David Gandy: How to Collect Classic Cars Properly

26:40I just switched it off. I said, well, you can come and get me. And that's what they had to do. It is a mega unhelpful thing to have pointed out that, the fact that, I think that putting that in your head was probably unhelpful, but I'm glad you managed to overcome it. What I like about Goodwood is the racetrack that it's on. It used to be RAF West Hamlet. And the reason the track is there, because what RAF fields in the war used to have was planes all spread out. They weren't all kind of packed together like they are today, because if there was a raid and it was bombed, they were spread out. So often, lots of planes would survive and one would be hit.

27:16And so when the ding-ding-ding-ding alarm went off and the pilots had to scramble, they would jump in cars and be driven all around track to get to all their planes. And all the pilots there realized this was a really fun track and could make for a really good racetrack. So they would meet after the war and race around it. And it was then the Duke of Richmond who initially was like, excuse me, you know, get off my land, in that accent. And he saw him, he sort of liked the spirit of it, and so began hosting races there. And that's where the origins come from, and I really love that. Just when you thought you were listening to the only podcast in the world without a NordVPN advertisement, think again.

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29:52You've got enough on your hands. It was the Jaguar, wasn't it? It's the most amazing looking car. Well, I started off... Sorry to interrupt. I started off... I always wanted a... I loved Mercedes Goldwing. It stupidly was offered one many, many, many, many years ago. I still remember the price. he was asking 295 ,000 for it, and I didn't have anywhere near that sort of money. That car today would probably be about 1.2, 1.3. And I knew it was stupid at the time, so actually, people should invest in this. And that's why I was kind of realizing I had a bit of an attack for realizing cars that will be increasing in value, because I can see the rarity and I knew the history of them.

30:37I couldn't afford a Goldwing, so I got a... On the same line as the Goldwing in the 60s was the 190 SL beautiful car. So I had that fully restored, nut and bolt. I had the luggage set. The luggage set was a six-piece luggage set, specially made out of the same leather that you chose as an option, so I had that made. Can I just ask about the decision-making process of something like that? Because people would argue that original parts make for a better classic car. And at the same time, others might argue that restoring it to its former glory, using as close to the same materials as would have been used initially, and all these sorts of things, is as noble a pursuit as kind of leaving it.

31:30Because at some point, patina is just basically rust, right? So, you know, there is a point at which you can't keep it up. I mean, the same with restoring watches. You will, but you will, if your car is being judged, if something is totally original, untouched, unrestored, you will gain points and respect for that car not being touched. So you could have a car that has had a£2 million rebuild, as you said, parts being sourced from all around the world, re-chromed, you know, or people building machines to mill the metal in the same way it was done. Yeah. Jaguar Classics do that very well. And it's better, you know, what exactly, as it would have come from that showroom.

32:18Aston Martin Classics. I drove the DB5 and that was quite something. I don't fit in that car. No. I'm not. I don't fit in classic cars. No. It's totally ridiculous. I have to drive a JQE time my feet like this. It was jolly fun. But the only problem was, they're quite near Milton Keynes. And a lot of people, well, they won't care, but they won't know that Milton Keynes is basically one roundabout after another. So when you're really big for a car like that, having to stop every 50 meters to go around another roundabout and change gears and sort of... It was a really interesting drive. But the effort they went into to sort of remake this.

33:01I mean, and also it had all the gadgets in there. The Bond ones? It had all the Bond gadgets. So it had the spraying oil, it had the changing license plate, it had the machine guns that I'm afraid just made a noise. Did it have the ejector seat flip? Yes, it did. Yes. And so they totally remade it. It was an expensive thing to want to buy. Oh, yeah. But really fun. But as you say, because it was clearly a new car, there's a sort of... I think it's not a moral issue. I think there's a spiritual aspect that goes missing. So the way I did the 19TSL is the tangible, what I thought, historical parts of what people have used to steer, to change gear, I didn't change.

34:02Everything else was restored. The steering wheel, the gear knob, the patina on it was not changed for me. That in my head made it okay. And there was a non-negotiable to sort of when you were speaking to the restorers. Yeah. I mean, to that point that you have to, I mean, Parry Janna, who restored that car for me at lux classics he judges concourse now he will tell you he'll i mean him telling me stories about how this car they all thought his car should have won and then he awarded it to another car and they were distraught and said why and they said that nut bolt that you used for what is that for the windscreen wipe is that's not the original bolt that leather that's not german that's connelly isn't it's best leather it's not german leather i mean he literally knows the part so when he was restoring my car, I had to stop him in the end and say, Harry, this is a lovely process.

34:53And I love the process. And I love the process more than actually driving the cars. The process of choosing everything and the colors and finding parts and original parts I adore. But we had to cut it short at one point and say, okay, let's not go. We're not going concourse level here. Yeah. Yeah. We bought a car for the Mille Mille and I based on an XK 120 lightweight. They sourced a car from California. And we built it as a lightweight would have been built. It's not original because there were XK120s. XK120 stands for 120 miles now, it's fastest car in the world at this time. Yeah. You know, in Jaguar creating all these things with the seat height, they invented disc brakes.

35:36And the XK120 is the car I raced in. It's one of the Jags I can fit in. Yeah. And I still, my head's popping about the, you know, the windscreen. It's convertible, luckily. So, you know, it's... Well, yeah, you can get the hard top, but I couldn't have a hard top. I wouldn't have fitted in it. I've seen it. And it doesn't have... It's not a Cabriolet. It has no top. It's got a... We just put it... Yeah. I've seen the car at the Savile Row Concourse. It's a beautiful thing. It's very pretty. The belt over the bonnet. Yeah, you've got the... I mean, you originally wouldn't have had that. That's a racing piece.

36:09So the bonnet, you know, if the latch goes, it doesn't fly up. you undo it with the belt. Quick release, petrol gauge, and then, of course, with a bit of modern tweaking, the original engine, original chassis, disc brakes were the same. We had a little bit of adjustable suspension on there, adjustable pedals because I don't fit it very well. So I adapted very much to my car, but... Where do you keep it and what's the pin code for getting into the garage? It's currently a very expensive plaything for my children at the moment. It's terrible. So people can't believe, I mean, I've got the cars in the garage, and all of them, they're usually off at events or doing something, but the Jaguars are at the moment.

36:51That's got to go off to classics next week. And so my kids will go, come and see my daddy's car. And they jump in the car, and they're pretending to drive. And now people cannot believe I let the kids do this. And I always think you can go two ways. I can be the father that's shouting at my kids to get out of their car and don't play it. Or I can be the one where they have the great memories, go, do you remember sitting in Daddy's car? Yeah. With our friends and they're sitting on the side, we've got great pictures of it. And they've scraped it and they've scratched it and everything else. I don't care.

37:21Yeah. It's for them to enjoy. And when you take that car out, it's for everyone to enjoy. I go out and say to Steph, I'm just going to run the Jag and it's a bugger to start because it's a racing car. So I've got to change all the spark plugs before I do it, fill the oil up in the carburettors, make sure that the battery is completely 100 % charged and still on the charger to get it going. And I go, right, well, now I've got to take you for a drive, and I'll be about half an hour and fill up with petrol. An hour and a half later, it's like, where are you? I'm like, I'm still talking to people.

37:54Because I stop at the petrol station, and someone will come and talk to me about it. I'll stop at a traffic light, they'll talk to me about it. You know, I park it up, and then it's just conversations. They all want to see the car, they all want to be in the car. Now, it doesn't matter what car you have. Like, I think what modern supercar you have, hypercar maybe, the love and the passion of still that feeling of what people, you know, see when they see you in a classic car because it's still such a rarity to this day. It's a lovely thing. They let you out of junctions and they wave at you and everyone's happier.

38:23We're just generally all happy being in classic cars. Yes. It's a wonderful thing. Also, I stupidly named that car Matilda after my daughter. After your daughter. So I can't ever get rid of Matilda. I mean, it's just... So that car's with me forever. Well, okay, so that's, I guess, another question for you to ask. Does it scratch the itch, or does it make it worse than you just always looking for the next project? You have a rest, but it's like restoring a house. Same thing, you have enough. You're, good God, I spent so much money on it. It's taken up all my time. I probably need a bit of therapy afterwards.

39:00Yeah. This is why you're here. Yes, thank you. You're actually a very good therapist. I'm totally best. Yeah, and then a year goes by and I'll just have a see what's on prime location. It's like me, I'll have a quick look on AutoTrader, where I watch a program and I read about Hakaar, and I think, that would be interesting to have. I wonder how much they are, and you start getting into it. And then you can't stop that. um after jag i did the 356 um and i had kind of i i designed that car how i wanted the car to look how i think it should have looked the best so a lot of that was sort of hand beaten panels and um bumpers and lowers and i did not stick to any rules even with the jaguar i went back into history because I've got, I don't know if you remember the car, it has a, the middle bit is like a lattice, leather.

39:57And that was a picture I found because the international racing car, the Italian race car and German racing cars realized that if you're in a racing car, you should really have the center should be fabric because when you're driving around, you're not slipping. The British never did this. We were just sliding around on leather. That's what the British do, it's got to be leather. God bless. And I found this where someone had clearly just latticed their leather. so you've got traction. You're not slipping around. I found it on picture and just said to, I want that. So the guy at Jaguar Classics would, whatever you lattice this leather, post it to me and go, is this okay?

40:33I'll be a bit smaller. And I sent it back to him. They've spoken to me again. And that's the detail of that car, which I love. And the 356 was very different. And then we'd just done a 90s Mini. So I sat around with Ian Callum. He's got a history of Ian Callum. Designer of fast forwards. The Aston Martin, as we know it, was him originating from the DB7. He went to Jaguar Land Rover, I worked from there. He's the most iconic guy, he would hate me saying that, most important designers of cars ever. He would hate me saying that, hate talking about himself, all his achievements. And then we sat around, he left Jaguar, and they started Callum Design, many things, furniture, cars, but mostly cars.

41:20And we kept talking about what's the project we're going to do, what's the project we're going to do. And we would literally have a beer. We were going and talking about our collections. We love Porsches, but people are going Porsches. Aston, I don't want to do a bit of Aston. Jaguars, we can't touch, where it's too much kind of association with them. Both of us are working with them. And then I said, what's the most iconic British cars? And we said the Mini. It was the Mini, the genius of the Mini. Yep. From where the engine was. It was designed in the early 60s and 70s wearing petch and your petch was so expensive it had to be four a family of four had to would fit in this tiny car now if you see the size of an original mini and people how do you fit in it me and you could fit you could sit in the front i could sit in the back the ingenious of that design and then someone realized it was just a bloody great racing car so they took it to monaco and it won the you know monaco or the monte carlo rally yeah just like the one best bit of british design.

42:13So I said to you, and I was like, this is what we should do. And they put a case together. I said, do you reckon enough people will want these if we put a business case together for the meaning? Now, restorations are more of a resto mod these days. But people were starting out, when you see these cars are like 200 feet. Define resto mod. A resto mod is is taking probably a car from the maybe 70s, 80s, 90s. Singer probably won't like me to say that Singer are rest and what they are, and you are putting modern technology into the restoration to make it. So the engineer of today going into a car of the 80s or the 90s, I would probably say that's the best idea.

43:01Okay. And they look phenomenal, but it's gone a little bit crazy with everyone doing them. But they are a quarter of a million, a million, you know, Singer's Hour over a million quid. And if you want to restore a car now, you're probably looking at, like, you know, a very well-restored car, a quarter of a million. Yeah. And so it's priced a lot of people out of actually restoring cars. You find with, like, you can get Land Rovers. There's a whole bunch of companies who are making Land Rovers. They're the Defenders. They just take the shells and turn them into sort of, I mean, multiple hundreds of pounds.

43:35Yeah. If you want them. Yeah, yeah. Anywhere between 400 ,000 and a million. Hmm. I mean, the fender's a little bit different. You don't have to change the fender that much, but you could. But yeah, as you said. And so a lot of this isn't attainable to a lot of people. And that's what I kind of wanted. I wanted to get back to like, okay, so what's the car? I was bored of driving, bored of like electric cars, bored of road. And I wanted to get back to that excitement of when I was 18, 19, and driving a 100 brake horsepower car to its maximum, to it getting everything from this car. And you're still doing 50 miles an hour.

44:11But it was so much fun. Cars are too fast, they're too boring, they're too capable nowadays, the modern stuff. And classic cars, you then got to see that they're just a bugger to drive. Especially if they're original. You said about driving the DB5, They don't have power steering. They're exhausting. They're lovely on a journey now and again. The best driving experience I ever had was in a Morgan. Yes. Because I sort of felt the asphalt of the motorway underneath my bottom. You're about three inches off of it. Yeah. And it was like driving a go-kart. It was the best fun I've ever had in a car.

44:45But you're getting the... I'd say the advantages of a classic car. Yeah. But, I mean, Morgan is a modern car. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, newly made. And so we did it with Mini, and they're kind of making them from about 75, fully restored, modern tech in it, 110 brake horsepower engine. The design has been settled a little bit by Ian, which you wouldn't notice, but it's made just the difference to this engine, to what was already an iconic design. and they have flown. They've sold so many of them and people restored them because it was this idea that people I think could buy them or you could restore them and not having to spend quarter million pounds.

45:34And I think everyone's a little bit bored of motoring and I think they just wanted something fun. So the Mini is one of these things as well, which is, it was driven by Enzo Ferrari, apparently around his factory. He was driving a Mini. Steve McQueen had one, that's what mine is based on, it's bronze, like Steve McQueen's. Steve McQueen's estate has actually approached us, I thought it was going to get in a lot of trouble. Yeah, I was going to say, did they try to sue you? Because they're quite litigious. No, no, they absolutely loved it. They might be working with them, or Callum might be working on a project.

46:06But it wasn't saying I wasn't coming in his car, I was just saying, because people went to me, Mini, that's not a choice. I mean, no, Steve McQueen had one. And they go, no, that's pretty much the coolest guy, arguably the coolest guy in the world. Yeah. And so you've got these people that were complete petrolheads driving Minis, And I love that idea. And I think that's why. Could you have done it with another car? I don't think so, because I think the history, everyone's got a mini story. Yeah, minis are cool. Do you think we're making cars today that will at some point be considered a classic?

46:35No, I think the classic status would have been, will stop, made too many of them, of course. so if you have derivatives or models of that car so like i would say so if you took an night or 2000 aston martin vantage v8s it won't be a classic the v12s they didn't make very many that would be a classic um but i think with with that era of the the classic there's too many made um do you think that needs to be an analog aspect to it that sense of going back in time with the ways it's driving nowadays. A special engine. Manual. Manual. Yeah. Not necessarily. I mean, yeah, I'd always have a manual. I think when you start looking at cars when they came with automatic gearboxes, nothing else, they're going to be a classic.

47:29I'm going to do anything at the top of my head here. So, you know, you've got the Lancia Delta Integrale, which was a classic really good to rally car, one of the most important rally cars. You'll see it's probably Subaru Impreza's RB5, stuff like that. There'll be classics. Quite a few of those are made, whether they're still on the road or not. So you are getting certain cars, like a Peugeot 205 GTI. They are going for a lot of money at the moment. So I'm probably thinking like anytime... I think there was a great time when they were making cars probably about 10 years ago. 2015, a little bit later, were, I think, some of the best cars manufacturers will ever make, in more of an analogue term.

48:16Because now, yes, they are. They handle better. But it's down to computing, really. And that digital era. And they've all got hybrid systems. So they're all stupidly fast now, 06 in two seconds. But I don't think they're going to be classic cars. They'll be collector's cars, by the way. I don't think it'll be classics. And I think you've lost that. for when there was a normally aspirated V8 manual, which is exactly what I'm looking at. It was still that day. I had an XK RS 2014, I think, and it's a car I've never forgotten. I see one on that, and I don't see him very often, which is why I want to get it, want to find one again.

48:58Okay. We are now at the phase of the podcast where you need to put your reputation on the line in a way that I've not actually asked anybody else to yet. So you have 10 questions sent in by listeners slash viewers, because this, of course, is an audio and visual podcast, which is why it's such a delight to have you here today, because visually you make everything look wonderful. Favorite car ever driven? Jaguar X KSS, the one of 16. I've driven two of the 16 now. Favourite car never driven? Never driven a Ferrari F40 or McLaren F1 or the XJ220. And actually Jaguar did bring it to Goodwood for me to drive.

49:45And then the heavens opened and it was a huge storm road. So I still have not driven the XJ. And that was the car on my wall. Bucket list car and road? I would love to race, and it's a road, I'm not going to say specifically a road, the Pan America. There's a Pan America race, which apparently is even more intense and even more ridiculous than the Mille Mille in South America. So I would do that and I would... I haven't raced my XK enough. I'd have to do it, but I'd have to do it in the XK. Great. The question that was sent in was three-car garage. It wasn't particularly clear whether it needed to be the cars you currently have and therefore can talk about, or your dream three that you don't currently have.

50:31So I'm going to ask you to give both. Right. But what's in the garage at the moment? Three in the garage? So three that you have that's your obviously curated garage, and then three that you don't have that you would like to have. Okay. I'm very happy with the three I have at the moment. I can't report the amount of passion rather than monetary value or anything else. So I've got the 57X here, 120, the 64 Porsche 356. And then the Ian Callum, the Callum Mini, which I absolutely love. Dream, my goodness. XKSS, that would just be the number one car of all time. Ferrari F40, I probably would put that in the collection.

51:11And then I'll probably, see this could be a discussion, three car garage can go on for hours at a dinner party. And then, what do I choose after that maybe something a bit silly like a Lancer Delta Integrale Evo 2 from the 80s. Best and worst road? Racing in the Mille is pretty special around Italy. And just driving in Italy is incredible. The worst road I can tell you is when we're trekking for Gorilla, we had to drive about two days through Uganda. The most horrific Toyota Land Cruiser just being battered about for two days. They are the worst. Apart from London roads at the moment, which to be honest, pretty much are on the par.

51:56Yeah, London roads are rubbish. Absolutely. Par was over. Unassumably bad. Come on, Sadiq Khan. Awful. I mean, the P1 Highway is a beautiful road in California, down in the Pacific. There's a racing road, not a driving road. PCH, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. No love for the A303.

52:17We used to... Goosey Stonehenge. We had this... I think I went past that either. I'm not even going to start talking about that. We had, I lived in Billericay when I was growing up, and I lived in Great Burstead, my friend lived in Little Burstead, and there was a 60 mile an hour country lane, and we were both car nuts, and that's where we would go and take our cars, the Burstead lanes. Funny, I was with him last night, and we still talked about the Burstead lanes, because it's a new car, and I went, have you taken it down the Burstead lanes yet? I said no. But yeah, so in my memory, that's one of the best.

52:50Super. Best Bond car. Well, do you know the original Bond car, what it was? I do not. Bentley. Yes, yes, yes. Sorry. When people talk about the Aston Martin and the DB5 and everything else, absolute crap. It was the Bentley Continental. Correct. Sorry. Yes, that's absolutely right. The worst ever. I'll give you the worst Bond car is when BMW came and made him drive a BMW Z3, I think I walked out the cinema. I'm not even kidding. Wasn't having any of it. You know, usually when you talk about Bond, there's controversy around people's opinions on this. I don't know if anyone's going to fight you in the comments on that one in particular.

53:35God bless you, BMW. Or BMW. Yeah, my personal favourite. I loved The Lotus Esprit, but also because it had Roger Moore. And if you see that scene where he goes, it becomes a amphibious, is it amphibious?

53:54Submersible. Submersible. And he drives up onto the beach after being in the water. And if I'm right, I think he puts down the window and takes a fish and puts it out the window. Now, I might have just made that up, but I think that's in the film and he does. He's very Roger Moore. And I'd love that scene because that's where I kind of, like I said I was working with Lotus and I said, you know how to launch your new car? I said, you bring it from a submersive light, you literally have your AI or whatever Roger Moore driving your new Lotus, but it's driven out and it's the new one. So it goes in as the Espirit comes out as a new Lotus.

54:30And that's your new Lotus. That's a very good idea. Yeah. Yeah. I have them now, yeah. Very good. Well done. Favourite decade for cars? I mean, probably the 50s over the 60s, yeah, the 1950s. Would it be sort of 50s American cars? Because those were... No. Oh, okay. Sorry. Shot down. Best electric slash hybrid? That's not a bad one. They're all average. Very good answer. Jeremy Clarkson. Although I've grown this, what's going to be the best looking electric on the road is going to be, and I'm not saying this because I work with Jaguar, if you see the new Jaguar 001, wherever they called it, in the flesh, it's incredible.

55:20I mean, if you like Buicks and like the old cars like that, this car as a statement piece, an electric car, is... It's just... The pictures don't do it justice. Because I went to LA, and the number of those Tesla pickups, electric pickups, that were around, really shocked me, because I think they're dreadful. Oh, really? I haven't seen them. I've never seen one on the road. Not in the moment. They are everywhere in the senseless. Unbelievable. I was stunned. Worst car ever driven? The most disappointing car I've ever driven is a car called the Alfa Romeo 4C, and I wanted to love it so much, and it was a hateful car.

55:58to drive. Beautiful to look at, just hated it. The car that you missed out on buying that you regret not buying the most. I mean, I couldn't have done it at the time. I mentioned the Galwin. I loved the Galwin. I knew that was an amazing price for that car and where that car values were going. That's still the one that I wake up at night. Galwin!

56:26What else? Lancer Delta Indigrally. They are now 120, 130. Used to be 15. I used to look at them thinking, well, maybe I should tap into that. Get one, leave the garage. Yeah. That was stupid. Well, I think we've all learned a lot. And this is obviously, it's difficult. The idea with the Luxury Dispatch is that we want to create a sort of resource for people that goes granular into all sorts of worlds. And I am aware that we've barely scratched the surface. I'm aware that we could do a lot more on this. And so I think that, at the very least, what we can say about this is, from an introductory point of view, this conversation will have educated a lot of people into sort of defining this particular particular passion, interest, area of expertise, whatever you want to call it.

57:28And a part of the luxury industry that has, through wonderful artistic engineering prowess, good taste, and all these things, has managed to be so everlasting and create such wonderful, I guess, it creates dreams for people. It creates this sense of fun, adventure and play and, you know, strikes so many wonderful tones in, I think, people's hearts that we couldn't leave it untapped as a subject to talk about. So thank you so much for coming in, but I might have to call you back. And... Not about fashion, is it? I probably couldn't. It'll be a shorter podcast if it was about fashion. Yes, it'll be a little bit.

58:18We'll just run everything. As I always say, I literally was going to have T-shirts say, fashion pays for the passion. Basically, fashion pays for the classic cars. That's... It's a very good line. Yes. I remain Tom Chamberlain, and this has been The Luxury Dispatch, the podcast that explores the stories, objects, and passions that shape the world of luxury. My thanks to David Gandy for sharing his love of classic cars and for reminding us that true collecting is never only about ownership, but about stewardship and knowledge. If you've enjoyed today's conversation, please do like, subscribe and leave a comment.

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