These Simple Investment Strategies Are All You Need w/ Oliver Trevena 💵 EP100

0:28Everyone told we don't do a beverage and everyone was right. a path to profitability invest ladies and gentlemen welcome to the money mondays this is gonna be a very fun episode because we have our first dog being featured on the money mondays but that is not the guest that i'm actually excited about i'm just happy that he's here because it's super fun he's yawning right now i think i might be boring him we are here in our rv motor home outside of the toy drive. We're doing 10 cities in 16 days. This episode is either number 100 or 101. So I'm very excited for this episode with our special guest because he's got so many different facets that we're gonna talk about.

1:10Everything from acting, investing, founding a company and everything between. So we have some fun stories. But as you guys know, this podcast ranges from 32 to 38 minutes for your listening pleasure because the average workout is 45 minutes. The average commute to work is 45 minutes. So we wanna make sure that you guys listen to all of this. We have a 93 % listen-through rate because of that. So make sure episodes like this, you share with your friends, family, and followers because we need people in our society all over the world to talk about money. We all grew up thinking it's rude to talk about it.

1:39I think it's ridiculous to not talk about it. It's real life to talk about, what do you do with taxes? How do you ask for a salary? What do you do for accounting? Do you get a loan? Do you rent? Do you buy? Do you lease? There's so many questions that we don't know because in high school and in college, we just don't learn those things and we weren't allowed to talk about the household. The reason this podcast has stayed top 10 for 95 out of the 99 weeks so far is because of you guys having these discussions. All right. Without further ado, I want to get a quick two-minute bio from Mr. Oliver Trevina.

2:08And then after that two-minute bio, we're going to get straight to the money. What's up? Tell us everything. You want a bio from me? Oh, yeah. Oh, this is an awkward one. I'm about to lose your drop-off rate. That's about to go down. I mean, look, I grew up in entertainment. So I grew up in a town just south of London. um theater and dance was my upbringing found myself moving to america 20 years ago uh was meant to be in music kind of failed in music fell into a tv hosting gig did that for many many years probably about 12 years 12 years yeah 12 years of that and then uh while that was happening simultaneously started investing in companies um and was you know kind of part of companies in different ways as an ambassador and i just started to love that kind of i guess the way a company grows and how you grow it and how you tell the story the same as i love you know acting and and the same thing of how you tell the story and so i started doing that kind of went well gave me the freedom to make the jump out of hosting back into acting and now at the same time the acting started taking off i've started to produce a bunch as well oh really yeah very cool so okay hopefully that was a that was on the spot no one told me i was gonna have to do my own bio so so walk us through in the acting world, someone that's wanting to make money in acting, what does they do to stand out?

3:28Because there are millions and millions of people that want to act or they think they can be an actor. What are the things they can do to stand out if they actually want to get that first acting gig? I mean, I kind of always say, because it's been my story, like I think there are some people that, you know, luck is a massive element in our industry. And I think some people just get lucky, right? It's just any business, any industry, but especially entertainment, there's an element of luck. That wasn't the case for me. It wasn't an overnight success. It took a grind and it was just like, keep pushing.

3:56I think you have to be your own biggest workhorse. You have agents, you have managers, you have people around you. But at the end of the day, no one cares about your own career as much as you have to care. No one's going to work harder for your own career as much as you have to work. And so I think the mistake that a lot of people make and I made early on was, I got myself an agent. I got myself a manager when I first moved to the US and I was like, oh my god i've made it it meant nothing you know i i you have to be the one knocking on doors pushing yourself continue to train your craft um just when you think you've got it you haven't got it and you try a bit harder and i think that's why it's like it's really just a daily a daily grind always because as you know as we all know you know you've got to be your own biggest fan so going into switching about producing and actually investing financing some of these films walk us through how did you decide that was the time that i want to make the transition to actually be on the other side of the camera um i think for me the same way i started to then you know when i founded a company there's so many similarities at least in my mind the way that when you when you start a company it kind of crosses over into the way you start a movie right you find a script the script is like the the product right you gotta decide how are you going to tell the story of the product who you're going to tell it with you know what what the story is there's a lot of that that like goes into the industry of filmmaking as well what i'd experienced in my world of investing and creating brands and so you know i just wanted to kind of bring that into the movie stuff obviously my hosting days i'd met a lot of people i've seen a lot of people come up a lot of people come down um and and met people that i like working with and i think that was it i was like more than anything I was like, I want to make movies and I want to do it with people that I enjoy working with because it is like a bubble.

5:41You know, you end up in I mean, this year alone, I've done Bulgaria, I've done Serbia, I've done Budapest, Atlanta, Mississippi. You know, these aren't places that you I mean, maybe some of them, but they're not they don't pop up on last minute dot com. They're not the most desirable places to go and spend three months. So you've got to make sure you're with people that you like and you want to be around. So I love making movies because I get to like build my own train set, you know, from the director to the cast. You know, you get to have fun doing it. And I think that's more important than anything.

6:10You've got to enjoy what you're doing. And normally, if you create that kind of environment where people are enjoying it, you're going to get the best work out of people. You're going to get the best mindset and then you're going to make money. And I think, you know, movie industry especially has a horrible reputation because it's a horrible industry. There's a lot of dodgy people in it. There's a lot of people, especially in the producing world, that think very short term. It's like, how can I raise the money for this movie, make money, and it doesn't matter if I get my investors' money back because I would have made the movie.

6:39Well, the trouble with that is once you've made that movie and you've made your money, you've got to find a whole new set of investors to go out to because you've burnt that current pack of investors. So there's a way to do it differently, a way to treat it like a business before the movie's been made, like to actually do the numbers and be like, what are the chances? Obviously, no one ever knows nothing's 100%. There's risk in anything. But how do you kind of remove the risk? How do you, you know, pre-sale? How do you, you know, make sure that actors you've got, you know, they've got a big year, not the year, current year, but the year ahead when you're actually releasing the movie.

7:13What have they got happening then? So I think there's a lot of things you can put into play that boost your chances and boost the movie's chances of success and then hopefully make your investors their money back and then make more movies. right so i'm still learning a lot i'm trying to surround myself with people that know more than me which in the movie business there's there's people that i really respect and i'm asking them a lot of questions and i think that's the key right is is listening learning from people that you respect and you trust whether it's movies whether it's business whether it's brands you know whatever it is so you mentioned starting a company that's you're referring to kelly water yeah yeah so talk us through you're busy you're acting you're in everywhere from mississippi to bulgaria and everywhere in between why decided to start this brand and tell us about the brand it was covid covid hit and uh i was i was kind of twiddling my thumbs um and i love the health and wellness space i'd already invested in next health as you know and so health and wellness for my own journey had become a big part of my life and i was at next health and i would have my blood testing done and my sugar levels kept coming back really high and uh basically long story short that was coconut water i was drinking about three coconut waters a day one in the morning one after a workout one in the evening and that was about 60 to 70 grams of sugar Oh, wow.

8:25Obviously, they're good sugars, but no one needs that much good sugar. And I went down this rabbit hole of what else is out there. You know, what else could be as a drink? What else could be done that has the same benefits, but has less sugar and less calories and came across prickly pear. Vanessa, my business partner, Vanessa Hudgens had already talked about prickly pear margaritas a ton. So I knew there was something there in the in that space. and that's when we came up with this kind of you know doing this together thing because it does have that like it's a health beverage it's digestion skin immunity hydration half the calories and sugar of coconut water and it's a hundred percent sustainable because the prickly pear naturally drains its juice so obviously you know especially now i think it's working in our favor because coconut drinks or coconut based drinks are struggling because they can't keep up with supply and demand of coconut you know to harvest the coconut now with climate change and everything takes a lot lot longer than what it used to and so we have you know cactus that's just naturally draining its juices and we're just you know amplifying that and and building that so i think timing is in our favor but yeah that was during covid um everyone told we don't do a beverage um everyone said it's a pain it's a complete pain in the ass and everyone was right it really is uh a tough business but i think we've tried to create something different by having talent actually invested in the brand, having talent be a part of the brand.

9:49We're not wasting money on marketing where other brands, you know, do it differently. Um, but it was a grind. I mean, literally, I remember there was this co-packer in Camarillo and I would drive there, which from my house was about two and a half hours. And I'd drive up there during COVID and I would have the flavor house, do a tasting. We'd take it up there. They'd mix the flavor a little bit. We'd get the sugar count, you know, we'd get the, the, all the, all the, the stuff that happens when you're trying to make a beverage and then i'd beg them to make me some cans and they'd be like no you have to make half a million cans i'm like i don't even know if i want to do this yet i just want i just want some cans and i would end up paying them i think at one point i was paying them like a hundred bucks a can to make a drink and i would make 20 cans and i found this i found this black suitcase i've still got it in my closet in the kitchen it's like a it looks like a briefcase but it's got foil on the inside and so i'd rock up to like some meetings with like friends or people that knew beverage and i would guard these cans with my life like i'd feel feel the people out like if i felt like it was a tinder swindler meeting i just wouldn't let them try the drink and if i felt like there was something there i'd be like try a can and i'd pull out a can from this briefcase like james bond yeah um which i still think i have ptsd because i open up my fridge now and i see cali water and there's something in me that still thinks i'm not allowed to drink one um yeah um but that was it and it was a grind and then we'd drive back and forth and and i'd bring the drink to Vanessa and she'd taste it and she'd have notes on the flavor and I'd drive back and then they'd be like oh our forklift driver got COVID the factory's now shut for four weeks and it was it was the biggest headache ever but there was just something in me that and maybe it by the way maybe all the people telling me that it was hard and I shouldn't do it probably helped me because I have one of those minds you know someone tells me not to do something I'll find every reason why I'll prove them wrong right so I think in a weird messed up way the fact that I got told by so many people do not do this it's a headache probably helped me you know so my former life 2005 2009 i had a beverage i was in 55 000 stores 43 distributors and i drove and flew to every single distributor wow and i literally would do what's called ride-alongs so right along is where oliver would go with cali water or i would go with my drink and literally it's like a budweiser truck and jump in the semi truck and ride along to 24 locations for the day to help them want to want sell our products and here's why Budweiser driver wants to sell Budweiser he doesn't care about my drink or the water or the milk or the soda or anything else on that truck besides Budweiser because that's who pays him and he just gets a little bit of bonus sometimes or nothing for selling my drink and so we spend the time doing what's called ride-alongs where we literally go with them to the stores make friends with them give them 50 100 best buy gift cards get them excited to want to be part of our brand to choose from because Budweiser had a lot of other options, just like Coors, Miller, Pepsi, my other distributors.

12:42On the retail side, here's the hard part. Let me walk you through the reality of why Oliver has been told by some people it's hard. Let's say you go to a household named like Albertsons or Ralph's or Vons or Smith's, a big grocery store, and it's January 1st. And they actually say, yes, we'd like to buy Cali water will take one million dollars worth like oh that sounds cool but now oliver and his investors and friends have to come up with around four hundred thousand dollars to make a million dollars with the drinks but they want to ship it on april 1st so four months from now so he's got to front the money let's call four hundred thousand dollars and he's going to be shipping it four months from now on april 1st april 1st comes the trucks deliver they put it into the stores now the stores want them to do marketing and merchandising displays and pay for all that and they're going to pay oliver for cali water on net 60 terms meaning 60 days from the date of delivery that oliver shipped so it's april 1st he's going to get paid on june 1st but i don't know if you guys have tried cali water it's delightful and so it sells well so let's say it sells through like a 22 or 18 sell-through rate the chain store's like whoa we love cali water we want more oliver we'll take $4 million for the next order.

13:58Sounds cool to Oliver, doesn't it? But wait, he needs to come up with around$1.6 million to$2 million to make those drinks, and he hasn't been paid for the first million dollars. That's not due until June 1st or May, and now he's got to float. Do you see where I'm going here? And so when your drink does well, you need to have millions of dollars to catch up to manufacture for the distribution and wait. And again, on that$4 million order that he spends around$1.62 million, he's going to have net 60 terms again coming up a few months from now and the same thing happens but what if Albertsons and Costco and Circle K and 7-Eleven all want his drinks at the same damn time that's where we're at the crazy thing is I'm just going to share this before the podcast I said to Dan I've never really looked into Dan we just connected on socials and I just loved everything he was doing but I haven't looked into Dan to know his story and this is nuts I had no idea yeah so i did that for 1999 in 2009 i had the same brand but i had an energy drink from 2005 2009 and we were number seven out of the 900 drinks on the market and it's uh difficult it's a grind and in the early days as well i will say there's so much that doesn't make sense i remember trying to get a distribution company to bring us on and they'd say we love the drink but you need to get 60 stores yourself or 50 stores yourself and i'm like okay we can do that and then every store we would go in literally me and Vanessa would show up in they'd be like oh my god we'd love to take you we'd love to take your drink on who's your distributor exactly and we'd be like we haven't got one we'll come back when you've got one we're like well we can't get one until we've got the stores and it literally was the most mind-blowing thing I was like what you can't win this like you can't everything is set up to make a beverage fail right every every way of working every way they do a contract every way as you say the terms everything and that all then started to come back to my mind of you were right like all these people that said don't do a beverage why didn't i do a toilet paper company you know everyone's got to wipe their ass every day i should have done that that's why dude wipes is the second biggest brand in shark tank history oh i didn't even know that they only have one investor mark cuban and they never need to raise money again there you go because everyone's got up against them man wipes um but yeah it's it's tough but i'm glad you know we've we started to get nice momentum now and we've we've you know we're growing and growing and i think that's a lot to do with the fact that you know we really focused on the product first yeah it's good thank you appreciate it it's important um and now we have kids pouches as well which which is amazing so so over the last three years i raised 56 million dollars for food and beverage brands and consumer products almost all was actually beverage brands and the reason for it is i would find brands that already had 29 000 stores 16 000 stores 4 ,500 stores, 31 ,000 stores.

16:42Those are the actual numbers. And so they had something I could pour gas in the fire. If someone was starting from scratch, I'm not in. God bless you. I'm wishing you luck. But let me know when you've got a couple thousand stores under your belt. You've dealt with the distributors, the manufacturers, the headaches. There's still more headaches to come. But at least I want to see you fight. I want to see you fight through the struggle first. The reason I like the food and beverage space is because when you get it right, it's a big victory. There's been recent sales you guys have seen of beverage brands that have had humongous like whoa like numbers because they're getting sometimes six to ten x ebitda or getting 2x gross sales let me give you guys a quick example for a large company like a kellogg's or you know the huge brands that have massive distribution in the cereal space the beverage space etc it takes them on average 125 to 175 million dollars to really launch a brand 75 million to get it going 125 to 175 to make it big where it matters to them on the bottom line so they'd rather buy cali water for 150 million or 300 million range to save them two years and 200 million dollars they'd rather give you 300 million dollars or whatever the number is to buy it to save themselves time and they're not gambling on if people the consumers like their new drink that they spend time on any money and time they spend 125 million for example to make a new drink for two years they're taking away from their core brand like coca-cola pepsi gatorade etc they would much rather buy your brand cali water for a couple hundred million dollars to save themselves time and they know that people already like it right and they've got the distribution risk is removed right and the day they buy you it's actually free here's why they give you hey oliver here's 300 million dollars for you and vanessa we everything's great your investors are happy that day their stock goes up by two dollars a share and it actually goes up by like a billion you're free right and they call up all their distributors like hey guess what guys you're going to start taking this drink.

18:34They take you from$90 million in sales to$500 million in sales like this. Yeah, just by pushing a button. Like literally nothing. Yeah. All right, so let's go into, we talked a bit about the making money side and the beverage side. So basically, I should have come and done this podcast about two years, three years ago. And then I would have been fine. We talked a bit about the making money side and some of the business side. Let's talk about investing. You invested in Next Health. You've invested in multiple brands. Why do you enjoy investing into brands and what makes you say yes? I mean, I've enjoyed it and I've not enjoyed it.

19:05I think the enjoyable part is I generally like to pay it forward. Like I would not have a business if people didn't believe in me. And I like hearing a founder and believing in their vision. I think it has to be what I've learned, right? Because I've had investments go wrong is the founder has to know how hard it's going to be. Yes. You know, I've invested in what I think is some of the most incredible stuff and it just fell apart because the founder just wasn't in it, you know? and I've invested in things that had the potential, but the founder wouldn't step away, you know? And I learned a lot through that, which is why when I did Caliwater, as soon as I had the momentum, I was like, I'm getting a president.

19:43And I work for my president, you know? He tells me what I need to do for him because he knows beverage. I don't know beverage. And I think that's what I've learned is like the ego of a founder can really crush. It doesn't matter how good the product is, how innovative it is, how creative it is, how brilliant it is without the right founder, either to run the company or to step away from the company when it's time, it will crush it. And that's why, you know, I've had some that have done well and some that, you know, haven't gone under, touch wood. But I've kind of wrote off my investment. You know, like I'm like, I probably never see this money again.

20:21I'm close to saying which ones they are, but maybe I shouldn't. But it's been interesting. It's been interesting. but I'm grateful for the lessons because that every, every, you know, investment I made and learned led me up to then when I founded a company, what I wanted to do and what I didn't want to do, you know? Um, so, you know, there's always, there's always a value in the lessons, whether they're good or bad. So you're out in an event and I like to enjoy what I invest in. That's the other key. Like, cause then you're in like, I, I love going to next health. I enjoy it. You know, worst case if for some reason that, I mean, that company's doing incredibly well, But if worst case something happened, I've enjoyed it.

21:00I've had a good run. So enjoy what you're investing in as well. So I tell people I only invest in companies that I can help. Right. So if you do heart surgeries, God bless you, I can't help you do heart surgeries. You make sweaters with hearts on them, I'm your guy. Right? I can help you sell a million of those. And so I try to be very, very specific to it. Even if something is appealing to me, if I don't know the industry and I can't help them, I don't want to be what's called dumb money. I don't want to just put in$25K,$100K,$500K, put a check in. and not be able to help yeah i want to be able to help yeah and that's why i like food and beverage space and i like this category because i can help them get more famous i can help them with connections etc um but yeah it's important what he was mentioning is that if you find something that you like or you find something that you trust you need the founder to be what i call ride or die i need a founder that they're at the convention and at 11 20 pm the plumbing goes out and the water breaks and it's all over the booth and it's you know the booth is flooded he's going to show up or she's going to show up at midnight to go fix it.

21:58And she's going to be there. He's going to be there cleaning it if she had to not just be like, Oh, I'll deal with in the morning. Yeah. You can't have that. You need someone to ride or die because no matter how good a business is or how good a brand is, stuff's going to happen. Headaches are going to happen. Problems are going to happen. Lawsuits are going to happen. Employees are going to leave. There's always going to be frustration in situations throughout the course of a business. And you need an entrepreneur that's ride or die. It's really ready to go to war. A hundred percent. And to your point, that's exactly what I've been learning is like, it's like there's stress in the beginning.

22:26It's stressful to launch. Then it's stressful when you launch. Then as you get bigger, it's more stressful. And then as you continue to like scale, it's more stressful, you know? And I think we're in a, we're in a time where it's really hard to, to find your people as well. Finding those ride or die people that believe in your vision as much as you do. I think that's changed now because everyone just wants to do it themselves. You know, it's a, it's a quick, quick fix world of being like, well, I just want to do my own company it's like well that's not how it works right now you're like you learn a lot with another company and then you go and do your own thing i think it's hard to find people that really want to put in the hours and the time and the blood sweat and tears when it's not their company so let's say you're at an event and you meet an entrepreneur she's she's amazing she's got a company she's doing a couple million bucks in sales she's like oliver i would love for you to invest in my company what are the things you want to see from that founder for you to actually to say, you know what, I'm going to put 100K into this business?

23:17I want to try the product, whatever that is, obviously. I want to know how they got to where they are, like their own journey. I think, you know, just to gauge like how much work it's taken them. And I don't mean this in an arsty way, but, you know, if they were like, oh, yeah, my dad gave me half a million dollars and I started a protein bar company and this is where I'm at, you're like, oh. If they've, you know, put the work in. And by the way, that could be the case. that could have given half a million and they put blood, sweat and tears and turned it into two million. Great. I'm all ears.

23:49So I want to hear their story. I want to hear the founder's story away from the product. I want to hear the founder's story of what they've done with the product and where it's at now. And then I want to try the product and then hear hear their vision for it ahead. And hear those like kind of flags of like, you know, if they're if they're holding on to this company for dear life forever, you know, if they hold on to their equity for dear life forever, all those things that, you know, can really bite you in the ass. so at the same event you meet this really nice gentleman who's just raised a round of funding he's got 5 million bucks for his first feature film and he wants you Oliver to be in his first feature film what are the things you want to see from him to be able to say yes or no I would actually put my name likeness and time to be in your movie I mean the first thing I'd probably say is why are you picking me because there's more bankable actors right now yeah I mean once again I'd be like i'd try and dissect it and be like what are we making why are we making it what's the end goal you know um it really is it's you know it's it's it's sadly it's referred to as the movie business but i think people just refer to it in their mind as movies people forget the business part so i think the same way i would you know i wouldn't ask the questions of how they found it and all that but i would ask the guy why do you want to put this money in um what kind of movie do you want to make um and i think that's the other thing with movies like sadly it is what it is right like thriller action horror you know they're movies that tend to return your money because you can make them for less if someone came to me and was like i've got this amazing story you know i i love making amazing stories i'd love to be an actor in an oscar-winning drama there's a lot of risk there you know when people make an 80 million dollar movie that's talking about climate change it's needed to be made is the return on that gonna come back it's tough you know um so i think looking at it from a business it would be be a lot of that it'd be like what story what story do you want to tell where's the script how good is the script who's telling who's directing it who's doing it's it's exactly the same package it's it there really are so many similarities when you think about when you start a brand and you've got the president and the team of people around it and that it's the same thing you know if you've got a good team and you've got a good package and you've got a path to profitability invest whether it's a movie whether it's you know man wipes um whatever it is you know i think i think it just it has to make sense and obviously nothing's ever going to make there's risk with everything you know um and that's just the nature of the beast and that's because the world we live in who knows what's around the corner you know there are another covid that then shipping costs go through the roof and then your margins slashed no one knows there's risk but that's the exciting thing about investments is there is risk of course there's risk if there wasn't risk there wouldn't be any investments everyone would just put their own money in you know um so it's exciting but yeah i would i would ask him a lot of the same questions as i'm asking someone who's making a product on the movie side would you ever do a passion project like jeremy piven is doing the performance and the performances he's on tour right now with it because it's it is in the yeah in line to hopefully get an oscar or at least a nomination for the oscar so he's very excited but it's taken him years and years yeah we talk about all the time and i'm i love his passion behind and i've now gone to multiple of his premieres for it but it's because it's about the holocaust and about a you know a tap dancer in the holocaust and he cares about the story yeah have you ever thought about or would you consider taking on passion projects in between 100 yeah i've got i mean there's a couple of things that I'm working on right now.

27:27I guess I'm just more, I like to be transparent, right? So if I'm sitting with an investor or someone that's going to put money into my movie and it's a passion project, I'm saying exactly that. I'm saying, mate, this is a passion project. Read the story. If it resonates with you as well, I believe we can make something amazing here, but obviously it's not a story that suddenly brings in sales because it's not, you know, a Blumhouse horror film sure um i think just transparency if you if you're transparent and you you communicate no one can ever you know bite back at you for that you know and i think that's the you you'll find your people you'll find your people that are like you know i'm just trying to think of something like very passionate just say it was like a story of a footballer right and it was you know half the world still doesn't know i mean the world knows football but you know over in the u.s as in soccer it's still trying to get there so as as much as it's a big sport people try soccer movies a lot and sometimes they just don't work.

28:23But if I found this story of a soccer player and I wanted to make this story, deep down I know there's a risk there because it's still not, you know, the soccer movies have never taken out. But if it was my passion and I sat with someone and said, look, mate, I know you love football, you know, you've got a few hundred million. Are you prepared to lose a few million? Maybe I say, yeah, maybe we take a shot. 100 % believe you've got to do, with most things in life or life in general, you have to have a balance of the stuff that pays your rent and the stuff that makes you happy you know because otherwise what happens is and i've been there um i don't know why that just made me a bit get a bit emotional because i've literally been there where you're too busy thinking about the money stuff right and you and even if you're lucky enough to get the money stuff you're fucking miserable yeah you know because you're lacking that soul that the passion the things that we you know as kids dream about the things that really wake us up in the morning And I don't mean wake us up in the morning with an alarm.

29:23I mean the stuff that jumps us out of bed. Yeah, without any fee attached. All right, no coffee, let's go. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's the stuff that for me, I've been on both paths. I've been on the path where I've chased money and got what I dreamed of and realized it did fucking nothing for me and I was miserable and I was sad. So I am always conscious of juggling in life enough that I can still live the life that I want and have the success but I'm not going too far down that path where I forget what actually makes me feel good and what actually makes me feel alive and I think to you know reason we're here today when I walked into the the toy drive I was blown away because that you know the give back stuff and the paying it forward stuff people bring up to me all the time be like why'd you do so much of that and I'm like because I am a self-obsessed prick if I am not treating that and by treating that I mean it's the most simplest thing it's not not therapy is good it's not I'm not saying it's not but it's not therapy it's not anything like that it's just doing something for someone else without wanting anything in return that is it that that cures my overthinking it stops the self-obsessed mind it stops the fear of am I good enough is my business good enough am I gonna fight it cures all that because you're suddenly doing something else for someone else that has a lot less for you and they're probably smiling and happy you know so that for me is the balance in life that I'm always constantly trying to get and don't get me wrong I'll have a few weeks where I completely veer off track and I'll have a moment I'll be like what am I doing what am I spinning about you know it's mind-blowing and it is you know that's the other thing it's we're always a work in progress just when you think you've got it figured out something happens in life slaps you around the head and and I'm like where did all that you know all those life courses and therapy and everything and all those books i read and now i'm suddenly a 13 year old again spinning it about the most stupid shit you know so um understanding that it's always still a work in progress speaking of the toy drive we have to go back out there but one final thought so we're going into 2025 there's i feel like a tailwind of energy in our society there's stock markets up cryptocurrencies up people are outside and wanting to go back in life and events are full like people want to be around each other what would you say to someone going in 2025 of how they can decide what they what their passion is like how can i call it tasting it go try out movies go try out film go try music go try making clothing go try music like whatever the things that you might think about what did you say to people like they're trying to figure out what their next thing is how do they find their passion i would say pick something that you're ready to give your everything to and is gonna make you happy even if it takes you a long time to make money from it yeah that would that's what that's what I'd say where can people find you on social media just my name at Oliver Trevina that's it any projects come out 2025 any movies I just finished one in Budapest a comedy that I produced that we're really excited about uh paris jackson rory colkin crispin glover amazing cast uh mark boone jr will peltz um i'm excited about that and then next year i have two more movies start in january and february um that i won't say because we haven't announced them yet i don't know the time in this thing um but it's exciting i'm honestly i'm very feel very excited and lucky and grateful to be going into ending this year and going into next year i appreciate you being here i know you're busy You travel around the planet with Caliwater.

33:03You're filming for movies, TV shows, all these things that you're working on. And luckily the dog is here with us. Doug's fast asleep. Fast asleep. All right, guys. As you know, with the Money Mondays, it's very important to spread these messages with your friends, family, and followers. It's important to talk about money. It's important to have these discussions. So if you can share, like, comment, subscribe, check out Oliver Trevina across social media. And we'll see you guys next Monday on themoneymondays.com.