finally named what he was doing. Directing a terrorist organisation. Robinson wasn't inventing Luton, but he was editing it. The gangs, the stall, the worst behaviour of a small number of men. and nothing else in the frame. But the British media weren't imagining things either. The EDL was violent. Its marches put towns into lockdowns. Its events drew white nationalists, neo-Nazis, ethno-nationalists, men doing stiff-armed salutes photographed at the edges of the crowds. In the end, the strongest confirmation came from Robinson himself.
46:20In 2013, he walked away, saying the movement he'd built had become the very thing its critics always said it was. When some moron lifts up his top and he's got the picture of a mosque saying boom, and it's all over the national newspapers, it's me. It's when I pick up my kids from school, the parents are looking at me, judging me on that. And that's not what I've stood for. And my decision to do is to be true to what I stand for. and whilst I want to lead a revolution against Islamist ideology, I don't want to lead a revolution against Muslims. When it started on these estates in Luton, the EDL tapped into genuine concerns about Islamic extremism.
46:59But since then it has become a violent and almost uncontrollable movement, a movement that now seems to have no leadership at all.
47:21That might have been the end of our story. The movement collapsed. Its leader was disgraced. His 15 minutes of fame seemed to be over. I grew up in Britain during this time. I remember the English Defence League, the protests, the fights. But I have to admit, over the next 12 years that followed, I didn't think about Robinson. Not really. He'd pop up in the news very occasionally, a seemingly endless stream of court cases, a failed attempt to run for European Parliament after Brexit. He always seemed to be something of a joke. Until, that is, fairly recently.
48:08Last September, I was in central London to do some shopping. I'd just got engaged, we were going to buy the ring It was a lovely sunny day, perfect picnic weather Coming out of the tube station, I was suddenly surrounded by families draped in Union Jacks Marches, beers in hand, spilling out at the Riverside pubs, holding St George's flags Signs reading, we want our country back Tommy Robinson was holding a march But this wasn't the same old ragtag bunch of hooligans from Luton. This was central London. Whitehall. Parliament Square. Police say 150 ,000 people were there. And the star speaker? Elon Musk, talking about a pending civil war.
49:02Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die. You either fight back or you die. And that's the truth. Today, Elon, I think the British public are telling the world that they're ready to fight back. Good. Yes. Come on. Come on, Raybrian. No!
49:41On the cheap home, I watched black and brown people shrink into their seats, making themselves smaller to avoid attention from those who would not want them there. Perhaps I was projecting. But I felt then that Britain had changed. And something else was changing too. So I wanted to know. How was a pariah suddenly summoning a crowd the size of a small city onto the streets, with the richest man on earth in his corner? And why did he keep popping up everywhere? America, Russia, Israel. Turning up, Forrest Gump style at pivotal moments, ready to take advantage. He's going to put hundreds of thousands of people out on the street.
50:34No other person can do that. And, you know, we've got to understand that.
50:43Over the next decade, few issues would do more to transform Robinson's influence than the grooming gang scandal, and his claim that Britain's political and media elites had chosen silence over the truth. For Elon Musk, it would become proof that the Shire had been invaded. Since they have almost no exposure to the dangers of the world, they don't realise that they're there. Until one day, you know, a thousand people show up in your village of 500. Out of nowhere. And start rafing the kids.
51:27It remains one of the darkest scandals in modern British history. That's next time.
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For 15 years, the British media dismissed Tommy Robinson as a far-right extremist. We kept him off our televisions, and out of our newspapers.
Today his rallies attract tens of thousands of followers and he has the ear of the world’s richest man.
Shire Folk is the story of how some of the most powerful people in America came to see Britain—and Islam—through the eyes of a fringe football hooligan.
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