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Podcast Summary: The Journal - The Escalating Crisis at the Strait of Hormuz
Episode Details
- Title: The Escalating Crisis at the Strait of Hormuz
- Description: The shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz has triggered a global economic disruption and created a major military and political challenge for the Trump Administration.
- Hosts: Ryan Knutson and Jessica Mendoza
- Producer: Spotify and The Wall Street Journal
- Air Date: March 12, 2020
Key Themes and Discussions
Overview of the Crisis
- Current Situation: Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping route that handles about 20% of the world's oil.
- Economic Impact: The closure has led to oil prices exceeding $100 a barrel, affecting global markets and potentially causing widespread economic disruption.
Iran's Strategy and Military Capabilities
- Reasons for Closing the Strait:
- Iran, feeling militarily weaker against the U.S. and Israel, aims to impose economic costs on its adversaries by threatening oil shipping.
- Military Threats:
- Iran has indicated that it will strike any vessels attempting to transit the strait, using drones and naval mines as means of attack.
- The use of cheaper, nimble military technology by Iran to create significant threats to shipping is highlighted.
Challenges to Reopening the Strait
- Safety Concerns:
- Current active conflict and threats from Iran make the strait unsafe for commercial shipping.
- The U.S. Navy's potential involvement in escorting vessels is deemed too dangerous and logistically difficult at the moment.
Alternatives and Consequences
- Limited Solutions:
- While there are two alternative pipelines (East-West pipeline in Saudi Arabia and another in UAE), they cannot fully compensate for the loss of the Strait of Hormuz.
- Global Economic Ramifications:
- Prolonged closure could lead to catastrophic consequences for the oil market, affecting prices, inflation, and the livelihoods of many, especially in energy-dependent regions.
Industry Perspectives
- Concerns from Oil Executives:
- Executives from major oil companies express fears regarding the long-term impacts of the strait's closure and the urgency of finding solutions.
Future Outlook
- Ongoing Conflict:
- No current negotiations are taking place to resolve the crisis, and both Iran and Israeli forces seem committed to continuing hostilities.
- Potential for Escalation:
- Reopening the strait might require significant military operations, raising concerns about broader conflict in the region.
Conclusion
- Wider Implications: The episode emphasizes that the ongoing crisis in the Strait of Hormuz not only affects oil prices but also has far-reaching implications for global economies and geopolitical stability.
Additional Resources
- Further Listening:
- Will Gas Prices Go Up Because of the Iran War?
- The Global Scramble for Patriot Missiles
Notes
- The episode is an insightful exploration of the intersection between military conflict and global economics, showcasing how localized conflicts can have extensive worldwide repercussions. The detailed discussions on the capabilities of Iran, the U.S. response, and the logistical challenges of ensuring safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz provide a comprehensive look into the crisis's complexity.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIran's Threats and the Strait of Hormuz
0:00 to 2:22
Learn about Iran's latest threats regarding the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and its implications for global oil supply.
“Iran's new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mataba-Hemeni, has issued his first statement.”
Obstacles for Shipping Through the Strait
3:51 to 7:48
Explore the dangers and challenges commercial shipping faces in the Strait of Hormuz amid rising tensions.
“So the Strait of Hormuz is a narrow body of water between 20 and 25 miles across.”
Potential Consequences of Oil Market Disruption
7:48 to 10:34
Understand the economic impact of a potential prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz on global oil markets.
“It only takes one of those images to cause panic and anxiety in the oil markets and to scare away shipping lines, oil companies and governments in the region from even attempting to send oil through the strait.”
Alternative Routes and Oil Supply Solutions
12:39 to 14:03
Discover alternative pipelines and strategies for oil distribution amid the crisis in the Strait of Hormuz.
“If oil can't get out through the Strait of Hormuz, it creates huge problems not just for countries looking to buy that oil, but also for oil producers in the region.”
Oil Market Dynamics Amid Crisis
14:03 to 14:58
Learn about the impact of the Gulf crisis on global oil prices and reserves.
“As of today, the price of oil is hovering around$100 a barrel, and oil futures are above$100.”
Consequences of the Oil Shock
15:04 to 16:28
Explore the broader implications of the oil disruption on everyday consumers and agriculture.
“So you're seeing that in spite of these emergency measures, prices are surging.”
Challenges in Conflict Resolution
16:35 to 18:21
Understand the complexities surrounding potential resolutions to the ongoing conflict.
“And that's something that we saw with the aftermath of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.”
Escalating Oil Market Catastrophe
18:25 to 19:36
Get insights into how the ongoing crisis is affecting global oil markets.
“That would mark a dramatic escalation to the conflict.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04Jared Malsin:Breaking news now in the war with Iran. Iran's new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mataba-Hemeni, has issued his first statement. Today, Iran released a statement that it said was from its new supreme leader, saying that the Strait of Hormuz must remain closed. So a defiant statement there read out by a TV presenter, because as you mentioned, of course, we still have not seen him. The message marks 10 days since Iran threatened to attack any ship trying to cross the strait, which is a critical shipping route for oil internationally.
0:36Jessica Mendoza:This is the largest oil supply disruption in history, meaning it is causing a global economic disruption that will likely be felt for some time.
0:48Jared Malsin:Our colleague Jared Melson is a Middle East correspondent for The Wall Street Journal.
0:53Jessica Mendoza:The Strait of Hormuz usually handles about one fifth of the world's oil. That has contributed to a surge in oil prices worldwide, which pushed past$100 a barrel this week. And that's going to have all kinds of knock-on effects in terms of the price of gas in the U.S. and all over the world. So there are all kinds of second and third order economic effects that are going to happen as a result of this.
1:20Jared Malsin:So incredibly far-reaching consequences, all focused on this one kind of body of water.
1:26Jessica Mendoza:Exactly.
1:29Jared Malsin:Why is Iran doing this? Why is it so focused on the Strait of Hormuz?
1:34Jessica Mendoza:So Iran is doing this because it cannot defend itself in a conventional sense against the Israeli and U.S. attack that is going on right now. They are by far the militarily weaker party in this conflict. And so what they're doing instead is, in retaliation for the U.S. and Israeli bombing campaign, they are trying to impose economic costs on the U.S., on the West in general, and on the world at large.
2:02Jared Malsin:Is there any sign that the Strait is going to be safe for passage anytime soon?
2:07Jessica Mendoza:In a word, no. What we're reporting is that the United States and its partners have no viable way of reopening the Strait of Hormuz while there is an active conflict going on.
2:21Jared Malsin:Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Thursday, March 12th.
2:34Jared Malsin:Coming up on the show, why it's so hard to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
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3:51Jared Malsin:If you're trying to get through the Strait of Hormuz today, what obstacles would you be facing?
3:57Jessica Mendoza:So the Strait of Hormuz is a narrow body of water between 20 and 25 miles across. And the Iranians have explicitly said that any ships going through there could be struck with drone and missile strikes. And what we've seen is the Iranians attack a series of ships. Iran attacking the flow of Mideast oil. At least six ships targeted in the last 24 hours. There were a couple more today in the last 24 hours near Iraq, where you have these very dramatic images of ships at sea on fire. A Thai cargo ship attacked, three crew missing. one of three vessels struck trying to enter the Strait of Hormuz. And so the Iranians have already struck a series of commercial ships, and they are signaling that anyone who tries to run the strait will be attacked.
4:49Jessica Mendoza:Iran pledged it won't hold back. We will never allow even a single liter of oil to pass through the Strait of Hormuz for the benefit of the United States, the Zionists, or their partners.
5:05Jared Malsin:And Iran has a number of weapons it can use against vessels trying to cross the strait. Among them, drones.
5:12Jessica Mendoza:They've used very effectively these one-way attack drones. One of those drones is called the Shahid. It's sort of world-famous now because they exported them to Russia, who used them very effectively. In the war in Ukraine, sending these kind of swarms of drones that are very hard to defend against. They fly at a low altitude, and in general, these pose a threat to civilian shipping. It's just very hard to defend against them. And for civilian oil tankers, they're civilian ships. They're commercial ships that are not set up to defend themselves.
5:47Jared Malsin:Another deadly weapon Iran could use are naval mines, mines deployed under the water, which Iran is saying they're planting in the Strait of Hormuz.
5:56Jessica Mendoza:They have a huge stockpile of them, according to military analysts, and they're obviously hard to detect. They're objects that lurk under the water there, and as a result, de facto, it would pose a huge threat to shipping if the Iranians deploy even a small number of them. It would only take one mine hitting one ship for that to cause a huge disaster, both environmentally, economically, and otherwise.
6:25Jared Malsin:The White House has said that the U.S. has destroyed many ships in Iran's Navy already. Does the country have other vessels that the U.S. hasn't yet destroyed?
6:34Jessica Mendoza:That's right. So the Americans have obviously gone on the offensive against the Iranian Navy, sinking something like 60 of their ships. What we understand is that those are mostly the larger ships in the Navy, and it doesn't include this so-called mosquito fleet of smaller, fast attack ships that the Iranians have.
6:55Jared Malsin:Mosquito fleets, drones, close-range missiles. While they're not as sophisticated as what the U.S. has in its arsenal, they're all nimble technologies that can have an outsized impact.
7:06Jessica Mendoza:It's part of this question of the, like, sort of asymmetric economics of this war, where the Iranians can use these smaller, cheaper weapons to cause a lot of damage. And their whole strategy is predicated on this idea of imposing costs on the other side. The aerial drones cost somewhere in the range of tens of thousands of dollars. The Trump administration is using multi-million dollar air defenses in some cases to shoot them down or try to shoot them down. Same with these small boats. It only takes one to blow up an oil tanker. You can see these images of ships on fire in the Persian Gulf right now as we speak.
7:48Jessica Mendoza:It only takes one of those images to cause panic and anxiety in the oil markets and to scare away shipping lines, oil companies and governments in the region from even attempting to send oil through the strait.
8:04Jared Malsin:One potential answer is sending the U.S. Navy to escort ships as they cross the strait. That's something President Trump has brought up as recently as Monday. But when the time comes, the U.S. Navy and its partners will escort tankers through the strait if needed. But it hasn't happened yet.
8:21Jessica Mendoza:What we understand from our reporting is that the military and the Department of Defense are not planning to do it right now as long as there's an active conflict going on. What we've been hearing from our sources is that it's just too dangerous. sending the U.S. Navy or an allied Navy to escort these ships would be putting them in harm's way. And it would just be very, very difficult to keep these convoys of ships safe. Right now, the U.S. Navy has a lot of its ships and other assets tied up in those strikes. It would have to divert some of those ships for this purpose. And what we understand from defense officials and analysts is that it might even take multiple military ships for each civilian ship just to keep them safe.
9:10Jessica Mendoza:They would have potentially seconds to respond to incoming fire from Iran, which is why they're just not going to try it right now.
9:17Jared Malsin:So if U.S. Navy escorts aren't a feasible option right now, what others are there for ships that need to cross while the war is ongoing?
9:26Jessica Mendoza:There's a few daredevil shippers where they're willing to adopt the risk and try to run through the strait. But for the most part, they're just sitting it out. What we have heard from everyone who is following this situation, oil analysts, shipping industry people, military analysts, is that there's really only two options. It's either these military convoys or a ceasefire. And for a full resumption of normal traffic, meaning more than 100 ships a crossing through the strait, you would need a cessation of hostilities along with an explicit sort of guarantee from the Iranians that they're not going to shoot at these ships because it's just too risky.
10:08Jessica Mendoza:There's lives at stake. There's real money at stake. And for these shipping companies and oil companies, they're just not going to risk it.
10:17Jared Malsin:Yesterday, Trump said that ships should use the strait. He also said that the strait is in, quote, great shape. Meanwhile, with about a thousand commercial ships and oil tankers trapped in the Persian Gulf, there's growing pressure on oil and energy markets. And many countries are desperate for a solution. What have you heard from talking to oil executives, specifically from Persian Gulf nations? What is their biggest fear right now?
10:44Jessica Mendoza:The chief executive of Saudi Aramco, that's the Saudi state oil company and one of the largest companies, period, in the world, said that a prolonged closure of the Strait Reform Moos would cause catastrophic consequences for the world's oil markets and severely disrupt the world's economy.
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12:47Jared Malsin:If oil can't get out through the Strait of Hormuz, it creates huge problems not just for countries looking to buy that oil, but also for oil producers in the region.
12:56Jessica Mendoza:So for countries in the Persian Gulf, there is a sort of deadline on this where they have to get a lot of this oil out or else they are going to have to continue to cut production. A lot of these countries, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they've already cut production. But there's a race to get the oil out before storage fills up. And what we understand is that Saudi Arabia, for example, has about two weeks before it'll run out of storage. You just have to imagine, you know, just like a huge hose. And if you step on the hose, there's going to be a buildup behind that. So that's the dynamic right now.
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13:35Jared Malsin:Is there any other way to get oil out of the Gulf right now?
13:38Jessica Mendoza:So aside from the Strait of Hormuz, there are two pipelines that can get Gulf oil to market. One is the East-West pipeline in Saudi Arabia that goes to the port of Yanbu on the Red Sea. And there's another smaller pipeline in the United Arab Emirates that goes to the port of Fujairah that's on the Arabian Sea. So these two pipelines can relieve some of the pressure, but it is not a total workaround.
14:10Jared Malsin:As of today, the price of oil is hovering around$100 a barrel, and oil futures are above$100. To try to make up for the oil that's stuck in the Gulf, the International Energy Agency said yesterday that it would tap into a global reserve.
14:27Jessica Mendoza:This is a release of this strategic reserve that the International Energy Agency has. So this is a group of nations that together control this reserve. They are releasing 400 million barrels of oil. And that is more than double the largest use of the reserve, which was in 2022 after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
14:53Jared Malsin:But it still doesn't seem like it's enough to quell market fears, as you were saying.
14:58Jessica Mendoza:No, and we're seeing that today with the price of oil still rising in spite of that announcement. So you're seeing that in spite of these emergency measures, prices are surging. Because there's just no way around the fact that the Persian Gulf is critical to the world's supply.
15:20Jared Malsin:On Fox News, U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright said that this strategic release of oil should cover the global markets for about four months. How long will that last us? And what is your prediction about when this Gulf traffic will resume? Well, the releases, certainly out of the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve, they'll go over about four months. But this conflict, I don't think goes that long. I think we will have the Straits of Hormuz open well before then. Regardless, this oil shock could have consequences for everyday consumers well into the future.
15:59Jessica Mendoza:The problem is that everyone in general is going to have to pay more for, if you're going on vacation this summer, your plane tickets are going to be more expensive, filling up your gas tank, et cetera. So the cost of food, everything. You know, the World Food Program put something out where they were talking about because the supply of fertilizer is going to be cut, that means that farmers in general will use less fertilizer, which means reduced crop yields, which means more expensive food. It means people going hungry. Like the second and third order effects of this are enormous and far reaching.
16:35Jessica Mendoza:And that's something that we saw with the aftermath of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And we're seeing an even larger disruption now as a result of this conflict.
16:44Jared Malsin:And traffic on the strait could take a long time to recover, even after the conflict ends. Ship owners have to feel that their crews and cargo are truly safe. One analyst Jared spoke to noted that even six months after the Houthis stopped their attacks on the Red Sea, traffic there still hasn't normalized. Taking a step back, Jared, what are the chances of this conflict ending soon? Is there any chance for negotiations?
17:10Jessica Mendoza:Right now, there are no direct negotiations happening. There are third parties. The Gulf states themselves have tried behind the scenes to try to defuse this crisis. That's something they've really consistently been trying to do since before the fighting started. But at the moment, it doesn't look like there's any hope of that. For one thing, the U.S. has sent mixed signals about how long this is going to continue.
17:40Jared Malsin:And while stopping the fighting could soothe global markets in the near term, there might be some far-reaching political consequences. Notably, a hostile regime in Iran could create security issues for U.S. allies in the region, possibly paving the way for another devastating war. There's also no indication that ending hostilities is going to be simple. Jared says the Israeli government has signaled that it wants to continue fighting. And then the Iranians themselves have a lot of incentive to continue using the leverage they have over oil markets in order to try to get an outcome that's more favorable to them and just to prove that they can outlast the
18:19Jessica Mendoza:Americans and the Israelis.
18:20Jared Malsin:Which means that reopening the Strait of Hormuz may require a ground operation to seize the Iranian coastline, according to Wall Street Journal reporting. That would mark a dramatic escalation to the conflict.
18:34Jared Malsin:If this keeps going, how catastrophic could this really be for the world's oil markets? Would you be able to paint a picture?
18:44Jessica Mendoza:I think we're seeing that catastrophe unfold right now. You know, the markets were initially slow to price in a prolonged disruption to the Stradivismus. And I think that right now the world is waking up to that to some degree. And the Trump administration has sort of seesawed in terms of how they say the war is going to unfold. Some of that messaging is likely geared towards calming the oil markets. What our reporting shows is that there's just no quick and easy way to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. And without doing that, there is no way to ease the main pressure on the market right now. It's not controversial to say that this is already a global economic disruption, and it's not going to be resolved anytime soon.
19:55Jared Malsin:That's all for today, Thursday, March 12th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Rebecca Fung, Shelby Holliday, Summer Saeed, Yaroslav Trofimov, and Joe Wallace. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow. The Future of Everything is The Wall Street Journal's flagship live event. returning to New York City May 4th through 5th. Be there as CEOs, policymakers, and innovators sit down with our journalists to answer the most pressing questions of the day. From finance, tech, and economic policy to sports, streaming, and style, we're bringing together today's most compelling newsmakers for two days of conversations on what's ahead.
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The shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz has triggered a global economic disruption and created a major military and political challenge for the Trump Administration. WSJ's Jared Malsin explores the militarization of the strait, the options for its reopening and the risks of a prolonged closure of the world’s most important energy-transport route. Jessica Mendoza hosts.
Further Listening:
- Will Gas Prices Go Up Because of the Iran War?
- The Global Scramble for Patriot Missiles
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