In short
The episode argues that smartphones and social media “steal” attention and life in real time by hijacking dopamine and fragmenting attention, harming adults’ peace and relationships and damaging children’s development and teens’ self-worth. It also offers practical “phone reset” steps.
Guest backgrounds
No guests appear in the transcript; it’s hosted by Rob Dial.
Key claims
Attention is “your life,” phones aren’t neutral, algorithms keep users addicted for profit, and screen time removes the “pause” needed for processing emotions and creativity. For kids, screens can worsen communication/problem-solving (JAMA Pediatrics study: 7,000 mother-child pairs; more than 4 hours/day linked to higher odds of communication delays). For teens, social media correlates with higher depression/anxiety and lower self-worth (JAMA Pediatrics study cited).
Notable examples
“Cocomelon” as an example of rapid shifting; “no phone at meals,” “no phone first 30 minutes,” and “replace scrolling with walking” as interventions.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Stealthy Thief: Phone Addiction
1:50 to 3:38
Exploration of how phone addiction stealthily steals moments from our lives.
“So it is the perfect morning routine.com.”
Attention Over Money: A New Currency
3:38 to 6:09
Discussion on the importance of attention as a more valuable resource than money.
“I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't.”
The Fragmentation of Attention in Adults
6:09 to 7:40
How phone use fragments attention and affects mental well-being.
“Children are spending too much time on their phones.”
The Loss of Sacred Pauses
7:40 to 9:27
Understanding the loss of moments of pause and their impact on creativity and self-awareness.
“And so one of the saddest things that's happened, like the biggest things that phone have stolen from us is this pause that we have in our life.”
The Loss of Sacred Pauses
9:30 to 10:55
Understanding the loss of moments of pause and their impact on creativity and self-awareness.
“Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com slash mentor.”
The Importance of Connection for Children
10:55 to 13:20
Emphasizing the need for real connections for children's emotional development.
“Now it's just like there's a pause, boom, we pick up our phones, right?”
The Impact of Screen Time on Development
13:20 to 14:00
Discussing studies linking excessive screen time to cognitive delays in children.
“There was a study that was done by JAMA Pediatrics.”
The Impact of Screen Time on Children
14:00 to 18:13
Explore how excessive screen time and social media negatively affect children's development and mental health.
“Communication is built in the serve and return of human interaction.”
Strategies to Combat Phone Addiction
18:13 to 23:06
Learn practical strategies to reduce phone use and foster healthier connections with family and self.
“You don't notice it until your kids don't want to talk to anymore.”
Strategies to Combat Phone Addiction
23:31 to 24:42
Learn practical strategies to reduce phone use and foster healthier connections with family and self.
“Who knew Walmart business could help a thriving office motivate their employees?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Running a small business, then you know it can be stressful. Having to hire actual real life people and then figure out payroll and benefits, that can send you into a spiral. JustWorks is the payroll, benefits, and global hiring platform to unburden your brain from all the complicated small business stuff. They handle the things you can't afford to get wrong so you don't have to worry. You can spend less time spiraling and more time doing the things you love. You don't have to worry when it just works. Hey, a bad hire can really cost your business and a great hire can really accelerate your business.
0:30Running a small business means every hire really matters. A bad hire can cost you time and money and momentum and a good hire can help grow your business immensely. Finding great talent isn't easy when you don't have the time or resources to sift through resumes. LinkedIn's new hiring pro screens candidates for you. So instead of sorting through applicants, you can spend time talking to only the right ones. Get started by posting your job for free at linkedin.com slash dial. Terms and conditions apply. Who knew Walmart business could help boutique bed and breakfasts elevate the guest experience?
1:01Terry knew. She uses Walmart business to get the items she needs for all the properties she manages. I'm in charge of creating an amazing stay for every guest in 12 different properties, which I do through food. Like gluten-free bagels for the hillside property or low-sodium saltwater taffy for the bayside one. And when she needs more than just groceries, Walmart business has her covered too. From mini fridges to mini shampoos, I can get it all in one place. It's Walmart, built for your business. Who knew?
1:35Welcome to today's episode of the Mindset Mentor Podcast. I'm your host, Rob Dial. If you have not yet done so, hit that subscribe button so you never miss another episode. And if you want to master your mornings, go to theperfectmorningroutine.com right now. I created a free video and guide to help you create the perfect morning routine based on science for you. So it is the perfect morning routine.com. Today, I want to talk to you about something that I genuinely believe is stealing people's lives in real time and not in like a dramatic villain movie type of way, not in like someone that breaks into your house, ties you up and steals 10 years of your life.
2:13It's something that is way sneakier than that. It steals your life while you're sitting on a porch in front of a beautiful sunset that you're not paying attention to. It steals your life while you're sitting on the couch next to someone that you love. It steals your life while your kid is trying to show you something that they've made. And the whole time, it convinces you that you're not really losing anything. You're just checking your phone, or you're just scrolling for a second, or you're just responding to a message, or you're just watching one more video. And then one day, if we're not careful, we will all look up and realize that we have spent thousands of our precious hours staring at a glowing rectangle instead of living our lives in this ridiculously beautiful, magical world that we were born into.
3:03And I don't say that to shame you. I shame it because I'm in this with you as well. We're all in this. And these devices, these phones that we have are designed by some of the smartest people on earth to hijack the most primitive parts of your brain. So if you feel like your phone has this weird little tractor beam attached to your soul, you're not weak. You're a human and your nervous system has been basically hijacked and is hunted for attention. So I don't want this episode to scare the shit out of you, but I really, really hope that it's a wake up call for you. So let's go ahead and dive in.
3:37We used to think that money was the most valuable thing that you could have. Money matters, sure. I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't. But today, there's something way more valuable than money. And it is your attention. Because your attention is your life. Where your attention goes is where your life goes. If your attention goes to your relationship, your relationship will grow. If your attention goes to your body, your health will grow. If your attention goes to your purpose, your purpose will grow. if your attention goes into nature or silence or prayer or journaling or friendships or laughter or your children or creativity or movement, all of those will make sure that your actual life will grow.
4:17But if your attention goes to a feed that never ends, your life starts to feel like this weird thing where you're technically alive and still breathing, but you're not like really here inside of your body. Like you're breathing, you're functioning, you're paying the bills, you're answering emails, you're liking posts, you're sending memes. But are you really here? Like really here? Or are you just living your life through a screen watching other people pretend to live their life? So I want you to understand something when you look at it. Your phone is not neutral. Social media is not neutral. The algorithm is not sitting here going, well, you know what would be really good for Brittany today?
5:01maybe she should call her mom and go outside and drink water and remember that she is a beautiful soul living inside of a meat suit having a temporary human experience. That's not what it's doing, right? The algorithm has one job to keep you there to keep you addicted. It doesn't care if you're happy, doesn't care if you're healthy, doesn't care if your marriage is falling apart, doesn't matter if your kids are trying to get your attention. It doesn't care if you go to and anxious and wake up exhausted. It cares about one thing. Can we keep this person looking? Because the longer that you look, the more money that it makes off of you.
5:41You are the product. And that means that your attention and nervous system and dopamine and insecurities and curiosity and your loneliness and your outrage and compassion and boredom, all of those things become monetized. And that should piss you off a little bit. Not in like, hey, I'm helpless kind of way, but like, oh, I forgot that I'm the one who gets to choose my life kind of way. And so I want to talk about what phones are doing to adults first. And then for those of you with children, I really need you to hear the studies that are coming up on kids and phones and screens because, you know, adults love to talk about their kids and their screen time and say, oh, you know, they need to get off their phone.
6:25Children are spending too much time on their phones. It's ruining their brain. And then they're checking their phone 197 times a day. You know, like we're all sitting here like, oh, these kids are addicted nowadays. And then, you know, we're hiding in the pantry, scrolling on Instagram away from our children, like an addict trying to hide their addiction from their family. Right. Like, so if you look at that, if you look at an adult. What's it doing to us? It is fragmenting our attention. You cannot build a deep life with a shallow attention span. You cannot build a deep, meaningful relationship when every quiet moment gets interrupted by a notification.
7:03You can't build a focused brain when your brain has been trained to need dopamine every 14 seconds. And you cannot build deep peace when the first thing you do in the morning is inject the entire world's panic into your nervous system. And then your nervous system is sitting there and it's like, dude, we've been awake for 90 seconds. Can I like pee first? And this is why so many people in the world feel overwhelmed before their day even starts. And they're so anxious and depressed. Your brain has not evolved to hold the entire planet's problems in your mind, let alone in the first 90 seconds of waking up.
7:40And so one of the saddest things that's happened, like the biggest things that phone have stolen from us is this pause that we have in our life. These sacred little moments where you're waiting in line or you're just sitting in a red light or you're standing outside and being bored and like looking around and letting your mind wander and allowing it to just chill for a minute. Like those moments used to be where your brain would process your life. Like that's where your creativity and new ideas would pop up. That's where you heard the little whisper inside of your head. You know, the little whisper that said like, man, I'm so unhappy at this job.
8:22Or you thought to yourself like, man, I really miss my friends. Or like you thought to yourself, I should actually go after that dream. And we will be right back. Running a small business, then you know it can be stressful. Having to hire actual real life people and then figure out payroll and benefits, that can send you into a spiral. JustWorks is the payroll, benefits, and global hiring platform to unburden your brain from all the complicated small business stuff. They handle the things you can't afford to get wrong so you don't have to worry. You can spend less time spiraling and more time doing the things you love.
8:54You don't have to worry when it just works. Mint Mobile plans are only$15 per month. Wondering, what's the catch? There isn't one. There are no gimmicks and no gotchas. Just unlimited talk, text, and data, fast, reliable coverage on the nation's largest 5G network, and an award-winning care team. That makes Mint Mobile a catch. Since switching to Mint Mobile, I've stopped stressing every month when my phone bill hits. I'm paying way less, my service still works great, and honestly, I wish I would have switched sooner. To get your new wireless plan for just$15 a month, go to mintmobile.com slash mentor.
9:29That's mintmobile.com slash mentor. Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com slash mentor. That's it. There's no catch. $45 upfront payment required equivalent to$15 a month. New customers on first three month plan only. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees, and restrictions apply. See Mint Mobile for details. Every business is asking the same question. How do we make AI work for us? The possibilities are endless and guessing is too risky, but sitting on the sidelines is not an option because one thing is almost certain, your competitors are already making their move.
10:06No more waiting. With NetSuite, by Oracle, you can put AI to work today. NetSuite is a unified suite that brings your financials, inventory, commerce, HR, and CRM into a single source of truth. That connected data is what makes your AI smarter. So it doesn't just guess, it knows. From software and IT services to healthcare, equipment manufacturing, financial services, and many other great American industries, NetSuite delivers a customized solution for your business. Whether your company earns millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you stay ahead of the pack. If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, get our free business guide, Demystifying AI at netsuite.com slash D-I-A-L.
10:45The guide is free to you at netsuite.com slash D-I-A-L. netsuite.com slash D-I-A-L. And now back to the show. But we don't have that pause anymore. Now it's just like there's a pause, boom, we pick up our phones, right? And we don't let ourselves feel anything. We don't let ourselves heal anything. We don't let ourselves process anything. And then we wonder why we feel so disconnected from ourselves and from other people. Of course we do. You can't hear your soul whisper when your phone is screaming at you. You know, your fears will scream at you. Your inspiration will whisper. And if you're constantly overstimulated, you will never hear the whisper.
11:29So that's what's happening when you actually look at what's happening with adults. But if we talk about children, we really need to talk about children. This is super important for me as a father. Hopefully it's very important for you if you are a parent or if you have nieces or nephews or whatever, grandchildren. Because this is where I really want parents to wake up. This is not shame. Parents are exhausted. They're overwhelmed. They're super unsupported. I understand. I get it. And sometimes the screen is the only reason why dinner gets made or why you get 10 minutes to breathe, right? I get it.
12:04And it's not me saying that you're a bad parent. It's me saying this. We need to be really honest about what kids' brains need. And a child's brain is not just a smaller adult brain. It is under construction. Their nervous system is being built. Their language is being built. Their emotional regulation is being built. Their attachment system is being built. Their sense of self is being built. And the building materials are not just good food and good quality sleep. The building materials are eye contact and conversation and play and movement and nature and boredom and touching things and facial expressions of the people in front of them, conflict repair of co-regulation, like real world exploration.
12:56They don't get from a screen and kids learn emotional regulation by borrowing your nervous system. That's how they actually build their own. A screen cannot co-regulate your child. A screen can distract them. It can numb them. It can entertain them, but it cannot look them into their eyes and say, I see you. You're safe. Let's breathe together. That is what children need. There was a study that was done by JAMA Pediatrics. More than 7 ,000 mother and child pairs. They started screen time with these children at age one. And their developmental outcomes, they studied at ages two and ages four. And what they found, there's a thing that's called the dose-response relationship.
13:42More screen time at age one was associated with a greater risk of cognitive delays, especially in their communication and their problem solving. Children with four or more hours per day had much higher odds of communication delays. Like that should stop us in our tracks because communication is not built by passively watching something. Communication is built in the serve and return of human interaction. a baby makes a sound the parent responds a baby smiles the parent smiles back a baby points the parent names that thing that little back and forth is what creates the brain architecture for the child it looks simple it's not simple it's literally building your child's brain and when you're putting on these things like insane shifting and moving and switching every single second i don't know anything about it but i've definitely never put on for my son when i've seen other kids watch it.
14:40It's like Cocomelon where it's insane and it's one bright colors and things going from one every two seconds is shifting. That's training your child's nervous system, their attention span, right? So you have to start thinking about what you're putting your child's brain in front of, right? Then you look at like, it's not just children, it's teenagers as well. When they become teenagers, now the danger shifts, right? Now we're just not talking about passive screen time, we're talking about social comparison. We're talking about body comparison. We're talking about likes and comments and exclusion and seeing everyone that's hanging out without you and the filters that make them compare themselves to someone who's put filters all over their face.
15:21And now they have beauty standards and these algorithmic rabbit holes that they can go on. And you have to understand the constant feeling that everyone else is better off and prettier and richer and happier and more successful and more wanted and more loved and more included. Do you remember being 13 years old? How hard that was? Like middle school? That you're already insecure. You're already hormonal. You're already trying to figure out who you are. And then you're carrying around a device that gives you endless evidence that you're not enough. That's not a phone, that's a comparison machine for a child, right?
16:01And the research shows that all of this matters. Like it causes sleep disruption and negative self-image and interpersonal trust, right? Interpersonal trust. That means social media can start shaping whether kids feel safe with other humans. That's terrifying because humans heal through humans. And if a child start seeing other people as threats, as competitors or judges or audiences, they lose the very thing that they need the most. That's connection. And the scary part is that the teenage brain is also still developing, which means social media isn't just influencing how teens spend their time.
16:41It's not just like they're just wasting time on it. It's actively shaping how they see themselves and their self-worth. There was a major study by JAMA Pediatrics as well, and they found that teenagers who spend time on social media and screens showed significantly higher rates of depression and anxiety and emotional dysregulation and lower self-worth over time. So this isn't just like, hey, let them have a phone because their friends do. This requires more of a looking at this and saying, what type of adult do I want to raise and does a phone support or hinder that? It's that kind of thing. And so the question I really want us all to sit with is like, what is our phone costing us?
17:28Like really think about that. I don't mean like financially. I mean like spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, creatively. What's it costing, you know, your marriage, your relationships, your relationship with your children? What's it costing your kids? What's it costing your dreams? What is it costing your sleep? What's it costing your peace? What is it costing in your ability to hear your own intuition and your own wisdom? Because the bill always comes due. And the scariest thing is that we might not notice the cost of all of these things until years have passed and we become fully addicted to these things or our children have become fully addicted to these things.
18:13You don't notice it until your kids don't want to talk to anymore. Or your marriage feels like you're just roommates living in the same house. Or your body feels like shit. Or your dreams feel so far away. Or you realize that you spent most of your alive years watching other people's lives on a phone. And so what do we do? Like, what do we do? I'm not, once again, I'm not trying to scare the shit out of you. I really just want you to wake up to this, especially if you have children, start actually really thinking about this. You don't have to be perfect. We need more intention with this, right?
18:47So let me give you like a practical reset. The first thing I think is super important, I say this all of the time, is make sure that you do not use your phone for at least, at least the first 30 minutes of your day. I would recommend 60 to 90, but at least the first 30 minutes of the day, right? Do not let the world enter your nervous system before you enter your own life. Wake up, breathe, drink water, go outside, journal, move, Be a human before you become a consumer, okay? Another thing that I would recommend that's just a standard thing that's important for you that we have here in my house is no phone at meals, right?
19:23Food is connection with other people. Dinner's not just calories, it's where families attach. It's where friends will bond. It's where your nervous system remembers like, oh yeah, I belong here, like I belong to these people. Next thing that I recommend is replace scrolling with walking. if you're someone who does feel like you're addicted to your phone, when you want to scroll, I recommend walk, even if it's just for five minutes, especially outside. If you can't go outside, if it's snowing, you got a treadmill, it's a rainy day, whatever it is, get on the treadmill if you need to, right? Just five minutes at least.
20:00Train your body to seek regulation in movement instead of digital sedation, okay? Next thing I recommend is have hardcore, for like phone bedtimes, times where your phone is not allowed to be used, right? And so, you know, like maybe you say at seven o 'clock, you know, I come home, I'm usually home by 6.30, seven o 'clock, my phone is done for the day, right? Put it in a different room if possible, because your sleep is not like an optional thing. Your sleep should be one of the most important things that you protect, Okay? So have some like phone bedtimes. Next thing is please, you have to understand you need to give your kids boredom.
20:43Let your children be bored. Boredom is not a problem to solve. I'm going to say that again because I think it's really people think it's a problem. Boredom is not a problem to solve. Boredom is one of the most incredible doorways to imagination and creativity and ideas. It is necessary for your brain to have moments of just boredom and nothing going on, okay? And then the last thing that I'll say, start focusing on building a life that you don't want to escape from. Like this is a really big one because sometimes we're not addicted to our phones. We're addicted to not feeling our lives. hmm think about that sometimes we're trying to escape the fact that we don't like the life that we built we don't it's too hard to change right it isn't too hard to change but it feels like a lot so you got to ask yourself like what am i avoiding what do i need to face what do i need to build who do i need to call you know like what what dream needs my attention because one day we will die.
21:51Super light ending, right? Whoa, super light. Wanted to really hammer it home with you. But seriously, right? One day this whole thing ends. This body, this meat suit, this wild human experience, it ends. And when that day comes, I don't think that you're going to care how many likes you got. I don't think you're going to care how many videos you watch. I don't think you're going to care about the comment section. I think you're going to care about whether you lived or not, whether you loved, whether you paid attention, whether you felt the sun on your face, whether you had experiences, whether you looked people in their eyes and had meaningful connection, whether you built something meaningful in your life, if you followed your dreams, like whether you actually live this life that you had.
22:36So please find some more moments, put your phone down, go outside, You know, look at the sky, touch grass. Like literally, I know a lot of people say that like as an insult now, but touch grass is one of the best advices that you can get on the internet. Touch grass, hold your children. Like look at them, look at those beautiful little eyes and that little face, those chubby little cheeks. Hold your children, kiss your partner, take the walk, have a conversation, build a life because this world is way too beautiful to miss just because you're looking down. So that's what I got for you for today's episode.
23:10If you love this episode, please share it on Instagram stories. Tag me in at RobDialJr, R-O-B-D-I-A-L-J-R. And if you want to create the perfect morning routine, once again, you can go to theperfectmorningroutine.com right now and get it for free. And with that, I'm going to leave you the same way. I leave you every single episode. Make it your mission to make somebody else's day better. I appreciate you, and I hope that you have an amazing day. Who knew Walmart business could help a thriving office motivate their employees? Pamela knew. She uses Walmart business to get the assortment of items her team needs at the prices she loves.
23:40As the office manager, it's my job to make sure my team stays on top of their game. I can get the basics like cleaning supplies and paper towels. But what they really care about, snacks. And she can get everything they need when they need it. Greg loves wheat crackers, Brenda Crave Sour Candy, and Max, oh boy. He needs protein bars and milk and applesauce and turkey. Built for your business. Who knew? Guys, let's face it. As we get older, we can't just skip sleep and eat whatever we want and still feel great the next day. But if you're entering your men's health era, you know it can feel complicated.
24:12Sprouts Farmer's Market makes it easier. Not only does Sprouts have the high-protein foods, nutrient-dense organic produce, and innovative snacks your body craves, it's also got the newest supplements, vitamins, joint support, even creatine to help get you feeling more like you used to. Whether it's men's health or any other health journey, it's easier at Sprouts Farmer's Market. Hey listeners, Rob here. Thank you for tuning in to the Mindset Mentor each week. If you want to hear new episodes ad-free, subscribe to SiriusXM Podcast Plus on Apple Podcasts or visit SiriusXM.com slash podcast plus to listen with Spotify or another app of your choice.
From the publisher
Want to create a morning routine that actually works for you? Download the free workbook here: theperfectmorningroutine.com
Feeling stuck? It's time to take back control. If you're ready to master your mind and create real, lasting change, click the link below and start transforming your life today. 👉 http://coachwithrob.com
The Mindset Mentor™ podcast is designed for anyone desiring motivation, direction, and focus in life.
Past guests of The Mindset Mentor include Tony Robbins, Matthew McConaughey, Jay Shetty, Andrew Huberman, Lewis Howes, Gregg Braden, Rich Roll, and Dr. Steven Gundry.
Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
