Paige Dana Summerton - #37

0:00Paige Dana welcome to the podcast. Hello thank you for having me on. For the people that may not know who you are would you just be able to sum yourself up? Yeah for sure my name is Paige Dana I'm a content creator is probably what I'm known best for and also an athlete as well and coach. Yeah I'd definitely say that you're you're an athlete I see non-stop you training online for multiple things whether it's a triathlon. tyroxies yeah uh whether it's running and i'd say that you're getting pretty serious with it now yeah i think so yeah i've yeah i've dabbled into everything definitely uh i think that's probably what i'm known best for to be honest is like throwing my like saying yes and just throwing myself into everything um but yeah it's getting yeah it's probably got more serious over the past six months i'd say yeah where where did it all start have you always been into fitness um so i would say probably started when i was growing up i mean i started in football okay so i was yeah i was in the local team for a few years what team was that harrogate railway railway um okay yeah i was that's probably like old school name in it harrogate railway yeah it is um so yeah i was in the football team growing up what position um i was midfield yeah um so i'd spend like my Saturday Sundays at playing games and then Tuesday evenings training yeah how serious how serious did that get um not that serious no I was I mean just played for the local team and the league for a few years um because my sister also played it and she was always like a big role model I feel like being the youngest sibling like you look up to you yeah your oldest sister um a a little bit older than you yeah she's about five years older than me um so she was in the local team as well and we played for the same team and yeah I just wanted to be like her at the time so I was like oh I'm gonna join the team as well um so yeah I spent a lot of time playing football when I was younger um but then I actually went into dance when probably about the end of primary school started taking dance a bit more seriously and they always say the best footballers are ballet dancers so yeah billy elliott yeah exactly good on your feet fast um so i went to dance um i started off doing like ballet and modern and then um as i spent more time at my local dance school i just got into everything tap ballet modern jazz did it all um and then made my way down into the musical theater route from there and where did that like take you um so then that got serious going into dance um so i would spend yeah like four or five nights after school dancing in high school and then at the end of high school i realized i wanted to like go further with it and then i trained professionally at dance college at musical theater college for four years so you you was a professional dancer yeah class yeah i don't know whether anyone really knows that about me no i didn't know that at all yeah so i um trained at a professional musical theater college for four years yeah and like you say in theater um what was the specific things that you do did like um what's it called choreo choreo yeah choreography yeah that was there like any specific um so my like we had to do it all okay at college like you have to do it all and it's like it was an intense it's an intense thing like you you're there 12 hours a day like the door used to get locked at like 8am and you were there till like 6 7 at night what was the training like was it like intense training like literally for 12 hours straight or was it like breaks yeah intense training you'd you had six classes a day 15 minutes between each one and you got like a lunch break for an hour but yeah it was it was an intense and was it a big group of people yeah there was about 30 of us in the year yeah and there's you have like year one year two year three and then you also have like a foundation course at musical theatre college as well um so there's only like 100 people in the college in total um but yeah you get really close to the people in your year and then did you like go on to appear in anything or do anything with that uh no so in my third year we actually then went into lockdown so a lot of our third year was like ballet classes in the kitchen so like we were just like how does that even work i know i know like my mum and dad would just be like walking through and we were all on zoom like just holding on to the kitchen and side as like the bar in ballet um but yeah that was an experience but yeah no we went into covid and then that's how i then got into like fitness because i did my pt qualification um during covid because i've got the time whilst i'm at home um so yeah then i went into fitness that's how i kind of then got into fitness um I want to ask so obviously let's say you was training uh ballet and dance for quite a while how does that carry over into fitness because I feel like there's so much that you can like learn from like a even like a stability balance side power uh all these things that like dance requires yeah how did that carry over into kind of like your fitness journey I would say like I would say that's probably the reason why I've got such an engine on me at the like now is like we and also how I'm so resilient as well like it because it was so strict and it was it was so demanding like physically and mentally is that's how I've carried all of that into like everyday life now and into my training and like becoming the athlete um yeah it was it was a lot like even before college like we would do like cardio classes and like we would go and we would all train before a full day of dance like it was crazy like we'd go and like we'd all do a full hour's worth of cardio we called it cardio it was like a fitness class and then we'd go into a full day of dance and then was that like in a gym or something like that just in the studio just in the studio yeah just yeah what would the typical fitness class be um i mean it was to songs so it was it's what people call dance size but it was like serious it was like zumba or like more intense um more intense yeah more intense yeah but then also like in each genre of dance you would do different like conditioning for them so like in ballet we would do a lot of like jumps and a lot of like tendus things like that that would like strengthen our legs and then like you would then go into jazz and you would do a bit more like conditioning and you would do like more cardio based endurance stuff yeah no it's interesting because like me as an athlete now i do so much like balance work and stability work yeah now for like injury prevention that's i feel like you've probably like say already built that base and and that's probably allowed you to be able to do more volume now yeah because you can balance on one leg yeah with ease and without even thinking about it yeah yeah definitely um but but yeah so like you say you you got your pt qualification how was that how was getting that was it easy was it hard um yeah it was quite easy i had in college at the end of the three years you do have to take a bit of like a fitness exam anyway so like you study anatomy yeah you kind of study that in third year so a lot of that I just carried over into my PT qualification I was like it was I was in a very good position at the time where I like was learning all that anyway so I then yeah it was a quick I don't know I think I got the qualification within like six months to a year I was like already qualified and yeah yeah class was that your like first job yeah it was I then because obviously COVID then lifted like gyms opened and yeah I jumped into a a gym floor job and I just like pt'd you're like a bannertine have you heard of bannertine yeah I worked in a bannertine right okay just on the gym floor doing some classes and doing one-to-one stuff um and then I was building my social media at the time um yeah how was um how was that how was pt and one-to-one what was like your clientele like typical clientele um it was a lot of older people and that was just because of the area where the gym was um so yeah I worked with a lot of older clients um which i kind of enjoy like yeah i love talking and they love talking as well like for them it's like a social thing so that was very good um but i enjoyed doing the classes more yeah because like people were there to like work out and no it's crazy i feel like a ptm if you're not a pt then people think oh it's very like dry and it's like you are telling people to do exercises and that's it yeah but in reality you're more like a counselor yeah in my opinion yeah from my experience yeah like you're there to talk about their day how give them advice yeah and sometimes it just turns into a chat yeah rather than a workout sometimes obviously you do have clients that are wanting to come in and they they're completely silent on all they want to do is train and they want to be put through the paces but for the majority of people it's more like a yeah it is no it is yeah you it gets a bit deep and you're like whoa right into your next set yeah so so you enjoyed that side of it yeah yeah I did yeah because it was kind of my introduction to the industry yeah and like you said you started to build kind of like your social media on the side of this yeah how why did you decide to do that and like why did you start like documenting your life online like was there a reason um so how my page actually started I was a food page I like I would not show my face like I did not show my face who I was on my Instagram um and I would make recipes and share them were they like healthy recipes or were they like just like nice tasting recipes um yeah like healthy recipes I guess yeah go on give us a couple of meals that you um but a lot of them were like porridge bowls like they were just porridge bowls and like baked oats just like different versions of them um yeah I don't know whether a few posts are there if you scroll all the way down you'll probably see some looking after this yeah we'll be making them tomorrow yeah yeah tag me um so yeah it was like started off as like a a food page i never showed my face and it was oh it was on private for like a few months um and again this was probably at the end of college when i first started like posting a bit more and it was actually danny who was like you need to take that off private like take it off private people want to see it so danny's your partner yeah how long have you been with danny um nearly eight years now eight years yeah some time yeah that's incredible and uh you're getting married this year we are in four months time yeah how are you feeling about that it makes me feel not old but it makes me feel grown up yeah yeah yeah yeah that's incredible danny's a great guy as well yeah yeah no that's cool that's cool um so yeah back to the page yeah so it came off private and I was like right now I need to start posting a little bit more maybe and then then when I obviously got into like PT and into the gym I then started to film workouts and stuff and started to put those up um but yeah what was the reaction like when you turned it from private to like say public um good feedback yeah I think so yeah I think so yeah I um I was also like I was following do you know grace beverly yes yes she had a fitness app called shreddy at the time and like i was like a very active user of that and we like there was like a community online of the of the shreddy girls and that's how i kind of like built the community and like we would just like share workouts and share recipes and things and that's kind of how we then yeah just started to grow grow the page yeah that's really cool yeah so you started to document like your your journey what was the first kind of goal that you set out to do within your fitness kind of like career um first goal I would say like my biggest goal was probably to run a marathon okay I know that was a big goal for like your first fitness goal um some going yeah yeah so like it it was when I then moved to London um nearly five years ago now and it the main reason to move into London was to start growing the page even more um and yeah when I moved to London I decided to sign up for the London Marathon um so I was like why not I'm here now like let's just do it and then that's the main journey that I started documenting like properly on social media yeah yeah and uh how was training for that it was a lot yeah it was a lot what was the furthest you'd run before like standing up to the marathon oh like 5k like 5k yeah but like going from from scratch to yeah the marathon yeah and it was probably just the one-off 5k did you get a coach or anything no i just use runner right okay yeah yeah amazing it's pretty good and isn't it for like starting off i feel like yeah definitely yeah yeah yeah it was i because again i had no structure of running before so i didn't know yeah yeah what to do like it's a kind of like a nice stepping so for anyone that's like getting into running yeah i always like recommend like runner the app is perfect yeah it kind of nails the the distances yeah um and like you say gradually progressively builds up like you would with your gym training yeah and it's just very similar isn't it like progressive overload at the end of the day yeah um so how long was this prep like the london marathon is normally around april time yeah yeah so i started training i think i got my space in the of november before okay so and then i started like actually training on the first of jan okay so you had a big kind of like 12 week block yeah i think it was 16 yeah i think it's a 16 week yeah nice yeah um and yeah i was going into unknown like i was i was diving in the deep end there but like my main aim was to finish it like i didn't set a time goal or anything like that my main aim was just to finish the race yeah yeah how uh how was training was there like was there any like specific like hard points where you thought oh like considering giving up kind of or was you um pretty set in your ways and yeah I was kind of set in my ways yeah and again I think it's just because of my background and of like growing up in in dance and I suppose in sport like it's yeah I wasn't giving up like if I said I was going to do something I'm going to do it so yeah I just kind of got through it there was never really a point when I was like I don't I don't think I'm going to be able to do this I knew I was going to be able to do it but yeah yeah when you uh when you set goals do you kind of seek for extrinsic motivation so like say putting it out there on socials and having the pressure of other people like peering into your life and watching do you kind of like rely on that to keep you accountable or do you just say inside and internally and kind of like are you internally like uh internally motivated um i don't i think i'm a bit of both to be honest like every time i race i know there are like thousands of people waiting to see the result like on on my instagram like i know people like want to see what I got um I'd say a bit of both I would say like obviously I want to do it for myself and I want to make sure I smash it and do everything the best I can but yeah I feel I feel a lot of pressure when I'm doing things now and putting goals out there um but I do like to do it yeah yeah I was just about to ask that does that like affect your goal setting does it drive you to set bigger goals or do you does it kind of limit and hinder your goals like of what you think mentally you can achieve yeah because it's going out there like are you scared to fail or do you think that's just part and parcel of of life yeah I think that's part and parcel and again like when we when we like graduated college like I still did audition for like dance jobs because like I just felt like I had to um like you you need to be the best in the room like you need to be doing your best and like you will like it's a very brutal industry like you are told if you're not the best and like you were told like you're you're not good kind of thing or you you don't fit the job and like again I carried that into like training and like into my fitness career as well like I I always strive to like be the best I can and I'm not I'm not afraid for someone to tell me like that wasn't good or like you failed like I'm not afraid of that so I think I that's my mindset now going into like races and things like it's someone could i'm not fussed if someone says that wasn't a good performance you know yeah because i know i'm capable of more and i can bring it to the table do you have someone in your life that is truthful with that kind of stuff oh yeah danny danny yeah so he'll be brutally honest he won't just say oh that's don't worry page that's fine that's fine you did amazing there yeah like if if he knows that you've not specifically trained or feel properly for a specific training session and then you go out and bonk like will he tell you absolutely yeah he'll be like why did you do that he's like that was silly or like i'll have a like a session won't go my way and he'd be like well what are you surprised like you know we were out late last night we you did this you did that like he will just yeah he'll he'll tell me or like if i come back and i'm like oh these are these are my paces for the run he was like you could have pushed out of there you could have pushed out of you know like he will tell me how important is it to have someone like that in your life do you think oh so important yeah really important and especially recently as well like I think because I have become a bit more serious and like you know I'm training harder and Danny is actually my coach now okay so he programs for me um so that's another reason why he'll tell me yeah how's that relationship I was just about to ask yeah it's fine like he definitely programs me stuff I don't want to do but like I need that at the same time.

18:42Coaches will program stuff you don't want to do. And you'll listen to everything that he says? Yeah. No matter what? No, yeah. Yeah, I do it. I think he'll say I do it. I think. I do have a run coach as well. So my run coach does all the runs and then Danny programs me all gym work. Yeah, amazing. But yeah, he will tell me. And no arguments? No, no. Stern words. Stern words, definitely. Bickering. Yeah, yeah. but we separate that to the relationship that's amazing that's a that is uh yeah that's good that you've got obviously that that relationship with him that you can do that yeah um but no interesting so you go on to do the marathon how did you do yeah i did quite for my first marathon i think i it was like a 347 right okay so quick yeah very good yeah it was really really chuffed um um i would say though that i didn't actually enjoy it and at all not really and i think that's because i took so much pressure to the start line with me and that is my one piece of advice now everyone asks me like you know i'm running my first marathon like what what's your one piece of piece of advice like what can you tell me and i'm like enjoy it please enjoy it if it's your first marathon you have to you have to enjoy it otherwise you're not going to want to do it again and you you won't you won't want to do it again yeah yeah i definitely agree i'd give the same advice for someone doing like a high rocks i feel like because with both the marathon and high rocks there's so many things that can go wrong that are like almost out of your control yeah you're never you're obviously going to pb on your first goal because you've never done it before yeah but you're never going to get the best time on the first go yeah especially with the marathon distance that there's so many things that can go wrong whether it's weather whether it's tiredness you know not sleeping well the nights before whether it's like nutrition nutrition is a huge one like yeah massive i feel like you only you need to do a marathon to experience like the actual difficulties and the pain that you're going to go through yeah and then the next one you know like just physically knowing that you've run that distance yeah i think you you naturally do better yeah um so i agree yeah yeah um did you uh so so after the marathon yeah what was it like after that like crossing that finish line was it like was you disappointed with yourself or was you buzzing with yourself was you like i'm never running that again um no i was buzzing with myself yeah i probably did say i'm not doing that again but i think i feel like i'm it's the same with every race to be honest even high rocks is like you finish them you're like that pain was horrible and then like two hours later you've forgotten about it you know you just you sign up for the next one and you're ready for the next one you just you just do it you kind of like romanticize about the past you don't yeah for some reason with any kind of like endurance event you forget how much it hurts yeah no i know you just remember like the good times in it yeah you do which is good i suppose yeah that's why we keep doing it yeah because you remember oh that one time i did this and then yeah uh and then you sign up to another one you're like oh miss that yeah literally and then you don't realize all the pain that you went through as well yeah pain's good for you yeah because then i was signed up for the berlin marathon literally right okay same year yeah you go to do the berlin marathon yeah was that like your next goal so yeah that was my next goal yeah yeah but what's it like six months later september time yeah late september okay so how did you change everything like your training everything did it just get a little bit more serious or um yeah it got a little bit more serious um probably again i i obviously put pressure on myself for the first one um not time wise and not pace wise but like i put a lot of pressure on myself just to like finish it and actually enjoy it that i didn't enjoy it that's kind of why i didn't enjoy the london marathon um but yeah then i focused on a bit more of speed work a bit more you know see how far i can actually push myself in this in this berlin marathon um so yeah and like i said you forget the pain so you just do it what was the difference like the main difference obviously training from the london marathon and having that training block compared to the berlin one is you're doing one prep in winter one prep yeah that make a big difference massive yeah yeah massive like dark mornings it's wet you know during january february time to do like most running outside yeah do as much as i can outside yeah um so yeah training for berlin was beautiful yeah it's great yeah and how did you do on that um i ran a 323 323 so what's that like over a 20 minute pb yeah yeah wow and i enjoyed it so much more yeah i loved it i just like the smile did not leave my face and what changed within that just i again i took a bit of pressure off myself and just went in with a better mindset, I think.

23:44And I was more conditioned for it as well. I think like going into my second marathon training block, I'd learned from the first like what to do, what not to do. And I was sharing more of my journey on social media as well at the time, which is why, again, like I kind of went into my next marathon block quite soon is because I didn't feel like I had to do it, but I felt like I've kind of built this audience in this community whilst I've been marathon trainer. like now i need to kind of like do another one so then that's kind of why i jumped into it so soon um otherwise i'd have probably taken a year out before i'm doing the next one um but yeah i was sharing more of my journey and like a lot more people have started to run and started to run marathons like running is like a big thing now and i don't know it never really used to be like it's huge now i think it's yeah there's a run club on every street corner yeah yeah which is a good i think i think the more people are getting out and it's so simple to do like yeah you just need a pair of shoes yeah literally yeah and it's kind of cool especially within london like we were discussing before the podcast like gyms are like hard to come by like good gyms in london yeah i feel like during everything's so expensive and there's limited space and things like that but everyone can run yeah well most people can run yeah um so i feel like especially here yeah running's a lot more popular yeah definitely yeah i like i was when we were i was talking to emily before and we were saying that like i run the same route every day like i've run every day yeah i run loops of victoria park that's it like all the time um because also when you've got sessions you don't want to be crossing roads and things like that the only time i'll probably ever run into central london is if i've got like again if i'm marathon training i've got like a 30k then i'll probably venture out because that is a bit boring just doing like 2k loops for 30k um or if i'm running with a friend like it's nice to go into central um but apart from that i'm like lapping the park up yeah yeah there are some pretty good parks around here as well yeah nice and flat which parks would you recommend for people in london running um or if you're visiting i'm east so victoria park yep um battersea is a big one for running yeah um yeah people do a lot of loops about i see um they're kind of only like the two parks i could think of that are like because that's east and then one's west so a lot of people stay there and then if you're going into central like just running down the river right down the river i've heard everyone runs down the river yeah it's it's a good it's a nice out and back kind of thing you can run down one side back down the other yeah because every time we come like i really struggle just because of the amount out of streets and you've stopped and started yeah yeah um yeah it's a little bit uh quite up north i'd say yeah yeah yeah definitely um yeah no that's interesting so like you say you're building like this huge community especially from the running side yeah was this the point that after the building marathon was that the point that you decided to mix it up a little bit or did you go into another marathon um that was september 2023 and i think i did my first high rocks at the end of 2023 as a doubles yeah i think i then did a high rocks who who was your double spot there um it was my friend called hannah um we went to college together and yeah she'd started to do a she'd done a couple of solos actually and um she was like should we just do a doubles I was like yeah fine um so how did you find training for high rocks compared to uh training for primary primarily just running um yeah so different like so different um did you do much like obviously your personal training so you was in a gym but did you do a lot of gym work before yeah I was still doing a lot of gym work yeah I would have still said like even though like I started off training for marathons and things as like the start of my journey on socials and things I would say I've always been just gym based um I never really called myself a runner even though I was putting myself out there running all these marathons and stuff I never really called myself a runner um so yeah no I still did a lot of gym work um so it wasn't really too much change for me um obviously I wasn't doing the long runs anymore um but yeah I found the transition fairly fairly simple to be honest yeah yeah what was training looking like um did you have like a general training split um i actually uh i don't think i had a coach at the time i don't think i did but i did do with like my introduction to high rocks i did just join more classes yeah and i did because like we're spoiled here in london for fitness classes and things um but i did a lot of classes just to like get my kind of like bearings around like the the movements and things yeah getting i think class is a great thing because like you can watch other people yeah do the exercises as well yeah yeah like a little hack yeah like if you're getting into high rocks yes you can study everything you can youtube it but yeah seeing it in person is like completely different yeah if you don't know how to use a ski egg you don't know how to use a rower burpee broad jump warball yeah and just get yourself into a class yeah and then you'll either look at someone else and copy their technique yeah or i think you get well you should do you should get told by the instructor very quickly if you're doing it wrong yeah literally or how to optimize the movement so i think that's kind of like a little bit of a hack without having to get like one-to-one personal training sessions yeah save you a little bit money as well yeah because obviously i didn't really know the sport as well like i was very new to it like i wasn't going to invest so much into it but yeah no i just joined classes and i probably did like a couple of week yeah when did you uh get into your triathlon journey and how did it all start um so that started at the start of well then going into 2024 the next year i then i just signed up for an ironman full ironman yeah i just signed up for an ironman you were just like fuck it let's go couldn't swim didn't know how to swim well this is why i brought it up because i remember uh watching your socials and thinking what the hell well not what the hell it was actually kind of like credit to you because you went and got swimming lessons didn't you yeah yeah yeah and i think that's just like a i don't know as like an adult like you get taught to swim well most people get taught to swim when they're younger yeah but there's probably a lot of people out there that you know even never took to it or never struggled and then like they just avoid swimming for the rest of their life yeah yeah yeah because they feel like embarrassed to go and have swimming lessons as an adult yeah and i was just uh credit to you for actually going yeah getting lessons yeah i don't know why it's like people find it embarrassing like going for a swimming lesson don't they're like it's not yeah adult swimming lessons i just got one-to-one swimming lessons when yeah i signed up for the iron man um i could swim like i could just yeah i could have float yeah yeah yeah you can get by you know yeah literally but yeah i couldn't couldn't front crawl breathing and stuff yeah it's a complete different kettle of fish it's like how long did it take you to learn how to swim to a decent level would you say i would say i wasn't confident until probably like two or three months before the iron man okay so so started so you signed about nine ten months nine ten months right okay yeah and how how many times were you in the pool a week um about three or four three or four times yeah um I did get a coach straight away I thought it's this needs guidance like I knew what I was signing I did know what I was signing myself up for but also I didn't at the same time um and yeah it just again I don't know why I signed up for it like people always ask me like what why did you sign up for an Ironman but like it it was just a thing it was something that scared me and that like it's very rare something scares me or like you know like I feel like I needed to be pushed out of my comfort zone and that was the next thing so what so what like when you say that you felt scared did that like motivate you to stick to your training plan a little bit more yeah absolutely yeah again it was like what I was saying earlier about like if I set myself a goal like oh I will get like I'll do it I don't know how how long it'll take me but I will do it yeah so I knew that I was going to finish it and I knew that I'd become an Ironman but did you have like when you set that goal did you have any doubters or was everyone like super positive um yeah I think everyone was quite positive yeah um again I think it's just my mindset and who I am as a person like they'd see me you know go from zero to a marathon within the space of four months four you've got the kind of like you say you've got the evidence doing something else yeah yeah just apply that to to like say a different sport yeah my parents were definitely scared they were like do you know like because obviously it's open water swimming and like you're in the middle of the ocean for as straight away like in that first swim which one did you sign up to by the way uh the italy one italy yeah in chervia um and yeah open water swim in the sea what was the hardest part about that entire prep um i i'd say like physically the swimming like it was again like i could ride a bike so that was fine like you know it was i could get on a bike and i could do that obviously the distance is very hard but i knew i could ride a bike and i knew i had a good running base so the swimming definitely scared me physically um but i would also say like just giving up so much of your time to train like they were the biggest training weeks i've ever done like 20 25 plus hours a week training that's a lot yeah it was a lot how how did the people around you like receive that um yeah they realized that just for this short period of time this is your life like yeah did you have to like explain that or did people just think oh like I don't know I feel like people can either go one or two ways like the people around you yeah I think because again I shared so much on socials and I talked so much openly about it was also the people around me and in my life obviously saw the content and things like that they they kind of just knew that it was it was just what I've got to do and yeah How did you, did you manage to find a little bit of balance though?

34:34Like, did you still go and see your friends or like for that period, you just blocked out everything, just focused on the Ironman? I'd say so. Like looking back, I would actually wish I didn't take it as seriously. Okay. At the time. That's interesting that you say that. Yeah. I wish I didn't because I never turned down anything. Like I still did things and like, you know, still celebrated birthdays, went out and did things. but I it I put yeah I I look back and I think sometimes I was taking it too seriously for what I not not what I did it in but like for an average Ironman finisher do you know like I look back and I think what are the kind of things that you maybe regret like is there anything that comes to mind that you think oh i wish i'd you know not have been as serious with my training because i could have done this um no not really no no but i would just say like i i think i was i was very i just remember being very tired and like very i was running myself into the floor a bit too much um and i probably didn't show that too much on social media because like i wanted to this person that was just like you know smashing training yeah hardcore david goggins yeah yeah yeah so like and i was like obviously showing up as that but i i looking back on that period of time and that time in my life i just remember being tired and i remember being just like i would get up at like half four to get in a bike a session in the morning before like having a busy day and doing things and i'm like you'd have probably benefited from just sleeping that day you know so i just i just remember looking back and yeah i'm also someone that when i have a coach i always want to tick off the sessions like i will do my best physically to not miss a session um and i was i was like that at the time and it would mean like some some nights getting like five hours sleep because i was up on the bike before a busy day yeah if you could go back there are a couple or if there was someone you know doing in your position is there any pieces of advice you now with the experience that you have yeah um what someone doing an ironman yeah um i would say um again same with marathon like you you have to you have to enjoy it you have to enjoy the process um how important is it to hit every single session is the times where like you say you sacrifice sleep would you going back if like you feel like shit would you still do the sessions do you feel like you've got to do every single session yeah no i think i've learned i've definitely learned that yeah some nights some days i'll benefit from just sleeping in and just missing a session then pushing through it because you're actually not getting anything out of the session doing it tired and doing it unwell or whatever for the reason i didn't feel up for doing it like i'm actually going to finish that session and be worse off yeah really yeah you're not gaining fitness yeah i feel like from x from my experience anyway there's sessions that either build you up and you can recover from yeah they have a positive impact on your fitness yeah and then the sessions that break you down yeah definitely if you don't give yourself enough rest and recovery after them sessions yeah before them sessions they're just going to actually make you like unfitter yeah yeah yeah and so i feel like now i i've had a lot of experience obviously training for different things i actually know that when i finish a session now i'm kind of like i mean it's very rare but like i sometimes finish a session like oh i probably would have benefited from yeah did a bit too much or do yeah yeah um whereas like some sessions you finish and you're like get in that was a solid session and that feels good are there any times where you like call a session like short or anything like that have you ever done that uh yeah yeah yeah or like yeah cut cut down reps things yeah how do you go about doing that um it because it's hard you go sometimes yeah you're a stubborn person you want to do exactly what's on your plan yeah but you know like like this isn't good for your body yeah like how do you how do you fight that battle um it really yeah it does hurt the ego but also i'm i will like i'll tell myself like what would you say to your client like why would you you're not going to say you're not going to tell your client to push through it so why are you telling yourself to push through it you know um but yeah again i've i think i've got a good understanding of i'm probably pushing too far here and yeah that balance yeah yeah obviously you mentioned that you've you know coached for for quite a while and you still coach right now um how much does that like impact and how much have you learned from that that's impacted like your training and your like philosophy on things do you feel like coaching educates you as well yeah definitely yeah I think um gym floor coaching like especially like it you learn a lot from watching other people and coaching other people and like I think even like talking clients through like you get you get people that have never stepped foot in a gym before and then you get people that you know are avid gym goers um but yeah like coaching people through workouts and through movements and things you learn a lot and just like how to teach things as well and like ways to teach things um so I'd say I've learned yeah I've learned a lot being on the gym floor um but I think now I actually learn most from Danny and how he coaches me um because there are some things when I'm like oh I wouldn't have done that or I want to put that there so then I'll ask him and he is a really good coach like he is he's so good I'll sing his praises all the time about how good a coach he is because he is so like he wants to learn and he wants to know more so like he will do his research and like will he'll be constantly learning himself and then he'll apply it to my work and then that's how I learn so I kind of learn from my coach um and I'd say I've learned a lot especially recently from how he's working yeah it's it's nice to when you find a coach that like just has a passion for coaching yeah yeah that's like the number one thing like yeah if you are a coach out there like you've got to live and breathe it yeah and like if you spare time yeah obviously you can enjoy yourself but if you're not interested in learning yeah uh then i think you're missing a trick yeah you want i want to be my coach's best interest like i want him to want the best for me and vice versa as a coach myself like if i i want to sing my praises about my clients you know i want them to do well and you want to see them you know progress and this might be a tricky question to ask but like or to answer but um how do you balance obviously your priorities as being an athlete and like you say you've got a lot more serious yeah with then coaching other people because i feel like it's it's quite difficult like who do you put first you put you you your clients first or you put you first yeah it is it is really hard and like i think recently definitely like just trying to find that balance and trying to yeah because obviously you're you're you're given a service you need to be given a service because you know they're paying you to yeah to be the coach and to be there um and but then you also I've learned over the years I also have to be selfish as well but there needs to be a it's a very fine line of like being selfish and not um and yeah I think I I grew my business like big like my online coaching business when I first started I grew it big like I had assistants working for me and I had over 100 clients and that's how I started as an online coach and then I realized I had no time for myself and like I was at my laptop 5am till the end of the day replying to messages sorting programs and I had people working for me to do that as well um and now I coach a very small amount and I will cap it at that small amount and because I know I don't have time yeah you need to give maximum attention to them yeah and to yourself as well yeah and i think just being selfish like i would work saturday sundays you know i would be constantly on on my laptop but like you you need to set your your time boundaries like i know they're paying you but at the same time you personally need a life as well so you do have to switch off especially like say the last six months you got a little bit more serious how's that been like what have you had to i don't want to call them sacrifices but have things changed in your life yeah yeah definitely um I found that I especially like recently I found like when I'm traveling and things and like being away and wanting to continue training whilst I'm away and just finding that balance of being like like kind of oh this is hard you I don't want to like the boundaries of like holidays and then training like no i'm getting my words mixed up here but yeah no i found like traveling and training hard at the same time because i'm like how serious am i to continue training whilst away if that makes sense and like making it a holiday or making it not holiday yeah but i think it's important to have them rest periods as well and like incorporate that into your life and if you can think of it like that i'm a proper hypocrite i'm saying this shit right now but like emily sat over there and she knows for a fact every holiday that we go on like all that's going through my head is when when i can get back to training or how can i train on this holiday or how can i fit it in somewhere yeah and it's very hard to uh maybe the words be present on holiday and like enjoy the holiday for what it is yeah um yeah because we've been away recently like just even just like weekends away and things for like weddings things like that and as much as you want to switch off and like be off you're like but I need to prioritize I've got a holiday coming up like a personal holiday if I could say I'm going away for a week with Danny I'm gonna take that you know that week of like as a deload week so I do kind of need to keep training whilst I'm away and like finding that balance um and other people around you to understand that as well is is quite hard i think um to like take you seriously um and a lot of people will look at you and think like why are you doing that like just chill out you're away you know don't you don't need to be how do you explain that because i feel like the i've had i've had the similar issues and i think it's all about how you communicate to them people and how you like explain your situation yeah listen this is my goal yeah like i've got this goal and fundamentally like i need to continue training yeah and once you explain it you know some people are either going to get it or they're still going to call you or yeah call you boring or whatever yeah no definitely and i think people don't understand it until you've reached your goal and i think a lot of people like you i say to people i'd say like obviously my kind of training and things have kind of only got serious in the past like you know nearly six months and i'm still having to explain to people but like until they see that end goal that i don't think they quite understand especially if they're not in the fitness industry as well i don't think they'll understand um and they'll just be like well you don't need to train this morning just have a day off yeah just have a yeah have a day off and like i don't think they realize how important it is to have that structure have that routine um but I'd say also that I am someone that hasn't really been I'm not like I'm learning to believe in myself a bit more as well um because I haven't really believed in myself until like this year in terms of like how myself as an athlete so like I've never really wanted to kind of explain why I'm doing it so I've always been a bit embarrassed to like show that and to to kind of explain to people like no I like I need to train I need to go do this I need to so what changed um just I think one when I started working with Danny like he I mean he's always believed in me like he's always told me how good I am and things like that even probably when I wasn't that good um but I think recently that results and things that I've been getting and just sessions that i've been doing and talk us through them results because you have had some incredible results recently yeah yeah no definitely um yeah i've had some good high rocks results like i've definitely got more podiums over the past six months um and i'm getting some good running results in both uh doubles and singles pro yeah yeah yeah um unfortunately can't make it to world champs this year which is sad yeah um but yeah no i've got some i've got some good results um definitely in pro like we definitely wanted to try and make the elite 15 next season um i think so yeah yeah yeah i hate saying it out loud and why i don't know why i hate saying it out loud but again it's one of those things where i didn't really believe myself until we got a good result i just didn't i didn't see myself as doing that well um and also just saying it out loud is makes it real doesn't it yeah it does make it real so what time have you currently got uh 55 25 55 25 um and to get into the elite 15 what what would you need um yeah huh you need wins don't you so yeah yeah yeah now oh now it's two points yeah yeah now it's points you need uh so you need to win number one yeah three races really yeah okay okay pretty much cool how confident are you with that yeah confident yeah yeah yeah quite confident so you're gonna go for the elite 15 in doubles right yeah yeah i think personally i think next year is the best chance that anyone has with the doubles because uh the new rules with like the uh both partners have to be from the same country yeah so it's kind of splitting up a lot of a lot of partners yeah and therefore it allows new partners to come in yeah um who is your partner at the moment uh poppy jones okay yeah yeah she's a really solid athlete who's the stronger athlete at the moment um poppy's definitely a stronger athlete yeah i'd say poppy is um i mean not at the minute bless her she is not well at the minute but she is definitely a strong athlete yeah incredible incredible so um just like to train together at the moment no we don't we don't actually train together you don't never train together no just like meet up on the start line and yeah yeah and like it was it was off the whim as well like at the time before this result i'd i would have never said i want to be in the elite 15 yeah before that that result um where was that by the way london london yeah yeah um so before that um yeah i'd never said that it was it was a goal um just felt really far far away um but again i'd never found a doubles partner like i'd never ran a serious doubles race um and again it's it's hard like solo's heart is it's hard um yeah and i just thought that absolutely not and then again i didn't have my doubles partner so again i was like no absolutely not i'm never going to make it um so then i don't know poppy just messaged me she was like do you want to run a doubles together i was like yeah but you're really fast and she was like no you'll be fine okay but um so that that's give you a kind of like confidence that's one thing that's definitely changed like you say um having danny believe in you yeah was there anything else that has give you the confidence to like say say out loud that you want to be in the elite 15 next year um no i'd say that result just changed everything yeah and i think it does take just one thing to be like yeah you can go for it like just go for it since then has your training improved sounds weird but like has that confidence of that race like yeah does it give you confidence within your training now 100 yeah yeah um crazy how like things like that like happened yeah like you say one result yeah and then everything past that yeah like things start to get a bit more serious um what's what's changed in terms of like seriousness um i think like i mean me and danny have had a few conversations and like just sitting it down and just being like you a thing like that you need to want it like you have to want it because you can't dedicate all this time all this training to well you could but also like you need you need that goal and you need you need something to reach for um so he was like you need to be if you want to do it like you need to be serious about it because I've always appreciated how much and because of like being in involved in all you know the the content side of things I've always seen how hard athletes train and I've always appreciated how hard they train and I thought you know that could never be me like hats off to you guys but then when that flip like that switch kind of flicked like i was like oh wait i think i could actually do this myself and then yeah we've had a few conversations and again his belief in me made me believe myself um and yeah now has your life become a little bit more boring um yeah again like going back to what we're saying about like having to explain to people yeah that there's a lot of that like you have to say no more um to be honest i do like a routine i do like just being in bed and not going out so to be honest the lifestyle is probably for me anyway um so i've definitely not to say no more but um i've definitely been a bit stricter with being more serious with my routine and seeing training as more of a job than doing it for how do you does creating content like affect it at all because like for me personally like that's one reason i have a videographer so i can crack on with a trainer and not really think about like capturing content at the time of i'm training i can just train and then it's tom's job to then yeah capture the content like for you like originally being like a content creator yeah going into that athlete mode yeah are you struggling with that at all or yeah yeah yeah a massive struggle at the minute I think um I think it was like my last race I was saying that like there will be a day where I don't have to film my whole morning before racing like I you know like as a content creator I'm doing a what ain't a day before a race you know race with me in Barcelona and all this stress is on your mind yeah and then like it's going to affect your race yeah but also at the same time I was explaining this like I do have a manager to help me with social media side of things and i was saying that like it without doing those things i wouldn't earn money yeah so i have to do those things and like some athletes probably see me kind of making those videos and making things being like why can't she just like be serious and just get up and raise but without those things i don't have a job and like that's how i get brand deals and that's how i you know work with people on social media and things i have to do those things to then get paid it is it is the harsh reality especially yeah like saying in a sport like uh running or high rocks where there's not that much money in it yeah you've got to everyone that's a full-time high rocks athlete yeah isn't really a full-time athlete no because they're doing all the content on the side yeah yeah yeah it's just the harsh reality of it yeah um and like i say you can't get away from it yeah no you actually can't you yeah you've got to do it and i think leaning into it and enjoying it yeah like the biggest thing because you could see it as a chore or you could just see it as like i get to do this yeah and it's kind of like a cool thing and at the end of the day like you're making content like you're inspiring a lot more people yeah just show your race result if they just didn't see anything of you yeah and just saw your race result yeah yeah you might inspire a couple of people but them seeing your journey to that start line is going to inspire a lot more people yeah yeah is that not why we do it in the first place yeah yeah definitely it's just that community online as well which i love i just love how positive has it been have you ever like received any like criticism for anything that you've ever done or anything have you like how do you deal with that kind of side of it um yeah i've like especially in like i'd say when i started kind of taking it a bit more serious a lot of people would say like you know especially like double training days or like you know you're training all the time basically and a lot of people would comment on that and they would be like you know you've already trained this morning why are you there doing another session kind of thing um but a lot of people that are saying that are people that work nine to fives and like you know i'm not i'm not sharing my journey to be realistic and for people to copy i'm kind of i'm just sharing my my athlete journey yeah and a lot of people see athletes because I share so much which I don't think like a lot of pro athletes do share or a lot of athletes share like on stories and things like that I think a lot of people see me as like just a regular gym goer still so because I do share so much and they're like oh you're over training you know you're training twice why are you promoting training twice a day and I'm like I'm not but if I wasn't to share it a lot of people would then come at me for not sharing it um i was i was actually talking to one of my close friends who's also a content creator and i was like you actually can't win like some days you can't win some people will have a problem for you doing something but then other people have a problem for you not sharing what you're doing so it is a really hard thing to balance um yeah especially as you grow i think you're gonna get criticism no matter what is there is there any way that you kind of like deal with that um have you built thick skin like yeah i've definitely got thick skin yeah yeah you're not really close what people say no no again it's from the dance industry yeah i'm just like yeah yeah and i sometimes people don't expect me to reply as well but i'll reply like i'll go back at them um so yeah i've got thick skin yeah no no that's good that's good that's interesting so um like you mentioned there uh high rocks is kind of like the next goal right yeah is that going to be like that it now like we're focusing going all in on high rocks or is there any other kind of like opportunities anything else that you want to dabble in within the next year say i i'm speaking to my run coach actually we are hoping to get a marathon in okay um i would like a sub three this year right not this like from now to this time next year okay i would like to get in to aim for a sub three marathon somewhere again saying that allowed is scary but with some results recently i'm i'm hoping it's it's actually doable yeah incredible where would you plan to do that oh the flattest place hopefully yeah maybe valencia yeah yeah i'm hoping to get yeah hoping valencia if not i think seville is a little flat as well in february time um and yeah we'll see if not then maybe berlin next year yeah the following year yeah which is uh end of september yeah yeah no so yeah i do still want to do running races and yeah yeah yeah from my experience like uh obviously done a couple of marathons like it's it's great um does it combine with high rocks it's hard i think i think you need you need to do your marathon block or your high rocks block and then have them far apart yeah like the other training can you get to see the results of the other training yeah that makes sense yeah so like don't expect to do a marathon and then like and this is just from my own experience like you know two three months later yeah think that you can do amazing in high rocks yeah yeah it does take it out of you yeah um yeah no i can imagine i feel like it will pay off like later down the line maybe six months down the line after you've got back into the high rock training or whatever yeah definitely no it'd be interesting so have you got any races lined up with the high rocks um only one i'm doing nice nice yeah when's that um end of october okay i think that'll be my first one back of the next season uh in fact that'll be my first one back from now because i'm not i'm not going to world champs this year so i'm that'll be my first one back um with the wedding being end of september kind of want to give myself a few weeks to get back into it um um and then yeah i'm hoping to get a few more before the end of the year but it's the same thing and like i do want obviously i do really want that marathon but the valencia marathon falls on the same weekend as london high rocks and like that's a big event for the uk athletes like it's yeah yeah and it's actually going to be the second major major yeah so i'm like what you know what what do i do um exactly yeah so So, yeah, we'll see.

1:00:45But, yeah, hoping to get in a... If I went into a marathon block, I probably wouldn't get in many before the end of the year. So, again, we'll see. I think I plan a few calls with my coach to plan over the next season. Yeah. And I say recently, you've been, for quite a while now, you've been, like, a Red Bull creator. Mm-hmm. How have you found that experience? Yeah, amazing. Yeah. I've worked with Red Bull now for just... just it's coming up actually just over two years now um and yeah the things we do is just incredible what's the what's like maddest thing that you've done or the most fun thing um i would say probably going to texas yeah we went to dallas okay was this for the farmer yeah the rancher strong thing yeah yeah how was that yeah good pretty much online yeah for for the people watching it's like a it's like a basically like fitness on a ranch yeah and it's like basically what we'd have over in the uk it'd be like a farmer farming competition yeah where you do ranching activities yeah it was like high rocks on farm i guess like it was a lot of like pulling the sled sat on a horse and like not a real horse at the time but like on a saddle thing and yeah it was it was hard it was hard like a cowboy or cowgirl i did i proper got into it yeah i went out and bought my some proper cowboy boots yeah i was like you've got to whilst you're here you have to um yeah so that was cool um yeah we've done some amazing tricks but also what i just love about red bull is like they will support you with what you want to do and like they will just help you in every way like there's just even like in fitness but also not in fitness as well um yeah have you um thought of like any exciting projects have you got anything in like the the paperwork that uh you want to share like is there anything or have you thought of anything that you'd want to do like is on a bucket list whether it's yeah do a crazy challenge yourself or like in a team or um we've had a couple of meetings um secret though i think so i think yeah it's probably secret yeah yeah it's i can i can tell you what it the it's a it's a chat not a challenge for me but it's it's an event and the public will be able to take part okay yeah sick yeah and you're hosting it yeah that's pretty sick yeah when will we see this um we're hoping next summer okay yeah we're hoping to trial it over the next six months or so we're going to do like a small trial of it um which means i will have to do it myself is it like a fitness thing yeah fitness thing um and hopefully it does still push people out the comfort zones like my main thing about holding event was like i do still want it to be challenging yeah and i want it to like not to scare people but i want it to like i want them to have to train for it and you know go into the unknown um so yeah i'm gonna host an event hopefully and then put it on a bigger scale for people to apply to take part in yeah yeah that is cool that's really cool yeah where where do you see yourself like in the next couple of years let's say five years time like what i know this is like a proper like i'm not interviewed um in five years time um so hopefully i mean hopefully in five years time like we'll be living back home um i do want to create a space um hopefully my own gym where I can have I can build a community and yeah I've always thrived off being around people and having a community um which hopefully I show on like social media as well but again it's another reason why I loved like coaching on the gym floor like I I can talk for hours like I I love being around people the training with people obviously the training as an athlete and it being your job is lonely and like then being around people like i just thrive off then having social interaction so yeah i'm hoping that in five years i can have a space of my own and have a community yeah that's sick and where would that be yeah i'd be back home in leeds yeah yeah yeah yeah come on yeah let's go yeah no that that's really cool and would you do that with i assume you and danny yeah going into that together yeah yeah hopefully we've got a few pts in the family so yeah hopefully we can like build a good space and yeah yeah yeah that's cool i want to finish with a couple of quick fire questions first one being if you could only run or lift yeah for the rest of your life which one would it be when i say lift i mean gym yeah i think i i think now i would run run i think i think i would yeah which is crazy but yeah i think i would run now yeah what do you get out running that's like different from going to the gym the endorphins are just next level yeah especially when you've had a good session like a really solid session yeah you tend to run with people no i run on my own yeah yeah um yeah i mean for getting old and my bones i should probably say lift but no i'm gonna say run like that um what's your death row meal oh start a main dessert okay um starter would definitely be like a proper doughy focaccia like a just a big doughy loaf of bread with garlic butter like a tear and share okay dip kind of thing yeah would definitely be something like that and then my main would be like american style like buttermilk chicken burger but like with like really big really juicy brioche bun barbecue sauce with like salty chips like a bit of a tgi yeah okay bit like a tgi's um and tender stem brock on the side because that's my favorite and then dessert would be like a big warm cookie dough ice and then ice cream interesting interesting um your favorite running session or like most bang for your book running session um so there's one session that i do before every race with my coach we do it like a week out and it's it's horrible and but if i've had a good session it just gets me ready for a race and it's i'm sure he won't mind me sharing the session but it's six rounds of 400 meter hard into 1k hard so obviously your pace okay pull back on your pace but you're still hard because it's for a k yeah so you're doing 400 meters one lap of the track as hard as possible or yeah almost yeah yeah about 330 and then and then you're slowing down a little bit but you're still doing a 1k and then about a 350 for your 1k yeah about mine essentially each rep is 1400 meters yeah and then how much rest 90 seconds and then that's six times through yeah okay it's yeah yeah it's just one that we've done for the past like three four races and have you got like certain times that you know you fit like if you're if you're going into the race like yeah that you've gonna hit yeah and do you measure the 400 and then the k yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah again i normally just do it around the park so like the loop of the park is 1.7k so that's kind of like one rep and the rest which is really nice um but yeah i will for the 1k if i'm comfortably hitting like faster than race pace of what i'm aiming for my race i feel good after it yeah yeah what do you think your secret is to making you the athlete that you are um i think i definitely think my mindset and how again from dance i've just yeah it again how brutal dance was and how brutal the the teachers were in the studio um i've carried that into into my training and into the mentality i've got today yeah yeah i like that like that uh worst habit worst habit i like i like asking this because like yeah normally people don't only talk about like the good habits yeah yeah yeah um worst what are you bad at like um uh

1:09:48i will i what would danny say if i said last page's worst habit um i actually think probably just i know he will be i actually probably think like not believing in myself okay because he does get like not frustrated but he does always question like why like why why don't you like just believe in yourself and i like sometimes like some sessions i like pull back and he's like why are you doing that you're so capable of it like just do it um so i probably say that what advice would you give someone who's like in a similar position to you like say suffers with like just that self-confidence and self-belief like if if you was talking to your client and they had that problem what would you tell them yeah it's so hard like you can't just say to someone like i'll just believe in yourself you know i like i've learned that myself like i can't um i think just surrounding your people yourself with the right people is like massive um i think yeah just having that that people around you that positive people yeah believe in you yeah that just believe in you and i just don't think i don't have the time or energy to like waste on people that just don't believe in me um and that i don't know probably think i'm delusional or whatever but yeah you just you have to surround yourself by it with people that that bring you up and that's good believe in you i probably say as well like uh like just look at your training like the results are there like yeah when you're about to race like you've done the work in the training yeah yeah yeah just look back you know that you can do it yeah it's like when you stood in you stood in the tunnel you're so nervous yeah and you're like wait i've just trained like so hard for the past i don't know months and you're like you you know you've probably done a sim or summer or you know your last race was fine like why are you so scared and then if you don't achieve your goal like i don't know about you if you have you ever had like a big failure like where you failed or something and you're like you know you're fucked up somewhere might be a high road you get a penalty you don't get the result that you want yeah yeah yeah yeah where was that um i would say to be honest i would i would probably say not like it was a big failure for me but my last race i really went in with the i was expecting to like have my best time or like to do my best time um and i didn't and it was the first time that's ever happened because obviously i'm so new to the sport that every race i've currently pb'd so it was my first time I hadn't PB'd and I think you need those experiences you're not going to PB every race you're not so having that time of not PBing I was like I'm rubbish what do you mean I didn't PB I've trained so hard between now and then and you need those races because then you can kind of one expect not to pb every race and two like you can start to see that some things are uncontrollable and like you you can't control everything yeah in a race um definitely i think you definitely learn more as well like if you look back at every race that you pb'd yeah and then that one race that you didn't pb yeah like which one is like taking more away from yeah i bet you analyzed everything after that race yeah yeah where am i going wrong yeah what's it in my training what's it in my preparation yeah everything whether it's course on the day whatever yeah um but like you it definitely motivates you in my opinion yeah no definitely and like it it was so weird because i was so not upset i was obviously a bit gutted about it because obviously as an athlete you you just naturally are like you naturally want to be the best and you actually you naturally want to be better every time um but like we were looking at splits and like you you've shaved time off the areas that you've been working so hard on but you're still gutted because you didn't get the result that you wanted even though you know you've like lunges and marbles are my worst and like i'd shave 40 seconds off each and then i was mad and i was like why am i mad like the work is obviously working so don't be mad yeah no that's good that's good um if you could have dinner with one person dead or alive who would it be anyone on the planet Oh.

1:14:09I'm kind of throwing you on the spot. Yeah. Might have been Michael Jackson. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:14:19God, that's really hard. You like that one, Tom? You like that one? That's really hard.

1:14:28Or who's your biggest role model? Biggest role model? do you know i would say lucy charles yeah yeah just incredible have you have you had the luxury to meet her no i actually haven't she's she's amazing yeah no sometimes they say don't meet your heroes yeah if she's like your role model like please meet her yeah yeah amazing and reese as well like yeah her husband like yeah so much time for for everyone uh yeah they're both lovely people yeah yeah i think she's just incredible yeah yeah oh that's cool that's uh that's amazing that's amazing i'll probably have a dinner with her then i've been a little bit yeah yeah oh um let's say she's she's probably one of the only people that when i've sat down and had a chat to like witness their training i'm like fuck like i am not a professional athlete compared to this yeah yeah yeah the extents that they go to with all their training like it is mind-blowing right yeah i feel like i'm i'm a beginner compared yeah yeah yeah i can imagine yeah imagine the amount of hours she probably spends on that bike yeah and then last question if there's one piece of advice that you could give your 16 year old self what would it be or your younger self don't have be 16 i don't know why i said 16 um i would say

1:15:54probably again just following what we've gone from like just believing yourself yeah and also just do what makes you happy like stop trying to please other people because a lot of times like i obviously trained so hard in musical theater that i just expected everyone to think like Like everyone expects me to go down that route. And like by the end of third year, I hated dancing. Not hate it as in like I hate dance, but I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want to make it my job. I don't want to make it my life because I'd done it for so long and we'd spent like four years training at college.

1:16:28So I really, yeah, just do what you want to do. I was so scared to be like, no, I'm going to go down a different route. So I just say, just do what you want to do and just make you happy. Yeah, no, I love that. I think it's also important to realize that like you go through phases in your life yeah like whatever you you're doing right now yeah you you might not be doing forever yeah and that's okay yeah you can like chop and change and do different things I'm such a firm believer of like you're exactly where you want to be yeah like I say it all the time that's one of my quotes are you where you want to be yeah yeah yeah yeah that's good to hear yeah I think like it's everything happens for a reason you're just you're just there yeah thank you paige i appreciate that thank you for having me on it's a great conversation um let's go get some lunch yeah let's probably hear the stomach rumbling in the in the mic thank you paige thank you i'm sure we'll catch up soon yeah for sure thank you