Navigating Change: How To Thrive in the Unknown

22 Sep 2023 · 23 min

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The Mindset Mentor Podcast: Episode Summary

Episode Title

Navigating Change: How To Thrive in the Unknown

Host

Rob Dial

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Episode Overview In this episode of The Mindset Mentor, Rob Dial emphasizes the importance of personal growth and adaptation in the face of inevitable change. Drawing parallels between past technological advancements and the current rise of AI, Dial encourages listeners to embrace change rather than resist it. He outlines practical steps for personal development and becoming more adaptable to the shifting landscape of the modern world.

Key Themes

  • Inevitability of Change: Change is a constant in life, and resisting it can lead to stagnation. Dial stresses that the only true constant is change itself.
  • Personal Growth: The focus should be on developing oneself physically, emotionally, and spiritually to keep pace with external changes.
  • Embracing the New Normal: Accepting the present state of the world and our lives is essential for growth and success.

Key Takeaways

  • Adaptation is Crucial:
  • Change occurs in cycles (like seasons in nature).
  • The ability to adapt is vital to avoid being left behind.
  • Understanding Fear:
  • Humans naturally fear the unknown due to ancestral instincts.
  • In modern contexts, the unknown often presents opportunities rather than threats.
  • Future-Proofing Your Skills:
  • As industries evolve, so must individual skill sets.
  • Focus on acquiring skills that are less likely to be replaced by AI (e.g., emotional intelligence, coaching).
  • The Role of Mentorship:
  • Finding mentors can accelerate personal growth by learning from those who have achieved what you aspire to.
  • Engage in networking and seek out mentors in your desired field.
  • Financial Literacy:
  • Understanding financial concepts is crucial in a changing economy.
  • Investing in self-education is more valuable than spending on material possessions.
  • Mindset Matters:
  • Cultivating a growth mindset leads to better resilience and success.
  • Studies show that individuals with a growth mindset achieve better academic and personal outcomes.

Practical Steps Suggested

  1. Work on Personal Development: Focus on your mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being.
  2. Seek Mentorship: Hire mentors or seek out opportunities to learn from those in your desired field.
  3. Adapt Your Skills: Identify valuable skills that will remain relevant in a changing job market.
  4. Educate Yourself: Invest time in learning about financial literacy and other areas relevant to your growth.
  5. Embrace Change: Accept that change is necessary and view challenges as opportunities for growth.

Closing Thoughts Rob Dial encourages listeners to see this period of change as an opportunity for personal growth. By prioritizing self-improvement and being proactive in adapting to new circumstances, individuals can thrive in an uncertain world. He concludes with a motivational reminder to make it your mission to improve not only yourself but also the lives of those around you.

Links and Resources

  • Follow Rob Dial: [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/robdialjr/), [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@robdial?lang=en), [Facebook Group](https://www.facebook.com/groups/themindsetmentee/), [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHl3aFKS0bY0d8JwqNysaeA)
  • Book Pre-order: [Level Up](http://robdial.com/book) - A guide to personal development and achieving goals.
  • Coaching Services: [Transform Your Life](http://coachwithrob.com)

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This episode serves as a reminder that personal development is not just beneficial; it is essential in an ever-evolving world. By focusing on growth and adaptability, listeners can carve out a successful path forward.

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0:07Welcome to today's episode of the Mindset Mentor podcast. I'm your host, Rob Dial. If you have not yet done so, hit that subscribe button so that you never miss another podcast episode. And if you're out there and you love this podcast, please do me a quick favor. Go take out your phone, go to however you're listening to us, whatever platform you listen to us on, and give us a rating and review. Reason why is because the more positive ratings and reviews that we get, the more that those platforms show this podcast to people who have never listened to it before because they start to think, oh, this is popular.

0:34We should show this to other people. And that allows us to grow. That allows us to impact people's lives a little bit more. and allows you to give back in a way to be able to help us grow. So if you would do that, I would greatly, greatly appreciate it. Today, we're going to be talking about why I believe more than anything else that you should be doing is working harder on yourself, your personal growth, your physical growth, your spiritual growth, your emotional growth. It's more important than it ever has been in the history of your entire life. Right now, I believe that you should be adapting to the changes that are going on in the world because there is changes happening all around us.

1:11And to be fully honest with you, I feel like we're at the point of maybe your life, my life, humankind, where we need to adapt or we need to be realizing that we're gonna be left behind. If we look back on the past few years, right? 2020 was crazy. 2021 was crazy. 2022 was also crazy. in 2023 seems like it's going to be crazy as well. So if you're wanting to go back to the way that it was, go back to pre-COVID and pre-2020, back to 2019 where everything was all peachy, you might be waiting forever. We might never go back to that. And it's not a bad thing. I want you to understand that. It's not a bad thing.

1:56Things change and things are supposed to change. The The only constant in this world is change. If you look at, I like to look at nature for inspiration and kind of see how the universe works and how the world works. Nothing ever stays the same in nature. Nature is constantly changing. And you're never going to be in winter forever. You're never going to be in spring forever. You're never going to be in summer forever. You're never going to be in fall forever. I live in Austin, Texas. And if you don't know, it has been so ridiculously hot for the past three months. and it's so hot that like, I don't even really go outside when the sun is up.

2:33It's that hot. And it's, it's easy to look at it and be like, Oh my God, this is terrible. This sucks. I don't want to go outside. I'm literally sweating. As soon as I walk outside, whenever the sun is up, my car is hot, everything's hot. And it's easy to look at me and think, Oh my gosh, it's going to be this way forever. But it's not going to because every single few months, we go through some cycle of change. The world goes through some cycle of change. And I believe that right now humankind is going through a cycle of change. And I don't think that it's something to be afraid of. I think that a lot of people are very afraid right now because it's just changing.

3:07You know, I'll be honest with you. There's a lot of stuff that's really messed up with our society. Maybe we need some change. Maybe the change that's going to be coming is for the better. And so for me, I don't think that right now is the best time to be just sitting back and just seeing what happens. I think that it's time to step up to the plate for all of us to embrace the new normal that we're moving into and not to resist the change, but to embrace it. I was watching, I don't know if you ever go onto YouTube and you click on one thing on YouTube and then all you do is get served the same thing over and over again on YouTube.

3:41It's like the algorithm immediately hits you. I had something on YouTube that popped up and it was somebody talking about a near-death experience. And it was so intriguing and I watched it. and then what happened the next day I got onto YouTube and all my YouTube was just full of all these other stories of near-death experiences so I've been watching them because they're just so interesting of like people who have died been pronounced dead and then come back to life and what they experienced in that time and uh I would recommend watching them they're pretty interesting but one of the guys was literally dead for 45 minutes he was in like he was dead they put him into a body bag they put him into the back of a a ambulance and then they the guy who was in the ambulance was like, let me just check one more time and see if he has a heartbeat.

4:21He had just one beat that came through and he's like, oh my God, this guy might not be fully dead. And they brought him back to life and he was talking about all of his experiences. And one of the things that a lady said when I was watching it this morning was when you go into, you know, whatever you believe, you believe. But she said when she went into the spiritual realm, whatever happens after you die, she said, there is no good or bad. There's no yes or no. There's none of that. What it is, is it's either growth or no growth. Good would be growing, constantly growing, constantly evolving. Bad would be trying to be the same over and over again.

4:55And she was saying that our experience here on earth is to grow, is to improve ourselves and to try to get better and become the best we could possibly be and help other people in that process. And so the thing that I recommend to you is to embrace the new normal, embrace that this is the cycle that we're currently in. We're switching from one season to another season. We can't go, oh my God, I want it to be summer forever. No, because fall's got to come. And so now's the time for you to really be proactive. And humans just don't like change. I've been coaching people for 17 years now. And the one thing that I find is that everybody wants change, but nobody, not nobody, everybody wants change, but very few people want to change.

5:34And you have to be one of the people who says, you know what? I see what the world's going through. I see what's happening. I see all of the stuff. And this is a challenge for me to step up to the plate for me to become better. and the reason why humans don't like change is because change is very unknown. We don't know, we know what the situation is. We know what our comfort zone feels like. We know that we're safe in this little tiny comfort zone that we're in. But there's a part of you, if you're listening to this podcast, that wants to grow, that wants to be different. But there's also another part of you that's saying, hey, no, it's dangerous out there.

6:04Don't change. Don't go into the unknown because change is unknown and therefore the unknown is a threat to the human brain. It's a threat to the human brain because if you think back 100 ,000 years ago to our ancestors, the unknown usually meant pain or death attached to it possibly. If you didn't know what was coming up in the forest, you had to be on guard at all points in time because there might be something that was ready to attack you. That was 100 ,000 years ago. But unknown in 2023 is usually not going to kill you. It's just a little bit scary because we don't know exactly what it is. So as long as you know that there's always going to be a part of you that wants to grow.

6:44There's always going to be a part of you that wants to change, that wants to improve, that wants to get better. But there's also always going to be a part of you that's afraid. There's always going to be a part of you that doesn't want to get outside of your comfort zone. It wants to stay inside of your cave, because inside of your cave, you're safe and nothing's going to attack you. But in 2023, nothing's going to attack you. Nothing's going to kill you. Nothing's going to come out and kill you if you're just trying to grow your business or grow yourself and become better. And with all of the changes that are happening and so many industries that are changing completely, this isn't the first time this has happened.

7:15Industries have changed over and over again. And the biggest industries in the world are the biggest industries in the world. And then they collapse because things change. Like if you think back to like the railroads, right? Railroads used to be the main form of transportation for people. Actually, before then was probably horses. And before then was probably walking around on your feet. So horses were probably the main form of transportation for a while. and then what happened? Oh yeah, trains came along and the railroads came along. And I bet you, I bet you that the horsing industry suffered from that.

7:46And then what happened? Cars came along. Cars came along and what happened? The railroad industry was crushed. And then what happened? Planes came along and the railroad industry was crushed more. And now people don't ride horses and they don't ride trains as much as they used to. Industries change. Things change all the time. The only constant is change. Like if you think back to people used to use VCRs. If you use a VCR now in 2023, it's like, what's going on? What year are we? But people use VCRs were a huge industry at one point in time. And then what happened? DVDs came out and DVDs became a huge industry.

8:22And I don't know about you, but I saw some friends that have like a thousand DVDs in their house and they don't get to watch any of them. Why? Because now streaming is here. So things change. And what happens in that when industries change is jobs are lost. Industries collapse when that happens. But with new industries become new jobs and new jobs were created. And so when people say like AI is going to destroy the world and AI is going to destroy all these jobs, it's going to destroy jobs as any industry change does. But with that will be new jobs that opened up. There used to be radios that people used to listen to all the time.

8:58I haven't listened to the radio in like 10 years since I first downloaded Spotify. Now I just listen to Spotify. People used to have records and then they had eight tracks and then they had CDs and then they went to streaming. It's just what happened. And that's always what happens is that there's always some sort of change. And now so many people are like, oh my God, AI is here. This is terrible. The world's gonna collapse. Robots are gonna take over the world and kill us all. All right, I don't think that's gonna happen. But AI is here and it's not going anywhere. And so AI is coming quick and it's coming really, really quick.

9:30And so for us, we need to look at it and say, okay, if I'm fast forwarding in the next couple of years, I'm seeing how much things are changing. How can I adapt myself? You know, I don't think robots are going to come and take over the world, but they will make things a lot more efficient. So what can you do now to make yourself more valuable is really what we need to start asking ourselves. What can you do now to make yourself a more valuable person in your family, to make yourself a more valuable person in the world, in your industry, switching industry to make yourself valuable? Really what it comes down to is as we learn, as we grow, we become more valuable.

10:07So really what it comes down to is if you've been working a job that it's okay or you don't like it or it's just pay the bills and you fast forward a few years, you got to ask yourself, is it possible that I could be out of a job in five years because of how much the world is changing? And if it is, what's a valuable skill set that you can learn right now? Not to wait until you get to that point, but how can I make myself more valuable right now? If you're going to work for someone else, how can you make yourself unfireable? I don't know if that's a word. Maybe I just made up, but how can you make yourself unfireable?

10:42If there were layoffs in your job, they say, okay, we've got to get rid of these people. But yeah, she definitely needs to stay because she's a valuable team member. What skill sets can you learn to make yourself a more valuable member of any team? What's a skill set that you can learn or that you can strengthen that AI cannot replace? What is that? Like for me, the thing that obviously the industry that I'm in is coaching. I don't really see AI coming in and competing against one-on-one coaching. Could AI come in and write a book based off of all of the Google searches it could do? Of course it could.

11:19But as far as talking to one person one-on-one with life experiences and talking to another person who's been in your shoes and knows what it feels like because that robot doesn't know what it emotionally feels like to be in your position, I don't think that's something that can be taken over by AI. I'm not saying everybody needs to become a coach because then there would be no reason for coaches because everybody would be a coach. What I'm saying is how can you move and shift knowing that the world is changing and all that we need to be doing is constantly growing and constantly changing. This is your time to start thinking differently.

11:48Stop thinking the same way that you've been thinking. More than ever, you have to double down on what's different. What do you love to do? What is it that you've just been sitting back on? What's that dream you've been thinking about for years but you've been like, yeah, but I've got a family, I've got bills to pay. I'm not saying that you're going to be out of a job in the next three months. But what I'm saying is if I'm looking in the future and I'm always trying to look in the future and say, what's coming up next? What's the world going to be like in two years? What's the world going to be like in five years?

12:16And how can I make myself a valuable asset to the world based off of what I see coming in the future? If you're wanting it to stay the same forever, you're going to have to deal with the possibility of being left behind in the future marketplace. And so there's a lot of things that we can do. What are those things we can do? I recommend hiring mentors. if you're saying, okay, here's a valuable skill set that I want to learn. Can you hire a mentor to come in and do that to teach you so that you can, instead of, you can fully 100 % if you want to go and make all of the mistakes and figure it out over the next five years.

12:47Or you could hire somebody who's already really good in whatever industry you want that you're in or that you want to be in and say, Hey, can I just pay you to teach me? Can you just teach me how to get to where you are? What I want to pay you to teach me how to not make the mistakes you made so I can be where you are. And instead of 10 years, I want to be there in two years. So hire mentors, go to conferences, meet people who are around the industry that you want to move into or the industry that you want to improve in. The real point is get better. I have a sign that's on my desk and it says, be better.

13:20That's it. Doesn't say anything else. Be better. Because I'm trying to constantly remind myself, just be better today. When I go to bed tonight, I want to be better than there was when I woke up. And if you look at like college is a really great example of things changing. I don't believe that paying into a system that puts you into debt that you can't pay off is going to live past my lifetime. I really don't. The internet is making most degrees obsolete. Now, there's still going to be doctors and lawyers and architects and all of that that are still being needed. Absolutely. 100%. But there's many jobs that the internet is making pretty obsolete.

13:56Like when I went to school, before I dropped out, I was a business major. You could learn to be a business person or from going to school and learning from somebody, or you could just go out and start a business. You could go and actually hire a mentor of somebody who's running a business and you could see what they do and learn from them and get better. And so I really don't believe that, you know, I hope I live to a hundred years old, that when I lived to a hundred years old, which is, you know, 63 years from now, I don't believe that college is really going to be what it is now and what it has been in the past.

14:24And that's just an example of things changing. And that's fine. It's always fine. Things should always change and we should try to embrace as much as possible. You know, college used to be necessary for financial success. Like if you wanted to be financially successful, it was almost always necessary for you to do it. But now when you look at some of the biggest companies in the world, Apple, Google, Netflix, Tesla, none of them require college degrees anymore. They don't require them. They want skillset more than they want a college degree. You know, the average college is about$20 ,000 per year.

14:54So then I start thinking to myself, okay, if I was 18 years old and I had$20 ,000 that I could spend into my education, I could go do that and go to a school and they could teach it to me. I could do that or I could invest that money into traveling around the world, meeting people, figuring out my passions in life, going to conferences, meeting people at those conferences, trying to find a mentor, hiring a mentor. when you look at people like I love going over to Italy because you can see the art art's incredible and the architecture is incredible and everything is it was made by masters and the way that those masters were always made was they were apprentice of somebody else they found someone who was a master when you look at Michelangelo he didn't learn how to do it all on his own he was an apprentice under somebody who was already a master he learned from them faster and he became better through that.

15:45So can you look at mentors as if you're an apprentice? Either you pay them to help you get better or you donate your time to help you get better. If you're young, become an intern for someone that you want to mentor you. Give them your time if you don't have money. If you have money, you can say, hey, maybe I could give it to you. I could give it to a charity of your choice, whatever it is, to try to get some time to learn. Because you can either go to school and you can learn from someone who is learning from the book or you can go learn from someone who's actually doing what it is that you want.

16:15So it really comes down to like, what's, what's moving and shifting. If you look at it, the internet is exploding. Learn how to make money online. If you want to, a lot of people send me messages and they're like, Rob, you know, I want to go and I want to travel the world, but I want to figure out how to make money online. Well, if that's the case, there's a million ways to make money online. There's a million ways to make a million dollars online, but it really comes first with the, with, with the awareness of that's what you want to do and the intention of I want to learn. I know before I started my business online and started making money online and before I actually started my first business online, which was an Amazon business, before I went and started coaching and doing what I'm doing now, for years I was just researching all of the different ways you can make money online because I honestly didn't want to work for someone else anymore and I wanted to travel the world.

17:02And so, you know, you could figure out ways to make money online, you could spend more time with your kids. You could travel more. You can build your own business so that you're free. And really what it comes down to is how do we keep getting better? How do we keep learning? Another thing I think that people really need to double down on that most people try to remain ignorant in is financial literacy. Like we're not really taught financial literacy and everything is changing right now with blockchain and Bitcoin and Ethereum and all of that. Who knows what it's going to be in five years or 10 years or 20 years.

17:32But I do know that financial literacy is definitely needed and they don't really teach us that in school. I always say there's a lot of people, like we know that we need to know our finances. We know how to budget. We know how to invest. We know we need to know those things, but it's a skillset. It's a knowledge base that needs to be built. And so a lot of people are like, I don't really want to put the time into learning it. And I always say, here's basically the way I see money. Money and the economy is just this big giant game. And if you live inside of a country, you're in the game. You're in it.

18:04There's no way out of it. If you're going to be living in a country, making money, paying your bills, paying taxes, all of that, you're in the game. You should learn how to play the game because it is a game. And so it's like, you could just go, oh yeah, I don't want to learn it. Fine. Don't learn it. But you could go, you know what? There's a lot of stuff changing in financial. There's a lot. I want to be financially free later. I need to learn how to be more financially literate. You're in the game. You need to learn how to play it. And really what it comes down to is how do we start to build ourself into somebody who is unbreakable.

18:35The future is very uncertain. It will always be uncertain. If the future is uncertain, you need to be certain in yourself. You need to be certain in who you are, in your skill set, and growing yourself. And don't wait until it's too late. You might have another 12 to 18 months before things start to change, but don't wait those 12 to 18 months. Everything's going digital. Everything's changing. That's amazing. I'm excited about all this stuff. I'm not scared about it. I want to learn. I want to grow. I want to try to become better. And you got to learn what's changing. You got to learn what to do with your money.

19:09You've got to educate yourself. You got to spend your money on your self-education, not material possessions. You know, 80 % of American households didn't buy a book last year. 80 % of American households did not buy one book last year. Get ahead of everyone else. Cultivate a growth mindset. Try to make yourself get better. Read the book Mindset by Carol Dweck. and she talks about the differences between a growth mindset and a fixed mindset. And there's tons of studies that show how a growth mindset will help you become more successful, happier, more joyful, have better emotional intelligence.

19:44There was a study that was done in the Journal of Child Development that found out that students who had a growth mindset were more likely to get higher grades and test scores than those who had a fixed mindset. Growth mindset means I can grow, I can change, I can get better. Fixed mindset says this is how I am and this is how I'll always be. And what's crazy about it is it was especially true for the students who had the worst academic challenges. And so what it showed was that a growth mindset can lead to better academic outcomes. And the students who had a growth mindset were more likely to persevere when they got bad grades and seek out resources to improve.

20:21Because they saw their challenges as an opportunity to grow, to get better, instead of saying, oh, this is how I am, this is how I'll always be. There was another study on growth mindset in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology and found that individuals that had growth mindset about their personality traits, meaning that their personality could change and they could become better and they weren't just always going to be this person forever, were more resilient in the face of social rejection. They experienced less stress and more positive emotions. They were also less likely to retaliate against people who rejected them in their life.

20:55So a growth mindset can contribute to better emotional regulation, resilience and give you better well-being as well and so really what it comes down to right now and the point of this episode is you need to prioritize yourself your mental your physical your emotional spiritual self you need to prioritize all of that now's the time for you to grow and become the leader that you really can be you don't have to lead on a large scale you don't have to change the entire world it could be on a smaller scale it could be just you because you interact with people all day long and everyone you interact with is it sends a ripple effect out into the entire world.

21:26It can be on a small scale. It could be you. It could be your family. It could be your children. It could be your parents, your friends. Help them get through their changes and just disappear for a little while. Disappear for six months and work on yourself. Delete any of the apps that are in your phone that hold you back from growing or that take your time away from growing and becoming better. So instead of scrolling on Instagram, you can actually work on yourself because really what it comes down to is we need to learn how to grow and how to change. We need to force ourselves to become better because there is either growth or no growth.

21:58That's what exists. One of my very first mentors used to always say, you're either green and growing or you're brown and dying. How can you step into the face of adversity and the face of uncertainty of what's coming in this world and make sure that you're always green and growing so that you're well prepared for the future ahead? I don't say this because I want it to be doomsday. I'm saying this because this is an exciting time to be a human, to learn, to grow, and to become better. Now is your time to get better. So that's what I got for you for today's episode. If you love this episode, please share it on your Instagram stories and tag me at Rob Dial Jr., R-O-B-D-I-A-L-J-R.

22:29And if you love this podcast episode, you'll also probably love my book that is just coming out. If you want to order it, it's called Level Up. And the subtitle is How to Get Focused, How to Stop Procrastinating, and How to Upgrade Your Life. If you go to robdial.com slash book before October 3rd and pre-order it, when you pre-order it and enter your information and show proof that you bought it, you'll also be entered into a drawing for over$25 ,000 in cash and prizes there's going to be a pool of people who are going to win some cash and prizes and you're also going to get a free mini course which is how to stop procrastinating on that website as well so you can go to robdial.com book to pre-order and with that I'm going to leave the same way I leave you every single episode make it your mission make someone else's day better I appreciate you and I hope that you have an amazing day

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Welcome to today’s episode of The Mindset Mentor Podcast, where today… I’m going to share with you what I believe is the best possible thing you could do for your future, starting today. 

If there’s anything that we can all agree on about AI, it’s that we knew it was coming eventually. If you really think about it, there once was a time where people rode horses to get everywhere… Then they developed cars… and planes… etc. VCRs turned into DVD players, which turned into internet streaming… Change is inevitable. The one thing that never changes, is that things will change. 

In this episode I’m not here to talk about AI, but I am here to use it as a reference point to help you understand why it’s more crucial than ever before to start focusing on yourself, developing yourself both personally and professionally, and start getting comfortable with change. It’s time to learn to adapt. 

I’m not here to put fear into you, and I will give you some great ideas in this episode on what you can start doing right away to make sure that you’re not “left behind” as the world keeps moving forward. 

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