In short
The Rest is Football reacts to FA Cup quarterfinals and previews the semifinals, with heavy focus on Arsenal’s shock exits and Liverpool’s defensive collapse, plus Manchester City’s form and Haaland.
Guests/backgrounds
Micah Richards (former England defender, pundit); Alan Shearer (former England striker, pundit); Gary Lineker (former England striker, host).
Key claims
- Arsenal’s FA Cup loss shows a “wobble” and poor defensive execution; Southampton “wanted it more,” winning tackles/second balls and exposing space between Arsenal’s defense and attack. Arteta needs a “right of reply” quickly.
- Liverpool are “miles off” last season defensively; Van Dijk’s poor game and basic defensive errors are central. Salah also had a bad day, missing chances and a penalty.
- Man City look “back to their very best” for a stretch; Haaland is scoring again and City’s 4-4-2 balance suits their attack.
Notable examples
- Southampton vs Arsenal: Sensi/ Ross Stewart causing errors; Ben White troubled by Sensi; Arsenal’s rally late with a “decent goal” but still deserved Southampton win.
- Liverpool vs Man City: Salah missed a huge chance; Van Dijk involved in goals conceded; Liverpool couldn’t cope after ~1 hour.
- FA Cup semis draw: Leeds-Chelsea and Man City-Southampton.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFA Cup Quarterfinals Recap
0:59 to 2:50
Discussion of the recent FA Cup matches and their thrilling moments.
“the last two performances have shown they need to be better.”
Arsenal's Recent Performance
2:50 to 7:16
Analysis of Arsenal's struggles following their recent losses.
“Yeah, so we'll discuss the whole quarterfinal results and everything else in the games.”
Southampton's Tactical Brilliance
12:18 to 14:00
Praise for Southampton's performance against Arsenal and tactical choices.
“Use the code FOOTBALL, all uppercase, when you sign up.”
Analyzing Arsenal's Performance and Tactics
14:00 to 18:42
Learn about the tactical approach and performance evaluation of Arsenal's recent match.
“He made one mistake when he passed it across the back, didn't he?”
Liverpool's Struggles This Season
18:42 to 19:15
Explore the stark differences in Liverpool's performance compared to last season.
“A ship that really does need steadying is that of Liverpool, I would say.”
Manchester City's Resurgence
19:15 to 23:08
Discuss Manchester City's return to form and Haaland's impact on the team.
“I told you after Real Madrid, the second leg, when it went down to 10 men and absolutely battered Real Madrid in terms of possession.”
Problems in Liverpool's Defense
23:08 to 24:58
Examine the issues plaguing Liverpool's defense and player performance this season.
“We've always been, all been in those situations before.”
Leeds vs. Chelsea and Manchester City
28:21 to 29:29
Discussion on the recent Leeds game and upcoming matches.
“We'll discuss the other two games that have been played.”
Penalty Shootouts and Goalkeeping
29:29 to 31:32
Insights on the dramatic penalty shootout and standout goalkeeper performances.
“And Micah, you've got a little smile on your face.”
Disciplinary Actions and Team Attitudes
31:32 to 34:15
Discussion on player discipline and team dynamics in recent games.
“I mean, I still think we should do away with extra time.”
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Semifinal Draw Analysis
34:15 to 36:54
Analysis of the semifinal draw and predictions for upcoming matches.
“I think with all the pressure that we're seeing as being under recently and players are coming out and saying that, It makes you look weak as a manager, if you don't say anything.”
Transcript
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0:58Coming up on today's show, the last two performances have shown they need to be better. Simple as that. That hour was the best we've seen City this season. I don't recognise this Liverpool defence, but when Van Dijk's not playing well, that's when you've got a problem. Marching on together. We love you. Leeds, Leeds, Leeds. Come on, the boys.
1:21Alan Shearer:And if Leeds draw Manchester City, will you still be singing that song? Micah. No, I will not be singing it. Blue moon, let's hope he's standing alone. That's what I'll be singing.
1:47Alan Shearer:Hello and welcome to The Rest is Football with Micah Richards, Alan Shearer and me, Gary Lineker. We've had a fascinating weekend of FA Cup quarterfinal football. And we've just finished. We're recording this just at the end of the Leeds-West Ham game that certainly livened up towards the end and was concluded with a penalty shootout. Do you want to give us your customary chorus, Micah? Of course I do. Marching on together. We want to see you win. we are so proud we'll shout it out loud we love you Leeds Leeds Leeds come on the boys
2:29Gary Lineker:he wasn't singing about Arsenal last night was he?
2:31Alan Shearer:yeah but what will be interesting Alan is we're doing this right on the final whistle so the draw will take place in about 10-15 minutes time and if Leeds draw Manchester City will you still be singing that song Micah? no I will not be singing it blue moon Ooh, let's show me standing alone. That's what I'll be singing. Yeah, so we'll discuss the whole quarterfinal results and everything else in the games. But firstly, Arsenal, it's been a tough two weeks for them. They've gone out of the FA Cup after losing, of course, in the Carabao Cup final. So a little bit of a moment of panic, possible crisis.
3:16Alan Shearer:What do we think? A little wobble, Al?
3:20Gary Lineker:Yeah, definitely a wobble. And there's no doubt that I thought they were really poor yesterday. I think it's understandable that you can go to Wembley and get beaten off Man City. Really good team. Unbelievable manager who's done it all and won it all. And that's understandable. But then you're looking for a reaction. And the lack of reaction would worry me if I was an Arsenal fan because there was nothing there. They were really poor. It was a mistake. after mistake after mistake, particularly defensively. And he had a pretty strong team out. I mean, we've all been saying how great their squad is all season.
3:58Gary Lineker:So they had a good team out, a team that should have been good enough to beat Southampton, but take nothing away from Southampton. I thought they were absolutely outstanding from the first minute to the last. And yes, I guess the token point is how poor Arsenal were, but we have to say how brilliant Southampton were. They won every tackle, they won every second ball, and they were absolutely outstanding and they deserved to go through.
4:21Alan Shearer:You were both at St Mary's, weren't you? You were co-commentating and you were in the punditry role. Micah must have been quite a buzz there at St Mary's.
4:30Gary Lineker:Brilliant atmosphere, wasn't it, Micah? Oh, atmosphere was great, wasn't it? I keep saying this, but it was definitely one of the best atmospheres this season, without doubt. It was bouncing. Obviously, what game did I do? I did the Wrexham game, didn't I? and that was bouncing as well. But I think that's the loudest I've ever heard it. It was really good, really good atmosphere. The fans was all even happy before the game as well. They were just excited for the occasion and the moment and they really did deliver.
5:03Alan Shearer:It was a great game of football. Yeah, they played exceptionally well, I thought. Arsenal were off it. Now, I do want to throw something at you, whether you agree or disagree, I don't know. But it's also obviously easier in hindsight after they've lost. But I thought there was a slight signal of panic at Arsenal after the City game when they withdrew so many players or the players themselves withdrew from the international games that they're about to play. Most of those players featured at some stage during the game at St Mary's, either coming off the bench or otherwise. And I just wonder whether it showed a little bit of, oh, we need to, just a little bit of panic when you just need a bit of calm and confidence and perhaps it's good to let the players play international football.
5:52Alan Shearer:I don't know. It's easy to say that now, but I just wonder whether it just shows us a little bit of, would you not ordinarily do that? I'm not sure you would.
6:01Gary Lineker:I totally understand why they all pulled out because they're on the brink of history, Arsenal, and still could be. And I think that's really important to say that because it's still the two big main competitions. They would rather win Le Stilany. And they're looking pretty good. And they've got a good draw in the Champions League. And they're obviously going really well at the top of the Premier League. So I understood why there were so many pulled out. But there were genuine injuries. I mean, Saka didn't play. Declan Rice didn't play. Others didn't play who were pulled out. Some did. But regardless of who pulled out and who didn't and who was playing and who was, they still had, or should have had a good enough team to beat Southampton.
6:48Gary Lineker:And that would be the worrying thing for me is because if you, Southampton wanted it more than Arsenal did. And that would be a worrying sign for me because you can't, I don't care who or what you are, what players you play, squad players or not, you can't turn the form on and off just like that when you want to. Because momentum is such an amazing thing in football. In any sport. So that would worry me if I was an Arsenal fan, the way they were easily beaten. Yes, they had a bit of a rally in the second half and Jokeres got a decent goal. But no one watching that game will say anything other than Southampton deserve to win that game and we're the better team.
7:32Gary Lineker:And that would be the worrying thing. Just tactically, before I answer your question there, guys, I think it was nice to see Arsenal play a little bit more open football I would say they have been playing in that low block and then catching people on the counter attack. But I don't know if from where you was watching Al, they just didn't have the, I don't know, I don't want to say legs, but it's like they wasn't used to playing that far forward. And I know that sounds really stupid, but Arsenal are known for being very aggressive in the low block, hard to beat, and then give the ball to Saka. I really think they missed Declan Rice yesterday.
8:15The energy in midfield. Nogard had a poor game. Playing Havertz in there with Odegaard, very good on the ball. But getting back, all the things we've talked about Arsenal being good at this season, they just didn't do at all. And when they got the ball in certain situations, it's like the space between the defence and attack was so big and that was getting exposed against Southampton. So maybe Arteta looked at that and thought, we have to play our way to win the Champions League and to win the Premier League because if they play like that against a better team, they will get exposed.
8:52Alan Shearer:Do you think the fact they've lost these two games, won a cup final, won a quarter final, will affect the running?
8:59Gary Lineker:I think from confidence point of view, it has to. But you always get the right of reply as a player and I think the best thing is you need that right of reply in two or three days and I think they've got that. And that I think is the best thing that Arsenal could have is after, instead of sitting on it for a couple of weeks like they had to the Carabao Cup final, they've now got a great chance to go and rectify that and put in a big performance against sporting on Tuesday away. And if you could have said to them, those are the two big competitions that they want to win and they're still in them and still going strong.
9:33Gary Lineker:So that I'm pretty sure is what Mikel will be saying to his squad. I don't think there's any panic at all. I think we've all played international football. When you come back and everyone's been away, in answer to your question, I didn't think it was a panic from Arteta. I was thinking I'd more be on the side of Al. Basically, we've got a chance to win the Premier League. We're still going strong in the Champions League. I would have done the exact same thing. So I have no problem with that. In terms of your point, yes, probably there was a little bit of panic in there because they've gone so well and then they've not been playing well, but they've been getting over the line.
10:13This time, the last two games, it didn't turn up against Man City. And it's easy saying, oh, well, Man City have got experience, but Arsenal are top of the league. They're the ones that everyone was talking about. Could you deliver in a big, big moment? They didn't do that. Can you back it up in the FA Cup? No, you couldn't do that. But I don't think it's time to panic. I think it's time to say, okay, where did we go wrong? What can we do better? And the manager now has to be calm. The manager has to be calm and the players have to be calm. This is where you see who the leaders are within the squad.
10:47And I think they'll be fine in terms of the league, but the way they're playing at the moment. And I think recent form, they've sort of been papering over the cracks a little bit, getting over the line. But the last two performances have shown they need to be better. Simple as that.
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12:32Alan Shearer:I mean, we've already given Southampton credit, but I think they deserve a little bit more. I thought Sienza and Ross Stewart, I thought, were exceptional up top and caused Arsenal so many problems. And obviously that's a defence we're used to seeing being very dominant.
12:48Gary Lineker:Sienza gave Ben White an absolute torrid evening, didn't he? I mean, he was all over the place, Ben White. He didn't know what to do, couldn't cope with him. Ross Stewart, I thought, forced them in, Mosquera and Gabriel, into errors that you've not seen too many times this season. I mean, all three of those players that I've mentioned made huge errors and were punished, could have been punished more. And we've not seen that really at all from Arsenal. I think that tells you how well Southampton, in particular, those two players did. Yeah, I think you've got to give the manager a little bit of credit as well, Eckhart.
13:26I mean, he's just 33. And just watching his tactics, and you would see before the game, I think it was Kelly who asked him, what's the plan? He sort of was talking about maybe a weakness that he could exploit. And he just went direct. got the ball forward as quick as possible with quality and just pressed really high. But I think in terms of that, Stuart up front, he was pivotal in that. In terms of the way he held it up, the way he just kept running, tackling back. And his effort was just outstanding to see, especially because of the injuries he's had as well. So it was good to see him. But Howard Bellis looks a good player.
14:08He played really well. He made one mistake when he passed it across the back, didn't he? And it got intercepted. But he looked a really good outfit. It was a really good watch.
14:20Alan Shearer:Yeah, I thought they did exceptionally well. And also, their way tactically, they actually went at Arsenal. Yeah. And I wonder if that perhaps, because we're so used to teams, aren't we? Then penning them in and then they're shuffling it around. And eventually, it's like a war of attrition. They wear you down Arsenal. They'll score a free kick or a corner. But maybe this showed that perhaps this is the way to play against Arsenal.
14:44Gary Lineker:Well, they were brave, weren't they? They were definitely brave and they definitely had their belief. They just fed off the crowd. They had a great energy. Yeah, I was really impressed in how they went about it because, like I said, the manager came in and said, we're going to have a game plan and we think we can get at them and they might have one or two weaknesses, which is pretty brave even to say that, let alone think it. And he did. And yeah, I thought they were absolutely outstanding. And yeah, it was a great watch and it was brilliant to be there and witnessed everything about the energy and everything else that they brought to the stadium.
15:21I don't think teams in the Premier League play like that though, Gaz. You know, in terms of you're looking at that and thinking that's how you can get at Arsenal. Arsenal wouldn't be that high. They wouldn't be that high. Good point. and it's almost like they went into the game thinking we could just turn up. We've got loads of ball players. We have to give a shout out to Dalman because I think Dalman played well. On another day he scores a couple of goals. He just couldn't get his touch right in the last bit of it. But when you're looking at Arsenal and thinking Dalman's the best player and he's the best player for a couple of weeks now.
15:57He's turned 16, yeah. I think the senior players need to step up now. I really do.
16:03Alan Shearer:Obviously, Gabriel went off. ice on his knee. So that would be a concern. It'd be a big miss if he was out. The next game or two for Arsenal is hugely important. They need to steady the ship. There's no doubt. They've got a huge lead in the Premier League. It's a nine-point lead. Obviously, City have got a game in hand and they play Arsenal at the Etihad. So it could go down to three, but it has to go down to three really for them to have any chance City, I think. But it's squeaky bum time.
16:35Gary Lineker:It is. They're under huge pressure. There's no doubt. Even Mikel's interview after the game tells you that. But as I said earlier, you've always got the right to respond. Three days after the game, they've got that. Football is crazy. You go into that game and if you win the game, then your confidence is back up again and everything's nice and rosy. That's what they have to do because the noise will just get louder if they don't.
17:02Alan Shearer:I presume you'll be at their next game, Al.
17:05Gary Lineker:I'm doing that game, yeah.
17:07Alan Shearer:Yeah, I thought you'd do that. Doing that game, yeah.
17:09Gary Lineker:I'm in Lisbon on Tuesday evening doing Sporting v Arsenal. So it should be a cracking game. Particularly after what's happened to Arsenal. I think they just have to come out and they have to give it a right good go.
17:21Alan Shearer:It's not a bad crisis to have to be nine points clear in the Premier League and in the quarterfinals of the Champions League playing against Sporting. Exactly. I think if you just step back, I'll mention it before, or you'd rather be out the FA Cup and the League Cup. I think now though, everyone beats Arsenal with that stick, calling them ballers and calling them, they're not mentally equipped to go all the way. I think now it's for the players to stand up, you know? It's now, that's where you see who the leaders are. We've been in situations, like when he was at Blackburn, there's been moments in your career where you're thinking, we can't do this and yes you got a bit of luck in the last game of the season but they can't let all the work they've done up to now go to waste just because they've had a few bad results you know and that's what they need to overcome and then once they get over that line then it'll be easier for them but they can't allow just two games to define their whole season now I think they'll be fine I think they'll win the league which will be the main thing for them if Champions League would be a enormous bonus because obviously it's a competition that they've never won.
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18:34Alan Shearer:So I think I'm pretty confident they'll win the league, but they do need to steady that ship. A ship that really does need steadying is that of Liverpool, I would say. I mean, what's gone on there, the difference between last season and this season is just vast, really. You know, Manchester City seem to be coming into form at the right time, whether it's too late for the league title. We'll find out in the next few weeks. But they'll fight to the end. They'll fight to the end. Manchester City, they'll fight. I told you, it's not over yet, guys. It's not over. Man City, you could just feel it. I told you after Real Madrid, the second leg, when it went down to 10 men and absolutely battered Real Madrid in terms of possession.
19:24On a different day, it could have went differently. Harland's backscoring. Semenyo's playing on the right. Doku's on the left. Shirky at the number 10. It's sizzling. It might be too little too late.
19:37Alan Shearer:I much prefer this system. I think it suits their players better, don't you, than that kind of square in midfield? Yeah, I think it does. Two up top, I don't think suits Harland. And I don't think Semenyo's really a striker as he's a wide player, I think. Yeah, but he's actually scoring a lot of goals in that position. but in terms of his overall play definitely I agree with you he's a winger but don't forget Pep always does something a bit different in the number nine and he wins a league and then he plays 4-4-2 and he managed to find a way but I think they've got the balance right in the team now and I think they'll push all the way to the end
20:15Gary Lineker:I think that hour was the best we've seen City this season yeah I think it was a game for 25 minutes or so maybe half an hour when Liverpool went head to head Salah missed the huge opportunity, which might have been different. But after an hour, I thought City just turned up the heat and Liverpool couldn't cope with it. They absolutely battered them for an hour. I thought Man City were outstanding. Back to their very, very best for that hour.
20:41Alan Shearer:I think with Haaland scoring again as well at the right time, I see him now battering in a load of goals until the end of the season. He's been through that sticky spell that strikers all go through, but he's still scoring close to a goal a game. He's not doing too badly for someone that's been through a tough patch. But that was very much the Erling Haaland that we recognised. But Liverpool defensively are nowhere near where they were, are they? Oh, my goodness. Where they were.
21:09Gary Lineker:They're miles off it. I mean, they are. You go through every single player, they're miles off it. I mean, Van Dijk and Canati. Yeah, Van Dijk had a really, really poor game. and he was involved in most of the goals in terms of not in a good way that they conceded. Clearly, there's huge problems at Liverpool. I don't really understand what's going on with Liverpool's back line because even when things are not going particularly well, you do the basics right and they're not even doing the basics right. The positioning, they're not getting tight. They're not getting people in front of them. that the line that they have is not correct.
21:53One's deeper than the other. I don't recognize this Liverpool defense. Van Dijk's been the best defender in the league for a while now. So to see him making these mistakes, I don't know, he's had mistakes throughout the season, but he's always the next game sort of covering. He's always had to sort of marshal someone who he's next to, and he's not had that consistency, you could say. but when Van Dijk's not playing well that's when you've got a problem you've got a big problem when he's off it because no one's going to cover him and that's the problem with Liverpool at the moment
22:30Gary Lineker:Salah's miles off it as well isn't he I mean that chance he had in the first half I mean Kusinov had the chance to be barged off the ball didn't he? Fall down Yeah he had a bad touch didn't he? And then challenge him again I mean he did the hard part in knocking him down Salah And then he's got, I mean, yeah, he was, unfortunately, it's not nice to see. And then he misses the penalty as well. It was just one of those days. It's like to see a Premier League great suffer like he did, it's not nice.
23:00Alan Shearer:They're human beings, Al. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're human beings. And we go through spells when it's not happening before. And you know how important confidence is. We've always been, all been in those situations before. Tough for Slott now, I think. I think he really, I mean, Champions League, I think is probably the most likely route into next season's Champions League if they can win it. But it's hard to see them getting past PSG. On current form, PSG are picking up. They've been rested again as they do in France. They look after their teams. I think it's a big ask for them to beat them, isn't it?
23:34Yeah, but anything can happen in Europe, you know. You never know. Do you remember when PSG, did they even finish in the top? was it the top 12? They had to go to the playoffs, to remember, last season and get through that way. And in Champions League, anything can happen. On current form, you would say, no, PSG will absolutely destroy them with the quality they have. But Liverpool just have something in that Champions League where they can turn up on a big, similar to Real Madrid. You look at Real Madrid and think, oh, well, not playing that well, not really got the balance where, And then they play Man City and they play him off the park.
24:13It's just a strange competition, that Champions League. And in terms of slot, yeah, he's got to get through this next round, I think. Because, you know, when the Liverpool fans are... And Liverpool fans don't really turn on the managers, but they're saying it looks like they need a change. And that's the problem now.
24:35Alan Shearer:Who would have thought we'd be saying this 12 months ago? Mad.
24:39Gary Lineker:Crazy. after what he did last season. And the money they spent and all those things, it just hasn't worked for them. They've been all over the place. They've been so inconsistent. And I do, yeah, he has to get in Champions League via winning, I think. I mean, I'm not even sure top five will be enough, or fifth. But yeah, it's not nice to see what's going on at Liverpool. I'd like to see him give them just one more season, though, because this season has been, I don't want to say transition. And a lot of people say, hold on, he spent a lot of money. But the main striker's been out. They've had a death within the club in Jota.
25:22But the players, the whole thing with getting players over the line with contracts, the saga with Salah, nothing's been straightforward, has it? And I would just like to see him with another pre-season. And then if next season it's not going the way, by Christmas yeah but I just feel he's a manager who's won the league let's not forget he's won the league with Liverpool just last season and I know that in itself
25:49Gary Lineker:is a thing isn't it that you win the league and yet you're miles behind this year after spending that much money and I understand what you're saying in terms of the circumstances but you're talking about Liverpool Football Club for winning and spending a fortune yet they might not even finish in the top five and knocked out of that's why they have to get through the Champions League.
26:10Alan Shearer:Yeah, I don't think anyone would argue with that. Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll discuss the other two semifinals.
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28:14Alan Shearer:Welcome back to the rest is football with Michael Richards, Alan Shearer and me, Gary Lineker. The draw has taken place. We'll discuss the other two games that have been played. It's Leeds against Chelsea and Manchester City. Oh, I just knocked my mic over in excitement. and Manchester City versus Southampton both those tyres of course will be played at Wembley you predicted that Alan but at the start I thought so
28:38Gary Lineker:Leeds and Chelsea is a great game isn't it it's like the rivalry from years gone by
28:46Alan Shearer:have you ever seen the highlights of the game I think it was played at Stamford Bridge I think it was it wasn't a cock replay and where they absolutely kicked lumps out I mean you'll find you'll find it on Google or somewhere. It's extraordinary. In the modern game, I think 19 players would have got sent off. It was just, it was mad. I don't think it'll be quite that frenetic in this one. We'd just finished watching the Leeds game and it looked like they'd blown it. Well, West Ham, I thought West Ham played really well in the second half and they had a lot of chances. Hit the post a couple of times, a couple of, you know, disallowed goals, offsides, et cetera.
29:22Alan Shearer:But it was a thrilling finale but Leeds managed to dig themselves out of that whole ball winning the penalty shootout. And Micah, you've got a little smile on your face. Yes, they did. I thought Leeds were the better team in normal time. And then West Ham were the better team in extra time. Then West Ham had a couple of goals disallowed. Then Leeds sort of couldn't get going. And then Areola gets injured. And then they're going to bring on the young kid at 20. he saves the first penalty it was written for him what's his name now I forgot his name let me get his name Finn Herrick Finn Herrick comes on saves the first penalty and I'm thinking fair play to West Ham they've kept going back in the game but obviously I've got my loyalties to Leeds being from Leeds and all that so I want Leeds to go through but the game was just bonkers absolute bonkers Troy was really good Tanaka scored the goal who I mentioned at the start of the season.
30:28Hey, roll the tapes, Harry. Of course, we've had to wait nine months
30:32Alan Shearer:for him to get a goal, for him to say something. And a big deflection at that. Hey, a goal's a goal. You two are the first to say that. And then you're thinking, oh, it's going to be West Ham's day. Danny Dyer was in the crowd every two minutes. Oh, he was going through the mill, wasn't he? Yeah, it was a really great game. And then you're just thinking, can Leeds get over the line? They've not been to Wembley since, was it 87? Yep. Since 87, before I was born. Nearly 40 years. Nearly 40 years, wow. But all in all, it could have went either way. It was really enjoyable. He was quite cocky, the young goalkeeper, though, wasn't he?
31:11Alan Shearer:He was giving it large challenges. I love all that, though. Whoa. Because, you know, really deep down, he's shitting himself, isn't he? Yeah, you probably do. So you've got to act like that, you know? Come on, then. and then he gets his confidence from the pen and then it just wasn't meant to be. But it was a great moment for him. Really happy for him. Penalty shootouts. I mean, I still think we should do away with extra time. That's my, you know, except for finals. It should only be in any kind of finals, but the rest of it, 90 minutes, everyone's sitting at home. We're all hoping it goes to penalties because we like a penalty shootout.
31:47Gary Lineker:Yeah, unless you're a player. Well, there is that.
31:51Alan Shearer:But do you want another half an hour though? You know, if you've played 90 minutes, if you've been substituted, it's different, obviously. But if you play 90 minutes and the amount of football that the players have been asked to play now and everything, that's somewhere where they can give back a little bit because they've increased the number of fixtures, especially if you're in European football. But just to take off that extra burden of, you know, wandering around with cramp and all these sort of things in extra time. But that's my thought. So, you know, leads through to the semi-final where they'll play Chelsea, who didn't have too many problems against poor old Port Vale.
32:27Alan Shearer:But, you know, their final was the last round, really, wasn't it?
32:30Gary Lineker:Yeah, seven. I mean, it was a tough one. As soon as they scored on the first minute, you just thought, oh, could be trouble here. And it was. And it's all about your attitude in those games, isn't it? And their attitude was really good. I guess the talking point before the game was Chelsea banning Enzo for a couple of games before he said.
32:52Alan Shearer:I thought that was slightly odd. I don't think he said anything particularly bad or detrimental to Chelsea. He basically just said he'd like to live in Madrid. Kukurea said something similar and didn't get punished at all. We saw, obviously, Rodri saying, you know, I mean, who wouldn't want to play for Real Madrid? I mean, it's just, I don't understand why that, but, and also I think to give him a two game ban for it, yeah, fine him if you want to do it, fine him and keep it in house. I just don't think what's, I don't see how that helps you, but, you know, they came out and won 7-0, so it didn't make any difference, blah, blah, blah.
33:31Alan Shearer:But I just thought it was a little bit odd. The way Pep handled Rodri, I know he's much more experienced and he's done it all. But Pep's, yeah, you know, we want him to sign another contract. We want him to stay. But, you know, he's from Spain and, you know, who doesn't want to play for Real Madrid? And if you want, like all my players, if they want to leave, we'll sell them.
33:51Gary Lineker:What's the difference, wasn't it? The attitude of a guy that's won it all rather than a guy that's just into the game, I guess. He's trying to make a statement for the dressing room and a stance that you can't... It's not the right thing to say, but there are different ways of going about it. But I guess finding players who are on 150, 200, 250 grand a week is not a deterrent, is it, anymore? I think he had to do it, you know, Gaz. I think with all the pressure that we're seeing as being under recently and players are coming out and saying that, It makes you look weak as a manager, if you don't say anything.
34:33What I would have done if I was a manager, I would have said, I'll leave him out the next game because it's Port Vale. And then he's a very, I wouldn't say two games, you know? So then it looks like he's disciplined him, but he's still back for the Manchester City game. So, because he's going to need Enzo because he's one of their best players. But he had to say something. It's easier to say it for Pep. Alan, can I just ask you something?
34:57Alan Shearer:has the sun gone down in Portugal
34:59Gary Lineker:the sun's gone down and I haven't even turned the light on and I can't be arsed to get up and turn the light on you're going
35:06Alan Shearer:gradually fading oh yeah sorry the light the only problem you've got
35:10Gary Lineker:with disciplining someone and missing the games is that when another player steps out of line straight away then they're going to think well hang on you disciplined him for game wise so you have to then do something similar when it comes up next you know that's the only problem.
35:27Alan Shearer:It's not an easy situation, particularly for a young manager. He's finding his feet. We should cut him a little bit of slack. It was a good victory for them. We've told you the draw. Leeds, Chelsea, Man City, Southampton. I suppose there'll be obvious favourites in that one. City in particular, it'd be hard. Southampton did brilliantly to get past Arsenal. Can they do it? Same to Manchester City. We shall see. At least Chelsea could be closer. I mean, at this stage of the competition now, I think the way it works out in TV rights, if I'm not mistaken, Alan, you'll tell me because she's obviously still at the BBC.
36:07Alan Shearer:So TNT will get first pick of those semifinals and then BBC will get the other one. So it will be interesting because there's not much in it really. You can make a case for both. I think if it had obviously been Chelsea, Manchester City, that would be an automatic first choice for either broadcaster. But yeah, I don't know which one they'll go for. I think I'd probably go, I think the underdog, Southampton, the fact they're in the championship, even though I think by and large, they're not far off being a Premier League club. I think that would perhaps be the more interesting for the neutral, but I don't know.
36:45Gary Lineker:Leeds-Chelsea's got plenty of, as we said, it's got plenty of history over the years.
36:49Alan Shearer:Very much so.
36:50Gary Lineker:That's it. Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's 50-50. City. You go City every time, don't you? The underdogs versus the champions. Yeah. City-Chelsea final?
37:02Alan Shearer:City-Chelsea final, yeah. Could be, but Chelsea have not beaten Leeds this season. They lost once and drew one in the league this season. So, I don't know. I think that might be a tight one. Tough one. Chelsea have to be favourites, obviously. for the positions in the lead table, but all to play for. Hold on, City can still win the treble, you know. Well, I was going to mention that, Micah, right at the end. I mean, imagine after all that, if they went and won the treble and Arsenal ended up with nothing, which I mean, I've got lots of Arsenal friends and they're all in meltdown at the moment.
37:39Alan Shearer:They're all having a blind panic. but I mean that would be too cruel that would be too cruel although Tottenham fans might disagree I think we need to end this podcast before you vanish into the dark
37:54Gary Lineker:yeah exactly sorry guys it'd be far easier to walk five yards until the late one
38:03Alan Shearer:that was just the way you played out no I'm not even a six yard but I'm staying exactly where I am even if the floodlights have gone out So let's call it a day there. That's it from this episode. The rest is football. Goodbye from me. Goodbye from me. Goodbye from me. Have a great week.
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Arsenal’s FA Cup exit, coming just two weeks after their Carabao Cup disappointment, leaves their season at a crossroads. With two trophies already gone, could Mikel Arteta’s side really finish the campaign without silverware, and should there be growing concern at the Emirates?
Meanwhile, Manchester City delivered arguably their performance of the season in a statement win over Liverpool. Are Pep Guardiola’s men hitting top form at exactly the right moment, and does the result leave Arne Slot under pressure?
Elsewhere, Chelsea ran riot with seven against Port Vale, but does the scoreline paper over the cracks? With Enzo Fernández handed a two-game ban, is Liam Rosenior attempting to assert control in the dressing room? Plus, the guys discuss the chaos at the London Stadium as West Ham and Leeds played out one of the games of the season.
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