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1:37Welcome to today's episode of the Mindset Mentor Podcast. I am your host, Rob Dial. If you have not yet done so, hit that subscribe button so you never miss another podcast episode. And if you want 2027 to be the best year of your life, and you know that you are the only thing between you and your dream life, then you need to be at Freedom Live December 3rd, 4th, and 5th in Austin, Texas. I'm running a three-day in-person event. I'm going to help you uncover your unconscious blocks, work through them, and get past them so that you can truly live up to your potential. If you like my 15-minute podcast, imagine what three full immersive days with me and hundreds of other people will do for your life.

2:15My goal, honestly, is to help you make the biggest shift in your life possible right now so that you walk out a different person. So go to Freedom Live 2026 right now. We're already 50 % sold out. So if you're considering coming, go to Freedom Live 2026 right now, and I'll see you in Austin, Texas in December. In today's episode, I'm really going to talk to you about why you really, as a person and as someone who has an identity and develops a personality, why you actually need to lose yourself in your lifetime so that you can come back around and find yourself, hopefully find yourself in your lifetime.

2:52Now, the reason why I say this and the reason why I am hopeful for you is because you have now become aware. If you're listening to this podcast, you're somebody who's into personal growth, you're into self-discovery, you're into personal development, and you've gotten to the point where you realize that in order to make your life better, in order to improve your life, you need to work on yourself. One of the things that you'll find throughout your journey of self-development, I've been on mine now for 19 years. One of the things that you'll find is that it's actually really the path of self-development is really the path of self-discovery, of rediscovering who you truly are and becoming more and more of your truest self.

3:36Because when you look at the journey of life. You are in your truest form at birth. That is a perfect human. Obviously, you know, the baby has nothing there as far as like knowledge or knowledgeless about this world, but they're perfect. They haven't been changed. They haven't been told that they're not good enough, not smart enough, not pretty enough. They haven't developed thoughts because thoughts come from language and they haven't developed any of that. So they are kind of in their purest form as a human. And as I mentioned in the last episode, as time goes on, we are changed from our truest self.

4:12We are changed by our parents. We are changed by society. We are changed by our peers. We are changed by ourselves comparing ourselves to other people. We're changed by seeing advertisements and thinking to ourselves, damn, I must not be good enough. So I need to change myself so that I look more like hers, that I look more like him. Oh, my body doesn't look good enough. And really, it kind of turns into this situation where we mold ourselves into somebody that we think we need to be in order to fit in and in order to be accepted. So we're conditioned and we're socialized to fit in. And that's from, once again, everyone from our parents to every single interaction that we have, things that we see, things that we think, all of that stuff.

5:01And so we're conditioned and socialized to fit in, aka we are domesticated, right? And so what happens is in this case, we break from our true selves and we break away from the truest version of who we are. And honestly, like I said in the last episode, I don't think that there is any other way. I don't think that there's a way to raise a child that doesn't break from their true self. If they're going to be in society, if they're going to be around other people, if they're going to, it's just natural for all of this to happen. And it's also natural for us just to compare ourselves to other people.

5:35Breaking away from your true self at childhood and going off of this path of your true self, I believe actually is the most important part to eventually, hopefully being able to identify who you truly are and going on that path of rediscovery. I believe this is how you find yourself because you cannot find yourself, your true self, and work towards that every single day unless you have lost yourself first. This is just the way that life goes. And for me, since I became aware of this and got so far off track of who I truly was, one day I became aware of this, and hopefully you're starting to become aware of this, and hopefully this episode helps you become more aware of it, is now my path is not how do I become the best version of myself?

6:23How do I become better? How do I make more money? How do I do all of this stuff? My thing is, how do I start going more and more on the path to become my truest version of myself? Not who I think I should be, not who other people have told me I should be, not that I was conditioned to think that I should be when I was a child, but how can I be my truest self no matter what? And I am not there yet, but I've been on this path for years now to try to get back to my truest self. And I think that if I look at myself, and you could probably look at yourself as well, I can think of many times throughout my lifetime where I lost myself.

7:03You could probably think of many times in your lifetime where you've lost yourself. You know, I can think of many times where I thought that I should be somebody else and And I should be someone that I maybe didn't want to fully be just so I could fit in. You know, I remember, I've said this before on the podcast, I can remember in middle school, the exact moment on the school bus where we were and the exact moment when I said something that was really mean to another kid on the school bus. And I said it because I thought that other kids would think it was funny. And I felt terrible after. I still feel, you know, 20 something years later, 27 years later, whatever it might be, I still feel terrible about it.

7:47Cause I was like, damn, that was such a shitty thing to say. You know, I was like, what, 11 years old, 12 years old. And I said this thing and I'm like, man, I can't believe I still feel bad about that. And I said it because I just wanted to be accepted and I didn't feel accepted. Like, why did I want to be accepted? Well, I think if I look at myself and how I was subconsciously as a kid, I think I probably didn't feel accepted by my father fully because he was an alcoholic and because he would not be around and there was some emotional neglect that came from that. And so because of the fact that I didn't feel fully accepted there, I wanted to be accepted somewhere else.

8:24And so I think that happens for all of us. We all lose ourselves in so many ways throughout our life. And we will be right back. Hey, a bad hire can really cost your business. and a great hire can really accelerate your business. Running a small business means every hire really matters. A bad hire can cost you time and money and momentum and a good hire can help grow your business immensely. Finding great talent isn't easy when you don't have the time or resources to sift through resumes. LinkedIn's new hiring pro screens candidates for you. So instead of sorting through applicants, you can spend time talking to only the right ones.

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11:28I'm sure many people listening right now, I've personally done it, have gotten into a relationship with somebody and we have a pretty good idea. This ain't going to go very well. And they end up hurting us in the long run. And sometimes we change ourselves. Like so many people change who they are in a relationship with somebody in order to fit in, in order to feel like that person accepts them. And a lot of times people want to change the person that they're in a relationship with. And so we try to change other people. They try to change us. And we kind of become these like chameleons where, you know, I'm this way in front of this person.

12:04I'm this way, this way in front of my mom. And I'm this way in front of my girlfriend, this way in front of other people. I'm this way in front of my friends. And if we're constantly being somebody else, depending on who we're around, that's not our true self. Our true self would be, and this is why it's a path of rediscovery, we find out who we truly are, and we are that person in front of every single person, no matter who they are. Like, it's not like, oh, you know, I've got to be this way in front of her. I've got to be this way in front of him. I've got to be this way in front of this group of people.

12:33Oh, I'm on a podcast. I've got to be this way. It's got to be, I need to figure out who I am. And once I figure out who I am, I need to try to stay as firm in that person that I could possibly be because we change ourselves. So think about that. Have you ever lost yourself in a relationship? I'm sure many people have. And so what happens is we lose ourself in the relationship and then the relationship ends. And then we're like, wait, who the hell am I? Like I have a friend specifically, she was dating a guy years ago and he was really into Star Wars and she got really into Star Wars and she went and saw all of the movies and had all of these things.

13:14And they were together for like three or four years, whatever it was. And they went through a breakup and she was like, I fucking hate Star Wars. Right. But she went to all of the things and she acted like she tried to make herself like Star Wars and she never actually liked Star Wars, right? And so how many of us do this in so many ways? How many of us, you know, when we're in middle school, we're in high school, we change ourself and mold ourself and make ourself, you know, we're like a chameleon like everybody else. We wear the same things as them. We talk the same way. We have the same interests as them in high school and middle school so that we fit in with a group of people so that they will once again, accept us.

13:51You know, like in high school, uh, I used to smoke a lot of weed, even though I never really liked the way that I felt because I hung out with all of the surfers and everybody did. Right. And so I was like, all right, I guess this is just, I guess this is the, what we do, you know? And so I did it even though I didn't really like how I felt. So it was me like just putting myself and saying, Hey, I'm going to be this way. Can you guys all accept me? Right. And then I took that smoking and drinking and all that stuff and I carried it into college. And I was drinking and partying like crazy because that's what everybody did.

14:21When in reality, I think what I was really just doing, and I think this is what a lot of us do, in reality, I was just drinking and partying to numb the fact that I didn't feel like I knew who I was anymore. I was numbing the fact that I think a lot of us numb and struggle with self-acceptance because our truest self that's deep down below all of that conditioning that we've had, our truest self doesn't accept our conditioned self. So like our conditioned self is who we've grown ourself into. Our true self is who we truly are from birth. And we know this person's behind the scenes. It's like that voice that's in the back of your head, that intuition.

14:58I think the truest self is actually doesn't accept our conditioned self. And so what happens a lot of times is we numb ourselves. And in all of those things in life, and there's so many of them that happened over and over and over again, thousands of times throughout, I'm sure, our childhood, adolescence, college, high school, all of that. All of them are super freaking hard. They're incredibly hard to go through those, to go through some of those. But the important thing is, is they are incredible lessons if we allow them to be. The problem is that I don't think most people understand this. I don't think most people understand that all of those tough moments where we do lose ourselves, where we do get kicked out of the crowd, where we do get made fun of for being a certain way, whatever it might be.

15:45I don't think enough people understand that those are lessons. And even if you didn't extract the lesson in that moment, like sometimes somebody does break up with you, you realize you've lost yourself and you go, you know what? Screw this. I'm going to be alone for six months and I'm going to rediscover who I truly am. Sometimes we do do that. But sometimes you go through and you might've been broken up with or had a terrible breakup six years ago. And you can now look back and say, okay, it's been six years. How did I lose myself? Who did I become? Do I want to be this person? Do I want to change this person?

16:16What does my truest self want to do? I think that we need to get completely lost in order to find ourselves. And what we need to do is we need to lose like every piece of who we are in order to build ourselves back up from scratch and say, hold on, let me just wipe this slate clean. Let me figure out who I am. You know, I didn't realize this until I was in my thirties. And most people are, we just do what we're told. You know, we were in school and before school, we just do what our parents tell us to do. And we get into school and in first grade, they say, Hey, you've, you've got to get good grades so you can get into second grade.

16:54And then you got to get good grades. You got to be a good boy and girl so you can get into third grade. And then you get into middle school and you've got to get it. You've got to get your grades in middle school. So you can get a high school. and you definitely got to get great grades in high school so you can get into a college, right? And you can get into a good college. And then you've got to do really well in college so that you can get a good job. And then once you get a good job, then you can climb the corporate route. So you got to do really good. And we just kind of follow this path. We kind of do what we're told or do what we feel we're supposed to be doing based off of what all of society is reflecting back to us.

17:27And at some point in time, we wake up and we're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life. This is where a midlife crisis comes from, is people wake up and say, what am I doing? How did I get here? I don't want this. You know, they just wake up one day and they have a life that they feel like they didn't want or create for themselves. They just kind of followed the herd. And that is a really, really hard moment. But the moment is a moment of transformation if they let it be. And that's when we really have to stop looking externally and we really have to start searching internally? You know, what parts of the old me of my conditioned self need to die?

18:07It's like, you know, shedding of a skin. A snake needs to shed its skin as much as it possibly can. You know, like I remember, and I've told this before on the podcast, one of the most life changing conversations I ever had was with one of my first mentors, Matt. And I was running an office for this company that had 700 offices. We were the number one office in the United States. We were killing it. The company was like a$250 million a year company. And we were number one out of 700 and some odd offices. I was 21. I thought it was just hot shit. I thought I was killing it. I thought it was awesome.

18:41And he calls me up. He's like, Hey, can we go get lunch? I'm like, yeah, we meet at Chipotle. We sit down and like immediately he wasn't, he was very short to the point, but said it with love. He's like, Hey, I don't know how to tell you this, but a lot of people don't like you. I was like, what? Like my mind, I'm killing. I'm like running in a board office. I thought I was great. He's like, a lot of people don't like you because, uh, because you present yourself, uh, in a way that is not who you truly are. Like this was a conversation where he made me realize I was not being my truest self. He's like, I know your heart.

19:13I know who you are and you don't present that to other people. And I think it's because you're afraid of being vulnerable. And so my whole thing was I would show, you know, I would say things that were a little bit more brash and would kind of cut people deep so that therefore they wouldn't come back and cut me because I was so vulnerable and so weak and so afraid of being wounded that I was like, I'm going to hurt you first so you don't hurt me. And I was protecting myself because my sense of self-worth was so fragile. And I started thinking of like, oh my God, do I want to be that person? How did I get this way first off?

19:46Like I was thinking that. I was like, how did I become this way? Is that who I truly am? Is this who I want to be? No, like this part of me needs to shut off. I need to get rid of this. And it wasn't like a get rid of it one day kind of thing. That part of me has been falling away for that conversation was, you know, now 16 years ago. So 16 years, I'm just, just continue to keep shedding it. Right. Cause I was 21 at the time. So that's 21 years of building up. And so I'm slowly still shedding it. And you know, it's, crazy how many ways we lose ourselves. You know, so many of us lose ourselves to and become somebody that we need to be for our parents and for society.

20:23And so many of us lose ourselves in romantic relationships and, um, you know, become somebody that we're not hoping to please the other person and you lose yourself and then you have to refine yourself. And it's all of this is just a path of rediscovering who you truly are. You know, have you ever lost yourself in a relationship with a family member where you have to act a certain way with your mom because you know how she's going to react. You have to act a certain way with your dad and you make sure you don't cuss in front of grandma and all of this. Have you ever lost yourself in friendships where you become a chameleon to everyone else around you and then you end up not liking yourself or you become a chameleon in a job and you've got to be a certain way so that you're accepted and you have to make sure that you get a certain job title like that actually matters or you go and get a degree that you don't want because your parents told you to or because everyone that looks like you has the same one.

21:17Or if you're not a doctor or a lawyer, you're a failure or you're a guy, so you should do this or you're a female, so you should do this. And we have all of these things of what we think we should do and think we should be versus actually just checking in with ourself and saying, who am I truly and who do I want to be? And so really, the way that you actually start to find yourself is to first off, the first way, like if you're driving your car, the first way to realize and start to get on the right path is to realize, oh my gosh, like I'm way off course. I need to get back on course. So the first thing you need to become aware of is like, have I lost myself in some ways?

21:51And if you have, okay, great. You know, we can work through that. We can start to, it's a process, we can do it. And you start to ask yourself, like, how have I lost myself? Have I changed myself for other people? And then in reality, who do I truly want to be? you know, and start thinking about like, if, if I were to be able to be at my funeral and I were to see what's being said about me at the eulogy, what would I want people to say about me? What would I want people to say about my, not, not about what my job title was or what, how much money I made or how much I did, you know, had cars or clothes or whatever it might be, houses in certain locations.

22:29You don't want that. That's not what you want people to say about you at your funeral. None of that matters. What are the characteristics? What are the habits? What are the traits? How did you make people feel? And start to develop this version of yourself of like, hey, this is who I feel like I truly am. Like these, these are my values. These are my characteristics, my traits that I say, this is who I know. It feels true inside of my body that I truly am. And then what you do is you wake up and you look at that list and you become more of that every single day. And if you do that every single day and you become a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more, eventually you'll fast forward in five or 10 years from today, and you'll actually be the person that you want to be and be the person that you truly are, not the person that you've been conditioned to be.

23:11So that's what I got for you for today's episode. If you love this episode, please share it on your Instagram stories, tag me at RobDialJr, R-O-B-D-I-A-L-J-R. And once again, if you want 2027 to be the best year of your life and you wanna dive deep into this subconscious programming, come join me at Freedom Live, December 3rd, 4th, and 5th in Austin, Texas. Once again, it is freedomlive2026.com, freedomlive2026.com. And with that, I'm leaving the same way I leave you every single episode, make it your mission to make somebody else's day better. I appreciate you. And I hope that you have an amazing day.

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