Truett Hanes - #002

0:00Jake Dearden: Boom and we're live. We're live. Truett Hanes. How we feeling brother? I'm feeling on top of the world right now. Yeah I'm feeling good man. What's this show called technically? Do you have a name for it?

0:12Truett Hanes: I think we're gonna actually call it just the Jake Dearden podcast and the reason behind that is I think. You love your name. well i just wanted to keep it authentic and for us to be able to chat about whatever we want to like yeah i don't want to pigeonhole us into fitness i don't want to pigeonhole us into stuff and at the end of the day like i've done a bit of research into podcast names and i feel like the podcast market is pretty saturated every cool name has been taken dude honestly i will say just real quick, emotional intelligence.

0:48Jake Dearden: You know that guy? Yes, I do know that guy. That's a pretty good name right there. Um, and actually he just had, we were just talking about him, Alfie Manthorpe. Yeah. Um, honestly so fast, 27 minutes, 10 K we're just talking about his performance. He's, he's legit. But one thing that he said about you, because you just went and ran with him in Iceland for 247 he was like jake's a great athlete super fast like the most dialed dude i've ever seen but what stood out to me was he was talking about how kind you were and like how genuine you were and i was like that's cool that people can say that about you and actually mean it i think that's probably the most important thing that anyone could say like about your character so oh thank

1:30Truett Hanes: you mate yeah dude thank you alfie uh yeah shout out alfie he will be listening to this uh alfie's great guy um i think he's actually that that performance he just did i think it's the third ever fastest like 10k in in like the british record that's the fastest uh which which is crazy considering he does quite a lot of his training on his own he does the majority of training on his own it's cool and we we were just talking about that actually you train literally by yourself all the time yeah how'd you find that you know why why'd you do that

2:06Jake Dearden: instead of yeah yeah I I love the solitude and I find that if I don't rely on anyone else then I'm never going to be disappointed and it just it starts and ends with me you know so it's like if I fail it's because of me not because my training partner not because my coach it's because I didn't do enough if I succeed then it's not so much to where I'm like self-aggrandized and it's like, man, I'm so great. That's why this happened. Usually it's like, well, my wife and I, or my dad and I, or like something other than myself. I don't really like to give myself too much credit, but what I do enjoy is that I don't have, and I don't get to blame anyone else for how like performances went.

2:49Jake Dearden: Begins and ends with me. I like the accountability of it. And also I just like that. I don't have to go and meet up with someone. I don't have to drive anywhere. I literally just put on my shoes, head out the front door, same path every single day, and I just get after it. And that way, I just, I save time. I'm able to just go and get it done real quick. And then I can come home and hang out with my wife, watch Shrek. And that's what we like to do. Oh, Shrek. What's your favorite Shrek?

3:17Truett Hanes: Which number?

3:18Jake Dearden: You know, it's kind of funny because we've seen all of them so many times, but we were just watching Shrek 2 last night. And we finished it. My wife fell asleep. She knows how it ends, obviously. But I would say Shrek 2, just because movies typically don't have that great of sequels. But Shrek 2 is, it's the one that sticks out to me as the greatest sequel of all time because it's just a completely different story. It just adds layers, and they turn into humans, and then the whole drama of it, Prince Charming. I don't know. I would say Shrek 2 probably surpasses Shrek 1 even, which is, no, that doesn't happen a lot.

3:59Truett Hanes: Are you a big movie guy?

4:00Jake Dearden: Huge movie guy. Yeah, no, when I was, I was actually thinking, because you just roughly told me, like, what we would talk about during this podcast. And I was like, you're like, outside of running, what do you like to do? And I'm like, I actually, I have to really think about that.

4:15Truett Hanes: But sports? Like Forest Cup.

4:18Jake Dearden: Just runs. Yeah, I like to run. um you know obviously that's a huge part of my identity right now everything is kind of tied around that as far as like how my day goes it's usually all around running but when i'm do you

4:32Truett Hanes: let that impact your day or impact your feelings if your run didn't go well is it the worst day ever if your run went well is it the best day ever it's or do you kind of separate the emotions

4:44Jake Dearden: Yeah, it's weird because I don't really have bad running days ever. Oh, here we go.

4:51Truett Hanes: Here we go.

4:51Jake Dearden: I kind of just make sure that that's not a thing that I'm dealing with. I go and I have these runs that I schedule for myself, and then I make sure that I just go and nail that. But, yeah, so when I'm not running, watching movies with my wife, hanging out with my wife, we like to go and eat. We like to go out and try new places. we'll go and travel to new places see the world together that's one thing that we've always just wanted to do by ourselves and now we have each other so then now we get to go and travel

5:22Truett Hanes: the world together have you traveled anywhere nice the last kind of late year yeah iceland

5:28Jake Dearden: mexico she had never been outside of the country outside of the u.s so it's been nice i feel like as a man it's kind of nice to be able to show a woman the world you know i feel like every guy kind of takes pride in like, I can show you the world. So let's go and, um, and experience all these new places together. And she's just from a small Midwest town, uh, right outside of Chicago. And she had never, like I said, been outside of the country. And now we went to two different countries last year. And then we're going to two different countries this year for the London marathon. And then Newfoundland in Canada to go and do the Teleton.

6:07Jake Dearden: It's a 10 mile race. It's like the 98th year in a row that they've done it. And it's like one of the most historic 10 mile races. And I want to be able to run well there. But one of the companies I work with, Transparent Labs, their headquarters is out of Newfoundland. And then so I need to go and put the team on my back and run well there. So shout out to all the Canadians listening to this. I hope you guys are there.

6:31Truett Hanes: The pressure's on. Have you got anywhere else on your bucket list of where you want to

6:36Jake Dearden: travel any places you want to see honestly we want to go we love antarctica because we love the history of antarctica and not a lot of people like normally if someone's been to antarctica it's like geez what why the heck would you go there that's not really a travel destination but it's because of like shackleton all the survival stories that you hear about dudes exploring the world and uh on these expeditions and then normally things go disasters like it's a disaster they go terribly wrong, but it's just cool to be able to go there and be like, yeah, I've been to that continent. Not a lot of people get to say that.

7:10Jake Dearden: So if my wife and I could go there, I think that'd be cool. And then, like I said, just kind of see the entire world. We just want to go and experience it all. And the cool thing about being able to run is there's races all over the world. So I get to go and, you know, two birds, one stone, see the world, do these races and just allow our dreams to become true. So, you know, my wife and I are, we're a great team. And, um, like you said, I wish she could have been here so that she could have chimed in and been, uh, on the podcast as well.

7:42Truett Hanes: We'll have an episode too. That's right. Yeah. That's, uh, that's cool. That's cool. I want to take it back. I want to take it back to, obviously you've achieved many things over the years and you're still young. You're still, you know, you've got so many more things that you want to achieve, But when for you did it all start? When did you think you had potential? Yeah, dude, my dad really instilled into my brother and I that anything in this life is possible if you're willing to work for it.

8:13Jake Dearden: Like, you know, he's a big advocate that he doesn't have any special talent. The only reason why he's been able to stand out is he's never quit in all of his life. Just always getting better. you know people go through different phases of life and like they can be great for six months and then they fall off and then they come back and then they fall off and then they never really stick with things they're not really consistent my dad is just the king of consistency every single day he's going to make sure that he gets better in some way so he told my brother and I if we are just willing to work for something we can make it happen we can become as great as we want to be if you're willing to put in the necessary amount of work.

8:57Jake Dearden: And that's how we've operated our entire lives. No matter what it was, we just always had to outwork people, and that's how we've stood out. I even think back to the fifth grade for us, so like you're 10 years old. My brother and I both set the school record for the mile, and the only reason why that was able to happen is on the weekends, we'd go and run with my dad you know so we had to put in a little bit of extra work than everyone else and with that we're able to set the school record so then it's like okay maybe my dad is telling the truth yeah work yeah work every morning was he forcing us like to go out and run at first like yeah yeah not not in the extreme way but i was honestly it's yes like he would force us because i don't think any kid on the weekend you know you want to go and have fun when you're a kid.

9:52Jake Dearden: You want to go and play with your friends? We would be able to do that as long as we went and did this with him. So it's like, this comes first, you go on a run with him, you get the miles done, then you can go and play and do whatever. So we're like, fine, we'll go and do this. And then I think we built our identity around it though. You know, like kids are looking for something. They're looking for positive reinforcement. He gave that to us in our physical accomplishments. It's like, it feels good to set the school record. You know, you're kind of the man. When you're a young kid and you're the fastest kid in school, everyone's like, dude, you are the man.

10:29Jake Dearden: You're gonna go places. And then so that felt good for us, even though it hurts to go and train. It hurts to go and run. Like, as you know, to be able to run that 222, how many times during training were you like out of breath, fighting for your life? It hurts, but then the accomplishment makes it all worth it. So to be able to understand that as a kid, like I said, we were 10 years old when we set the school record, that feels good and that sets an impression in your mind. It's like, okay, if I want positive reinforcement, if I want people to like pat me on the back, then I just have to outwork everyone.

11:04Jake Dearden: So ever since then, like a young age, we just knew that's what it takes. That's what it takes to stand out. And that's what we've been willing to do our entire lives now. And that's just what we've built our identity around because that's just what my dad, he led by example. And that's one thing that I want to tell parents is that you have to lead by example. You can't just tell them to go and do this without you doing it yourself. One thing about my dad is he was always out there with us. He would never ask us to do something that he wouldn't do. And it's just like, I don't know if you watched The Last Dance, the Michael Jordan documentary?

11:36Truett Hanes: Yeah, for sure.

11:37Jake Dearden: Okay, you've seen it. Good, you know Jordan. Well, that's one thing. When I was watching it, we just watched it, I think my third time I've seen it, and I watched it with my wife like two weeks ago. I just remembered, and this part stood out to me, was Jordan saying that he would never ask his teammates to do something that he wouldn't do. He was working just as hard as them, if not harder, but there's a, if you want to be able to be a champion, you have to put in work that no one else is willing to do. And so he knew that he understood that because he had done it himself. So he wasn't going to take it easy on these other guys.

12:18Jake Dearden: So my dad is like, he understood how to stand out and how to make a name for yourself and how to outwork everyone, how to find success in this life. It's not going to come easy, but if you're willing to put in more work than everyone else, then that's your ticket out of this. And then so in order for us to understand that, we had to go along with them. And so we could see it firsthand. And I just think my dad with the same mentality as Jordan, it's like, we didn't love necessarily missing out on the weekends, hanging out at our friend's house, staying up to 3am or doing all nighters, because we had to go and run the next morning.

12:56Jake Dearden: But we did love the accomplishments that came with it. So it's it's like dude do you want to do you want to be great or do you want to be average and he instilled in us that like if you want to be great this is what it takes how grateful are you that you had

13:15Truett Hanes: someone like that in your life like you had your father in your life telling you these things these words of wisdom getting you hyped up and was there like any thing that you said any goal that you had where your dad said, no, that's a bit too far. That's a bit over the top. Or did he always believe in you, no matter what you've set out to do?

13:39Jake Dearden: You know, I would say I'm grateful for it now as a 29-year-old. Like, I can see what he was trying to do now, now that I'm an adult. I'm like, man, I wish he would have pushed me even harder when I was a kid. But when I think back to when I was a kid, I didn't really love it. I was like...

13:56Truett Hanes: Did you think he was just being mean?

13:58Jake Dearden: yeah I thought it was a level of he's so strict he doesn't want me to have fun this is honestly this is more annoying than it is like I was more annoyed than I was grateful and I didn't like that he was always trying to push us to be great I was like listen this is what you want for us this isn't what I want for myself did you ever rebel oh yeah yeah I did I rebelled so much to where we used to go out hunting with him. As you know, he's like the biggest bow hunter, biggest hunter in the world in general, like the most well-known hunter. And I'm his son, obviously. I stopped going out hunting with him altogether because I hated it so much.

14:42Jake Dearden: I hated the pressure that he put on me. I hated like how not fun it was. And I didn't like waking up at 4 a.m. on the weekends to go out hunting. I was like, dad, I don't even want to be doing this. I don't like being yelled dead. I don't like being pushed. This is terrible. I'm just not going to go. And then so from like 13 to I think about 20 years old, I didn't go hunting with him one time. And then I, when you get to a certain age, you're like, I think I can understand the point that he was trying to have. And because who wants to be average? Like when it really comes down to it, it's like, you can either be great or you can be average.

15:22Jake Dearden: That was his whole thing. And there was a part of me, it was like, I understood what it felt like to be great. And then now it's a conscious choice for me to say, I don't want that. And that didn't feel good. So then right around 20, I was like, I think I actually, I want to see what this is all about. I want to adopt your mindset and I'm going to go all in. But there was a period of like complete rebellion. I mean, I even think with my cousin, um, we would go and when I was like 18, we'd go and like smoke cigarettes in the mall parking lot. And then, you know, just like going and drink beers.

16:00Jake Dearden: Obviously you're not supposed to do that when you're 18 here. I don't know about you guys, uh, what your laws are, but I would just not care about trying to get better. I was like, dude, that is so lame. I just want to be cool. I just want to be chill, smoke these cigarettes, American spirits, light blue. Uh, those, they last forever, by the way, like the Marlboro Reds, they burn through so quick. American spirits will last you like a good 10 minutes. But anyway, I rebelled so much to where I didn't even want to have anything to do with my dad. I didn't want to hang out with him. Didn't want to go on a run with him.

16:39Just kind of live my own life because I think, you know, he was, he was trying to push me.

16:44Jake Dearden: He was trying to force me to be great is what it seemed like. and I just didn't want to do it. Until now, obviously, I've made that in my entire identity is like trying to get better every single day. That's his mentality. And now it works. But there was a period of my life to where I didn't want anything to do with that.

17:06Truett Hanes: So at age 20, what was the key reason you thought you're going to try out your dad's mindset and adopt it? was there like something that just sparked that fire was did you look in the mirror did you did something did somebody say something to you like what was it looking back

17:28Jake Dearden: I think it came from me just looking around at the rest of the world in a sense um this is right around the time of like social media kind of blowing up because I never really cared too much about social media. And I think I was just seeing the world and seeing people that were like trying to get better, like Goggins, people in that sphere. And I was like, I honestly think I could do that. So I saw myself and I like, I saw what I could be. And I saw what I was at that moment. And I was like, I was still going to the gym seven days a week. Like I was extremely dedicated there because all I wanted to be in my life was to be jacked, be ripped.

18:15Jake Dearden: So even though I was smoking cigarettes, drinking beer, I would still had like a raging six pack because that's all that I cared about in that moment. All that I would do is I went to school, went to work, I would work out. So I was just like big gym guy. What was work at the time? Worked at a grocery store in a meat department. so it would be like four days a week I would work from 2 30 to 11 p.m and some days I'd get off at 11 p.m and I'd go to the gym still so it's like I'd get done working out like midnight so I still had that level of dedication I still had that discipline that my dad instilled in us just not in the running and and not in truly performance I was just looking for like aesthetics I just wanted to be ripped and I was able to achieve that but then like I said with like seeing Goggins and and seeing all these dudes getting after it I was like I think that I could do that because when I was 13 I ran a full marathon and that 13 at 13 years old oh so like and why did you do that

19:19Truett Hanes: is it just random is it was it just like a bat no my dad would have you think probably that it

19:25Jake Dearden: It was my idea, but he's the one who brought it up. He's like, dude, I think it would be sweet if you ran a marathon. He's like, I think that you could do it. I think you have the talent and the discipline. And I was like, yeah, you know, why not? So I did it. I trained with him. At this time, I was running track in school, and I was on the basketball team. And then also on the weekends, I was training with my dad for the marathon. So I finished in three hours and 30 minutes when I was 13. 13 3 hours 30 and dude i was a tiny dude i was i was i was that big i was this big like i say that and it seems like a joke but i was the smallest dude growing up in school like in my grade i would i think at this age i was probably 4 10 60 pounds but i ran i remember at like mile 22 during that race you know i look like a little guy this one lady during the race when I was passing her, she was like, man, when you're all grown up, you're going to be winning this race.

20:28Jake Dearden: And ever since then, I just thought to myself, I was like, well, that's crazy. Like, there's no way that would ever happen. But now I'm thinking to myself, as a 29 year old, I was like, maybe I could still win. This was the Eugene marathon. I was like, maybe I could actually win that race now that I think about it. Because my goal right now is the Olympic trials. I have to run a sub 216, that time would win that race. So if I'm able to get to that shape, I should in theory be able to win the Eugene marathon. And then that lady saying that even after all these years, 16 years later, I still remember her saying that.

21:06And I'm still like, that could be me.

21:08Jake Dearden: I could win this race. It's just one of those things where, are you willing to work for it? And I guess we're going to see. I knew what it took to get to a certain level. I had felt it before in my life. So when I was 20, I was like, my 13-year-old self, what would happen if I brought that passion and that discipline back into my life? How far could I go? So there was like a little hint there of I knew what it was like to be there before. Now let's get that back. Because I'd rather it's a Theodore Roosevelt quote, but it's better to fail than to never to try to succeed at all. So I was like, let's see what this is all about.

21:55Jake Dearden: Let's see how far I can go. And and maybe I don't have a gift. Maybe I don't have any talent. I guess we're going to find out. But I'd rather find out for myself than just sit idly by and watch my life pass me by. That's so sick.

22:12Truett Hanes: When you were 20, did it take a couple of years to get into this? Or was it like one day you're just in it? Or did it take a couple of attempts of trying, you know, failing? Maybe, you know, however you started. Obviously, you said that you were super, super dedicated. But what was like the first goal? You're like, right, I'm going to try this. What was the first goal?

22:37Jake Dearden: Yeah, so it seemed far reaching at the time. and that's all that you can really go by is like you give yourself these little goals and then you kind of see where you're at and then you see if the next thing is possible but for me right around 20 my dad he was like listen I think it would be sweet if you qualified for the Boston Marathon so we trained for that two times a week together together yep I'd go and meet him at his work. I was in college during the time, like I said, I'd go and meet him at his work for his lunch break. And we'd run, uh, 13 miles together and we'd go around like six 30 pace a mile.

23:19Jake Dearden: And so we do that for 13 miles, just twice a week. And then just, just a half marathon twice. Well, and I say that because now I run every single day and I was like, I don't know what I was thinking like with twice a week why did I think I'd get that much faster was it his suggestion twice a week or was it yours so one thing I found out about my dad is he is very tough he's probably one of the toughest people I've I've ever come in contact with but there's still so much that we're learning about marathon training and back when I was 20 he's still kind of scratching the surface himself with like what he's capable of.

23:59Jake Dearden: I think he is, he could PR the marathon this year and he's 58. But I think like if he fine tuned some of his training, he could run in the 240s for sure. But at this stage of our lives, I was 20. He's around his 50s. We just go and run a few a week. And then that was good enough to where in 2019, so I would have been like 22 years old, I was able to run a 257 at the Eugene marathon. So the same marathon that I ran three hours and 30 minutes when I was 13, I ran a 257. And then, so I qualified for Boston and Boston that following year though, got canceled because of COVID. So I qualified and then the race didn't happen.

24:49Jake Dearden: And then after that, I completely went away from running at all. You know, so like I got the discipline. I got what I want. I got my goal. And then I was like, I think I just want to go back to being jacked again. I didn't start smoking cigarettes again or anything like that. But I just started lifting. I got married to my wife. And I was like, again, just kind of satisfied, just lifting, being big, starting to get into like some power lifting. and then again just in the back of my mind though I was like I wonder my friend messaged me and he's like hey dude there's a hundred mile race out in Utah I think you should you should sign up and do it and at the time out the only form of training that I would do as far as cardio go to the gym seven days a week but I'd walk my dog a mile a day so it's walking the dog mile a day this is the heaviest I've ever been like 194 pounds, right around 200 pounds.

25:47Jake Dearden: And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to sign up and try to do it. And we'll see what happens. So I was able to do it. That was very painful, by the way, because I didn't train at all. Like I said, it took me 32 hours. So, and I just walked like the whole thing and I was like hallucinating and the whole, all of it.

26:07Truett Hanes: You still got it done though. Like that's still got it done. A hundred miles, no matter what pace you do it at is an achievement. It's so hard. I've only ever done 100 miler. Ended up doing 116 miles because I got lost. It was like self-navigation. Wait, when was that? Was it four years ago now, I think? And what was that for? Exactly as then as you, I got obsessed with ultra running due to listening to David Goggins on Joe Rogan. freaking Goggins is getting everyone started dude that's it um and I learned so much I learned the mental toughness yeah but I realized I wasn't healthy I don't know if you feel this sometimes when you're doing the crazy ultra endurance runs but uh I was hobbling downstairs every day and I it got to the point where I just thought this was normal.

27:05Truett Hanes: And as a 24 year old, I was explaining this to other people and they were like, that's not normal. You shouldn't be hobbling down the stairs every day. You know? So I kind of switched. That was my kind of time to switch from just seeing how far I could physically run, which was great for the mental strength, but switching over to performance and doing the shorter events. so maybe i might try and tackle like a 5k or or something shorter but it took still the same dedication within training to get a fast 5k is to this day i feel like the the guys that are running super super fast 5ks i think is one of the most impressive things ever it is the most miserable

27:52Jake Dearden: race yeah it is ever dude because you are it's the debt it's a dead sprint just about um yeah for

27:58Truett Hanes: 5k yeah hurts so bad but uh that's when i started to i don't know pay attention to my body a little

28:05Jake Dearden: bit more but feel healthier and feel more like myself so that that's just me personally but um

28:11Truett Hanes: like i say 100 miles probably the toughest thing i've ever done i think yeah dude i mean i'm sure you could rip it now like iceland how far did you run i think it was i think it was just short of hundred miles um but it was over a couple of days but i think the the average pace was anywhere between 330 kilometers to to four kilometers so what's that that's like five five thirty mile in

28:37Jake Dearden: to six ten yeah i mean so it's fast yeah uh geez but uh that's with brakes and right right genuinely

28:45Truett Hanes: that's one of the coolest things that i've ever done the the funniest thing i've ever done is speed projects where you're doing an endurance relay race right because you get time to fuel so you can always perform when you're out running but two nothing else matters in the world and for me with social media i'm always thinking i'm always thinking about what should i post next what uh what training i've got on you know proper first world problems what a sponsor's thinking what are my requirements to do today my to-do list whatever it is but it was kind of almost running with a team is almost like an escape for me because nothing else matters i don't care about my recovery i don't care about getting to bed on time uh which when you're doing it for years in a row like it's tough but a couple of nights where i could have just i don't care about what I'm eating.

29:43Truett Hanes: I just need fuel. I don't care about sleep because it just is what it is. And when you're not running, you're, you're in the back of a truck looking up at the stars. It's clear night and you're just talking, whether it's conspiracy theories or whatever you're talking about with the people that you care about, it's, there's nothing better.

30:03Jake Dearden: Well, dude, I've, I've always said this and I would recommend anyone listening to this. If you have never done an ultra of any kind, you should definitely sign up and do one because of that very reason. Normally you're thinking about a million different things in life. Like it's hard to shut your brain off when you're doing an ultra. All you're thinking about is getting to the finish line.

30:23Truett Hanes: It's like survival mode.

30:24Jake Dearden: Yeah, dude. You're like nothing else matters. I don't care about anything else in my life. I just want to get this race done. And then, so when you can just have a singular focus, maybe that's why I like the pull-ups too, the pull-up record, marathons, ultra marathons. it's hard to to shut your brain off sometimes just with everything you have going on you know social media you get people blowing you up for for whatever the reason is and then you have all these different things going on in the world it's like if you can just shut your brain off and focus

30:53Truett Hanes: on one thing it's a good feeling sometimes yeah and that's why that's why I dig it but yeah and

31:00Jake Dearden: real quick just to go back to um my dad with like the Jordan mentality uh one specific part was people would talk about Jordan being like a tyrant and saying that he's a bad guy, but they would say that about him because they've never won anything. And then so as kids, my brother and I, we might have viewed my dad as that at certain times. Bad guy, he's a tyrant, he doesn't want us to have fun. That was maybe true because we had never won anything and we didn't understand what it took to win anything. My dad understood what it takes to be a winner, and he wanted us to be able to join in on that.

31:44Jake Dearden: He wanted us to understand that for ourselves. And it's not always going to be fun. It's not always going to be easy, but it's going to be worth it. So for anyone thinking that training is hard and I don't like suffering all that often, It's like, listen, it's supposed to be hard because you're going to be thankful that you put yourself through that when you cross that finish line and you achieve your goal. Trust me, it's worth it.

32:11Truett Hanes: That's the only thing you remember on your deathbed. I've been told that in a way. I've never lied on my deathbed. But I feel like they're the things that you're going to be proud of. You're not going to remember the pain. even even looking back at your your insane achievements obviously you you remember pain you remember that it hurt but you don't remember it as vividly as when it happened and you always look back on that's a good time so that's why we after a week you the first time you you kind of cross a line of that ultra marathon you say i am never ever ever running again that's what every single time i don't know about you but every single time you're like i'm done with running two days later you're like oh that wasn't that bad nah and you're just like oh let's sign up to another one you're literally signing up to another ultra marathon um is i want to ask a question so obviously you spot very very highly of your dad now that the not that the tables have turned because he's still you know the most consistent guy that you probably know are there any times where you have to pull him up and you're like come on dad you're getting lazy or come on like he's sleeping in or whatever or do you let him do that because he's a little bit older yeah well dude i have to

33:31Jake Dearden: i have to tell him um that he needs to stretch like he's seriously he seriously i don't think so you're like his mom i don't think that he's ever touched his toes like he's so um inflexible, unflexible, inflexible. I don't even know what the word is, but whatever it is, that's him. He just, all he can do is work. Like his mind is like, if I'm not running and stacking miles, if I'm not out shooting my bow, if I'm not out doing the very thing that I need to do, like on performance day, whether that's like, you know, you got to shoot your bow to, to kill an animal. You have to run to be able to run a race.

34:14Jake Dearden: He's very oriented. Like his brain is fixated on, I got to do this task to get better at this task. Whereas like, I've kind of taken it to where I understand if I want to run faster, I also have to make sure that I'm healthy enough to run faster. So I need to stretch. I need to do hip mobility. I need a sauna. I need to take time off if it's necessary, whereas he's just always go, go, go. Sometimes you have to take a step back, especially when you have certain time goals. It's like, it's not gonna happen by accident and it's not gonna happen just by stacking like random miles. You have to have like a certain structured plan.

34:54Jake Dearden: And that's one thing that he just hasn't tapped into yet. Even at 58, like he just said to me, I was just in Oregon this last week visiting my family. and I was on a track running 400s, you know, just working on my leg turnover, working on getting faster. And he saw me doing that and he's like, man, with you being able to run faster, it's starting to inspire me to be able to get to that level because he's never once done speed work. He's always just been, I'm going to go and run the mountain.

35:29Truett Hanes: It's just an engine, just a machine, like a diesel car.

35:32Jake Dearden: Yeah, dude, he's just like, even when he was, okay, So he was training for a Cocodona 250-mile race, and he finished it. I think it took him like 84 hours. So it's like over three days, like three and a half days, just nonstop, go, go, go. He couldn't run because his hamstring had an injury to it. So he just – all he could do was walk. And for this certain training week, he walked over 100 miles just walking. And so it was about like eight hours a day. so he's just out there walking walking walking and in his mind he's like I need to be on my feet getting better or else I don't think I'm going to be able to perform whereas like some people would be take that as a built-in excuse it's like well I can't run anyway because I'm hurt so obviously I'm going to take time off and at the same time he had a broken foot so he ended up finishing cocodona with injured leg broken foot still got it done and that kind of summarizes my dad like in a nutshell it's like why the hell would anyone do that to themselves i don't know but he did it and he's a legend because of it but yeah as far as like actually being your best and performing to the best of your abilities that's one thing he has not been able to do he does that with hunting i'd say yeah because like that's his pride and joy that is how he's found his success he's the best in the world at it when it comes to running though I think he can there's a lot to learn still and I'm happy that he's he's starting to take like stretching more seriously and and things of that nature because he's leaving so much time on the table when it comes to performing you know he can

37:14Truett Hanes: learn a little bit from me there I think that's the beauty of elite running and getting to that elite standard going from good to great in running right is you can't just run more no i know some people are trying to test that limits you know i think there's a guy called uh jake the ranted

37:33Jake Dearden: japan guy ran to japan yeah train harder not smarter yeah trying to train harder not smarter

37:37Truett Hanes: but i think even he acknowledges that you need you can't just keep increasing the miles and just hoping to get faster. You have to optimize everything within your life, not just the training. And maybe that seems like that's what your dad is the best at, optimizing his training. He can work harder than anyone else, and that has brought him to a point with running. But to get to that next level, you've got to optimize your sleep. You've got to optimize your recovery, whether that's sauna, whether that's mobility, foam rolling. you've got to work on your technique like running technique like there is no there is no elite runner in the world that doesn't do specific sessions or drills where they're focusing on their technique even when they still can run perfect form and they know

38:33Jake Dearden: i'm starting to get into that myself dude it's interesting i'm learning so much yeah to where i'm focusing on my mechanics now i'm just trying to optimize everything so So, yeah, it's a freaking, it's hard to be able to run to a certain level. You got to get everything dialed. Yeah. And yeah, for you, dude.

38:49Truett Hanes: Even like power to weight ratio. We're both struggling with that at the moment, I'd probably say. Yeah. We're both a little bit bigger than we should be for running. If you wanted to get to that elite standard, you're doing a great job, by the way, of dropping weight. But the just.

39:03Jake Dearden: Well, dude, when you hear me say that I don't do any upper body exercises and I don't take creatine and I'm just letting like all my muscles. kind of just like melt off my body what is when you hear that are you just like i can never do

39:17Truett Hanes: that or what's your mindset no i understand because and that's probably a very similar i think we're in very similar positions where right now in our lives performance is over everything it's over aesthetics it's over like i couldn't care what i look like now okay yeah i want to achieve the goals that whether it's in high rocks whether it's in running i want to achieve my goals and that's all i care about that's what i'm talking about uh i'm not bothered about but maybe we think like that because we have been in shape and we've kind of like been there and done that and we want to try something new right and it's kind of moving on um i'm not saying that's not important it it definitely is important but at the moment we're willing to sacrifice that and i think that's just what we've got to do like power to weight ratio matters within sport especially the sport of running where you're holding your own body weight especially the sport of high rocks uh well again it's really just one hour of being as efficient as possible through movements uh so yeah i i credit you but i understand how hard it is especially when you spent all your life trying to get muscle right you've literally and now you're undoing it all not to a point where you'll never get it back because you know and i think that's probably one of the reasons why you're happy to let it go because you know it'll come back and you know how to get it yeah you know how to get it you know how to work hard and muscle memory is an incredible thing but you no matter how long you take off you know you know if you wanted to to get jacked again it'll take you three to six months and you'll be back there because you've already built that muscle in your teens in your early 20s um that that's how i see it and this is a chapter of your life where you need to dedicate it to performance you've set a goal your one purpose is achieving the olympic trials that is your number one purpose at the moment and if you don't achieve it you're going to be kicking yourself and you're going to be kicking yourself because you did too many push-ups all right yeah exactly so you need to sacrifice everything to achieve that um right and how i

41:31Jake Dearden: view it and i've said this on my youtube series but i'm viewing this as like a movie role i'm getting myself ready for the role and it's not the healthiest comparison but like christian bale when he was getting ready for the machinist yeah he got down to like 118 pounds and normally he was sitting around like 185, 200 pounds filming Batman. And then he took it upon himself to lose all the weight and get ready for this role because he felt like that's what was necessary to be able to perform to the best of his abilities and to honor that role. And I'm kind of just viewing that in the same light.

42:07Jake Dearden: It's like, in order for me to actually have a shot at reaching this goal, I need to get down and lose muscle and have that power to weight ratio. I need to get everything ready to be able to run fast. And then so I don't mind the sacrifice that comes with it. And it doesn't guarantee that I'm going to hit my goal. It doesn't guarantee that I'm going to run a sub 216 marathon. But if I didn't lose the weight, it guarantees that I won't hit that goal. So I would rather try than to never know. And that's where I'm sitting right now.

42:41Truett Hanes: I think because you've picked a goal that is so out there, bigger than you ever thought would be possible, this goal. Right. Did you ever think that you was going to do this, do you know, five years ago, for example?

42:55Jake Dearden: Absolutely not. No. And even now, I saw actually,

43:01Truett Hanes: I think it was on one of your stories, or it might have been a comment, and you said, I think I've got a 10 % chance or something like this or a 20 % chance. of achieving it. And that's because you've gone so big with your goal. And it's kind of this, you know, shoot for the stars, land on the moon kind of mentality. Like, no matter if you don't hit it, you're going to do better than if you would have set an easier goal. Right. You would have done better. So what's wrong with setting big goals, big challenges? And I genuinely think you're going to do it. Like, you are going to do it. I understand, like, if I could play my bets, yeah i don't know if i can bet but uh if i could bet on that i would bet on you achieving your goal because of how dedicated you are and not just you appreciate that the team around you your dad believes in you your wife believes in you and these are the things that your family believes in you these are the things that matter because if they didn't believe in you and they weren't prepared to go through the sacrifices that they have to make for you to achieve your goal like You were saying you and your wife are a dream team together.

44:09Jake Dearden: Oh, yeah.

44:10Truett Hanes: She helps prepare everything so you can go and execute and make it easier for you. Yeah. She's okay with sitting in watching Shrek for the fourth time this week. Honestly, she's the one that puts it on. Oh, right. There we go. Even better. If you had someone that was the opposite of that, oh, come on, let's go out. Let's go to bars all the time. Let's go to, you know, I want to go on holiday every week. or I want to, why are you running all the time? I want to spend more time with you. That's not going to be productive and it will eventually break you.

44:45Jake Dearden: Yeah.

44:45Truett Hanes: And you will give into it sometimes.

44:47Jake Dearden: Yeah, it takes a level of sacrifice from her end. And yeah, like you're saying, everything that you just said is exactly right. If the people closest to you believe in you, then you're doing something right. And I'll go back to, it's like, yeah, I have maybe a 10 % chance of hitting this.

45:03Truett Hanes: but in order to achieve greatly you said that not me i 100 over here you said the 10 heck yeah man

45:11Jake Dearden: no it's it's fine it's you know a lot of people say it's like i'm starting too late i don't have the base that it takes but in order to achieve greatly you have to be willing to fail greatly and that's that's part of what i'm okay with i'm okay if that's the possibility but But with me understanding that's part of it, I'm going to give everything, as we know. Everything is going into this one goal, and I'm going to be that much closer to achieving it than if I was to never even try at all. So I'm okay. No matter where I land, I need to know how fast I can run a marathon. I need to know that for myself.

45:52Jake Dearden: So whether that's 215, 217, maybe it's 221. I have no idea, but I'm going to find out. And I'm willing to find out. And I think a lot of people hopefully can take the lesson of be willing to find out for yourself. Don't let other people discourage you. Don't let other people say, no, this is all you can do. You're only ever going to be this good. Don't let other people get a say as to what you can accomplish in this life.

46:20Truett Hanes: That's perfectly summed up. And an example that I could give in like another field, completely it's still endurance related but uh carbohydrate intake yeah literally i got slated 18 months ago because i said that i could take on more carbohydrates than 60 to 90 grams per hour and i said that on a podcast and people were like he's lying he's uh he's a fake he's he's not doing that he's he that's impossible and i got so much hate for this and now the studies are coming out that cyclists are taking on 120 to 140 grams of carbohydrates every single hour on the and you know runners are taking this to the level like um speaking to professional runners that they're trying and practicing with 100 120 grams per hour while start running and it was just one of these things that all like literally 18 months ago wasn't a thing and now everyone's trying it well

47:19Jake Dearden: Well, dude, it's impossible until someone does it.

47:22Truett Hanes: Yeah. So you're going to achieve that goal. But let's break it down. So obviously the goal itself is qualifying for the Olympic qualifiers. When does that take place? So it's for the 2028 Olympics, but when does it actually take place?

47:39Jake Dearden: 2028, I believe I have until April of 2028.

47:43Truett Hanes: Okay, April of 2028.

47:44Jake Dearden: So I have a little over two years to cut off on a qualifying course around a 2.29 at CIM. That was last month. So I need to cut off over 13 minutes off my marathon time in two years.

48:03Truett Hanes: So we've got two years, 13 minutes, and you're going to have numerous attempts. Obviously, you've thought about attempts that you're going to have. do you have a date in the diary for your first attempt yet or are you just going to gradually see keep doing marathons and then gradually whittle down that time yeah i would say that

48:24Jake Dearden: cim this upcoming year it's in december nice cool weather fast course like i said there's over 50 dudes just qualified at that course this last year it's known for being a fast course so I would say December of this year will be a great attempt. It'll be a great attempt at seeing where I'm at. It'll be an honest effort. And then I have that next year still to see where I can get to. But I would say right now, CIM, December, 2026. First stop. First stop. I'm going to give it a shot and we'll see where I go. But I would say if I had to guess to the two teens this year, then I'd be on track of where I want it to be.

49:13Jake Dearden: But like I said, this is self-coached, self-organized, self-motivated, self-disciplined. I just want to see where I can get to this year. And then I have a lot of great resources for 2027 just to really dial it in if I need to. But But the whole idea of me doing it by myself is I just want to show people that if you want something, if you truly are willing to put in the necessary amount of work and you have a pair of shoes, you have a running trail, you have a winning mindset, then you can become anything you want in this world. So I guess we'll see if that lasts me all the way until the Olympic trials.

49:54Jake Dearden: But as of right now, that's the goal. Just doing it by myself. And we'll see how far I can go. So we've got 30 minutes to take off.

50:03Truett Hanes: If you could talk about three points or three main areas of focus where you want to improve on to knock off them 30 minutes. I'd probably say start off with the first one being weight.

50:18Jake Dearden: Yeah. You're trying to drop weight at the moment. So CIM, I was 164 the morning of. And then I just told you before this podcast, I was 156 flat. Crazy. So eight pounds. And then the math there is usually like eight seconds per mile with your fitness staying the same. So technically I ran, what was that, like 543 per mile at CIM. And then so that dropped me down to like 535 per mile. I need to get down to like 510 per mile in order to qualify for the trial. So what I would say, like the three main points, losing weight, I want to be more efficient, 5K time. I need to get that down because that's usually a great predictor of how much power you have.

51:01Truett Hanes: What's your 5K at the moment? Or have you not really tested it?

51:04Jake Dearden: I haven't really tested it. I just ran.

51:06Truett Hanes: It's hard to find like 5Ks. Dude. I don't know if it is over here, but in the UK, we've got this thing called a park run, which is probably your easiest way of getting in. That's every Saturday. Yeah, I see you always doing those. Yeah, so basically it's just, it's not like chip time or anything. It's not tracked or anything. Like literally they set off a timer and you come in and somehow they know your time.

51:31Jake Dearden: You better not claim that as your PB because we got the running police after you.

51:36Truett Hanes: Oh, yeah, we got the running police. You can't. Yeah, FYI for anyone out there, please do not say that you've got a PB when you're just training. You're not allowed to do that apparently. You're not allowed to do that, man.

51:48Jake Dearden: You should be thrown in jail.

51:49Truett Hanes: Yeah, I should be. The only time you're allowed to say that you've got a PB is if you've done it in a natural race. So just for people out there. You've got to be careful. Yeah, got to be careful. But yeah, so we've got these organized park runs. It's actually pretty cool. It's free. Yeah. And it's every Saturday. And I think there's like 300 around the country where it's organized events. And around like 200 to 300 people turn up. And you can just go. And people run it for fun. people race it and it is probably the best way of kind of testing out your 5k in the uk obviously there are other races and stuff like that like official organized races but part run is probably your best shot what do you have around here do you have access to a lot of races or do you have

52:36Jake Dearden: to travel oh there's there's a lot of races in utah there's a lot of great runners here in utah So there's a Provo crew out here that a lot of the dudes just qualified for the trials and they've invited me out to come and run with them. And and I think that I I likely will at some point just to be able to you know, you want to be able to run with dudes that are faster than you instead of thinking that you're the fastest man alive. It's like if you can go and be if you go and be humbled every once in a while, then that's good. so I'm not sure if they do like 5k's but they definitely put in work to where my 5k time would improve so like I said if I could drop weight improve my 5k time and then my half marathon time and also like 10k it's like if you can if you have good fast times to be able to show that like you can hold faster than a 5 10 pace over the course of a 10k half marathon then you're on the right track to be able to run a fast marathon i think that definitely applies to someone like yourself

53:39Truett Hanes: who has got that ultra endurance mentality and you know not to give up because realistically if you can run a half marathon at that time like it obviously it's topple the distance so it you need to work on your endurance and things like that but you've got the mentality where you you've done practice and you know what it's going to feel like yep and so I think I think that you're right there in and it's cool that you've uh said that so um yeah yeah dude and then honestly the

54:13Jake Dearden: one of the biggest things I would say for me to being able to achieve this goal is just the mindset portion of it I know that we always talk about and it's like it seems like I have that on lock it's like oh yeah you don't have to worry about you don't have to worry about him he's just mentally tough. He's never going to be broken. But anyone you talk to, there's always going to be moments of doubt. Like even during this build and announcing the trials, there's like a little bit of doubt in the back of my mind. And I'm like, man, this is something to where I don't know if I can achieve it because you have so many people in the running community that are telling you, you can't do this.

54:54Jake Dearden: You shouldn't even attempt it. It's disrespectful to even announce that this is your goal to people that can actually do it. Some people have said that. Some people have said that

55:05Truett Hanes: and that's disrespectful to dream big. That's crazy.

55:08Jake Dearden: That's their take in geez. I mean, I guess so. But the point is if you are, I'm a person, you know, I'm a human. So you hear things like this from people that have done it, that have run two 16 marathons. And then, so you think to yourself, I wonder why they think that. And then maybe it's like, well, they're coming from a place of authority. Maybe I don't have what it takes and they're trying to save me from some form of embarrassment. Whatever it is, our minds have so many different thoughts and doubts. And, you know, with self-belief, you have that majority of the time for myself. I'm like, I believe in myself.

55:49Jake Dearden: I believe I can do this. A little bit of doubt creeps in. I'm human. So like that happens. but as long as I don't allow it to just completely deflate my goals and I don't allow myself to become discouraged and I keep working and I keep in and I keep putting in the necessary amount of work day in and day out I think that I'll be able to achieve this goal but just know that like when you're trying to accomplish something that seems far-reaching for yourself it's okay to have some uncertainty and some level of doubt, you're human. It's going to happen. But just don't allow it to dictate if you're going to go for something or not.

56:29Truett Hanes: Do you know what I do to the people that comment or have something to say, have an opinion, a negative one, and they say, it's offensive or you're not going to achieve your goals. Or I think this is, in the politest way, I think this is a bit too far-fetched. I message every single one of them. And I message them I'm saying I respect your opinion. I appreciate you commenting what your comments is. Do you have any advice on me being able to achieve this goal? If you don't think I can do it, what's your advice? If I want to achieve it, what's your advice on helping me achieve it? Please help me.

57:06Truett Hanes: What are they saying? Because obviously you have words of wisdom. Yeah. And I want to hear them. I want to know because all I'm trying to do is collect data and learn. And if you're holding something that you know that I'm not going to achieve that goal and you know why I'm not going to achieve that goal. I want to know and I want to try and overcome that. So you're kind of almost turning them haters, bringing them onto your team. And the replies are always so polite. They always want to help.

57:33Jake Dearden: Yeah, that's right.

57:34Truett Hanes: And they offer, like they're writing paragraphs after paragraphs of nice things, like things that you could literally do. And all they want to do is help you and maybe they've said it in the wrong words on the comments. That's what I always find. Well, dude, that, I don't know. It's actually quite nice to, to, to be able to speak to them guys that do doubt you.

57:56Jake Dearden: I don't know if you're religious at all, but in the Bible, and I might botch this, I haven't said it in a while. I used to have these verses in my mind that I would say right before bed every single night, because it would kind of calm me down. And then I'd finish my night with a prayer. And usually I still do that if I don't fall asleep because sometimes I just pass out. But it's like a gentle word stirs away, no, a harsh word stirs up wrath, but a gentle word like pushes away anger. And it's like, if you can meet anger with a gentle word, normally it catches people off guard. And it's obviously true because that example that he just gave is like, if you would have said, yeah right dumbass you have no idea what you're talking about they would have come just full bore for you and been like you know I knew that you were a dick you're just an influencer you're on all you bpn guys think you're so hot shit and you think that you're awesome and you're not but then it's like the fact that you just said that and you're like oh I'm gonna ask for your advice and like I respect you and your opinion now they're your friend and it's like that goes a long way.

59:10Jake Dearden: If you can actually be kind to people, even though they didn't show you kindness, turn your cheek, then a lot of the times they're not going to hate you. And, and they'll actually, they want to help you out even maybe it's a little bit of like stroke in their ego. And then they're like, yeah, that's right. You're asking me for help. But most of the time they're expecting you to be angry. And then if you're not, it's like, oh man, actually that's, that's an honorable thing that he just did. And now he's asking for my advice. And, and I think that kind of goes back even to like what Alfie was saying about you.

59:44Jake Dearden: If you can be kind in the face of someone that's not being kind to you, just know that that's always going to be more powerful than being like, nah, man, you can't touch this. You can't touch me. I'm way better than you. It's like, that doesn't really help anyone out. And that's what I, sometimes I struggle with that. Sometimes I want to dunk on people and be like, yeah, you know what, I told you, but that's not really helping anyone. And it doesn't really help me. I don't really feel too much better when I do that. But if I do accomplish this goal, there's a lot of people that said I have a 0 % chance of doing it.

1:00:18Jake Dearden: I'm a dumbass for even announcing this. I'm a moron. It's not going to happen. I'm not going to go out of my way to find all these people and be like, yeah, I told you so. But I just hope that they can take just an ounce of inspiration from what I was able to do and that they can apply that to their own lives and their own goals because there's no point in just you want to make the world a better place is what I'm trying to say and I think that you're doing that with the way that you respond to those people and I hope that I can learn something from you and do that as well.

1:00:51Truett Hanes: You're inspiring so many people um what inspired me was obviously you you said that david goggins has had a massive like part of your life and trying to become the best athlete that you can be but you went after his goal yeah and you beat his goal and you got the pull-up record Can you talk us through just how much that took? Because I remember seeing it. I didn't follow you as closely then, but I remember watching it from afar. I can't fathom how you actually achieved that goal. Still to this day, I think that's genuinely one of your most impressive achievements ever. and I still if someone said oh how many do you think you could do in 24 hours I'd be like well not that many not even half of that not even half half of that like yeah no dude you'd be

1:01:50Jake Dearden: surprised it really just comes down to training just like anything you know it's I will say the way that I was able to accomplish that I actually I took advice from Goggins just for the people it was what, 10 ,001 pull-ups in 24 hours? 10 ,001 pull-ups in 24 hours was the record. So I've actually, I've done it twice now. I did 8 ,100 back in 2023. And then that was broken. And a part of me was like, I know that I can, I still have another level to reach. I think I can go back and get more. And then, so I was able to get the 10 ,000 and, you know, I actually, I asked Goggins for advice there. Um, he kind of helped coach me through it when I got to the very end and I was getting ready for the record day.

1:02:35Jake Dearden: He was like, how many reps are you doing per set? And at the time I was doing 10. So, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, 10, you're on the bar for a long time. And that just wears your muscles down, obviously. So he recommended that I dropped down to like 6%. So you bang out six and then you rest. How long are you resting for? So you do a a set of six every 30 seconds. So do six, you have 30 seconds, uh, looking at your watch, boom, 30 seconds is up another six. So it's like 12 a minute. I was able to do that for like 10 hours. And then like, what, but you have to understand per minute for 10 hours.

1:03:20Jake Dearden: Yeah, dude, it was, you know, and obviously like, uh, I took a couple of breaks. You have to go and refuel. You have to take electrolytes to keep yourself from cramping and all that and then redo the bandages. So like you'll fall off that time a little. But for the most part, you're sticking to that. It's like every 30 seconds, boom. So in your mind.

1:03:39Truett Hanes: Is it a specific pull-up that you have to do? Is it like a kipping pull-up? Or is it just literally full extension over the bar? Yeah. That's it. What's the rule?

1:03:48Jake Dearden: Your feet can't cross. So you can't do that. And then no swinging motion. You just have to go full extension. So strict pull-ups. Boom. Yeah, because you have a camera angle right here, and it has to have your chin going over, and then you have to get full extension on the way down, so you have another camera angle from the front. So no cheater pull-ups, full reps, 10 ,001, 24 hours. So that's what I had to do. But in order, it's just like the saying with how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time. You look at the whole elephant.

1:04:19Truett Hanes: So sorry, I've never heard that saying in my life. You guys have heard that?

1:04:22Jake Dearden: Never. How do you eat an elephant? You look at an entire elephant and you're like, how the hell am I going to eat that thing? Because you see the whole thing as is. But if someone cuts off a piece and they hand it to you, you're like, well, I can eat this bite. And then, oh, I can eat this bite. They keep handing you like forks with a little bit of elephant on it. Before you know it, after 10 ,001 forks with a little bit of elephant on it, there's a big chunk off that elephant. And then you're like, oh, I see. So if I just keep taking a bite, it gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Instead of looking at the whole thing and saying, no way, you look at it bit by bit.

1:04:59Jake Dearden: And before you know it, you're done. So the way that I broke the pull-ups down was I'm not going to look at 10 ,000. I have to do 10 ,000 reps. If I was to look at 10 ,000 and I did a set of six, it looks like I didn't even chip away at that number. but if I just look at it as all you could focus on is the next the next set of six then boom I can do six boom I can do six you let hours pass by you're halfway there so it seemed like it was impossible but now you're halfway there you can do it just keep doing that break it down bit by bit before you know it you're at your goal so it was it was super mental you know obviously you got to get yourself physically ready.

1:05:40Jake Dearden: But during training, again, just by myself in my garage or in my backyard, my friend built me this pull-up bar. And then I just put it in my backyard because I wanted to be outside and get some vitamin D. But just by myself and how I would just stay sane during the training was break it down rep by rep. So that's the way that I was able to do it. Just bit by bit, rep by rep. And that's really how you accomplish anything. It's just you don't go out on to run and think to yourself, I got to run 10 miles today and I'm not going to think about like how much I'm progressing until I get to that 10th mile.

1:06:19Jake Dearden: It's like, no, you have these little benchmarks. You get the first mile done, then the second mile done, third mile done. And then you realize you're getting closer to your goal. So just break it down to something that's digestible for you. And then before you know it, you're done with your goal. I love that.

1:06:34Truett Hanes: I actually use that within the marathon i just did uh just take each kilometer as it comes just get through each kilometer yeah you get it you go through these highs and lows and if you if you're going through a low and you've got 20k left you're like i might as well give up i'm gonna feel horrible for the next 20 kilometers but if you think i'll just get to the end of this kilometer yeah by the time that you've got to the end of the kilometer you're in a completely different mindset and you're like oh I'm actually feeling okay. And then there'll be a couple of kilometers. You're feeling okay.

1:07:05Truett Hanes: And then you might go back into the low. It's just highs and lows of training. That's the thing that I find crazy. Yeah, it's life. But after every low, there's going to be a high. Yep. And you've just got to remind yourself that over and over again and never, ever end on a low. If you end on a low, the chance of you ending on a low again in your next training session is likely. and uh i i always play games with my head in my head like imagine a training session if you complete the training session and complete what you set out to do that's that's one point to you if uh if you don't finish it it's one point to the other team and it's just like that and you just you're building your mindset or you're taking away from your mindset yeah and like if you don't finish you're getting weaker if you do finish you're getting stronger Yeah, I do.

1:07:59Jake Dearden: And that is true. And I think a lot of people that compete will understand that. But I also, my wife recently told me this, one of her degree instructors posted this on social media. your best looks different every day and you know it's kind of like a simple quote and with a simple meaning but often those can have like the largest impact and it's true it's like I'm not going to absolutely crush every single day that comes my way I'm not always going to crush my training runs I'm not going to hit the pace that I was after every single run but that was the best I could give that day it's like just give your best effort and allow that day to pass by and just understand that that was your best you could give, but tomorrow is a whole new day, and maybe your best is going to look a lot better, but as long as you're willing to show up and keep showing up every single day, your best is going to improve that much better, and just keep getting higher and higher, and then before you know it, even when you have a bad day, it was a lot better than what you were before, so just understand that it's like you're not always going to feel great.

1:09:09Jake Dearden: I don't always feel great, but I show up regardless.

1:09:12Truett Hanes: And you do show up, and I think you've got this bulletproof mindset. What I've seen over probably the last four months of watching you from afar, like I say, on YouTube, is you've started to, although your mindset is always get the miles done no matter what, you've also began to listen to your body more and take time off when you need time off. yep and i think that's important as well a lot of people are talking about this you know this bulletproof david goggins mindset where you run through every single pain going you know he he famously uh ran was it moab 240 with a knee that he needed like a you know injections just to take

1:10:00Jake Dearden: out the yeah also hold on my phone's going off the inflammation no i don't stress uh to like just

1:10:06Truett Hanes: to take out the information and then he'd run again yeah obviously that's not healthy but he had a goal set and he wanted to finish that and that's him but with training when you're in training as well you can have your best training session but if you're hurting yourself because you're because you're kind of going all out yeah you're not going to be in the optimal state further down the line for the thing that actually matters which is the race or whatever you're training for so i know when in training do you think ah i should actually stop and i should listen to my body right my body's hurting i need to potentially eat i need to potentially rest a little bit more than i thought or planned yeah uh how often does that come about for you or do you literally are you that hardcore that you you never do that you never listen to your body well that's a and

1:11:01Jake Dearden: honestly, that's another level of discipline is, you know, some people think just pushing through is like the ultimate form of discipline and, and toughness, but sometimes doing less so that you can go harder the next day is more, it's more impressive in my eyes because you're saying now, dude, like I want to be able to improve to this level rather than just pushing through and getting through this run and then now I'm not getting better truly because I'm really hurting myself in the long term. But yeah, I've had to start listening to myself now that I have these certain time goals. I know that pushing through and like just, you know, even doing like a little jog is not going to really help me to be able to achieve this goal that I now have.

1:11:48Jake Dearden: So it's like I missed the New York marathon because I was pushing myself so hard in training to where that week leading up, I couldn't run a mile faster than like a 10 minute mile. Cause my legs were so jacked up. I strained my hip flexor really bad. And like my quads were strained to where I just think I kept pushing myself so hard day after day, instead of taking like any recovery days in between, because I was so set on wanting to prove people wrong. A lot of people were saying I could only run fast on like a downhill course. So then I was like, okay, I'll show you. I'm gonna run a fast time at New York.

1:12:28Jake Dearden: And I let that motivate me, proving people wrong rather than just trusting my training. So I was like, I'm gonna go hard every single day to make sure that I hit my goal rather than being disciplined and being like, I'm gonna go hard on this day and then allow my easy days to be easy and my hard days be hard. I'm just going to go hard every day. And I found out that I'm human after all. And I hurt myself and I had to pull out of that marathon and that doesn't feel good. And it was all because I wasn't disciplined enough to be able to take easy dates. And so it's like, how tough are you really if you just run yourself into the ground and then you can't even perform?

1:13:07So I understand that kind of

1:13:09Jake Dearden: help sometimes with ultra running. Um, but when it comes to marathons, it's a freaking completely different ball game. It's like either you can train and get faster and run a really fast marathon. And like you, you push your body to be able to run that fast or you don't have what it takes because you didn't put in the necessary amount of work and training. So, and that shows up on race day. And that's one thing that I've just really had to train myself and hold myself to is if my level of training isn't actually helping me, then I'm going to absolutely eat it on race day. And I just, I can't afford to do that anymore.

1:13:52Jake Dearden: I've learned that lesson too many times over at this point. So like I said, I'm not blaming anyone because it's myself. I'm my own coach. So it's like, you got to be accountable. And there's a lot of trial and error there. and obviously like having a real coach probably would keep me from learning those lessons but I just find that it's a little bit more fun that way it's like being able to learn those lessons and I think you've almost got to go through them yeah I think you got to go through them and I think I'm better because of it too so I think I'm on the right path now but yeah dude it's just it's really hard and and I think it should be so I'm not shying away from it that moves us nicely onto

1:14:33Truett Hanes: recovery and I want to talk about the things that you implement into your recovery that helps you

1:14:42Jake Dearden: perform at this high standard that you perform at yeah so I stretch about like 30 minutes a day

1:14:49Truett Hanes: is that morning evening after a session before a session I usually I like to do it after a run

1:14:55Jake Dearden: just when my muscles are a little bit looser and then so I'm just able to really maximize my stretching, I feel like. And then normally when I'm in the sauna, I have a sauna at my house. I do that for 20 minutes a day and I'll stretch in there as well. So just making sure that I'm feeling limber and that I'm working through any pain that I might have. And I also walk my dog for about a mile or two miles a day. So that's just kind of active recovery. And I do that because I enjoy just shutting my brain off. I don't have to worry about pace. I don't have to worry about anything other than just hanging out with my dog and walking and being outside.

1:15:32Truett Hanes: Do you listen to music or no music or nothing, just you and your thoughts when you're with your dog?

1:15:38Jake Dearden: During that with my dog, I just, I don't have any music or anything. Yeah, I just go out and enjoy the world and no music, no distractions and just hang out with her. And then when I'm on my runs, kind of depends, but I'll usually listen to music or a podcast, Sometimes nothing. If I just feel like I want to, if I just want to go and relax and just get the miles done and I'm not worried about pace that day, then I'll just go with no music even and no podcast. What about sleep? Sleep is huge. I mean, just last night, my wife and I were in bed by 9.30. Yeah, and then we wake up. We get about like nine hours of sleep at night.

1:16:19Jake Dearden: And then we don't have any kids. We just have the German Shepherd, the big dog. So she wakes up at like 4 a.m. and I go and take her out every morning. But other than that, just able to get a full night's rest. And I think that that is very critical, obviously. It's just I can maximize my recovery and I feel good every morning.

1:16:40Truett Hanes: Do you wake up naturally? Do you try and wake up naturally every morning, like no alarms? Or is there kind of like a cutoff where you're like 8 a.m., this is the final time where I need to be up at this time? Or if you're tired, you sleep in?

1:16:53Jake Dearden: Yeah, well, I don't like to sleep in and I don't take any naps or anything like that because I just feel like it's such a waste of time. I get up at like 6.30 just so that I can have my, I enjoy my mornings more than anything. Like just eat my breakfast. It's the same breakfast every morning. What's the breakfast? Four eggs, sourdough toast, about 120 grams, half a tablespoon of butter, half a tablespoon of honey on the sourdough and then a black rifle coffee with creamer and stevia for like a little bit of sweetener vanilla stevia and I have that every morning and I look forward to it every single morning and then so it's like the necessary amount of protein carbs and then I get on with my day and that's just how every morning starts and that's like honestly like the most enjoyable one of the most enjoyable part of my days is just getting started for the day and it's like all right let's get ready to attack that's sick are

1:17:54Truett Hanes: you spending that alone are you spending that with the dog with your wife like with my wife

1:18:00Jake Dearden: every morning yeah so we do just about everything together you know except for training sometimes she'll come and ride her back next to me during training but yeah it's my wife and i it's just like I said we don't have any family out here so it's just her and I and the dog and it works for us dude we love each other we love to do the same things together and I always say this to people but my wife's has like the most Jordan mentality out of about like anyone that I know oh so she is the one behind it all she's a tough one she is she's freaking tough she gets it she knows what it takes to be great.

1:18:40Jake Dearden: She knows what it takes to be a winner.

1:18:42Truett Hanes: Is there any times where she has to say, come on, Truett, like you said you was going to do this. Let's get it done. There's really a

1:18:49Jake Dearden: couple moments that I can think back to one day during training for the 8 ,100 when I broke the record in 2023, I was getting ready to quit altogether. And it was just a really low point during training because I was like, I had to do 3 ,000 that day. I got to 800 and I told my wife that I was done. I was like, listen, I'm, I'm done training. I don't even think I can get this record. I'm too heavy, all these different excuses. And she was like, I don't understand what you're saying to me right now. She's like, this isn't who you are. You know what it takes to get this done. And why don't you just try again tomorrow?

1:19:27Jake Dearden: It's like, you just don't feel that great today. And it goes back to like, give your best, your best looks different every day type of deal.

1:19:35Truett Hanes: But so did you leave that session just doing 800? Yeah.

1:19:38Jake Dearden: I left that day just doing 800 kind of, sorry, 800 pull-ups in a day.

1:19:44Truett Hanes: That's a failure. That's a failure. He was going to do 3000 that day. You only did 800, but you walked away pissed off, but you still got it to it the next day.

1:19:54Jake Dearden: And that's what I want people to understand is the mindset. It's never unbreakable. You're always going to have low points. You're always just, you're close to not doing something. That's why it's like, it's a miracle when everything goes right and you accomplish your goal. If your goals are big enough, they require everything from you. And that's why it's so sweet when you get to the end. It's like, it took everything from you. So now you should be proud of yourself that you're able to do it. That's why I want people to aim high. because a lot of the times people set their sights too low, I feel like.

1:20:31Jake Dearden: But if you aim high, then at least, you know, you're going to be that much better for doing that, for setting your sights high. So I stopped at 800, was supposed to do 3 ,000, technically failed that day, and just came back, I believe, maybe two days later, and then just started training for it again. So that was in May. Five months later, set the record in October. And it's like I had that moment of weakness, but five months later, I was victorious because I stuck with it. So you have a low point. Don't let that define you. Keep working at it. And then before you know it, you conquered your goal.

1:21:12Jake Dearden: But, yeah, my wife, there's another point where I won the East Canyon Marathon out here, got first place, finished at the time of 237. And I remember after that race, it was two weeks after the Leadville 100. And I told her it was just so painful because I think my body hadn't recovered fully from Leadville. I was like, I seriously don't know if I'm going to be able to run the trials time. I was like, that was 20 minutes slower, and that just crushed me. And she was like, well, you just ran 100 miles two weeks ago. Like, what did you expect? She's like, you shouldn't feel, you shouldn't expect yourself to feel great because you just did that.

1:21:53and just kind of reminded me that this is expected and not every day is great.

1:22:00Jake Dearden: And as long as you stick with it, I know that you're going to be able to accomplish your goal. So I need that sometimes from her. She is everything to me. A lot of the times she's my source of inspiration, my best friend, the love of my life. And she holds me accountable. so when I go and train to myself what I think to myself is I want to make sure that I'm also respecting her and her sacrifice because she's in this with me she's out there videotaping me she believes in me and who am I to not give my best on this day I want to honor her and her sacrifice and what she means to me. So I want to make sure that I'm giving her my best.

1:22:47Jake Dearden: That's so sick. So she's your superpower. That's right.

1:22:52Truett Hanes: Any other recovery methods that we didn't touch on there that you'd give kind of advice on or you'd want people to implement if they're going after their own goals? Diet is huge.

1:23:05Jake Dearden: Yeah. What's your nutrition looking like? I say it all the time, but now I've switched my diet from being primarily high protein to low carb. That's kind of like the bodybuilder ways of getting shredded. Now I'm still a decent amount of protein, about 160 grams of protein a day.

1:23:25Truett Hanes: So we're talking like a gram per pound?

1:23:29Jake Dearden: Around there, yeah. Yeah, just so that I can recover fully. but carbs are my main form of your superpower right now they're my other superpower i live in my life carbs in my life but yeah it's like 420 grams of carbs a day just about like right around there i track every single thing that i eat i'm pretty dialed when it comes to that because i found that i cannot lose any weight at all and i can't optimize if i'm not tracking my food there It's just too much guesswork. I like that.

1:24:02Truett Hanes: It's like a bank balance. You check it every day. You're going to see progress.

1:24:07Jake Dearden: Yeah. Yeah, that's all that it is. And I know some people are like, well, I don't want it to be an unhealthy habit. But for me, it's discipline is freedom. It's like when I can see how much I've actually eaten, then I know it's like I can still enjoy myself. I feel like I put in enough work to where I can eat just about anything I want. And it's not really a hindrance to me in my lifestyle. But yeah, diet is huge. If you think diet's not important, then you got to check yourself.

1:24:31Truett Hanes: Do you try and get your greens in? Do you get your vegetables?

1:24:37Jake Dearden: I love fruit. I have a banana and apple once, mostly twice a day. And then greens will, usually around dinner time, I'll have some vegetables. But yeah, my wife, she's a rock star and she's huge there as well. She's like my nutritionist. So, yeah, she's always cooking up the best stuff. We have steak all the time, ground beef. We get it from a local farm here. And it's just like grass-fed, free-roaming cows that are just, you know, they live great lives. As great as they can live here. And then, yeah, we just get half a cow every year.

1:25:17Truett Hanes: Oh, so you kind of get... Maybe like every six months. And then you just have a big freezer?

1:25:22Jake Dearden: Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, and then my dad, he kills an elk here every year that I go out with him. Does he give it you?

1:25:28Truett Hanes: Is he kind enough to give it you? He gives me half the elk.

1:25:31Jake Dearden: So, yeah, we have that. So between half an elk, half a cow, that lasts us a while.

1:25:37Truett Hanes: Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool. How is it? Do you feel, obviously, like you said, you get it from either a butcher's near you or you go and hunt it yourself. Do you feel a difference in the quality?

1:25:51Jake Dearden: Oh, yeah. dude it tastes so much better like we went and bought store but or the the beef from a local grocery store and it just tastes so watered down for whatever reason it's like it doesn't even taste like how beef should taste compared to the the cows that we get out here from the local farmer it just has so much of a richer taste but yeah i noticed a huge difference

1:26:18Truett Hanes: crazy i was actually speaking to uh someone who uh like delivers chickens uh like chicken breast and not makes chicken breast obviously but uh kind of like delivers it supermarkets and stuff and they were saying i think it was in doha so the middle east and they were saying what they do a technique that they do is they inject it with this substance that is basically water and sugar mixed water sugar and salt mixed uh-huh and they inject the chicken breast with it so it tastes nicer yeah and it's like better for cooking and stuff like that obviously it has its pros but yeah do you really want your chicken injected with sugar i don't know um personally i'm good yeah so you know each to their own and i'm not gonna lie unfortunately i probably say i have to buy all my stuff from the supermarket yeah so um but it's i think it's still better than eating out all the time not knowing exactly what's going in your food um so try and keep everything as healthy as possible within reason we like obviously to enjoy ourselves every now and again i think that's a great stress release as well i've seen on on your youtube sometimes you'll go and you'll go to a nice restaurant oh yeah what's your favorite cuisine what's your

1:27:36Jake Dearden: What's your favorite type of food? Well, dude, we got... To meet out with. I mean, just tomorrow night, we have a reservation to this Italian place. I love pasta. But my wife and I, we got this local pizza joint around here called Slackwater. Double pepperoni, hot honey. It is so good. Hot honey is the rage at the moment on pizza, isn't it? Yeah, no, it's all the rage. But yeah, my wife and I freaking go to town on that place. So I would say...

1:28:04Truett Hanes: We need to try and do that like once a week or something. like go out for food?

1:28:07Jake Dearden: It's usually like around once a week.

1:28:08Truett Hanes: Yeah, that's cool.

1:28:09Jake Dearden: Yeah, so I mean, that's one of the things that we like to do in our free time. We watch movies. We go out to eat, new places, take the dog for a walk. We like to read, but yeah, I do the food.

1:28:21Truett Hanes: Do you read to each other

1:28:21Jake Dearden: or do you read separately? Sounds strange, but...

1:28:25Truett Hanes: Yeah, no, we read separately.

1:28:27Jake Dearden: Yeah, but we'll just lay there in bed and just read our books. Normally it's like, she'll read a book, tell me if it's good or not, if it's worth my time, and then I'll read it after her. But we have similar interests there. It's usually survival books, just talking about human survival and human nature. Interesting.

1:28:47Truett Hanes: I want to go through some quickfire questions. Yeah. So you mentioned, I always like to ask this one just because I feel like it's interesting to me anyway. Yeah. And it's what I care about. But if you was to make a meal for someone else, what would your meal be? What do you make the best out of anything?

1:29:06Jake Dearden: Dude, this is a great question. It is scrambled eggs.

1:29:10Truett Hanes: Scrambled eggs, right? Okay, I thought he was going to say like steak. Normally, it's like steak. And I think steak is a little bit of a cop-out because it's quite easy steak. Once you get the hang of it, like obviously cooking the perfect steak, yes, is hard.

1:29:22Jake Dearden: But yeah, scrambled eggs, right?

1:29:24Truett Hanes: Okay, so go on. Talk us through your scrambled egg making because everyone does it different.

1:29:28Jake Dearden: Everyone does do it different. what I find is either people overcook them and it's like they're kind of rubbery or they don't cook them enough and they're a little bit snotty like someone just freaking did a snot rocket in there but no dude I do it perfect I do it perfect I feel like and then so if someone wants scrambled eggs I'm hosting your boys got your back and then I mean my wife makes a sourdough so I can't take credit there but i can certainly put it in the toaster for you so if you want sourdough toast and scrambled eggs come to my house yeah come over to truett's he's got it that's sick that's sick

1:30:10Truett Hanes: uh next one best habit you have so the best thing that you do maybe every day just one thing that other people could listening could like take up and it improved their life one habit

1:30:28Jake Dearden: one habit that i do that's a difference maker i would say taking my dog for a walk it's like and you don't even need a dog to do it but just going out for a walk for like 20 to 30 minutes a day i just find you don't find it's a bit strange if you've not got

1:30:45Truett Hanes: a dog and you're a man just walking aimlessly so it's a little bit weird i'll agree with you

1:30:50Jake Dearden: there it's so funny it's like people's defenses go way down when you have a dog with you they're like oh it's this guy and his dog but if you're out there walking around your hood up hands in your pockets just checking people out they're like who the heck is this guy but yeah okay maybe get a dog go and adopt a dog and then take it for a walk but 20 to 30 minutes a day even like picking up the dog's poop and and going around seeing the sights not listening to any music just listening to yourself breathe and just thinking about things, just thinking, thinking just like with quietness and not looking at your phone.

1:31:24Jake Dearden: I didn't even take my phone with me. I'm unplugged. I'm like a fricking, um, hippie yoga master. The point is don't bring your phone. Just think your own thoughts and hang out with your dog. If you have one and just go for a stroll. I just find that like that is where I'm able to do some of my best thinking. Yeah. That's your therapy. That's my therapy.

1:31:49Truett Hanes: Spinning it. What's the worst habit you have? Because everyone has bad habits. Like one that you've not kicked yet. Like there must be something.

1:31:59Jake Dearden: Man, my worst habit. Yeah, let's see. Can I think of something good? Is there anything I'm hiding?

1:32:07Truett Hanes: I'll go mine whilst we're waiting. Mine is being messy. I am a little bit messy. In what way? I just, you know, forget to clean up after myself sometimes. Like, I'll leave stuff out. I'll just, like, aimless. Like, I'll leave cupboard doors open and stuff like that. Like, sometimes after, yeah, I know you probably look at me a little bit different now. Oh, definitely.

1:32:35Jake Dearden: Now, you live with your girlfriend?

1:32:37Truett Hanes: Yeah, I live with my girlfriend, but she's not any better. Oh, really? No, no. But she likes to think she is, but I don't think she is. Dude, I was going to say. Tom's shaking his head. She's definitely not better.

1:32:47Jake Dearden: I was going to say, my wife, not a chance that would happen in my house.

1:32:52Truett Hanes: Would she tell you off?

1:32:54Jake Dearden: Dude, like I said, that Jordan mentality, it finds itself into being clean around the house and picking up after yourself.

1:33:02Truett Hanes: I've never seen that on any YouTube, like you, you know, with cleaning gloves on, scrubbing. I've never seen that.

1:33:09Jake Dearden: I'm doing the dishes. She does the laundry. But I just freaking pick up after myself. And no shoes in the house. And just helping where I can. Honestly, I'm trying to think bad habits, man. Sometimes I don't pick up the dog poop. There's like 30 piles out there.

1:33:30Truett Hanes: But you always pick it up when you're on a walk?

1:33:33Jake Dearden: Yeah, dude. For sure.

1:33:35Truett Hanes: Unless you're in a woodland where you're off track.

1:33:37Jake Dearden: and yeah that's disrespectful i feel like if you're um now i even when i'm out there i have little poop bags um on my leash and then i'm always picking it up i don't want someone to step in that so honestly i can't think of any bad habits as of right now man it's crazy but

1:33:54Truett Hanes: perfect now i'll take that one like just leaving the dog poops outside i think yeah they're just in my backyard adding it is what it is and like someone comes around and like the and then you're oh i forgot and like oh it's it's the worst thing ever like i can relate i got a german shepherd um okay yeah you do too yeah yeah yeah german shepherd she's got a penny those yeah big dumps for sure yeah she they're great and they're the best they're the most loyal dogs oh yeah world yeah they're awesome they're so friendly behind closed doors maybe not when the postman's at the door or someone's knocking on but uh oh my gosh dude yeah she'd lose her mind yeah but but then like when it's just you guys like they're best i know yeah i agree yeah it's cool it's cool no best dog uh biggest regret biggest regret damn dude these are i know i know this is deep now this is this is pretty deep mine would be playing too much playstation 2 when i was younger dang did it really grab a hold of you

1:34:58Jake Dearden: Oh, yeah, PlayStation 2.

1:34:59Truett Hanes: What game? From the ages of five to, I'd probably say five to like 14, I'd probably say. Just playing too many computer games.

1:35:12Jake Dearden: Simpsons Hit and Run, do you remember that? Yeah, I too. I would play that at my friend's house. That game was a dick. If I would have had that in my house, I would have been right there with you. GTA, I think.

1:35:25Truett Hanes: San Andreas.

1:35:26Jake Dearden: I had Saints Row.

1:35:28Truett Hanes: You ever played that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's very similar.

1:35:30Jake Dearden: And, dude, I made the mistake of I had a samurai sword, my character did, and my mom was watching me play it, and I went up to just a random person on the sidewalk and stabbed them with a samurai sword. And my mom was like, what kind of game is this? Took it away. And I was like, well, I shouldn't have done that. I should have probably just stole a car. But bad habit, I used to, I don't do it anymore, but I used to chew nicotine, like tobacco. Oh, okay, yeah. I used to do that. And when I worked at that grocery store, I'd get off at like 11 p.m. And I would drive by the gas station and be like, no, I don't need it tonight.

1:36:08Jake Dearden: But then I would always find like it's so addicting. The nicotine is. I would always just pull back. Like sometimes I would drive home and then I'd be like, no, I'm just going to go home and grab it real quick. And then so I would do that. I did that for a few years. My brother actually got me onto that. So shout out, Tanner. Thank you for that. I love that.

1:36:26Truett Hanes: I've got a question about, like, say, nicotine especially, but like addictive substances. Yeah. I've never once tried nicotine. Oh, dude, it's great. But that's the thing. People say, like, once you give up, once you kick a habit, you know, 66 days, whatever it is, a year down the line, like, you never think about it again. And it's so easy. The more and more I speak to people. Yeah. the more and more like an addiction if if you had a problem not a problem with it but if it was an addictive substance yeah it still does come into your mind and you still think oh like i'd i'd love to have that again all right it's funny tom tom's the one like he he stopped vaping and he kicked vaping the one of the most impressive things i've ever seen because he literally came in one day and was like i'm gonna stop with vaping and he never touched it again really never again he'll he'll admit that when he sees other people doing it or if he drives uh past a petrol station like the thought comes into his head yeah does it ever happen with you or is it kind of like once an addiction has gone you never ever think about it again oh do you think oh that's that's good

1:37:39Jake Dearden: well dude honestly the um the zins yeah i'm sure is that big where you get nowadays yeah because

1:37:46Truett Hanes: Yeah, it's huge. Probably the biggest thing is it solves up vaping, I think.

1:37:52Jake Dearden: Yeah, so it's not like tobacco. It gets in your teeth, causes gum cancer from the tobacco, obviously. So I don't really find myself gravitating towards that. But when I was just at an organ at my parents' house, my brother still, he takes Zenz. He popped it open, and I was like, yo, give me one of those. even though I've, it's been, uh, like I completely kicked the habit, so to speak. I'd see someone with like a Zen and I'm like, um, you know, just give me one. I like, I won't go and buy it myself, but if there's one around, I'm just like, sure. Why not?

1:38:26Truett Hanes: I love it because for, I always, for someone who like say has never tried it or anything, like I always, uh, everyone says about habits, like, Oh, after you're done with the habit, you never think about it again and it's simply not true you've got to withdraw at all man you've got to withdraw from that action for the rest of your life but you all will always have thoughts about it nicotine in

1:38:48Jake Dearden: general people relapse with that drug more than any other drug i think just because it's so widespread and people have it all the time so accessible so accessible yeah but it just it calls your name like you see someone around you doing it you're like ah it's not gonna hurt just doing it on time, right?

1:39:04Truett Hanes: And it seems like they've taken away the majority of the downsides from smoking a cigarette. There are hardly any downsides now to having nicotine. Obviously, like you say, the Zins might be potentially bad for you. I don't know. I've not done the research. People don't know. Yeah. Sorry? Oh, microplastics. Oh, microplastics as well.

1:39:24Jake Dearden: Yeah, true, dude. I mean, we don't really know because they're kind of, you know, they're new. So I'm sure that they're going to be like killing us in 10 years.

1:39:30Truett Hanes: Good on you for kicking that.

1:39:32Jake Dearden: Kind of, I guess. unless you guys have one right now, then hey, let's... But yeah, dude, I mean, cigarettes, I would say, I used to smoke, it was never a huge deal. I used to smoke just like one a day with my cousin in the mall parking lot. I did that for like a couple of years. And it was just kind of like, we would listen to music, turn the music on, keep the doors open, just smoke a cigarette. And then it was just kind of fun, like bonding between him and I. But no, it was never like that big of a deal. but yeah the zins now that's dangerous if you've never done it don't do it if you have done it then

1:40:09Truett Hanes: maybe don't do it all the time there we go so would you say that's your biggest regret like starting on not uh it doesn't yeah it doesn't really i mean unless maybe i have mouth cancer

1:40:21Jake Dearden: when i'm later uh when i'm older um then it's definitely going to be a regret of mine so i I guess we'll see.

1:40:29Truett Hanes: Time will tell. I love that. If you can only do one for the rest of your life, pull-ups or running? God dang, dude.

1:40:39Jake Dearden: That's a tough one, but I will say I have to stick with running. That's your goal. That's your future.

1:40:48Truett Hanes: Especially the next three years, anyway.

1:40:49Jake Dearden: That's my future as of right now. When you just think about it, I love to run with my dad. It's the way that we bond. we've kind of like formed our relationship around getting after it on the trails you can't really do that with pull-ups you know what you're just hanging on the bar together and you're just going forever it's not going to happen he's not really even that good at pull-ups he's good at running though oh he's not good at pull-ups he worked out with Travis Barker um you know Blink 182 yeah he worked out with him and they did like I think four sets of 10 and my dad did it he said he could hardly even do it but he was sore for like for a week and it's just one of those things where if you don't do pull-ups all the time you're just not going to be good at it it's not really work out a lot of people prioritize I've just kind of been weird in that way but um running definitely running because I like to be outside too yeah that's cool and then I want to go deep for this

1:41:41Truett Hanes: last one obviously well you could do it forever but what do you see yourself doing for the rest to your life do you see yourself doing this or do you do you think you'll end up retiring or do you want to retire like just that whole thing what do you think the future is looking

1:41:57Jake Dearden: like for you dude i am i don't think that i could ever stop trying to chase goals just the way that my mind works i'd be very interested in seeing if that's even a possibility for me my mom thought it was impressive that I've been able to stop doing push-ups and pull-ups because just the way that I've always been, I'm always working out all day long. Just like, it's hard for me to sit still. Even when I'm watching TV, I'll just be like doing push-ups for whatever reason. It's just in my mind, I'm like, I'm getting better right now. Like everyone else taking a break, not me, I'm getting better.

1:42:35Jake Dearden: So it's a little bit of like, it's weird that I've been able to switch that off now that I've just gone all in on running. But for me to not have something that I'm working towards or not trying to done something that I've never done before, I'd be very surprised. Just as long as I live, I think that I'm probably going to run myself into the ground. And just seeing the way that my dad is too, like we were talking about how every man needs a purpose in their life. And without one, you just kind of feel lost and I was talking to him and I could just see on his face that he does not he can't be absent from chasing something either even though he's 58 and he's regarded as the greatest hunter of all time and he has all these accomplishments he still has that hunger like he's never succeeded at anything and then so I just think that the way that you're wired when you get to a certain level is i need to have a mountain to climb i don't think that it goes away so if i had to guess i'm never going to reach the top of the mountain but i think i'm okay because i love the process not necessarily chasing an outcome right now is there anything that you

1:43:46Truett Hanes: see yourself chasing apart from running obviously you've conquered you're conquering at the moment running do you think it'll always be running obviously you've done pull-ups in the past you've done other things but is there anything that you have an inkling you're like oh that's

1:44:09Jake Dearden: a scratch i'd love to which you know i don't think so i i think that i have this goal which is you can't see past it i can't really see past it and and i don't think that i want to and i don't think that I should because that would mean that you're thinking about life outside of this. And I think just right now for what it's going to take, I need to be all in on this. And I just take, I try to take every day as it comes, you know, tomorrow has enough trouble of its own. So just focus on today. And I think that once I get there, I'll have an answer for you. But as of right now, I just want to be able to focus on this goal.

1:44:54Jake Dearden: And in the meantime, be the best that I can be in my personal life and to the relationships that I have like being a brother being a son nephew grandson I just want to be the best I can be in all these different facets of my life and and I hope that I can just continue to be that be the best that I can be for my whole life and hopefully leave the world a better place you know that's that's really the

1:45:22Truett Hanes: main goal so no i think i did i think that's smart i think you can't be all in on something if uh you're seeing past it yep you you need to lock in yeah do or die lock in baby just like davis clark

1:45:38Jake Dearden: if you know who that is do you know davis clark no i don't he uh he's the guy who shit his pants at the boston marathon oh i don't know if you ever saw that video anyway he kind of made the like you got to get locked in um like he he was so locked in that he didn't even care that he went

1:45:55Truett Hanes: to the bathroom yeah we have uh in the uk paula ratcliffe was it tom paula ratcliffe i think she did the same in like oh yeah yeah i think i've seen that video yeah and she like throws it to the side or something like that it's proper but that's what it takes some people are different

1:46:11Jake Dearden: but yeah davis clark shout out to him he's a he's an animal and like uh the level to even get there mentally to be like i don't care about these bowel movements i'm gonna freaking push to the limit he's a dog because of it um yeah nothing but respect for davis but yeah man hey i appreciate

1:46:28Truett Hanes: the conversation and oh thank you thank you yeah that was brilliant should we wrap it up there

1:46:32Jake Dearden: i think so and got to get some miles in and yeah let's go and hang out but yeah dude great meeting you and excited to see what you can accomplish as well so i'll be tuning in thank you i appreciate that cheers