In short
The episode argues that Donald Trump’s recent public appearances show worsening physical and cognitive health, citing behavior, appearance, and social media posts, and claims Republicans refuse to use the 25th Amendment.
Guests and backgrounds
Dr. Bandy Lee, described as a world-renowned clinical psychiatrist associated with the Midas Touch Network; J.D. Vance, a Republican figure referenced for comments at the Republican midterm convention; Mary Trump, described as a psychologist and Trump’s niece.
Key claims
Trump is “decompensating in real time,” is “profoundly ill,” and shows signs consistent with dementia/possible strokes; he invents conversations with Iran, Canada, and the Houthis; he lacks insight and is dangerous; he is paranoid about assassination (e.g., “girdle diaper contraption,” multiple planes).
Notable examples
Trump appearing to fall asleep at a 9/11 Pentagon event; droopy mouth/face; Ireland trip where he allegedly struggled to walk; reposting a Jan. 6 video while claiming not to understand; lashing out at ABC reporter Rachel Scott (“you’re cute”); claims about pressing the nuclear button; imaginary calls with adversaries.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Deteriorating Health
2:02 to 2:59
Discussion on Trump's declining health and public appearances.
“Donald Trump's health is getting much worse.”
Mary Trump's Observations
2:59 to 4:02
Insights from Mary Trump on her uncle's behavior and mental state.
“And then Mary Trump says Donald is decompensating in real time.”
Physical Appearance and Behavior
4:02 to 6:01
Examination of Trump's physical state and erratic behavior.
“We also saw that droopy face, which lots of people say indicates many strokes happened in the past or also is indicative of potential dementia or certainly the massive cognitive decline that we're seeing.”
Media Interactions and Responses
6:01 to 8:06
Analysis of Trump's interactions with reporters and public comments.
“He said over the weekend that he spoke with the Houthis.”
J.D. Vance's Commentary
13:40 to 14:01
Discussion on J.D. Vance's insights and commentary about Trump.
“And then there was just a bunch of strange things where he's like, I'm good at formulas.”
Trump's Misleading Statements
14:01 to 14:46
Discussion on Trump's inconsistent claims regarding leadership and relationships.
“We should be paying the lowest interest rate in the world, regardless of their formulas.”
J.D. Vance's Critique of Trump
14:47 to 16:38
Exploration of J.D. Vance's criticism of Trump using Charlie Kirk's views.
“Vance is saying, trying to use Charlie Kirk as kind of the way he acts like he's not the one saying it.”
Dr. Bandy Lee's Insights on Trump's Mental Health
16:39 to 19:18
Dr. Bandy Lee discusses Trump's mental fitness and the dangers it poses.
“Bandy Lee had to say on the weekend show on the Midas Touch Network with Anthony Davis.”
Understanding Patterns of Danger
19:19 to 22:38
Analysis of Trump's behavior patterns and the implications for public safety.
“which is to simply diagnose and treat individual patients.”
Transcript
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2:02Ben Meiselas:Donald Trump's health is getting much worse. We have top clinical psychiatrists talking about just how bad it's getting. We have J.D. Vance waiting, seeing what's going on as well. I'll talk about what he said at the Republican midterm convention that leads me to believe that he's aware that Donald Trump's cognitive and physical deterioration is rapidly accelerating in a way that J.D. Vance knows the end could be coming soon, and he is getting prepared. We also have, of course, Donald Trump's own niece, Mary Trump, who herself is a psychologist, and she put out a statement about Donald Trump this past weekend that's worth reading.
2:45Ben Meiselas:She reposted Donald Trump's ridiculous memes in Iran and his meme showing that he controls the Strait of Hormuz and Donald Trump owns Iran with his orange chinchilla head. I don't know what this is even supposed to be. And then Mary Trump says Donald is decompensating in real time. Just look at the insanity he's posting on social media today. by refusing to invoke the 25th Amendment. Republicans prove once again they're willing to ignore the Constitution to protect him at our expense. I'll show you a little more of this, but Dr. Bandy Lee, who's been on the Midas Touch Network a number of times, world-renowned clinical psychiatrist, here's what she had to say.
3:27Ben Meiselas:Let's play this clip. We're dealing with is actually a profoundly ill man who is ill, usually. mental illness results in harm to the self and suffering of let's talk about what we've been seeing over the past few days as donald trump's health is getting worse then i'm going to show you what jd vance had to say let's talk about physical appearance at that 9-11 event that donald trump went to at the pentagon when we see once again donald trump was falling asleep for like the entire event. We also saw that droopy face, which lots of people say indicates many strokes happened in the past or also is indicative of potential dementia or certainly the massive cognitive decline that we're seeing.
4:16Ben Meiselas:You can see the droop in his mouth right there. He continues to wear this girdle diaper contraption. Did you see this when he was in Dallas, Texas as well? Some people are speculating it may be a bulletproof vest because he's paranoid he's going to be assassinated and that's what it is. Other people are speculating. I'm not trying to be, you know, mocking him or here at all. I'm just, if you look at it, it's potentially a diaper or some sort of girdle device that he's using that has a diaper in it. You saw that over there when he was in Dallas at the Cowboy National Medal Association event where he gave himself an award for giving away Congressional Medals of Honor.
5:00Ben Meiselas:He gave himself the award that gives away Congressional Medals of Honor. I know very bizarre indeed. Also, when Donald Trump traveled to Ireland, he now flies with two planes, the Qatari Air Force One and the old Air Force One fly together, paranoid about these assassination attempts, the old Qatari. The Qatari Air Force One doesn't really work that effectively. So sometimes you may need to go into the other plane. And Donald Trump has been known to hide in catering containers when he gets scared that he's going to get assassinated by Iran or some other entity. So you see that right there. Also, you saw the photo that the president of Ireland, Catherine Connolly, which she posted of Donald Trump.
5:43Ben Meiselas:I mean, look how ill. This is the official photo from the government in Ireland. You can see how horrible Donald Trump looks there. So the physical appearance, I mean, he was struggling to walk when we saw him in Ireland as well. The sleeping at the 9-11 event, the droopy face, you saw all of that. And then the imaginary conversations that he has with himself that he talks about, right? He said over the weekend that he spoke with the Houthis. They called him. It was a great conversation that he's got an understanding between the Houthis and himself. That conversation never happened. Once again, he's saying Iran keeps calling him and he's having these conversations with Iran.
6:23Ben Meiselas:They want to make a deal so badly. That's not happening. He's saying Canada keeps calling him. They want to do a deal with him. That's obviously not happening. When he was in Ireland and he was giving the speech, he said, and Melania's here. And then he realized that she wasn't there, but he thought Melania was there. And then he's like, well, she's here in spirit. She's seven hours away. And it was just too much of a commitment for her to actually fly here, but Melania is here in spirit, but he believed that Melania was there. Let me start and show you this clip right here. This one's not getting enough attention, but a reporter asked Donald Trump on the Qatari Air Force One that he's on, why did you recently repost the video of January 6th where you were saying that you won the election, which you didn't.
7:16Ben Meiselas:And then you were telling the protesters, all right, I know you're very upset, but it's time to go home now after you told them to go out there. And you were involved in the insurrection, obviously, in my opinion, obviously in yours as well. Why'd you post this? Why'd you repost your video from January 6th? He reposted it this weekend. Why are you reposting that video? And he has no clue what the reporter is even talking about. And he's like, what? What What do you mean I reposted? I don't know what you mean. You reposted your video from, this is the guy who has his hands on the nuclear codes.
7:51Ben Meiselas:You reposted the video from January 6th in the past 48 hours. You keep on reposting. You don't know you're posting that? Here, listen to what he said about that. Here, play this clip. We need the full playlist. Can we keep playing it? Just keep writing the song. Mr. President, on Friday, you reposted a video you took on January 6th. What was the message for posting that on Friday? Well, I posted about 30. Which one of you talking? You posted a video you took and posted on January 6th asking the rioters to go back home. The who? The rioters of January 6th and 2021. I don't know what you said. You also reposted Maduro again.
8:29The capture of Maduro. Well, they never talk about Maduro. That was a great capture. They never talk about Maduro.
8:35Ben Meiselas:And then we saw his behavior with the reporters as well. Rachel Scott from ABC, Donald Trump lashed out at her. You can almost see the demon in Donald Trump come out. And I think about what a sexual predator he is as well when I see this. And he's been found civilly liable for sexual assault. And I think about the people who he's preyed on throughout his life. And I think about this image of him lunging at Rachel Scott, the reporter. And This is a guy who's called reporters piggy, and he's previously cursed at Rachel Scott before as well. I mean, he's a horrific person, but remember when he lunged at her after he was leaving Dallas?
9:16Ben Meiselas:Remember this? Here play this clip. Mr. Fowler, sir. Yeah. Not you. You also offered checks to refund checks. Not you. And that didn't happen with the president. So you had that. And then when he was in Ireland, there was a reporter who was asking him a question about if he saw all of the protests in Ireland. And there was massive protests in Dublin while Donald Trump was there and throughout Ireland, but particularly concentrated in Dublin. There may have been as many as 50 ,000 people, maybe more people protesting Donald Trump, calling him a sexual predator, a war criminal, someone who covers up the Epstein files, a disgusting piece of trash.
9:53Ben Meiselas:There were the photos of him and Netanyahu banging each other. You saw those. And so this reporter asked him the question. And what was Donald Trump's response? He said, you're cute. You're cute. You're cutie, he said. He goes, you look like Sinead O 'Connor, a singer from Ireland who died recently. You look like her. You look like she's cute. You're cute. So Rachel Scott, he lunges at and screams, this reporter, he calls her cute. I just want you to think about the level of kind of psychotic behavior this is. And by the way, Sinead O 'Connor died in 2023, which is frankly not all that recent.
10:32Ben Meiselas:here's donald trump calling that reporter and saying you're cute like shanae o 'connor here play this clip mr president did you see any footage of the protests against your visit here in dublin and what do you mean about opposition you know you remind me of somebody irish singer fast away recently you know that is shaneed i actually held up before shaneed o 'connor you look like shaneed o 'connor Mr.
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11:04Ben Meiselas:And then there was another moment, too, where Donald Trump was asked about his horrible polls. And Donald Trump's like, what do you mean? My polls are great in the U.S. and in Ireland. I'm great in both the U.S. and Ireland. No, you're not. I mean, your approval in Ireland's like 19 % or 18 % approval in Ireland. And in the United States, you have the lowest approval in modern presidential history. But this is what he says. You can listen to it for yourself here. Let's play this clip.
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13:46Ben Meiselas:And then there was just a bunch of strange things where he's like, I'm good at formulas. We shouldn't raise interest rates because I'm the best at formulas. Here's what he said about that. Let's play it. I don't know. We should be paying. The United States is so strong. We should be paying the lowest interest rate in the world, regardless of their formulas. I know more about formulas than anybody. And we're the best credit in the world. We make other countries rich. We could turn that off in two minutes. And you had to have the leader of the Houthis say, Donald Trump never called us. We're not talking to him.
14:22Ben Meiselas:We don't know what he's saying. He's making this up. leadership in Iran saying he's making this up. We're not talking to him. We don't know what he's saying. He's making up conversations with Canada and Canada, the people there, the premiers, the leaders at the federal level also. We don't know what you're saying at all. You're just making up. You're just making all of this up right now. So let me bring you to what J.D. Vance had to say. Let me tie this all together. And then I want to show you more of Dr. Bandili. So J.D. Vance is saying, trying to use Charlie Kirk as kind of the way he acts like he's not the one saying it.
15:01Ben Meiselas:But J.D. Vance launched his biggest criticism against the catastrophic war in Iran yet, but he basically used Charlie Kirk's criticism or purported criticism of war as a way to go after Donald Trump. So here's what J.D. Vance said. He said, Charlie Kirk hated war, whether it was Europe or Africa or the Middle East. There are people that love what we've done and people who don't. I'm not here to litigate disagreements. Listen to what J.D. Vance had to say here. Here, play this, Clint. And Charlie was still a free thinker with his own principles and views. He did not always agree with us. Let me just give you one example.
15:44Charlie hated war. Whether it was Europe or Africa, the Middle East, he didn't care. He just hated war. That was his view. Now, of course, there are people who love what we've done and people who don't. I'm not here to litigate the disagreements between Charlie and some of the people that he disagreed with. But what I'm asking you to do is do what Charlie did. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don't...
16:16Ben Meiselas:And then, you know, I can go back and Donald Trump just saying deranged things like James Tallarico likes to vomit on himself. Whenever he eats meat, he vomits on himself. I mean, the sick things that come from Donald Trump's mind, it's just outrageous here. Play this clip. He loves meat. He throws up after every time he eats, he gets sick and he throws up all over the place. So now I want to share with you what Dr. Bandy Lee had to say on the weekend show on the Midas Touch Network with Anthony Davis. Here's what she had to say. Let's play it. And one of the ways in which he deflects any characterization is by attributing to others.
16:53And yes, deep down, he knows just how mentally unfit he is and how dangerous he is. all the things that we have been mentioning, he, above all, would know better, but, of course, is trying to hide all these inadequacies. And so what we're getting is actually the opposite, the extreme compensation for his inadequacies and sense of inadequacy, to the point where he has pretty much no insight into himself, no conscious insight, that is. And that is very dangerous.
17:42Ben Meiselas:And here's another portion of which he had to say, let's play it. What I'd like to emphasize is that there is a pattern here, and there's a very recognizable pathology even, that has been flowing through all his appearances. And it's not entirely unexplainable. In fact, it very much fits a pattern. The more severely ill one is, the closer one will fit a pattern of disease rather than a healthy variation that is a part of everyday human life. And what has been missing is the interpretation and education of the public that this is a recognizable pattern. And rather than interpreting what is happening moment to moment, the public may have the opportunity here to recognize that they themselves have seen by now that this is not a normal individual.
18:51He is not a stable individual. He fluctuates widely from appearance to another. He is someone who actually needs to be evaluated, needs to be contained before he is evaluated, and intervention at this point is necessary. I think people have been led to believe that mental health experts, for example, have a certain function, which is to simply diagnose and treat individual patients. And so when they see an individual out in public, that they would do the same. What I'm trying to say is that we actually have a different function. There's a difference between diagnosing a patient for treatment and detecting danger for the sake of the safety of the public.
19:54One is an individual function that we do based on consent and personal examination. The second is what we do for the public and does not require a personal examination. In fact, danger is better detected through objective behavior from the position where he is actually acting his public role. And so I think what needs to be emphasized is that this fits a pattern of danger. And I would highlight the fact that even this past weekend, he posted pictures of himself pressing the nuclear button. I've mentioned that this has been one of the greatest dangers of his presidency, of having somebody of this personality structure and of this presentation.
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22:16and as you said, his presentation could be enhanced by substances, fits a pattern of his need for adulation, his need to project himself as strong and forceful. And these are the things that actually need an independent evaluation.
22:42Ben Meiselas:Well, there you have it, everybody. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 7 million subscribers. We appreciate you. We're grateful for you. Let me know what you think about this all. Thanks for watching.
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the growing scrutiny surrounding Donald Trump's health following a series of recent public appearances that have raised new questions, including his recent appearance where is health appeared to be declining.
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