In short
Euro 2025 tournament preview and England’s group “of death,” plus discussion of tournament routines (base camp, wall charts), key Lionesses to watch, and standout teams/players (Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Wales, Switzerland).
Guests
Ben Haynes, former England player/retired footballer, currently in Switzerland covering/attending Euro 2025; Alessia Russo, Arsenal striker and England forward (discussed as a Golden Boot contender); Lucy Bronze, England defender known for a wall chart tracking scores and potential matchups; Rachel (Rachael) Daly, England/Villa player and co-host; Millie (Millie Bright), England player and co-host.
Key claims
England’s group is tough but not uniquely so; Wales can’t be overlooked; tournament success depends on starting fast and using every squad role.
Notable examples
Lucy Bronze’s wall chart filled after each match; Ben’s nostalgia for Euro 2017/2022; Spain’s midfield control and “ruthless” finishing; Germany’s ruthless attack and organized defense; Sandy Baltimore highlighted as a France threat; Pena (Spain) predicted to shine.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOReflections on Retirement and FOMO
2:46 to 4:00
Ben shares his feelings on missing the Euros and nostalgic memories.
“I'm really intrigued to know, have you had any FOMO yet?”
Life in Zurich and Team Dynamics
4:22 to 5:40
Ben discusses his experiences in Zurich and reflections on team bonding.
“Hot like it's really hot I'd be dying then I heard you two talking about how basically at home we're not prepped for things because we don't have air conditioning.”
Memories from Tournaments Past
5:56 to 10:15
Hosts share funny and memorable moments from past tournaments.
“and you know when you were saying about how you guys were like obsessed with the basketball?”
Life Updates and Personal Moments
11:15 to 13:40
Hosts share updates on their personal lives and recent experiences.
“Just before we move on, just quickly, something that we have to do.”
Plans for Future Adventures
13:45 to 14:01
Discussion about future holiday plans and the need for adventure.
Personal Reflections on Time Off
14:01 to 15:27
The hosts share their experiences and habits during time off, discussing the balance of relaxation and productivity.
“No, you'd have the tattoo and I'd be the, what's the one that always gets locked up?”
England's Group of Death
15:28 to 16:54
Discussion about England's challenging group in the tournament, focusing on the competition they face and their strategies.
“Ben, talk us through England and their group.”
Entering Match Mode
16:55 to 18:58
Insights into how players transition into match mode upon arriving at camp, focusing on preparation and mental readiness.
“You know where you're going to be from first thing in the morning almost to last thing at night, every day building up to the games.”
Lucy Bronze's Wall Chart Tradition
18:59 to 20:16
The hosts discuss Lucy Bronze's tradition of filling out a wall chart during tournaments and its significance to the team.
“The night before Yeah Obviously you went to base camp yesterday Ben I'm sure you probably saw a lot going on around there but Lucy Bronze is really good at like, she always has a wall chart, doesn't she, Mil?”
Spotlight on Young Talent
20:17 to 22:28
Discussion on the promising young players in the Lionesses squad and their potential impact in the upcoming tournament.
“Can I ask who you guys are looking forward to watching out of the Lionesses?”
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Alessia Russo for Golden Boot
22:29 to 23:24
The hosts express their confidence in Alessia Russo potentially winning the Golden Boot based on her current form.
“just like be like, all right, even if that's my 10 minutes, I'm going to make it the best 10 minutes.”
Analyzing Competitors: France and Wales
23:25 to 26:09
In-depth discussion on key competitors in the tournament, focusing on France's attacking power and Wales' determination.
“who do you think they'll be picking out from France that they need to not worry about, but they'll have to compete with?”
The Strength of Teams in the Tournament
26:10 to 28:00
The hosts talk about the overall quality of teams in the tournament and the importance of not underestimating any opponent.
“So I don't think any team is to be, yeah, just overlooked, to be honest.”
Previewing the Tournament
28:00 to 29:33
Discussion on the strengths of various teams heading into the tournament.
“Working hard can take its toll, but your relief doesn't have to.”
Analyzing Spain and Germany
30:38 to 37:20
In-depth analysis of Spain and Germany's strengths and key players.
“Welcome back to the rest is football daily brightness.”
Looking Forward to Key Players
37:20 to 42:00
Discussion about standout players to watch in the tournament.
“And also, because if you take what you were saying earlier on about Lucy's wall chart, I feel like every day, particularly during the group stage, there's going to be a massive game that we can all get stuck into.”
Gratitude and Reflections
42:00 to 43:30
Learn about the hosts' personal experiences and gratitude during their week.
“And I like, I get so nervous about packing to go away for a long time.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Before we get into today's episode of Daily Brightness, we just want to say a huge thank you to our proud partners, Shaw, for being with us from the very beginning and what a start it's been. I think the reaction to our podcast so far has been nothing but positive from our family, from our friends, from our teammates, from our fans. It's been really nice to see all the positive reviews and feedback, so keep that all coming. Yeah, I also think that we've probably learned a lot about ourselves and me and Rachael always talk about this podcast. you know it's more than just us chatting it's actually like a little therapy session and I've actually learned a lot about myself and I feel like it's given me the confidence to open up a little bit more and show that more vulnerable side so yeah it's been really really refreshing and we also get to appreciate all the things that we've achieved Rach everything you're achieving with Villa you know the form at the end of the season me getting my 200th in the WSL and talking about all our accomplishments the hard times yeah it's becoming a really nice platform actually and I'm really enjoying where it's going but thank you to everyone for the amazing support.
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2:20Hey everyone, welcome to The Rest is Football Daily Brightness. Euro 2025 has now officially began with the opening games in Group A taking place last night. Very excited to say we have someone very, very, very, very special joining us today and throughout the tournament to give us some extra insight for our coverage of the Euro 2025. So without any further ado, our special guest for the summer is Ben Haynes. Hey, guys. Woo-hoo! How we doing? Party poppers. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Thanks for coming on. How are you two getting on? I'm really intrigued to know, have you had any FOMO yet?
2:59Do you want to know? That's so weird because everyone keeps saying to me, like, oh, you know, how have you been since you retired? blah blah blah and I was like fine like honestly fine and then last night it was all over my tv about the euros and I was like oh this is my first tournament that I've not been to like this is weird and obviously the nostalgia of winning the euros last time yeah I'm a bit not fomo but I was like a little bit woke up with a bit of a oh I wish I was there kind of thing are you the same pretty similar I think when you see the girls like getting on the boss and I then instantly remember like me and Rach like looking back like holy shit we're going to the Euros like and you're just getting on the bus and you know what those players are experiencing right now and it's just pure like excitement like get us there get us on the pitch get us at that first game and obviously with with the games having kicked off it's yeah it's like we know those emotions what everyone's feeling so it was a little bit like oh really wish I was there but then I think another side is super excited to watch it from a different perspective as well aside that I've you know neither of us I've ever watched it as as a fan and I think this is going to be the highest you know quality Euros we've seen or tournament to this day I think it's going to be like super competitive so really excited but how are you obviously you're out there just for anyone listening Ben is out in Switzerland which is why it's going to be super cool to have him on the pod throughout the Euros but yeah how is it?
4:22Hot like it's really hot I'd be dying then I heard you two talking about how basically at home we're not prepped for things because we don't have air conditioning. So we just melt in England. And I've just transferred that out to Zurich. So I've got here and I'm just sweating. Like it's absolutely boiling. It's good fun and it's beautiful, but it's properly warm. I think the other thing, what I went down to, I just kind of, you know, when you get to a major tournament for the players, they go and almost do that thing like you're on holiday where you go like run around and look around the hotel and you go and see for you guys, it's like the games room and all of that.
5:00For me, I was like, right, I want to go for a quick run around the city and just kind of take it in a little bit. And it is stunning. Zurich is beautiful. It looks like a toy town, but the Lionesses have done so well. Have you seen the hotel they're staying in here? It looks like Magic Kingdom. I think the one thing that England do really well is making sure a base camp is sick. Like it's your home away from home. like even in in england obviously we were in the lensbury and that was so the way they did it you just you just feel like it's home do you know what i mean like it's such a nice vibe but also they take into consideration everything like like you said the games room like we absolutely rinsed the shit out of the games room in your rooms didn't we mill every day you know they give you things to do like i know it sounds stupid but like coloring in or making bracelets or you know just things to like keep your mind busy and like because ultimately you do have a lot of downtime when you're there.
5:50So I think England have always done so well at getting that right. I spoke to Ellen White the other day and you know when you were saying about how you guys were like obsessed with the basketball? Yeah. She was saying the same thing and she like almost felt a bit bashful about it. She was like, I wasn't on there all the time. I was like, Ells, you're protesting quite a lot for someone who wants to try and make it out like you weren't on it all the time. Excuse me, Miss Ellen White. You was on it every day for hours and we would have doms in our shoulders and we came out like we were like shoulder boulders honestly like we were absolutely henched by the end everyone's like been training shoulders I was like no I've just been playing basketball just on basketball for five hours but back to your point on exploring I do think it'd be great you've now gonna have to send us pictures of everywhere that you explore yes I will definitely I'll go and have a little sort of mooch around the city and and try and take it in a little bit particularly because I was trying to remember the first time that I would have worked with you guys properly with you two together and I was thinking about in 2019 do you remember like I think it was maybe Deauville you were in a really similar thing it looked like a castle yeah it looked like something from Beauty and the Beast and you were staying in this huge hotel that looked exactly the same um and I just remember thinking at the time that was really really similar that was almost like a little postcard and I Mills do you remember this I got you to do like a takeover for me on Instagram for the company I was working for at the time and so we gave you a load of questions from fans and said like I think it was like 10 questions that you had to do and the last one was um which one teammate would you recommend that people should follow on Instagram?
7:43Who do you reckon you picked? It better have been me. Most likely Rach. And we got a special guest appearance from Rach in this as well. I've got to show you this. Who did I say for that? You did say Rach, don't worry. Yeah, of course I did. God, you're getting in my head there. Listen to this. One teammate that you should definitely give a follow on Instagram is RachDaily. in other names rd3 she's a bundle of joy she's always messing around and gives really good content on instagram follow me and i love the fact right that you always say like no no we're just always together and she was literally just sat in the back of the video you are literally always together when you're on those camps do you know what was really funny about that hotel i'm surprised you're even able to get any content from Millie because Millie that in that hotel like I did everything bar wipe her ass in that hotel because she had like explosive diarrhea the shit like sickness like the worst bug you could ever imagine all while all while having one arm it was that's when I absolutely demolished my shoulder that was Erin Cuffbert actually you little cow she knocked me out and completely did my AC joint remember Rach when we was on the plane and I was like get me time get me time it's exploding my shoulder's exploding that's when they had to inject my shoulder before every game for me to even like run jog anything and we got split up didn't we because we were supposed we obviously were sharing a room back then and then it was like oh Emily's gonna have to go and get another room because she's literally Rach we came in we came in from training and I kept saying to Rach I feel a little bit sick and we came in from training and I was just coming through the hallway but I just went and sick just flew honestly just flew everywhere and then I was literally stuck in this massive like it was like a four-poster bed as well like I can't even I can all I can remember is that but the bedroom was sick and then I did my shoulder and I was so ill and it got to a stage where Phil was like right if you can't eat anything by this day I'm gonna have to like not play you like I was that ill so are you like at that point are you trying to like force food down?
9:57You're like, I've got to prove I'm good. Oh, God, no. For two days, I was literally like, it was bad. Like, Rach, they both end bad. No, literally, because all the doctors and everyone's are like, everyone stay away from Millie. She's so poorly. And she's like, Rach, I can't even move. I come to her bed and she's like this. Ben, I had one arm. I literally was in excruciating pain with one arm. My AC joint was completely gone. I tore my ligament. I know I'm going to be getting an injection ready for the next bit. I'm like, Rach, I cannot put on my panache. or socks. I can't even do my hair. I can't wash.
10:28You're going to have to wash me. She had to put me in the shower and everything. See, this is why I love this podcast because no one's ever finding this out at the time. No one would have had any idea at all. Genuinely, I think the only thing I didn't do was wipe your arse. Yeah. But even that was a struggle for you because you had one arm so you're like... I was like, pass me to LaRoll. Let's bend everything, Lily. I'll give you a little wipe. We did everything else, so... That's when I really needed one of them toilets that you press a button and it just jet washes you. I needed that. So bad.
11:04Oh, amazing. We've totally gone off topic here, haven't we? You feel like we're talking about some football now? Yeah, yeah. I think we probably should. Yeah, 100%. Just before we move on, though. Just before we move on, just quickly, something that we have to do. We have to do a little check-in. So, Rach, how's your week been? Any news? Any more DIY? No, I've got... Oh, how's Louis? that's all I've got time for honestly I feel like I'm losing the will to live it's like having a baby before Ben I was getting like interrogated by reaching these questions should I get another dog what's it like will it be like this what if this what if that I was like I have three you'll cope you'll be fine but Dexy is a queen you were an enabler yeah she was you were like yeah it'd be fine it'd be fine and then now I bet you're not sleeping literally but I had Dexy from a puppy and she is honestly like a rare breed.
11:54Like she is the easiest going dog you've ever met. Like never had any moment of bother with her ever, right? In comes fucking Louis, lunatic Louis. He's an absolute bundle of joy, but it was really stressful the first few days because she hated him and she was just going at him. So nasty. Honestly, I was like, I cried. I was like, what have I done? I've made such a mistake. I'm like, I'm going to have to send him back. Like now they're honestly getting on like a house on fire, but he is like one big bundle of energy. But other than that, he's great. Is he crying at night? No. So he doesn't, he sleeps really well during the night.
12:32He always gets like a solid eight hours. So if he goes down at 11, he'll wake up at seven, like on the morning. I love that. If he goes down. Like an actual baby. Give him a bottle of milk and shut him up. But it's in the day. like that's what I'm struggling with at the minute like if I go out to training in the morning and I'm leaving him for a couple of hours I put the ring doorbell on him so I can see what he's doing and he just howls he'll stop eventually but it's getting better it's getting better I've only had him for just over a week so he's good how are you Millie just had a couple days um in London actually that's my little little holiday till Christmas so um yeah just was so nice to just escape switch off completely just do normal things go get nice food love that um and I was burnt to a crisp I will say that bad milli moment didn't put my sun cream on but it was just so nice to escape and just yeah forget everything and everyone really and just have a little bit of milli time which I'm trying to do a little bit more of so uh yeah it was good but now I'm I'm ready to get back to training now and you know go to the my next step in rehab and push on um so yeah I'm getting like that itch now I need to train.
13:44Mills when you stop when you have like a few days to yourself are you one of those people that it takes ages for you to like chill and sort of almost get calm again or do you just sort of completely switch off straight away and go right this is my time I'm gonna relax? I feel like I go through like waves of like I'll enjoy my time and then normally so like this whole last week I've had like a whole week off which has been really nice so before we went to London I'd have like a chilled day and then I'd spend one whole day cleaning because I'd feel guilty for doing nothing and I'd be like my mind's like do this do this do this like I've got all my shutters booked in like for new shutters and new um new blinds in the house I've been I have to do something I have to so I'll have one day chilled then I have to do something then I'll have a chill then I'll do something say if I was on holiday though I'd like be active like all the time I can't just quite similar like that yeah I'm just a bit pickled aren't I like if I have too much time I'm not good with my head so I need to keep a ticking have you guys gone on holiday much before together no never that's one thing we need to do it's going to be carnage I say we go Vegas I say Vegas I was just going to say I'd be the hangover.
15:06That'd be me with the tattoo. Honestly. No, you'd have the tattoo and I'd be the, what's the one that always gets locked up? That'd be me. Yeah, probably. Or lost on their own. Yeah. That'd be me. You know, one of you come with all your teeth knocked out as well. I'd be in the room with the tiger, to be honest. That'd be me. Caesar's Palace. Right, let's talk about some footy. Ben, talk us through England and their group. Like, what's your projections? I'm a bit torn on this, right? Because everyone's calling England's group the group of death. Everyone's saying this is the hardest group in the tournament.
15:43And I think it's a bit of a mixed bag. I think there's a couple of other tough ones. But you can guarantee when the balls came out and you saw Netherlands and France, there would have been a bit of Serena Viegman sitting there going, oof, could have done without that. And you know what she's like Obviously she's incredibly direct She's never going to say That's really frustrating She was like it's a great challenge They're great teams to play against But it's going to be tough for them right Because they're going to have to start really fast And there isn't room I'm trying to remember for you guys In 2022 it kind of felt like You grew into it a bit Is that fair?
16:23You kind of built momentum Well look at the first game It was Austria but even that game like the first game opening game and because we'd had such a good run up to the last Euros everyone expected it to be like a 5-0 everyone just wrote Austria off but it was one of the hardest games like your first game is always the hardest one because you like finding your feet like you said you're getting into it but it almost feels with our group there's no time to do that but I think that is the way the Euros will be anyway I think every game is a tough game I think everyone's overlooking Wales which I think you should not do at all a team that's coming in for the first time you don't really have anything to lose and they're a good team they've got that grit they've got that fire they've got that like never die mentality um and in a tournament anything can happen so with our group there's no time to like hang around like it's like you said you've got to go you've got to get in there straight away how quickly after you arrive do you go into match mode because i know people maybe listening might not know this but you kind of almost have every bit of your time allocated, right?
17:30You know where you're going to be from first thing in the morning almost to last thing at night, every day building up to the games. So how quickly after you get to camp do you start thinking about the first game? I think pretty much straight away because I think you almost go from prep camp, which is just like getting your feet on the ground, like getting prepared for the tournament. It's almost like you're waiting for it a little bit, aren't you, Mil? Like it's like training, training, training, training, training. then it's like it hits you then you get there and you're like all right torn up mode like say walking into the hotel seeing all the things set up and like everywhere around switzerland i'm sure is euros euros euros i think obviously the girls watching the game last night it's it's exciting i remember in even the world cup mills like we just used to sit and watch the games all the time didn't we in that little room and you just get really ready for it i think like as soon as you get there we start analyzing as well don't you i think when you first arrive you've probably like you said everyone's running around like oh my god look at the hotel this is this oh my god my room's this my room's that you kind of like set your little bits up like we'd always unpack and get everything straight and you know you want to be at home that's your home and then I think once that's out the way you then very quickly as soon for me as soon as that first game's played like the girls like Rachel had watched it last night then it's like we're in tournament mode like and then you start analyzing you start thinking oh like depending on you know what team it could be let's say Norway for instance you'd be like oh Norway could be like a tricky team or whoever's playing you're starting to like think about like who you could potentially come up against what players are like in really good form and once that first game kicks off like you said then it's then you just want your game to arrive and you're like you almost want to like not train and just be like give me the game I want to play now Do you know when do you know whether you're going to play or not?
19:13The night before Yeah Obviously you went to base camp yesterday Ben I'm sure you probably saw a lot going on around there but Lucy Bronze is really good at like, she always has a wall chart, doesn't she, Mil? She always puts the big wall chart up. So like she'll have like the whole spread of the Euros and like after every game she'll fill in all the scores. So it's quite exciting. Like, especially when you come back from your game and you've won to like fill that in and be like, oh, we've won. It's like old school, like newspaper cutout and you used to fill them in. Oh, amazing. Tick them off, like tick your games off and you've always got that final insight.
19:41Like it's on the board, it's on the chart. Yeah. You've got every game that you could potentially play in and it's always like you keep one eye there, but this is where we are and we've ticked that off next one so you just get closer and closer it's really nice to see Will she be doing that this time do you reckon? Does she do it every time? I would have thought so she's always done it it's really it's cool though because it's like you say everyone gets amongst it so you come in and it's filled in in the morning and it's a nice little thing just to see like where you're at and like oh if we get round of 16 who do we get here who do we get in the quarters like what will it look like and oh that'll be a great matchup in that quarter final sort of thing so yeah I really enjoyed that.
20:18Can I ask who you guys are looking forward to watching out of the Lionesses? Is there anyone that you think maybe will surprise people a little bit? I'm LJ. Aggie. Well, I think Aggie, just because she's like, just seeing her progression and like her growth as a player, but also as a person, like I think it'll be a really like proud, I'll be like a proud big sister moment. But also I think she's really like stepping into her own and she's really starting to show like a mature side. and yeah, I just think she's going to hit the ground running and whatever part she plays, she's exciting, she's scoring, she's assisting, I think she's really going to showcase.
20:55But I think all the youngsters, to be honest, it's like a new era now for the Lionesses and I feel that in football in general, the next generation are really starting to come through. But yeah, LJ, like Rach said, I think that's a no-brainer, she's going to light it up, isn't she? I think just watching her the other night, Like, she's just got that spark back again. And it's like, it's literally, it's like, it's by no means arrogance, but it's just pure, like, she just pisses confidence. Like, she gets the ball at her feet and it's like, come on then. It's almost like, come at me. Come at me.
21:292v1, let's go. Like, honestly, it's magic. And obviously you train with her every day, Mil, and I've obviously had the pleasure of being with her at England and stuff. And that girl's magic. Like, you meet one of them players in your lifetime and she has got that swag, like she can just turn it on and I just think she's phenomenal. But I agree with you, Mil, like the youngsters, it's a really exciting time. There's so many of them that have never been to a tournament before. Like Aggie has obviously done well and come on and impacted in every game she's played. And it's almost like you get that vibe of like less in the last year, Rose.
22:04Like was absolutely shining, like training, she's bossing it, like comes on every game and just makes a difference. and it's like not saying that, you know, she hasn't got a chance to start at all, but if it is Alessia that is the starting number nine, you've got Aggie, like what a great super sub to have. And you need them in tournaments. You need players like that, that no matter what, they can just come in and just determine what the game's going to be like. And just thrive, no matter what opportunity you're given, just like be like, all right, even if that's my 10 minutes, I'm going to make it the best 10 minutes.
22:34And that's what Rach is saying, like tournament football, You need every single player to play their part, no matter how big or small they see it, to the team, it's massive. Even if you don't play any minutes, but you're the best player in training every single day, it's the hardest role to play, but you're giving to the team. That was Euros 2022. That's why we won, because our bubble was so tight, and everyone did absolutely everything they could do, whether they were starting, finishing the game, not playing at all, in the stands. Everyone did absolutely everything. But it's going to be exciting.
23:08I think the quality of the tournament is just going to be class, to be honest. I am backing Alessia to be golden boot, though. I've just got a feeling this year. This year's her year. She's done so well with Arsenal. I don't know. I've just got Alessia. It's got a little golden boot written all over her. So I bloody hope so. When they're doing the prep this week, who do you think they'll be picking out from France that they need to not worry about, but they'll have to compete with? For me, I think that, yeah, they're so, they're raps, aren't they? We always say that every time you watch them, it's just like pace, pace, pace.
23:40But I mean, players from your team, Mel, Baltimore, she has been outstanding this year. And honestly, one of my, I say it to you all the time and you'll have heard it in the podcast, I'm just like, Sandy Baltimore, Sandy Baltimore. I remember coming up against her, was one of the first times I played, one of the first times I'd played fullback for England. And I remember like she was only a kid and I was thinking, thinking, oh, it's all right, it's just a kid, come on. And I was like, who the fuck is that? And from then on, I was just like, I always sort of just looked at what she was doing because every time anyone would tell you who's that, I'm like, nah, watch this girl, she's so fast, so powerful.
24:16But I think, yeah, like you say, Mil, their front line is insane. Yeah, I think their attacking threat is probably what you need to like zone in on and nail. But I think, like you said, the likes of Sandy can play left back, left wing, turn nine. She's done it for us all season. She was left back for so long and then obviously with injuries and stuff moved higher up and then was one of our best attacking options. So I definitely think you have to also look at players that are coming off a really, really good season. I think that's something that I always look for is if a player's had an outstanding season, players will be zoning into Les because she's been one of the best this season.
24:55So they'll be zoning into that. Once you've got that momentum and you've got that confidence and you're in that really good place, you're firing and nothing really stands in your way. It doesn't matter who you come up against. So, yeah, I definitely think their front line is something to be aware of. But honestly, I think every team has got something in this tournament. I think it's anyone's to take. There's no weak teams in international football anymore. You know, in the past, there was always teams where you'd probably naturally just write off a little bit, like, oh, they probably won't get out of the group.
25:25or yeah, you know. But like, now I'm looking at it and I'm like, you can't write Switzerland off because it's their home nation. Like, anything can happen in a home tournament. Like, you know, there's so many teams. Like Wales, like you say, have been written off. Why? Like, they're so hungry. Like, yeah. If you don't start the tournament fast, that's, and you play Wales in your first game, they can take points off people. They can win games. Like, they can win games against top opponents. They've done it. They've done it in the games leading up to this. Who was the team? Was it Sweden? In the Nations League, yeah.
25:58They drew Sweden. Yeah. So I think it's like that. And if you don't start with your foot on the gas, you can very quickly find yourself in a position where you're like, holy shit, we've got to win our next two games. Otherwise, we're out of the group. So I don't think any team is to be, yeah, just overlooked, to be honest. And I think starting a tournament is the hardest thing. The quality is going to be so high. The crowds are going to be bigger than ever. Everything's different. So you can't even compare it to any other game previously. Just quickly, Mills, on Wales, how happy are you for Sophie Ingle?
26:33Because her recovery just looks like she's absolutely gone through the ringer to make sure that she's there. Yeah. Oh, I'm so happy for her. So proud of her as well. I think to get yourself back and put yourself in contention to go to a Euros is incredible. And, you know, it's been one of her dreams and a massive, massive target for her. Like, I must make the Euros. I want to be there. but she's so such like a team player as well she's worked so so hard honestly I'm buzzing for her when their when their squad came out and I seen her name I was just like oh like part of you is like please please please like put her in put her in um because you know what even if she doesn't play a huge amount she's someone that you want within your squad and she's she's a leader for them she was captain for a long long time and she's got a lot of experience and wisdom to to guide them so yeah she's definitely someone that sparks them and gives them that fire so yeah but I was so so happy for her.
27:26And just on just to finish up England's group as well Rach I feel like what you just said about every team having something when you look at Netherlands they're like a great example of that you look at their squad and then you just sort of player for player like oh my god their team's unbelievable. They're such a weird team I think because it's like I feel like their results of late like a bit hit and miss like you know like obviously they've suffered with a lot of injuries but on their day they are one of the hardest teams to play against I think like Mill you can say the same probably but the talent throughout their team they've got youth they've got experience like Miedema come on like let's let's just talk about her year do you know what I mean like they're so so so deep in talent so if they can get it right I do think there'll be a team to you know watch out for so again it's anybody's like this whole tournament is so obviously after the group games I'm sure we'll probably be sat here saying more clear of like what which way we think it's going to go but I think the Netherlands are such a strong side I agree it's scary because every team has so much talent and there's not like you try and look at different positions when you're analysing and be like oh we could maybe attack there or a little bit weak there but you literally look like front to back and you're like holy shit like every team is stacked like our team's stacked so it's like you you try and i don't know when you're playing against people you try and pull out weaknesses and where you can exploit and we can all agree it's going to be a very exciting tournament but i think we're most excited for our group and you know england at the top come on the girls but for now we're going to take a quick break and we will be back very soon Dirt.
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30:38Welcome back to the rest is football daily brightness. Time to have a look now at some of the other teams that will be competing. And I think world champion Spain seem like the obvious place to start. I always think whenever I watch Spain or whenever you watch Barcelona, it just looks so draining for the opposition. I mean, you guys will know this far better than me. It just looks like you're drowning. You are. You're treading water, mate. spending the entire time and you almost don't know whether to don't know whether to press them because you want to try and make a mistake and then counter-attack or whether you just sort of sit there and go do you know what you just have it do your thing for a bit and we'll just try and sit in and I think Bob Matty I mean good news that she's out of hospital and she's back playing because she had people don't know she had viral meningitis as well which is a little bit worrying but it looks like she's going to be okay and going to be able to get up to speed which is obviously brilliant because you want the best players playing at the tournament like you keep saying it was like so many talented players but you want to see the best players at the peak of their powers but for everyone else it's just a little bit scary that spain midfield when they get on the ball you just think just forget it you're not going to get the ball back off them yeah it is honestly it's exhausting not only physically but mentally because you know it is when you play against them you even if you know where the pass is going you can't you slightly you can't stop it anyway.
32:00You could be way in front and have read the game like a little bit before. They still get there because it's just, I've always said like they make very few mistakes. They're exceptional on the ball like technically, but we have seen teams do damage against them and you know, you see a little bit of a break in play or defensively. So, you know, I think about Spain is we've always said this, like every time we've been to tournaments and stuff, it's like, obviously they're so, so good on the ball, but I think in recent years they've been a lot better at this but I know for a few years before they obviously have just taken on the world but I think like they used to struggle to score.
32:39It was like they almost wanted to walk it in. So like their build-up play was insane. They'd get you on the back foot all the time, you know, backs against the wall. You're defending with like 11 people in the box and instead of like shooting they were trying to like walk it in. So I think that was where you were able to like really capitalise on Spain but now they're just, they're ruthless. And now they just shoot from 30 yards out and just curl it in the top corner. Peanut is a jerk. Wow, what a bear. Honestly, I think she's going to be the one to watch in the tournament. I think key, key player.
33:08Why is she so good? What is it about her? I think she's a little bit unpredictable. She's good to come inside. She's good to go outside. She can go 1v1. She's got an unbelievable strike. She links the player well. I think she's got pretty much all of what you want as a player. like in her ability and her position she's got it all well she can play more than one position she can play anywhere across the front line I think she goes under the radar like it's almost like obviously she plays very Spanish but I think there's parts of her game that are a bit not Spanish like the way she just can just strike the ball so from anywhere like sorry Mil but like when she scored against Chelsea like oh unbelievable finish I was just like she could just pick the ball up out of nowhere like a separation touch is insane touch bang goal every time like for her age as well to be able to read the game like that to already know what you're doing she's five steps ahead of you like and like Rach said to be able to execute like that but not even just on a one-off like consistently like she's been and that's I think this season she's done it consistently like for Barca and for Spain like she's not just had like one-off performances like she's been scoring on a regular basis like she's been performing on a regular basis even if she's done start she comes on and she's a super sober and like she's the one that has been making them tick a little bit But I feel like anyone that plays in the Barca team, I think it's quite easy to go under the radar because they've got so many big players.
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34:31You've got Pateas, you've got Bob Matty. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like they're always the starters and everyone else is kind of below them a little bit. But she plays with so much freedom. Like she just, and she gets stuck in. Maybe that's like the little Terrier kind of vibe as well, isn't she? She's quite short and like, I really think she's going to shine this tournament. Can you tell me a little bit about Germany? Because I feel like having won it eight times, they're always going to be in the conversation around the favourites tag. But they also just have this really, really ruthless attacking line, which is going to be a bit scary for people as well.
35:05I also think they've got extra motivation. Having came so close last time, obviously playing us in the final, I think they've got extra motivation this time. And I also think they've gone up a level. I think you've seen in their recent games, I think they've definitely brought new players in. They've got different personnel. but like you said, that attacking threat is no joke. You can never, ever, ever write Germany off. Like you say, it's the same in the men's game, isn't it? Like they've always got that like ruthless energy and that bite that, you know, you switch off for one second against them and it can be game over.
35:39And do you know what I think as well though, with Germany, like they're so close to Switzerland. I know that sounds stupid, but it's almost like a home sort of, it's only over the way, isn't it? Like it's, I don't know, I think you get, you do get a little bit of a competitive edge by doing stuff like, I wonder if there are base camps in Germany, for example. I don't know. But yeah, I think Germany is definitely going to be a team that I'm going to have my eye on going into the latter stages. I think Schula up top is a really good threat for them, particularly when you consider it was all about Alex Pop before.
36:11That must have been such a big weight for her to step into, almost like a bit of a shadow that she was in. And then Alex Pop moving on, it's kind of giving her a little bit more freedom. But I feel like she's playing as herself. And I think that's what's nice to see is whenever players leave the game, it's hard. And because people get so used to that personnel, when new players then kind of take that, it's almost like when Ellen left and Alessia came in, but Les played her game and she plays her way. And now it's the same for Shula, like she's playing her way. Whereas I don't ever think you should be expected to play the same way as the person before you.
36:47Like you bring something different and that's how teams evolve and get better. So it's exciting though. They've got a lot of players in that front line, but then I think equally defensively, they're just always strong and gritty and hard and like Germany, bodies on the line, they're not going to give anything easily. You're not going to score against them easily. I think defensively, they're always so organised. They're so tight at the back and you've got to have it all. You've got to have every part of your game solid in this tournament because I'm well excited for this tournament. I think it's going to be sick.
37:19I think the talent is so, so high. And also, because if you take what you were saying earlier on about Lucy's wall chart, I feel like every day, particularly during the group stage, there's going to be a massive game that we can all get stuck into. Because even while we were just talking about Germany there, Germany have got a really tough group. But their group is almost on paper kind of as difficult as England's as well, because you've got Denmark have got so many good players. You've got Sweden that have kind of got that thing that we were just talking about with Germany and that they've got loads of players that are probably doing their last tournament.
37:52And the manager doing his last tournament as well. So there's that whole thing of you've got to do it now or never. There's a lot riding on all these individual narratives that are really, really interesting as well. I just wanted to ask finally from me, who's that player that you're going to be looking out for that's not an English player but is in one of the other teams? You're like, I'm so excited to watch them. mine's Pena yeah I just think she's gonna just yeah eat it up to be honest I think she's already in that place of like confidence and momentum and like I said when a player comes off the back of a season in really really good form you're like okay let's see what you've got on the biggest stage like when the competition's at the highest it's been and the level of like the games is gonna be crazy like Ray said I think it's gonna be one of the best like I'm really excited to watch just no one do that against England please yeah stay away from England stay away who do you reckon the final four is going to be when we're sitting here at semi-final point England for sure Spain yeah I'm going to go Spain I say Germany and the fourth one I don't know because I don't know how all the diagrams work like who can get there I think we need a wall chart we definitely do don't we you've got one from Group D there you've got one from Group B and you've got one from Group C what about from Group A so you've got Switzerland Norway, Iceland or Finland who do you reckon is going to progress the furthest out of them?
39:23I want to say Norway I'm going to go Switzerland because of the home advantage I actually hope Switzerland yeah you can't rule that out like having the crowd is like the biggest thing and they'll have so much like confidence and like oomph and energy and like intensity put into their game just by it being a home like tournament so I don't think you can write that off. Right, Ben, I'm not sure if you're aware or not but we do this thing after every episode where we talk about three things that we're grateful for for the week. So you're definitely in this. You can either do one, two, three, whatever but it's just a nice way we always thought to like round off, I don't know, all the bullshit in the world.
40:02Like let's just be happy about some things and be grateful for it. And stop focusing on the things that we maybe don't have or things that are going wrong and be grateful for all the things that are going well. But it could be like the smallest of things. Like mine was like my new set of pegs because the wooden ones are shit and the plastic ones are way better because they don't break. Just little things, you know? I love this. I'm going to start and I'm going to say that I'm really grateful for Ben, for you being on our podcast, because do you know what? Look, I'm going to sound like a wet wipe here, but I think this is like our little baby.
40:36Like we love doing this. and whenever we had a conversation about who would you want on the podcast and we were like, we both literally went, Ben. Oh, that's so nice. So I am actually really grateful that you, one, want to be with us and two, just having all your little insights while you're out there. So I feel like I'm having less FOMO because you're just telling me what's going on. Oh, that's so nice. I'm probably grateful for two of you guys for having me on as well because it's such wicked fun. And I'm like when when the producers are saying to me, like, what, why are you coming on? What's one of the reasons why you're coming on?
41:14And the big things for me was like, because I'm properly nosy. Like, I want to ask loads of questions when you do the questions episodes. I'm always I always think of like four or five questions. I'm grateful that I'm going to get to whack in all of my questions. and one of my things that I thought I'd do ahead of this pod is I'll do my research. So I tried Rach's Marmite with poached eggs. How did it go? Like, it was bizarre. Properly mental. It should be illegal. Illegal is what it should be. Spanking. Get amongst everyone. Don't knock it. So you tried it. Do you know what, Ben? I rate that you tried it.
41:54Thank you. Yeah, I thought I'd got to give it a go. One more thing that I'm grateful for. I'm well up for the lake so here in Zurich people seem to just finish work for the day they just walk down to the water they drop their stuff and then they just go for a swim and it just looks like the most calm chill thing everyone just sort of sitting there reading books jumping in the water for a bit get out and dry off and then sort of go back it's just such a calm serene thing so I'm very grateful for that as well as one more thing I'll chuck in. My missus helped me pack. And I like, I get so nervous about packing to go away for a long time.
42:35I don't know whether you two had that when you used to go to tournaments. Rachel. Rachel. Ringing me. Have you packed this? You better not have taken an extra T-shirt. I've packed three. You better have only had three. How many changes you got? Just two. So yeah, we know the stress. Yeah, so she helped me pack. So I'm very grateful for her. I give her a shout out. Oh, shout out. That's nice. Really nice. What am I grateful for? I had a tough week, love. I am freaking heck. I had a really tough week. Holy shit, I'm struggling. Do you know what? I'm grateful for just having a couple days away in London and just appreciating life and trying not to worry as much.
43:22And yeah, that's my one gratitude. And I'm just going to stick with that one because I think it's an important one. Right, that is it for the rest of this Football Daily Brightness. Thanks so much to Ben for joining us and giving us such a great deep dive into all things tournament-related. We'll be back on Sunday with the next episode to discuss England's opening game and how the tournament is shaping up. Now that we're into the tournament and won't be following our usual schedule for releasing episodes, do make sure you are following or you have subscribed to the show. And thank you for all those that already have.
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