1047: Shaun Attwood | From Raves to Riches to Ruin Part One

27:20I fixed that. Move Wildman over to Rancho Murrieta, this huge apartment complex, where all day long Wildman invited in the homeless people, the gangbangers, the streetwalkers, Native American, trans, sex workers, striptease dancers, Russian mafia, Mexican mafia, New Mexican mafia. And it was through him opening the door into that world, I made the initial criminal connections that established the ecstasy empire. It's interesting you roped the Native Americans in with all of those other folks. What is that all about? Half my clique ended up Native Americans. As the criminal enterprise grew, most of the people in my inner circle I trusted, about half of them were Native Americans.

28:05Acid Joey was one of my closest RIP Acid Joey. He was into LSD and ketamine, and he was found dead in his swimming pool with his clothes on. Oh, my gosh. Wild man died two years ago. 29 and a half stone, 6 foot 2. Absolute massive man from multiple organs, fairly from all the drugs he'd done and how he'd hammered it over his lifetime. He died in prison? Died at his house. Oh, so he was out of prison? Yeah, out of prison by then. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Okay. I have to say, in the books, I read all three books. The paranoia you get from the drugs sounds miserable, man. That would feel like that would be enough for many people to quit.

28:44It's just got to feel the worst. Can you speak to that a little bit? Because it sounds so awful. Some of the things you sort of have these monologues where you're like, I thought this, and then I thought this, and then I thought this. And I'm thinking, that's no way to live, man. Good Lord. No matter how good that stuff makes you feel, that feeling would be awful. When you've been up for days, you start to hallucinate and have paranoid thoughts. Now, there was an occasion when Wildman came over one time. One of my bouncers was a guy called Rossetti from the Rossetti Brothers. And when I was telling Rossetti about all these Wildman stories before he came, Wildman, Rossetti thought I was full of it.

29:19And he said, when Wildman arrived, he just picked me up and threw me around like a rag doll. That's how strong he is. So me and Rossetti was in the front and Wildman was in the back. And Wildman's been up for days. And I'm looking at his eyes in the mirror and his eyes are just blood red. He's been smoking crack, smoking meth for days. His eyes are blood red. He's looking like the devil. But he's got this wicked stir on me, like a paranoid evil stir. And I'm looking back at him. I said, what's wrong, Peter? I know what you're up to. What's wrong, Peter? I know where you guys are taking me. Where are we taking you, Peter?

29:55You guys are taking me to the desert. And I'm thinking, if he thinks we're taking him to the desert, oh man he's about to snap our necks oh yeah so i did manage to talk him down what we would do usually is we'd dose him with xanax as fast as we could put it in something knock him out and he'd wake up and he'd be mentally adjusted but the paranoia does create intense situations and it was paranoia between wild man and my top sales guy skinner who was also smoking crack and embalming fluid sherm and doing all kinds of it's like pcp embalming fluid you get it on a stick okay and uh just embalming fluid like the stuff they use to embalm dead bodies he was smoking that yeah it's called a sherm stick oh my god yeah so those two guys skinner was like little brother and when wild man came over he was big brother skinner saw us spending more time with wild man and he he started to put the paranoia between the two of them skinner started to scheme against us and what happened was when wild man was in a deportation camp because he was deported multiple times for being a minister society well yeah when he was in a deportation camp skinner planned to firebomb wild woman's apartment so his girlfriend wife wild man's a tough liver puddleian girlfriend Some of the people in our community were more scared of her than him.

31:20She was a tiny blonde. The cops have got surveillance of her running down the street with a giant fan, trying to smash wild man's head in. With a giant fan? With a fan, like a big old fan on a stick. Like those big fans. Yeah, literally a fan. Yeah, one of those. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. Sid and Nancy over here. They were, yeah. The firebomb came through the window. Just missed her face. Set fire to some stuff. She's got something on her face. This is in the UK. Someone tried to kill her. No, no, this is all in Arizona. Oh, my gosh. Everything I'm talking about is in Arizona. Oh, my goodness. Okay, I'm just making sure.

31:53So she was over here, too. She was peddling ecstasy for me, and he was the enforcer, the chief enforcer. Right, okay. Yeah. So you've already gotten into selling ecstasy at raves and parties. Once Wildman came on his first trip, which ended with him completely homeless, living under a tree in Tempe Beach Park with a Rambo knife, a baseball bat, and a stripper who liked to have her private parts tased. Those two were like Bonnie and Clyde, just robbing clothes, eating meals, and going and not paying. The cops got him, and he got deported from being a menace to society. But through the connections he'd established in Tempe, Acid Joey, these mafia people, I went on to build the exasperated business from there.

32:33Wildman didn't come back then until another two years. So you're building up your drug-dealing business. Are you still a stockbroker at this point in time? No, I've quit my job, quit my house, quit my girlfriend, all at the same time, moved into a secure high-rise building in downtown Phoenix, and went full-time into the party scene. What is full-time in the party scene? What does that mean? Like you're going out every night, staying out all night and selling? Well, in the beginning, I was getting ecstasy from LA. I cultivated two to three suppliers. And pretty much exactly what you just said.

33:10I'm getting up, you know, very late in the day and I'm going out and doing the rounds. That sounds like it would be fun at first and then quickly become not fun at all. Well, it was fun for quite a while, actually. Well, maybe. But then it became intense paranoia and hell. Yeah. You can't get up off that slippery slope no matter how hard you try. Really? So you can't just sort of like get clean for a while and it's fine? If you watch any movie, like Below, there is a story arc. Yes. Where there's the glitz and the glamour and the fun and the females and the partying and everything else. Then there's the middle section where you're at your peak now, but the competition come in and the feds come in.

33:52And then there's the end section where everyone is so drug addicted and paranoid. And the cops have got all this case against you now. And the competition is trying to take you out or stamp you out or kidnap you, as in Sammy the Bull's son tried to kidnap me. Yeah, I want to hear about that. All these things going on. And then it ends in prison, death, nuthouse. You can't go back to the first chapters. Right, right. That's true. It's irreversible. So tell me about your competition then with Sammy the Bull's son. I had it locked down in Arizona of all the local people because when I would pull up on the south side outside some warehouse in my twin turbo spaceship RX-7 with both surround sound, Commander Tom, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

34:42The ravers would come to me and talk to me and they knew I had money and they'd ask me to invest in their projects and they nicknamed me the Bank of England. Now, these little cliques were competing against each other and when they had differences, we would have sit-downs and me and Wildman would adjudicate but through all this process, we incorporated all these people into the criminal enterprise. We had about 200 local people working for us. Oh, wow. That's pretty big. So, had the locals locked down, all of a sudden, this new kind of dealer appeared on the scene like a steroid head jock type guy with the leopard print polyester shirt and I'm thinking, who the hell are these guys?

35:22Where are they getting their pulls from? East Coast D-bags. Yeah. Sorry, Sammy. They had this other group called the Devil Dogs. These jocks who would beat people up and how like dogs as they beat people up. I think they were like a bit nationalistic. Sounds a little bit Nazi. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, who the hell are these guys? So at the time, I was onto my third wife. She was doing lesbian internet porn when I met her. She joined a strip club because she fancied one of the strippers and she seduced that woman. They were doing lesbian internet porn. And I'm thinking this is, you know, the ideal life.

35:55I'm a testosterone. This story goes from zero to 60 over and over and over and over again, just in case anybody out there has not noticed that. I'm this testosterone charged chap in his 20s, and I'm thinking this is the ideal life. Anyway, through one of my wife's, bisexual wife's, lesbian girlfriends, bisexual girlfriends, sorry. Let me rephrase this. We're going to have to mark this episode as explicit. I think that goes without saying. Some stuff, yeah, anyway. My bisexual life was having a lesbian relationship with a bisexual woman. The bisexual woman was having a hetero relationship with one of these new types of ecstasy dealers.

36:31I see. So through the women, they arranged a sit down at a bar called Heart 5 in Tucson for me to find out who these guys are. So I get the Rossetti brother as my bodyguard. I say, look, go in after me and my wife. if they try and kidnap me or take me out the back just open up on the mofos he's strapped to get a bit of bravery for this i do some meth chug some ghb my wife chugged away too much ghb and had to be carried out at the end but anyway we go into the bar there's this guy stocky guy and he's like yeah english charm you know come through to the vip room i go through the vip room there's loads of people in there there's this massive six and a half foot muscle bound blonde guy and he screams everyone's got the room and get up off the sofa so i'm thinking i've got to do something crazy here to try and make these guys think i'm a bit loco what can i do and i remembered my grandfather frederick who was rescued in the battle of tunisia by americans otherwise i wouldn't exist he was left dead wow when my grandfather frederick would walk past me in his house he would always grab me above the knee like that and make me jump yeah yeah so i'm sitting down with these two.

37:43I do that to my kid too. As I'm sitting down with these two meatheads, I grab their knees above the legs and try to make them jump. You just did that to these like strapped gangsters. Like, I'm just going to make your knee do that thing you do to like a five-year-old kid where they start laughing. That's, yeah, that's effective. So the guy who was nice to me, who had introduced himself already, he's like, English Sean, we know you're a big name from the Rafe. English Sean, that's your nickname on the scene? It was back then yeah we know you've got a lot going with the locals but why don't you start working with us and i say i'm getting beige presses from holland 100 or 125 milligrams of mdma and clay this is like high grade ecstasy yeah we send testing kits out there from a website called dance safe to make sure we're not getting any bunk stuff because that's how people die when there's bunk stuff in it and so i'm saying to these guys then your colored pills you know i've got a reputation to uphold i'm kind of dissing the pills yeah yeah like you guys sell trash i sell the good stuff that's why i don't work with you we have quality standards over here we got quality standards big guy jumps up off the sofa who the f do you think you are disrespecting our pills don't you know we work for won't call to sammy the bull and we can have you taken out to the desert right right so i don't know if he's just blowharding of course oh this is real sammy's retired by this point correct just out of prison sammy is in the mix what they were saying was correct okay point interesting yeah i'll get to that bit yeah sure so i say to them look it's not each other we need to be afraid of it's the feds since you guys have lit the scene up going around bragging that you're the biggest drug barons in the world there's undercover cars going through the car parks filming everybody's license plates there's undercovers coming into raves pretending need to be people from out of state who want to buy pills it's not each other we need to worry about it's the feds and we left it at that and on the way out you know we carry my wife out me and me and rosetti so she had done ghb is a drug for those of you don't who are not familiar it's like alcohol but you need a couple of capfuls and you're it's like you've had 20 drinks right is that accurate all right so ghb it used to be legal because it promoted muscle growth because you're going to such a deep sleep.

40:05Now, we were getting it from the muscle boys at the gay bar. It's hugely popular in the gay bar because it also relaxes the sphincter. Oh, God. You know a lot about this stuff.

40:19I was going to say I could use it for sleep, but now I find that it might have multiple benefits. Talking to the right guy. You take a capful and you're high for an hour or two. It's not a big commitment like meth or ecstasy or anything like that. And at the end of that hour or two, if you're coming down on it, you can have another cat full and you can just coast for the night. It relaxes you and it's good for other activities like, you know. Sleeping. He means sleeping. Sleeping. But we would club drug cocktail it with other substances and experiment and vary. And back then I was usually on ecstasy, meth, GHB, and sometimes ketamine.

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41:53Now back to Sean Atwood. okay so you're you're in with these heavy hitters now they you're on their radar surely you're on law enforcement radar maybe but probably right at some point well the heavy hitters i was in with was the new mexican mafia so when wild man was on his first visit he introduced me to some guys by now in rancho murrieta this apartment complex we've got one building an apartment is dealing another we're storing cash another we're after partying in we've got this structure to it that's building up what happened was we're partying in one of them and a cop walks in he goes i could smell weed from outside nobody move i'm talking to this ruggedly handsome mexican-american guy called g-dog who is dealing the white and the green and he just pulls out a cop to the gun and says the only one who's not leaving is you mofo everybody run i've never seen anything this heavy before in my life we all just run off into the night i go into another apartment where we got pills and stuff stashed and we're like what should we do should we flush our stuff should we flush our stuff next thing there's a knocking on the french window bang bang bang bang and it's g-dog he's like let me and he schooled us he says look they can't get a warrant just like that turn the lights off turn the tv off nobody answered the door everybody shut the f up and they did knock and then they went next door and we harbored him we hadn't flushed our stuff we still had our stuff there was one cop car by the end of the night it all calmed down they had helicopter out and everything Yeah, because the guy put a gun to a cop's head.

43:19Holy smokes. In the end, I said to him, look, you're so hot in this area. I've got a house in Phoenix. Let's go there and shoot pool and do lines. And that's what we did. At the end of the night, he said, look, Sean, because you and your friends had my back. Me and my brothers have got your back. I had no idea what he meant. A couple months later, he invites me over to his brother house. One of his brothers. He answers the door. Short guy, no her, looking at me with this mean face. He hears my English accent and he lightened up a bit. he's like damn you talk funny come in and meet my homies i go into the living room and there's like the biggest mexican-american guys i've ever seen they've got the little wife beater vests on shorts down below the knees tattooed out the chains looking at me like they want to eat me i'm you know crapping myself i'm looking around the room that's the biggest tv i've ever seen in my life they've got a tv watching the street i did a double take i'm like hold on a minute that's not an ornament on top of their tv they had a rocket propelled grenade launcher out of a rambo movie yeah yeah so these guys are like real mafios like mexican mafia i didn't know it until they got arrested a couple years later and they were headline news and there is the heads of the new mexican mafia the most powerful violent criminal organization i was done at the time they tried to assassinate the head of the department of corrections they'd assassinated witnesses trying to assassinate cops all this stuff there was another situation while i was a stockbroker relating to them so i get a call from one of my guys this is the apartment we hid at but g-dog knocked on the french window two guys in there one's called seph one's called fish seph's dead as well now he was one of my right hand guys big guy anyway fish calls me he's like look i need you to get wild man and seph and come over here fast we've got a situation so what's the situation i'd rather not say on the phone so i go looking for wild man and seph and they're collecting debts for the the colombian guy in phoenix so i can't find them it's like 30 minutes to an hour later by the time i get to tempe knock on the door fish answers the door of his girlfriend girlfriend's crying i think oh no someone's assaulted her or something and they want wild man and stuff to beat this guy up so what's the matter they can't talk too frightened to talk I hear this noise

45:34coming from the other room like what's that? You best go see walk into the living room there's a guy that's previously been introduced to me through wild man and the G-dog and them it's this older Mexican American guy with this silver stately swept back he stood with his back to the wall overseeing a bunch of Mexicans with cattle prods and on the floor is a man, naked hogtied man with a rockabilly quiff, who's gagged. And when the guy with the silver hair gives the instruction, they electrocute this guy. He rocks like a rocking horse. His eyes are almost popping out of his head and pee shoots out of his penis.

46:15I should not laugh, but that's a ridiculous visual. What did that guy do? Right, I'm thinking, I've never seen this, anything else I've seen before again. I'm not expecting you to say any of this. I'm terrified, right? Yeah. I look at the Silver Heard guy, and he's smiling at me with this welcome to the family grin. So I'm thinking, I've got to put a brave, a tough guy act on here. Yeah. And I've got to not show any fear. Are they going to think I'm a liability? Right, right. So I say to him, wow, looks like you guys have got this situation under control. Yeah, whatever situation there might have been.

46:52I will tell Wildman that he's not needed, but I got to get back to the office because I've come over in a hurry. And the Mexican guy just smile at me like, welcome to the family. Oh my God. So I walk out of that room towards the other room into the near where the door where Fish and his girlfriend were. I'm like, what has happened here? What they said was, as you know, I'm dealing ecstasy for you, but I'm also moving product for them. That guy is one of my customers. He watched the place. He thought I had gone, but I come back and I caught him in here. I called you. I called them. They got here first.

47:33So he was trying to rob the place? He was trying to rob my stuff and their stuff. Oh, he's going for the stash. The stash? Yeah. But they got there first. Oh, man. Now, I was worried on the way back to the office about the fate of that guy. But what eventually happened was they called his roommate and said to pay$10 ,000 or he was going to get taken out to the desert. And the$10 ,000 was paid. Wow. Yeah. Don't rob drug dealers. I mean, I guess that's some people do it and get away with it. Other people don't. Not if they're related to the Mexican mafias, no. It seems like you always have to be so vigilant because you got to make sure people don't think they can steal from you.

48:14Like you're like this friendly dude by nature, I assume. I mean, all my interactions, you're not the same guy you were, but my interactions with you are like, you're like a funny dude. I mean, people listening right now are laughing or horrified and have turned it off. But you've got to be like, if you mess with me, I'm going to have you killed, which is not maybe your default kind of personality. So how present is that concern in your mind that you've got to put on a front or you will be victimized? victimized. So when Wildman left, the two closest people he left me with were Acid Joey and G-Dog.

48:48Okay. And people knew G-Dog was with heavy hitters. And Acid Joey was quite, he was quite a big guy as well, because when I did set up my own security team, he became one of them. He was a very stocky Navajo guy, and he was brilliant at dancing considering his weight. He danced like in this fluid way in fact the first time i met him i think it was at a rave called chupa and i noticed a circle of people watching someone dance so incredibly and i thought i want whatever he's on to be able to dance like that with his body size and structure and i waited till he went outside and started talking to him and i said to him you're on the good stuff obviously where can i get that and uh and he started to hook me up locally oh interesting yeah is it not exhausting to be paranoid for good reason.

49:39Like someone's trying to rob my stash. This person might try to take my money. Can I trust these people? These people are dangerous and kill people, but I got to deal with them. And then you're doing drugs, but then you get paranoid and you're like, no, but it's really, my paranoia is real. But then I also have drug induced paranoia. And then you do some more drugs to get away from the paranoia. It seems like a self-reinforcing cycle, right? You're more paranoid, but the paranoid, you're also not delusional. Like you are in danger. They are trying to come out. And you surround yourself with equally paranoid people.

50:06who are all reinforcing each other's paranoid delusions. Yeah, that's tiring. So people are reporting things to you. A guy reported to me that someone walked past Wild Woman's apartment who looked suspicious, and I ignored it, thinking he was being paranoid, and she said it, and I thought she was being paranoid, and the next day she got SWAT team raided. So to be able to discern what's real and what's not real is really tricky. But during that two-year gap, Wild Mama's gone, I've got G-Dog with me, my main bodyguard. I built up a team of bouncers now who are armed and stuff. And when Sammy DeBall's people come into the scene, Wildman comes back over around that time.

50:47And people are terrified of him. He didn't have to go and beat them up. He would just move in with them. If you owed me enough money, I would have him move in with you. And if he moved in with you, all your furniture was getting taken out in front of your eyes and getting liquidated by the Mexican mafia. You got a crack dealer and a pimp in your kitchen cooking up crack you've got all the homeless people coming in all the gangbangers all the striptease girls and it's just 24 hour insanity everywhere he went that's so interesting so instead of being like i'm gonna break your legs you're like i'm gonna give you the roommate from hell yes and it's like here's your money get him out of here several houses were blown up set fire to not even on purpose no just for the sheer negligence yeah sheer mayhem oh my god like get this guy out of three days later here's the here's your money i sold a kidney get this guy the hell away from me everybody moved out of their own house after he was in yeah there was only one girl who stayed and she was a very tough girl who worked with me and she had him walking her dogs and was bossing him around she was yeah she was unique yeah new yorker towards the end of of your first book you have this sort of is it a reckoning you talk about how messed up your life is at this point this is party time you told me to read them in a specific time hard time Yeah.

52:02So this is, yeah. I don't know if this was your first book, but it's the one you told me to read first. So there's a time when you're, I think, in Mexico, or you've just gotten back from smuggling drugs from Mexico to the U.S. And all your friends are super strung out, super paranoid. And you sort of reflect on your life about how this was supposed to be like a temporary phase and how lost you are. Can you tell me about that period of your life? Yes. So there was all this mayhem with Sammy DeBall's crew, and then they got arrested. The New Mexico Mafia guys got arrested. I think I'm going to get arrested next.

52:38I meet this woman. She sees who I'm associated with, and she's like, these people are scary, Sean. Yeah. If you love me, you'll get out of that. And I stopped the importation. I was in college doing Spanish classes. Okay. I was going to the gym. I was doing kickboxing classes, trying to get into shape. And I was back trading the stock market. So you made a pretty decent recovery. We were planning to move to L.A. to get away from where we were so hot. Moving to L.A. to get away from drugs and partying is a questionable decision. Here's a sample of my interview with Amanda Knox, who was coerced into wrongfully confessing that she was at the scene of her roommate's grisly murder without being made aware of her rights or being given access to a lawyer.

53:25Here's a quick look inside. I was 20 years old. I was studying abroad in Italy. The day after Halloween, I came home to find a murder scene. The cops arrive. They break down my roommate's door and find her body there. And for the next five days, I was at the disposal and mercy of the police officers who, unbeknownst to me, had targeted me as a person of interest. My thought was to just take direction. I did what I was told. And what I was told was by the police to come in every day for questioning. and I sat for hours and hours and hours and hours. I often worried that maybe the reason that they were upset or short with me was because I just wasn't speaking Italian well enough.

54:22I thought that was the reason why they kept asking me questions over and over and over again. No matter how many ways I answered the same question, they never seemed happy with it. I just sort of submitted myself to what was ultimately a very coercive interrogation technique that culminated with an overnight interrogation and broke me. I was made to believe that the reason they were upset with me was because I didn't remember correctly. I realized that the truth didn't matter and that I couldn't count on the truth to save me. People believed it. I was convicted. I spent four years in prison. Amanda Knox joins us to discuss how she put her life back together and how she lives with the residue of tabloid infamy, even after being acquitted of this terrible crime.

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