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The Journal Podcast Episode Summary: "The Bank Collapse Behind Iran's Protests"
Episode Overview
- Title: The Bank Collapse Behind Iran's Protests
- Host: Jessica Mendoza
- Guest: Jared Malsin (Middle East Correspondent)
- Date: January 15, 2025
- Podcast Description: The Journal covers significant stories about money, business, and power.
Key Themes and Discussions
Context of Protests in Iran
- Revolutionary Situation: Iran is experiencing one of the most significant challenges to its regime since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
- Scale of Unrest: Protests have erupted across the country, resulting in severe government crackdowns with thousands reportedly killed.
- Underlying Causes: The unrest is driven not just by political dissatisfaction but predominantly by a financial crisis, particularly the collapse of a significant bank.
Financial Crisis Background
- Impact of U.S. Sanctions: The reinstatement of U.S. sanctions in 2018, under President Trump, led to financial isolation for Iran, crippling its banking system and economy.
- Cut off from international banking systems (e.g., SWIFT).
- Restricted oil trade and borrowing capabilities.
- Government Responses:
- Creation of workarounds to maintain economic flow, such as reliance on shadow fleets for oil export and using foreign banks for cash access.
- Increased government control over banks, leading to high-interest loans without collateral, raising inflation concerns.
The Collapse of Ayanda Bank
- Profile of Ayanda Bank: Founded in 2013 by Ali Ansari, closely tied to the regime, offering high-interest loans.
- Bank’s Mismanagement:
- Operated akin to a Ponzi scheme, funding real estate projects like the lavish Iran Mall.
- Eventually collapsed under financial strain, leaving a substantial debt burden on the government.
Economic Fallout
- Immediate Effects Post-Collapse:
- The Iranian currency, the rial, lost 84% of its value, exacerbating inflation and leading to price uncertainty in markets.
- The government announced major budget cuts and subsidy removals, directly affecting citizens' livelihoods (e.g., cuts to bread and gasoline subsidies).
Escalation of Protests
- Public Discontent:
- The austerity measures became the final straw for many, igniting widespread protests across various demographic segments, including traditionally conservative areas.
- Government Crackdown:
- A severe response from the government, with reports of numerous deaths and arrests amid a communications blackout to suppress information about the unrest.
Analyst Perspectives
- Inevitability of the Crisis: Discussion among analysts suggests that the Iranian government contributed to a perfect storm of economic mismanagement, isolation, and conflict.
- Public Sentiment: Citizens question governmental spending priorities while facing dire economic conditions.
Key Takeaways
- The protests in Iran reveal deep-seated issues stemming from financial mismanagement exacerbated by international sanctions.
- The collapse of Ayanda Bank serves as a symbol of broader economic instability and corruption within the financial system.
- The Iranian government's response to economic crises and public unrest could shape the future of its regime.
Further Listening
- "Iran Retaliates After U.S. Strike. How Could This End?"
- "Iran May Be Running Out of Options"
Concluding Thoughts The episode highlights the complex interplay between economics and governance in Iran, illustrating how financial crises can spark widespread social unrest and challenge established regimes. The situation remains fluid and unpredictable as the country grapples with its economic realities and public discontent.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Financial Roots of Unrest
0:45 to 2:19
Exploring the financial crisis that has contributed to recent protests in Iran.
“And you're seeing a very real risk that the regime could fall out of power.”
Impact of U.S. Sanctions on Iran
2:19 to 4:13
Discussing how U.S. sanctions have affected Iran's economy and banking system.
“Iran's current financial crisis has its roots in 2018, during President Trump's first term.”
The Collapse of Ayanda Bank
4:13 to 7:09
Detailing the rise and fall of Ayanda Bank and its implications for Iran's economy.
“In the years that followed, the Iranian government came up with workarounds to try to keep its economy afloat.”
Consequences of the Currency Crisis
7:09 to 9:55
Analyzing the effects of a currency crisis on the Iranian people and economy.
“So by investing in the Iran mall, Ansari's bank was effectively lending money to his own company, money that came from the Iranian government.”
Government Responses and Austerity Measures
9:55 to 12:09
Examining the Iranian government's response to economic challenges and protests.
“The currency crisis put a target on Ayanda Bank.”
Escalation of Protests and Crackdown
12:09 to 14:03
Describing the escalation of protests and the government's violent crackdown.
“that was essentially going to remove subsidies on bread, for example, on gasoline.”
Iran Protests and Government Crackdown
14:03 to 15:39
Learn about the protests in Mashhad and the Iranian government's severe response.
“which shows that some of the core constituents that would normally support the system as a whole support the Islamic Republic, that those people are protesting.”
Isolation and Financial Crisis
15:39 to 16:32
Explore how financial isolation contributed to Iran's current crisis and protests.
“For days, President Trump has threatened to take action against Iran if it killed protesters.”
Consequences of Economic Collapse
16:32 to 17:15
Understand the implications of Iran's economic collapse on its citizens and stability.
“where you have this underlying banking crisis and a weak financial system, a war with a more powerful neighbor.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:12Iran is facing a kind of revolutionary situation. This is the most significant challenge that the regime in Iran has faced since it came into existence after its last revolution in 1979. Our colleague Jared Mousen covers the Middle East, and he's been following the unrest in Iran for the past two weeks. There have been enormous protests throughout the country, and there's been a very severe crackdown in which hundreds, if not thousands, of people appear to have been killed in the last few days. And you're seeing a very real risk that the regime could fall out of power. And everyone is holding their breath to see what's going to happen next.
1:12Unlike other flashpoints in the country's history, the biggest factor in the unraveling situation in Iran today isn't political instability or demands for more personal freedom. Instead, the unrest stems mainly from a major financial crisis. Iran has obviously been under international U.S.-led sanctions for many years, which means its economy is under severe strain. that totally isolates Iran, cuts off the banking system from the rest of the world, and has put it in this very unstable situation to begin with. And the first sign that Iran had reached a turning point was the failure of a bank. One of the largest banks in Iran collapsed.
1:57And that was a warning sign that the entire financial system was in crisis.
2:05Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Thursday, January 15th.
2:18Coming up on the show, how the collapse of a bank sent Iran into a tailspin.
2:38Iran's current financial crisis has its roots in 2018, during President Trump's first term. I am announcing today that the United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal. The Iran nuclear deal, brokered by the Obama administration, was meant to curb the country's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. Trump reversed course and took a hard line against Iran. We will be instituting the highest level of economic sanction. Any nation that helps Iran in its quest for nuclear weapons could also be strongly sanctioned by the United States. — That cut off Iran from the world financial system and made it this kind of closed system, almost, where it was very, very isolated, and it put its financial system under a lot of strain.
3:40— The renewed sanctions meant that Iran's banks couldn't do business with the outside world. — For example, it is cut off from the SWIFT payment system. The central bank is under sanctions. Several other Iranian banks are under sanctions. So this is a country that cannot borrow internationally. It cannot do trade normally. It cannot sell its oil freely. And it is deeply, deeply isolated. To put it simply, money stopped flowing into Iran's banks.
4:18In the years that followed, the Iranian government came up with workarounds to try to keep its economy afloat. For example, Iran's oil industry has had to increasingly rely on a so-called shadow fleet of tankers to export oil abroad. That kept some money flowing to the state's coffers. Iran also used a workaround for its banks, turning to banks in Iraq for access to cash. But that practice became a lot tougher after a U.S. crackdown in 2023. These pressures forced Iranian banks to rely more on its own government. And that created a situation where you have the central bank propping up this entire system.
4:59Something like 70 percent of Iran's banks were government-controlled to some degree. That's according to an analysis by a former IMF official that I spoke to by 2019, which is when things started to come apart at the seams. Iran's central bank used an emergency loan program to support the country's banking system. The loans charged high interest rates but didn't require banks to provide any collateral. In order to fund these loans, Iran's central bank printed money, which raised concerns about inflation and the weakening of Iran's currency, the rial. And the lender that became an emblem of this risky system was called Allende Bank.
5:44Right, so Allende Bank is a microcosm of these compound economic problems. It is a bank that was formed in 2013 by a guy named Ali Ansari, who is from what's believed to be one of Iran's richest families. He's close to the conservative establishment. And he founded this bank that offered the highest interest rates on the market. And it was also heavily dependent on the central bank. So Allende borrows all this money from the central bank. What does it do with it? Well, what the bank was doing is that it was basically acting as a kind of piggy bank for these lavish real estate projects, especially malls.
6:33Malls like shopping malls? That's right. In particular, this one huge mall called the Iran Mall, which is in northwest Tehran and is believed to be one of the largest shopping complexes in the world. It has a hall of mirrors that is modeled after a Persian imperial palace. It has a car showroom. It has movie theaters. It has a library. You know, so it has like, you know, sports complexes. It's sort of like a city within a city.
7:05But here's the thing. The Iran Mall was built by the same guy who founded Ayanda Bank, Ali Ansari. So by investing in the Iran mall, Ansari's bank was effectively lending money to his own company, money that came from the Iranian government. You have this bank that's acting almost like a slush fund to fund this kind of garish shopping center that was a symbol of how these regime-connected elites are just moving this money around to enrich themselves. What one of the senior officials at the Iranian Central Bank said last year is that Ayanda Bank was operating a Ponzi scheme. That is to say they were loaning out more money than they could possibly repay.
7:54And that's what you have in a Ponzi scheme, where you have a bank that is giving out loans that it cannot repay, essentially, and playing a shell game by moving that money around. The whole system started to unravel last year, when Iran was hit with another major crisis. We start with the breaking news at this hour, as Israel has carried out strikes on Iran's nuclear program. Last June, Israel bombed military facilities in Iran and kicked off a 12-day war. Iranian missiles targeted multiple cities in Israel overnight, with Batyam hit the hardest. Last night, a fleet of American warplanes flew halfway around the world and dropped more than a dozen 30 ,000-pound bombs on Iran's main nuclear facilities.
8:46While the conflict was short-lived, it was a huge blow to Iran's economy. The Iranian government had to increase its military spending to rebuild destroyed air defenses and stock up on missiles, which added to the strain on the country's funds. And the war also had an impact on Iranians themselves. It made them really anxious. Anxious that there could be more attacks and that the economy would tank. Money was leaving the country, and Iranians themselves were taking their money out of the national currency, the rial. They're dumping the rial, they're putting it in gold, in dollars, in euros. One economist that I spoke to estimated that between$10 and$20 billion in capital flight took place last year.
9:35And it triggered this currency crisis. The real fell roughly 84 % over the course of the year. So it just heaped more pressure on a system that was already under a lot of stress.
9:55The currency crisis put a target on Ayanda Bank. Some politicians worried for years that Iran's central bank was printing too much money to support Ayanda, at a time when inflation was soaring. Now, they wanted it closed. In October, the central bank announced that Ayanda would be shut down. In a statement, Ayanda Bank's founder Ali Ansari blamed the bank's failure on, quote, decisions and policies made beyond the bank's control. Days after the collapse, the United Kingdom sanctioned Ansari, calling him a, quote, corrupt Iranian banker and businessman.
10:37Ayanda Bank had reached its end. But for the Iranian government, the crisis was just beginning. That's next.
11:03After the collapse of Ayanda at the end of 2025, how bad was the Iranian economy? What did it look like for everyday Iranians? It was bad. But, you know, when you have a currency that loses 84 % of its value in one year, your ability to go buy groceries is going to collapse. I mean, one example that someone gave me is that the restaurants and shops, people had no idea how to put prices on their menus. Because when you have a currency that's declining every single day and every single hour, people don't even know how much to charge for things. Like, it's cheaper not to even open your shop if you're just going to lose money on, you know, on the energy and on the stocking your shelves and so on.
11:51The collapse of Ayanda Bank made things even worse. The bank left behind a massive pile of debt that became the responsibility of the Iranian government, which was already strapped for cash. In December, the government announced that it would be making serious budget cuts. — The government, led by President Pazashkian, introduced this budget at the end of December that was essentially going to remove subsidies on bread, for example, on gasoline. And it pointed to the fact that the government was out of money. When you're talking about cuts on subsidies to bread and gasoline, like, those are things that are going to really hit ordinary people hard.
12:36These proposed austerity measures added up to a$10 billion cut in subsidies.
12:45For many Iranians, this was the last straw.
12:55That was really the immediate trigger of these protests. Because the government had to come out and say in numbers, OK, we have to cut back. We have no other choice. Hundreds of merchants, who don't typically join mass protests, took to the streets of Tehran.
13:14In an effort to mollify protesters, the government introduced a monthly cash subsidy of 10 million rials per person. That's the equivalent of about seven U.S. dollars. But it's sort of too little, too late. that are trying to fight a fire that has already consumed them.
13:38Can you talk about the scale of these protests, how they grew in the past few weeks? Right. So they have spiraled to pull in a wide cross-section of Iranian society. You had protests in cities across the periphery in all kinds of regions, in Balochistan and the Kurdish areas, in Tehran itself. Very importantly, these protests in the city of Mashhad, which is more religious, more conservative, which shows that some of the core constituents that would normally support the system as a whole support the Islamic Republic, that those people are protesting. That is why it is a situation that is challenging the system as a whole.
14:24And how has the Iranian government responded? They have also launched a crackdown. There's been this very deadly, very concerning crackdown on protesters where you've had hundreds, if not thousands, of people killed. And you've seen the videos circulating that we've reported also of the bodies piling up in morgues. And that's what our newsroom is focused on now, is trying to figure out how many people were killed, how many people died. Human rights activists in Iran, a watchdog group, said it confirmed the deaths of more than 2 ,600 people and more than 18 ,000 arrests. Officials in the region have said they'd seen a drop in protest activity recently, and residents reported an eerie quiet after days of violence.
15:15But it's hard to tell exactly what's happening, because the Iran government has imposed a near-total communications blackout. There's virtually no internet access in the country at all. We're going to get the story out eventually, and we're going to find out just how many people are dead in what looks to be one of the worst, most lethal acts of political mass killing in recent years. For days, President Trump has threatened to take action against Iran if it killed protesters. On Wednesday, he said that Iran had stopped killing people.
15:51You mentioned several times that a lot of what happened in the last year and what led ultimately to what's going on now and what happened in December, it's a story of what happens when a country is totally isolated, especially financially. Was this inevitable? Was there anything the Iranian government could have done to prevent this from happening? That's a great question. I think, you know, what a lot of analysts have said is that Iran's government drove itself into a perfect storm of factors that caused this crisis, where you have this underlying banking crisis and a weak financial system, a war with a more powerful neighbor.
16:42And then a lot of Iranians are looking at this situation saying, okay, what was all this money spent on? Like, what was the point of all this? And meanwhile, right, they can't afford bread. Yeah, exactly. And then, you know, it's just part of how a country like this stays afloat is ordinary people participate in the economy. You know, like you go to work every day, you go to school, you open your shop. And if you can't do that anymore, that's when that starts to come apart at the seams.
17:14What comes next is completely uncertain and unpredictable.
17:34That's all for today, Thursday, January 15th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode from David S. Cloud and Benoit Falcone.
17:48Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
From the publisher
For the past two weeks, Iran has been consumed by protests that have resulted in a heavy government crackdown with deaths estimated in the thousands. But the prelude to the unrest wasn’t just political. It stemmed from a deep financial crisis, and specifically, as WSJ’s Jared Malsin explains, the collapse of an obscure and indebted bank. Jessica Mendoza hosts.
Further Listening:
- Iran Retaliates After U.S. Strike. How Could This End?
- Iran May Be Running Out of Options
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