In short
The Rest is Football: La Liga episode covers a busy matchweek. Barcelona’s comeback vs Levante: after going 2-0 down (including a penalty by Jose Luis Morales), they equalised quickly (Pedri, Rafinha/Torres) and won 3-2 via an own goal from Unai El Gethebal.
Key claims
Barcelona’s very high defensive line is high-risk; Hansi Flick’s half-time tactical tweaks (Rafinha behind forwards, formation change) and early second-half response mattered.
Notable examples
Pedri’s long-range finish; debate over the handball penalty. Real Madrid: Kylian Mbappé scored twice as they beat Oviedo 3-0; Vinicius scored/assisted, and Rodrigo started but played briefly. Claims: Xabi Alonso’s rotation (Carvajal over Trent) and “group dynamics” around contract/egos. Atletico: held 1-1 by Elche; Simeone under pressure, Griezmann’s decline discussed. Villarreal: 5-0 at Girona; Tejan Buchanan hat-trick; Marcelino’s direct, vertical counter-attacking praised.
Guests
Alex Algeo, Sid Lowe, Gary Lineker (hosts/commentators).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBarcelona's Stunning Comeback
0:00 to 0:52
Discussion on Barcelona's impressive comeback against Levante after trailing.
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Barcelona's Stunning Comeback
2:42 to 4:25
Discussion on Barcelona's impressive comeback against Levante after trailing.
“Hello and welcome to The Rest is Football La Liga with Alex Algeo, Sid Lowe and me Gary Lineker.”
Tactical Analysis of Barcelona
4:25 to 6:40
Exploration of Barcelona's tactics and player performances during the match.
“Here's a quick reminder of how their game against Levante played out first.”
Marcus Rashford's Performance
6:40 to 10:45
Analysis of Marcus Rashford's performance and the implications of his substitution.
“Two goals in six minutes, was it, for the comeback?”
Pedri's Impact and Quality
10:45 to 14:01
Discussion on Pedri's exceptional skills and his evolving role in midfield.
“Yeah, a lot of games, a lot of games as well.”
Pedri's Evolution in Midfield
14:01 to 14:53
Learn how Pedri has transformed his playing style under Hansi Flick.
“And I think one of the really interesting things about Pedri is the shift that he's undergone in the last 12 months with Hansi Flick.”
Real Madrid's Victory Breakdown
14:53 to 16:15
An analysis of Real Madrid's game and key performances from players like Mbappé.
“Should we move on to the Real Madrid game then?”
Vinicius and Rodrigo's Roles
16:15 to 18:20
Discussion on the tactical decisions affecting Vinicius and Rodrigo's performances.
“and really interesting team selection from Xabi Alonso starting Rodrigo, he didn't play a single minute did he against Osasuna on Tuesday No one expected him to start on the left.”
Trent Alexander-Arnold's Transition
18:20 to 20:50
Insights into Trent's adjustment in the Real Madrid squad and comparisons to past players.
“The other significant change, of course, was that Trent Alexander-Arna was left out.”
Real Madrid's Young Talent: Mastantuono
20:50 to 22:32
Exploring the potential of young talent Franco Mastantuono at Real Madrid.
“He's only been with the team for, what, 10 days?”
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Mbappé's Performance and Future
22:32 to 25:25
A deep dive into Mbappé's current form and future prospects with Real Madrid.
“So this is all done and it waits till his 18th birthday for it all to be signed off.”
Xabi Alonso's Managerial Style
25:25 to 28:05
Analyzing Xabi Alonso's approach to managing star players at Real Madrid.
“Because he is a young manager and he's come in there and they're big name players with huge egos.”
Xabi Alonso's Managerial Style
29:10 to 29:31
Analyzing Xabi Alonso's approach to managing star players at Real Madrid.
“And the person who drives it, well, that's a Chevy person.”
Atletico Madrid's Struggles
29:41 to 34:12
Discussion on Atletico Madrid's recent performance and managerial pressure.
“We will start the second part of this podcast with Atletico Madrid.”
Villarreal's Impressive Start
34:12 to 36:52
Analysis of Villarreal's strong start to the season and player performances.
“Scoring five without Gerard Moreno, without Ayose Perez.”
Girona's Decline and Other Matches
36:52 to 39:21
Exploration of Girona's decline and a summary of other La Liga matches.
“And in the league, it was kind of drifting away from them almost without them really noticing.”
Transcript
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2:27Buchanan who's on a hatchery. Stay tuned for all the action.
2:42Hello and welcome to The Rest is Football La Liga with Alex Algeo, Sid Lowe and me Gary Lineker. A reminder, this is our new weekly episode where we'll be focusing on La Liga. Does what it says on the tin and all the best action from the Spanish top flight. And if you're watching this episode on Spotify or YouTube, you'll be able to see all the goals and incidents we're talking about as we go. First, though, Alex and Sid. Sid, where are you this time? I'm in Oviedo this morning. Oviedo played against Real Madrid last night. Unfortunately, it didn't end well. You hung on for a while. How many games this weekend so far?
3:21Oh, just one. Just one? Oh, quite a week for you. I've done this game properly. you know go and actually be in the city for a while good I watched the game but I saw you at Craven Cottage Alex what a wonderfully civilised place to watch football beautiful isn't it watching from a rooftop bar that's where I was I've been all over like Sid I was at Palace Frederikstad on Thursday Crystal Palace and then Chelsea West Ham Arsenal Leeds Fulham United and I'm off to Kazakhstan this afternoon for Celtic's Champions League playoff game against Kyra Almaty. So Sid, have you been to Kazakhstan? I haven't.
4:00I'm surprised by that. I'm really hoping some Spanish team gets the chance to go there. You know what's happening here Sid, she's getting competitive about the match. Right. I'm going to look around and see if there's anything in Astoria so I can find some local level game today. I'm going to watch a park team or a bunch of kids in front of the shops or something. Brilliant. Let's get into the action now and I think we have to start with Barcelona again this week. Here's a quick reminder of how their game against Levante played out first. Levante just looking to escape down their left-hand side now.
4:36Tolian might be the target. He cushions it back for Ivan Romero. A touch away. It's Ivan Romero. Levante leads. Well, Levante are off and running again here. Another counter-attack is launched. Here's Brugge. Alejandro Balde racing to get back. He gets the block in. It comes to Morales, deflected over the crossbar. And Levante just asking the question here about whether that was handball from Balde. The VAR has made the check and the penalty has been given. It is Jose Luis Morales. Scores and the champions are in all sorts of trouble now. Jamal. Pedri. Thinks about a shot. Super. the comeback starts here in emphatic fashion from Pedri it is Rafinha's corner Torres hooks it goalwards Torres hooks it in and from 2-0 down it's 2-2 Jamal towards the back post it's in it's an own goal from Unai El Gethebal it is 2-2 from Barcelona they have done it the hard way but they have beaten Levante by three goals to two it was funny I was watching the match and I kind of came into it quite late and for the first five minutes or so I was thinking oh Barcelona started quite well and then realised it was Levante playing in a very Barcelona-like kit.
6:21It's one of the nicest kits actually in La Liga this year but Levante his new home kit but yeah it's the one that throws people quite often if you come to it late and you're not sure who's playing at home and also as you say because the way that Levante played and they went for Barcelona it's not just that they scored the first goal it's that they caught Barcelona a handful of times it's true that I suppose this is this brings us to that obvious debate that we have all the time and it seems a bit endless and a bit cyclical with Barcelona about this idea of the high line and you look at the stats here well Barcelona caught the Moss side loads of times right but you only need to not get it right once well it didn't kill them in the end obviously because they found a way back into it but but that is is if you like the kind of the underlying question about the defensive end of the pitch for barcelona as well and then the fact that they they tweaked the formation so they didn't play the usual 4-3-3 uh they played an extra man in the forward line with rafinha playing behind the forwards and it didn't quite work at half time i wrote in the group chat didn't i and i said gary have you seen the gate have you seen the score barcelona 2-0 down but we should know better with this barcelona side shouldn't we obviously got straight back in the game at the start of the second half.
7:26Two goals in six minutes, was it, for the comeback? Marcus Rashford taken off at halftime, which I don't know. We'll see how he reacts. But obviously, it's quite a big, big knock to his confidence, isn't it? Being taken off at halftime. Hansi Flick came out after the game and defended him. He said he played really well. But it's harsh, isn't it, taking him off halftime? What do you think, Gary? I think it was more of a, well, it was, he reverted, didn't he, to the way he normally plays, I suppose. So Marcus was obviously one of the ones to go and it was a tactical switch. I don't think it was probably necessarily a personal criticism of Marcus Rashford's game, but it's not the ideal start.
8:09It's not what you want when you get your first, I mean, obviously he came on last week, but he started this game for the first time that he would have been hoping for. but you know they were under the cosh it's like Sid talking about them tactically there this high line I mean it is very very high risk there's no question about that it's probably you can say well they concede a lot of goals because of that but the way they play will also produce a lot of goals and I think Flick has decided that the rewards are bigger than the risks and they're going to be games like we've seen well we saw on numerous occasions particularly I think perhaps in the Champions League last season where they went behind in matches and they were caught out in that.
8:48But they remain brave. They remain high. I don't buy this thing that they've got it off to an absolutely fine art where they never make a mistake. I think that's impossible with that game. And speaking as a striker that was particularly one of those kind of players I used to spin behind, love to get behind defences, I would lick my lips against playing this back four for Barcelona because Arsenal used to play a little bit like that when I played. I know you need to be a certain age here to remember this sort of stuff. And they used to famously stick their arms up in the air for offside and they were very good at it.
9:25But, you know, clever players will find them out. And I think we'll see that occasionally. But they back themselves to outscore you. It's like you said, Alex, even though, you know, you were half taking the piss out of me when it was 2-0. before I had the chance to even reply to you they pretty much got back into the game at 2-2 so they backed themselves but the fact that he made changes at half-time suggests that maybe he thought he got it wrong Sid Yeah and that tells you something as well about I suppose about us as journalists that sometimes we analyse a player's performance and we analyse it through him not through the structure through the system and I think this is a good example of that in terms of analysing Marcus Rashford because if you take his game and you isolate it from all of the context He said, well, actually, he was quite good.
10:13But it was the way that it, if you like, that it damaged everything else. Not because it's him, but because the idea of playing Raffini behind, putting him on one side, Lamin on the other side, people kind of eating up each other's spaces. And the structure was different and it didn't entirely work. And so I think that's kind of quite important. I hope that for his own sake that Marcus can kind of get that into his own mind and not take it as a personal slight. But of course, what it does do is pose that question. and go, okay then, under what circumstances and in which tactical context will he play?
10:42And how often will he get the chance to do so? There'll be injuries soon. There will be, exactly. That's what happens. Players need rest sometimes. Yeah, a lot of games, a lot of games as well. What about the penalty then? That was slightly controversial, I think. I turned it on at that moment because I've been at the Arsenal game. What, Jose Luis Morales, 38-year-old, scoring it. But harsh, I think. Baird's hand was really close to his body, wasn't it? Ref went to the monitor and gave it. That nonsense. Well, I mean, Gary's just used the word nonsense. That'll do for me, I think, pretty much.
11:12I mean, the one thing I will always say in handballs is I think we've reached this point where we've kind of talked ourselves into a circle of saying we don't know what handball is anymore. And I think we slightly con ourselves because I think we do know a little bit what handball is. It's just that sometimes the extent to which the arm is out is a little bit more for one referee and a little bit less for another. And, you know, this is one of those where, I mean, the example that's been brought up quite a lot is there's a handball, I must confess, I can't remember which Real Madrid player it is.
11:41I think it might be Rudiger in the Clasico last year, which is similar to this. Ball going towards goal, hits the arm, looks like it's going in, but it's close enough to the body that it's not given. I mean, this for me is not even as clearly going in as that one was. And it seems a little bit harsh. Alex, you said that they came back very quickly in the second half. It's a little kind of quirky thing that, you know, sad people like me enjoy. The goal at the end of the first half was scored so late and the goals at the start of the second half were scored so early that they both came before the goal at the end of the first half.
12:12Yeah, I saw that as well. It's mad how they do it, isn't it? One goal was scored after 53 minutes and the next goal was scored after 48 minutes or so. That's crazy. What a goal, by the way, Pedri. Wow, I mean, he was brilliant in that game. Oh, what a goal. But unbelievable goal. Inch perfect. Goal aso. And not like him, I would say. that's the thing that makes it interesting for me is that he really put his foot through this well I say he put his foot through it he put his you know the final three toes of his foot through it and sort of bent outwards which we don't see Pedro do very often we don't actually see him take on those kind of shots at all from that kind of distance we don't see him do that often a little caveat I suppose that's probably worth throwing in here is that the fact that Barcelona got those two goals back so early I don't know about you but it inclines me to think that the response wasn't really about the tactical shift It kind of happened too soon for it to be like that.
13:06One comes from a corner and one comes from a shot from there to the area. It's not necessarily that because they've gone back to what they know that it happens. And then later in the game, he goes all out with three at the back, four men up front, two very, very wide, opening the pitch as much as possible, two through the middle. At that point, of course, you have to. That's not really a kind of clever tactical thing. It's hang on, it's 2-2 and time's running out. Let's put everything we've got on the pitch. Do we think there's a better midfield player in the world at the moment than Pedri? It depends what you want your midfield player to do.
13:35Yeah, exactly. Well, Rodri's a different style of player altogether. And obviously I'm talking about the moment and Rodri's not been playing for a year or so, which was in my thinking. Okay, okay, okay. If you had to take one for your club, wherever you are at the moment, because you'd have to take into account age. And I think I'd take him probably. I would as well. I love watching him as well, because even in those games where he's not at his very best, there's a smoothness to him. There's a quality of touch to him that others haven't got. And I think one of the really interesting things about Pedri is the shift that he's undergone in the last 12 months with Hansi Flick.
14:08He's playing much, much deeper, which means he's much, much more involved in the game. He's broken, I suppose, that straitjacket of assuming that a technical player needs to be protected by the people around him and needs to be given the freedom to be a number 10 or maybe drift on either side of midfield. He's actually playing effectively at the base of midfield with one other as the pivot position and sees the game so clearly from there and so much quality and people come and try and press him and try and get the ball off him. And he's really, really good at turning away from that. He has a touch of Iniesta about him, a touch of Xavi about him.
14:40I know that's easy. I know it's the obvious thing to fall into, but he does have a little bit of both of them. It's really not easy to have a bit of both of those players. What a combo. What a combo. Right. Should we move on to the Real Madrid game then? their victory at Stid's beloved Oviedo. Here's how the action unfolded.
15:03Well, Mbappé should be this deep. Tramini won the ball back. Here's Mbappé. Oh, what a finish that is from Kylian Mbappé. So clinical from the Frenchman to give Real Madrid the lead. Here is Alhassane. It's still Alhassane. Can he find a cross? He can find a teammate. And Sebo!
15:35Here's Vinicius winning possession back. He's got Mbappé to his left. And Mbappé finishes it off. The goal made by Vinicius Junior, finished off by Kylian Mbappé.
15:52Hassan, can he get the shot away? He can! what an effort that was from Fedevina and here is Brahim and here is Vinicius and Vinicius finishes it off cool as you like 3-0 win for Real Madrid and really interesting team selection from Xabi Alonso starting Rodrigo, he didn't play a single minute did he against Osasuna on Tuesday No one expected him to start on the left. He's been linked with a move away. Vinicius Junior dropped. Were you surprised, Sid? Xavi Alonso would probably take issue with you using the word dropped. And I think a lot of managers do that now. Partly they do it to protect themselves, of course, because this is dropping people.
16:42Maybe the word sounds a bit strong, but it is dropping people. It is shifting the formation. And their managers, and Alonso did this last night, will always say, yeah, but I want a contribution from everyone, including those that come onto the pitch. and Vinicius came on and scored a goal and provided an assist and tried to win a penalty. He was booked for diving on that occasion. But, you know, to give you an idea of kind of how much danger he was creating. For what it's worth, I think the context of the game was better for him then because at that point, he had a step forward, were trying to attack.
17:06There was space for Vinicius to run into, which is, of course, where he is really dangerous. This is his first away goal in La Liga since last October. So he'd been having a really bad time of it. I think I'm kind of reluctant to be, how do I put this, to be kind of conspiratorial about this. I'm reluctant to look at this from a political point of view. I'm reluctant to look at this in terms of the point of view of the market. But I actually think those are elements to take into account here in terms of the message you're sending to Vinicius, who's currently still not renewed his contract with the club, and that's not in a great position.
17:36The message you're sending to Rodrigo, who says he doesn't want to go. You say he doesn't want to go, but everyone thinks that, you know, if someone comes with the right offer, he probably will go. Managing him in the event of him staying as well. So I think this was a footballing decision, of course, But I do think there's an element of, if you like, group management in doing this. And Rodrigo had a pretty good game up against a very, very, very deep defense. And then Vinicius had a slightly better game, but up against a defense that made it easier for him because they were now four men instead of five, which they'd been in the first half.
18:07And Oviedo were throwing men forward, trying to get back into the game. So I think Vinicius obviously benefited from that, but played very well. What was he on the pitch for? 28, 29 minutes, I think, something like that. And I thought he was really quite good. The other significant change, of course, was that Trent Alexander-Arna was left out. Danny Carvajal came back in. How surprised were we by that? And what can we read into it? It's so hard, isn't it? Carvajal picked over him. He's going to have a real battle. We know how much the Madridistas love Danny Carvajal, don't they? But he needs to stay fit.
18:43It's really hard. Trent didn't touch the ball when he came on. And he's having a tough time with the media out there, isn't he? I've read a few comments. He's already been criticised. We know what the Spanish media is like. It's brutal, isn't it, Sid? Yeah. And look, there will be a lot of pressure on Trent. I suspect that actually, in a way, Trent will be isolated from the pressure in so far as he won't be reading all of it. He won't be reading what the Spanish press says. And actually, in truth, it's not a focal point of the attention at the moment because there's much more attention on Mastantono.
19:12There's a lot more attention on Arda Kula's development as a central midfielder. There's a lot more attention on Rodrigo and Vinicius at the moment. So this is the thing. Obviously, from an English point of view, we look at this and think, oof, this doesn't look good. This early in Trent's career that he's already had Danny Carvajal come in and play ahead of him. But this isn't really a central issue here, to be honest, at least certainly not yet. I wasn't at all surprised that Carvajal came back in. I was surprised it happened so quickly. I thought maybe week two was a little bit early for Carvajal to come back in, but I think it will happen.
19:42We've talked about this so many times with Trent. But at some point, it feels like he might evolve into a player who plays in a slightly different part of the pitch, a little bit further forward. There, of course, the question becomes, OK, which is the role for him in the Real Madrid team? Does he play that sort of nominally right-sided midfielder who tucks in and gets involved in the game a little bit, which is kind of what Bellingham might be unless Bellingham plays left. It's what Brahim is trying to be. It's what Bastantuano is doing, although he's a slightly different type of player. And so it's not an easy fit, actually, Trent Alexander-Arnold in the Real Madrid team at the moment.
20:14And in fact, when the early stages of this transfer, there was kind of a sense from Real Madrid that, well, we kind of don't need to do this yet. The timing isn't quite right. And Carvajal was playing brilliantly. Of course, what happens is that Carvajal gets an injury, which is what accelerates things a little bit. Now, that's not to say that this would not have happened without Carvajal's injury. but it certainly helped to convince Real Madrid that any doubts they had about it, this is actually something they needed to take on now because the long-term solution would be, don't know, Alexander-Arnold, but the short-term solution is going to be very difficult.
20:46And Carver, how we'll fight for this, you know, that he's not going to back down. Yeah, Franco Mastantuono, 18 years old. He's only been with the team for, what, 10 days? He was with River Plate at the Club World Cup, saw him play out there. 18 years old, but so, so, so confident. Imagine signing for Real Madrid on your 18th birthday. That's what I was thinking. 18th birthday. don't get much better than that, do they? But Xabi Alonso obviously rates him a lot. I think it's fair to say if you sign by Real Madrid at 18, you've got a bit of potential. A little bit. And he's certainly... And Boquitos.
21:19He's certainly got bags of talent. Very exciting prospect. They do find them because there's obviously one or two of them that they've brought in over the last couple of years, young players. And I think Madrid, they do seemingly... taking a tactical decision in terms of how they sign players, either very young prospects or players that are on the end of contracts. Yeah. And that's obviously partly a financial decision. And obviously when you're Real Madrid, you're in a very advantageous position to do this. If you go to a player and you identify a series of players whose contracts are up in, say, 18 months' time, if you're Real Madrid and you phone a player up and say, listen, don't renew because you can come to us, That player is going to listen and probably isn't going to renew because it's Real Madrid.
22:08If Real Lovie had to phone you up and say, don't renew, they might think, I think I'll stay. It's all right. And not just I think I'll stay, but I think I won't take the risk of waiting. I think that's the other thing that Real Madrid are in a position where players will take the risk of waiting for them. Obviously, there's then usually a pre-contractal agreement and so on. But Madrid have been very clear on this, getting players at the end of their contract, getting players on free transfers and then going for what they hope will be the generational players from abroad. To give you an example of the age thing, by the way, and Franco signs at 18 because legally he has to.
22:38So this is all done and it waits till his 18th birthday for it all to be signed off. But he's got a contract officially with Real Madrid's B team. Vinicius and Rodrigo came on that as well. Now, there wasn't really a plan for them to cut the teeth in the B team, although Vinicius did actually play for Castilla a little bit. Ferry Valverde had a Castilla contract when he came as well. But it's about that ability to kind of, if you need it, give players the option. And also, if you need it from a registration point of view, you've got another option to bring them into the club. And the thing that really strikes me about Mastanto Ono is how enthusiastic Xabi Alonso seems to be.
23:14And I'll be honest with you, I feel like we're all running a little bit quick here because he's not really played very much. But you see it in the way that Alonso talks about him, that there's a genuine sense that, yeah, this guy's really quite good and has the personality to not be frightened by it at all. I'll tell you who else is quite good. A certain Kylian Mbappe, who's, I suppose people are going, oh, is he succeeding at Real Madrid? Forget how many goals he scored last season. He's adapted his position in many ways. Two more goals. I mean, the first one was a majestic finish. I mean, he's, what, he's in his mid-20s now.
23:48And I think if you'd have said five, six years ago with the way he's progressed as a footballer that he wouldn't have won the Ballon d 'Or by now, we would have been a bit surprised. I don't think he's going to win it this year, even though he's probably in the reckoning because of the fact that Real Madrid didn't win anything and that will count against him. That probably, I would imagine, will change at some point. But, I mean, he's an incredible footballer. The way he took the ball on the turn and finished it, that first goal was just so sumptuous, wasn't it, Alex? Yeah, he was the best player on the pitch in the game against Osasuna as well, wasn't he?
24:24We haven't shown the highlights of that yet, but he won the penalty, he scored the penalty. He also looks like he's lost a bit of weight. He looks like he's lost a few kilos. Remember he had gastroenteritis during the Club World Cup. Maybe he never put the weight back on. Well, Xavi Alonso says he did. Xavi Alonso, but not all of it. So I think maybe he's a little slimmer than he had been prior to that, but he looks stronger and, well, maybe he doesn't look stronger, but Xavi Alonso says he's put some of that weight back on and is in a better place. It's a funny one, isn't it? Because it sounds ridiculous to talk about a player who scored 44 goals last year and say that his first season was a bit disappointing.
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25:01Not great. But the truth is, his first season was disappointing. And it's such a stupid thing to say, but it is true because there's, again, let's go back to that word context and the collective structure of it and how well it was working and so on. And I think in part, of course, Xavi Alonso's challenge, we've talked about this so many times, it's finding a way of getting him and Vinicius to work together. Or if it doesn't really work, then to take that hard decision, which says, okay, well, we build around Ember Pé then. Do you think part of this leaving players out, big name players, is perhaps Xabi Alonso trying to assert his authority a little bit?
25:34Because he is a young manager and he's come in there and they're big name players with huge egos. I mean, the fact that he's got the results is good because you can imagine if he'd have left, you know, certain superstars out and they didn't get the right results, then he'd be under pressure. But he's trying to give himself a little bit more strength, which is, you know, if you understand, you know, the world's top players and the big egos involved, then having a manager or a coach, as we should say, who's probably not. I mean, he was a wonderful, wonderful footballer, but coming in fresh after someone like Ancelotti who's a bit more laid back on these sort of things.
26:12I think it's quite interesting what he's done here and made the changes that he's done early. And at a club like Real Madrid all the more so, if you look at Real Madrid's recent history, the managers who've tried to impose themselves haven't always ended up particularly well. Rafa Benitez is a very good example of that. And the players borderline laughed at Rafa Benitez. And in part, it was because he was trying to tell them what to do, which always seemed to me that conceptually, at least, this was incredibly unfair. A coach is there to tell you what to do, but there were certain elements of him telling them what to do.
26:41They were like, who does he think he is? I know how to kick the ball into the goal. It's quite easy. And there is always that risk. I think there is an element of that. I think it's very interesting that pre-game, Xabi Alonso made such a point of saying that the decisions are mine. And this was about Rodrigo and about the possibility of him leaving and about Vinicius and the pressure and so on. and again to go back to what I was saying earlier I do think this decision obviously has to be seen in a tactical context but I think it needs to be seen in a contractual or group dynamics context as well I think that's absolutely right yes one thing I would just say Sid is that getting it into knowing how to score a goal is not that easy no but those of you who do it so well think it's easy you make it look easy I mean to give you the fact if it were that easy everyone will be doing it.
27:33Exactly. And to give you the famous example of Benitez, and this is the one that gets talked about in Spain all the time and laughed at, is that Benitez tells Luka Modric, or so the story goes, look, look, stop using the outside of your foot. It's not, it's not, it's not a clean surface to hit the ball with. You're much better using the inside of the foot. You're like, Luka Modric, who's done this for, what is it, 15 years, and brilliantly is like, please don't ask me how, you know, don't ask me to do this. But, you know, because it's not easy, but Modric makes it look easy just as those of you who score from inside the six-hour box make it look easy as well.
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29:40Welcome back to the rest of the football La Liga. We will start the second part of this podcast with Atletico Madrid. their first game of the season at home, one all draw against Elche. Five points off the top already. Not a great start to the season for Atletico Madrid, losing last weekend as well. What did you make of that game, Sid? The Atletico Madrid, again, began in a way that you thought they would be okay. They score early. You think, okay, that's it. It's all in place. And didn't really find a way of generating the kind of chances that they want to. Now, they were without Alex Baena, the new signing who was injured, But that really shouldn't be a reason to be dropping points at home against Elche, who for what it's worth, despite being a newly promoted team, I think are very, very good at the ball.
30:24They're very good at keeping the ball, if you like, to anesthetize the game, rather than necessarily to go and get you, but to take the pace out of the game and prevent the other team from catching them. And then they caught Atletico Madrid with a fantastic counter-attack. I think this is really, really frustrating for Simeone. He was asked about this kind of discourse that we have, where it always feels like we end up talking about the same thing. I've bought a load of players to play in a different way, and then they end up regressing or going back to what they were. Now, I do think at times we've overplayed that.
30:54And I do think at times they have done things differently to the way that we like to believe, because we like to have this image of Simeone is the bad defensive man and everyone does what he wants. But there's an element of truth in it. And he made this point of saying, beyond the monologues that some people have about us, there's a reality. Now, the problem is, if your discourse is all about winning and competing, and after two weeks, you've already dropped to be five points behind the two teams at the top, it's not to say that your season's over, but five points is a genuinely significant gap to be trying to make up.
31:26And with all the expectation, all the signings, maybe that's a reason to be patient, but it's a reason actually why there isn't any patience. Is there a point in Atletico Madrid that it comes to a point where they go, is it time for a change? I mean, he's been there for so long. He's done an incredible job. I mean, he's made them competitive alongside the two giants of world football, which is not easy. He's won La Liga. He's won all sorts of competitions. He's kept them competitive. He's remained driven. But is Diego Simeone untouchable? I would say over the last five or six years, there've been a few moments when it's felt like there's been a kind of a shift slightly against him or a sense at least that we wouldn't mind a change.
32:14We wouldn't mind an evolution towards something else. And then at those moments when it's felt a little bit critical, actually, he's responded. And the year they won the league, I think, was probably off the back of the summer in which there was the most doubt about his continuity, apart from the first couple of seasons when he wanted to go after the Milan final that they lost. And then that kind of got smoothed over very quickly. I think one of the issues with it really is how do you manage it? How do you find a way of letting go that doesn't look like a second? Because you can't sack someone like that.
32:43You can't do it in a bad way, but the pressure is on. And they have talked about that this year. And in fact, there's been a couple of quite heavy public hints, which is that, look, the second season in a row in which the investment is huge. I think I'm right in saying it's 330 something million euros over the last two summers. Well, with that much investment comes an obligation. And I think he does know that. Yeah. There were whistles at full time, weren't there? Which is never good for a manager. And what about Antoine Griezmann, 34? He's had a terrible year, hasn't he, really? If you think about it.
33:14I think his decline has been really fast. He came on in the 68th minute and did very, very little. Not the Antoine Griezmann we know, is he? I think we've had two seasons in a row in which he's been really, really good and then fallen off really, really bad in the second part of the season. And of course, maybe that speaks to age. Maybe that speaks to fit within the squad. Maybe that speaks to a sense of kind of more generalised decline. And I think what's different this year, him coming on late, so late in the, well, late-ish in this game, was only a surprise really because of the absence of Alex Baena.
33:43And this early in the season, there's a bit of me thinking, well, given his talent, given his physical condition, assuming he's had a good preseason, there's no reason not to have played him. Except, of course, if you've taken that decision, it's OK, we have to assimilate now that he's in this new phase of the game and not turn to him so soon and maybe not turn to him at all. There was a suggestion that he was going to go to the US this summer. He will absolutely end up in the US eventually. And I think he's put that off for a year. And I guess the question is whether maybe he shouldn't have done.
34:12Right, let's move on to Villarreal now. What a start to the season for them. A 5-0 win over Girona. So impressive, wasn't it? Estadio de la Ceramica. Scoring five without Gerard Moreno, without Ayose Perez. What a game for Tejan Buchanan, eh? A hat-trick. By far the best game for him in a Villarreal shirt. He was more of a squad player, wasn't he, last season? Obviously, Tomo Barry departed, as you say. and Gerard Moreno is injured again. And again, it's unfair, but you end up being in that position where you start wondering at what point do you cut your losses on a player who gets injured a lot?
34:47And it seems incredibly unfair on the player to even have that conversation, but it's natural. Ayose Perez was so important for them last year in terms of goals, but this is a different kind of profile. And it's certainly true that Marcelino, their coach, is a manager who's always wanted teams that counter-attack in a, I'm going to use a Spanish way of saying this now because I can never think of the right English way of saying it, in a very vertical way. Now, first place, opposed means direct. But in English, when you talk about direct, you kind of imagine, you know, literally a hoof up the pitch and just one guy running after.
35:15It's not like that. You've been in Spain too long, Sid. Exactly. When they go, people go very, very, very, very much to the throat, very much at teams. And Marcelino is a manager who has tended to like his teams to play in more or less straight line 4-4-2, but with players really bombing through. And this was a product of that. I mean, you look at Girona. They were awful. They facilitated this without any doubt at all. They actually had quite a lot of the ball, but Villarreal was so incisive. I suppose incisive is a good word for vertical. So incisive every time they got it. And they, I think from the start of the season, we mostly all thought that they were the team that would most like to finish fourth.
35:52And there's nothing so far that we've seen to suggest otherwise. I remember being there and they used to say, oh, you play with profundidad. Yes. That's another one that you think, oh, maybe depth or something, you know, depth to your game or something. But it was like, I was always thinking, what does that actually mean? How do you explain that? How do you explain that? What the hell has happened to Girona? I mean, two years ago, they were flying, weren't they? They were top of the league for a long way. We thought, are they going to pull off a Leicester? They didn't quite manage it. What were they, about 16th last season?
36:23Just avoided the drop. I mean, they talk about one season wonders. I suppose we could almost say the same about Leicester, but that's enough. But this is the La Liga. I'm not going to depress myself with Leicester at the moment. But yeah, falling off a cliff. I thought last year that part of their problem was precisely the fact that they were in the Champions League. And I think if you read between the lines and some of the things that Michel said, the coach, he thought that as well. That there were moments where the players had kind of been blinded by the lights a little bit. The Champions League was a focus.
36:52This is the thing we're all about. And in the league, it was kind of drifting away from them almost without them really noticing. And actually, one of the things that I think psychologically or emotionally was really interesting at the end of the season is what their salvation came when Mitchell turned to the old guys who'd been part of Girona before and sort of the guys that he, I don't know if this is oversimplistic, it almost certainly is, but that he felt these are the guys that really care. So I'm going to go to Stoani and I'm going to go to Porto, two guys who hadn't played almost, well, hadn't played much during the year and they're going to be the ones that pulled me out of this.
37:22And what he said after this game implied something similar in that he said, we're not, yeah, yeah. He used this, I thought, really quite strong phrase. He said, I do not feel represented by my players. And he said, it feels like the players are waiting for the transfer window to end to see where we're at before they get started. And I thought that was a really interesting way of saying it again. Just again, it's him suggesting that there's a mental disengagement, which obviously isn't a good thing for a manager, because that's something that presidents can think, well, we can fix that really quickly.
37:52Because if there's a mental disengagement, there's only really one man you're pointing the finger at at that point. To think he was linked with Pep's job, wasn't he, about a year ago, and Michel, can't see that happening now. Two weeks is a long time in politics. It's a lifetime in football, that's for sure. OK, let me round things up for you before we go. Real Sociedad drew with Espanyol. Pere Milla and Xavi Puada had put Espanyol two up. Barencia and Oskarsson hit back for Sociedad. Asasuna, they beat Valencia by one goal to nil. Ante Budimir's early goal was enough to win it.
38:41Real Betis they won 1-0 against Alaves former Spurs man you'll remember Giovanni Lo Celso with the only goal of the game Betis remain unbeaten with four points after the opening two fixtures Mallorca drew 1-1 with Celta Vigo Javi Arrueda put Celta Vigo one up Matteo Mori rescued a point for Mallorca late on. Both sides got their first point of the season after opening day defeats. So that's all for today's episode of The Rest is Football La Liga. I'll be back again tomorrow with Alan Shearer and Micah Richards as I test them out with a bit of fun football trivia. For now, though, goodbye from me.
39:21Adios from me. Cheerio.
39:35OK, so we didn't win the World Cup, but that doesn't mean we can't have a party. Me, Alan and Micah are back from New York and looking forward to the start of a new domestic season. But we wanted to have a night out with as many of you as possible to talk football and have a bit of fun. So if you fancy coming to see The Rest is Football live, We're doing the show at London's Royal Festival Hall on Friday, September the 4th. Wear your new shirts and come with your new season optimism. Tickets available at therestisfootball.com.
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