MARCUS RASHFORD: EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

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1:59Barcelona's manager Terry Venables has signed England's 25 year old world cup hero Gary Lineker and now Marcus Rashford is going to be the next Englishman to do so I'm going to talk to him but I thought I'd bring this fellow with me it's not Barcelona about big means

2:19thank you very nice to see you man

2:27Marcus lovely to see you here in Barcelona now I don't know whether you can remember and I've got a little bit of film we filmed together about I don't know almost four or five years ago and you took me around the training ground at Manchester United and we talked if you have a little listen here I'll try and play it I went to Barcelona like Barcelona the great training ground in those days. It's like this now, obviously. See the line of that red bit there? Yeah. And to here, in a... That was it. On the side of the stadium. That was it. Like a patch. Like a patch. And it's trained on every day, right by the side of the stadium.

3:07It's like... It's crazy, isn't it? I won't believe it was all of it. But, now you're here. Now you're here. Who would have thought it? We were talking about Barcelona's training ground. Now you're on the training ground. not the one I was which is right by the stadium and it was a patch a field how is it you're held in yeah yeah it's obviously a new experience for me but just enjoying it all so yeah it's exciting he's looking lean isn't he he's looking good I'm looking at the goods he'll be a little bit jealous I'm not going to lie you're going to compete you're going to get no I'm not going to compete here's that talking when you just came through the door about how training's changed because you were talking about how slim you are and all that and saying that it's slightly different here Yeah it's very intense but it's intense in a different way to English football It's hard to explain because like pre-season it's been tough it's been draining like after training I'm tired and stuff obviously the weather plays a part as well but it's not tough in the aspect where in England you'd be doing like loads of hard running it's more like mini games and possession blocks it's less rest between each each exercise More on the ball Yeah more on the ball and it's more like constant training.

4:18So in that way, it's more difficult in terms of intensity. But it's easier because you're in rhythm more. It's definitely different, but I'm just looking forward to the season starting because that's where I'll learn the most, playing against new teams on a more consistent... Have you got any lingo? No, I'm trying. I've had a couple of lessons.

4:49three times a week for two years it's better to do it that way though or not it's the only way you ain't gonna learn it just picking it up no if you do that once or do that Mark Hughes wasn't really having it he's got more concentration he did two lessons and then go off to be fair I'm gonna get more consistent lessons and just try it that way because I tried a little bit on like duolingo and stuff but it didn't really help me it's tough isn't it it didn't really help me like I'd done loads of lessons on there but then when I started my first like proper lesson it was different having been had the experience myself of being here and it was I have to say also it was much easier when I was here in the sense that practically nobody spoke English so you kind of had to make do back then whereas now even when I come back now and I speak Spanish pretty well if I speak to people they reply to me in English which is bloody annoying because you just want the chance to practice but I think it's appreciated by the fans if you can say a little bit and it's definitely appreciated perhaps in the dressing room as well they go alright well for me as well it's just part of like the experience of being there so like even if I didn't have to I'd still want to try and learn at least the basics anyway I tried Italian terribly honestly you sounded fluent No, no, no.

6:09My Italian is terrible. How long did you play there? I was there for just one year and I had lessons and everything, but like the teacher was laughing at me. So what are the teachers? What are you supposed to do when the teacher's laughing at me? I'm trying my hardest. And after like two, three weeks, I thought, no, this is not me. The problem was she was laughing at you while you were playing. Yeah, true. But it was just amazing to have a different experience, you know, like going into a new dressing room Obviously for you being at Man United for so long Then just going in and you're just trying to find your way It's like a new kid at school You know what, honestly I thought it'd be a bit more like daunting But like it's pretty much seamless I think when you go over something in your head And you visualise like being somewhere Like you just take everything as it goes really And it was similar to when I first went to Villa as well Like you don't really know what to expect But because it's something that you're looking forward to It's not like a worry.

7:09It's more just like an excitement. Can I ask you, was you nervous though? Because when I went to Fiorentina, I was really nervous. I was pretending like I was fine. I was nervous as well. I'm way back. Yeah, way back. Yeah. I don't know if it's like nerves or if it's just like excitement. Like when I think of even stuff that I'm going to find difficult, it's more of a challenge and like exciting than it is scary. So I wouldn't say it's like nerve wracking. but yeah there is like a party that's like you know like butterflies in the stomach and stuff like that but like I said it's for me that's like positive stuff all the positive things that have happened in my career I have that feeling anyways it's almost like when you don't have it you're a bit comfortable.

7:52Do you think the little spell at Villa helped you to bridge the gap to make a bigger step coming here? Yeah I reckon so. Because you've been in Manchester. Yeah for so long yeah And it's like, no matter where you go from being in a certain place for so long, it's a change. But I feel like the timing of me going to Villa was like, now looking back, it was the exact time for me to do something like that. So I feel like the response and the reaction I got from the people at the club and the fans, it was probably what I needed on a personal level in that moment. but it's crazy because like six months on, I feel like everything's completely different.

8:39But without having that right period in the middle, maybe I won't be feeling how I'm feeling now. So yeah, I feel like just everything that happened at Villa bar the injury at the end was exactly how it was supposed to be. It's a good club, Villa, isn't it? No, 100%. And I was speaking to my brothers about it and I remember Villa got relegated from the Prem and since then I think he was playing he was playing for me I think I wake that was all my doing Marcus you just knock him across the six yard box now no yeah so since then the club's been on the up so when I first went there the atmosphere at the club's like all positive and it was just exactly what I needed in that period what's the language of the dressing room here in Barcelona I just wondered whether because it used to be Spanish because people used to say oh you speak Catalan or Spanish?

9:30No, it's still Spanish. Obviously, a lot of the young lads speak Catalan. But the easy thing for me is a lot of the lads understand English. So, like, on the pitch, it's just about me picking up on the basics, which I've done quite quickly, to be fair. A lot of them would speak English as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's good, like, people that are like a bridge. So, like, Frankie speaks really good English. Jules speaks really good English. And these guys have been here for a few years now, so they speak good Spanish. so on the pitch it's honestly like easier than what I thought it'd be but also like football itself is just a language I know a lot of people say it but like if you understand each other on the pitch it's easier to communicate you get like the general vibe on the pitch so I've not really had any problems in that way I think it's normal when you go to a club and particularly in the early days when we've moved around and you normally kind of you find a friend yeah who's your friend here to be fair all of the lads are like maybe it's because they're all very young but like do you feel like the old man here apart from Levin Doss no but you do though because you have to think like 27 28 there's put it this way there's more players under 20 under 21 than there is past you know 28 so it's like in your whole career you're probably in like directly in the middle but in this team you're one of the experienced lads well they like these young I mean they're so good honestly it's so like refreshing to be playing with them.

10:59But yeah, it's just every day they're full of energy and it keeps you having energy as well. So no, it's good. Like they're all really talented, but the thing that surprised me the most is like how mature they all are, like on the pitch. They play the game at like their own tempo. So what's like better decision-making? It's just the way that they're developed. It's different. Like in England, you develop to always show your skillset. whereas sometimes in football as you know as you get older it's not there's a time and a place to to show you know your skill set so for example if your skill set's dribbling there's a time and a place to be dribbling on the pitch whereas in England and in the academies like if you're good at dribbling they just tell you to tell you to dribble yeah so that's one of the first things that I've realized and it's like you look at someone like like Pedri I think he's 22 or 23 and it's like he's actually really really young but he's just got that much experience already playing at the you know one of the biggest clubs in the world and you know playing in some of the biggest games Where have you been playing in the pre-season games?

12:05We're doing this just before the start of the season that's coming out the weekend No just a bit of everywhere really but I've always I've always enjoyed doing that especially when you play with so many passes in the team it's like playing on the right wing when you've got so many passes in the midfield than in the back line, it's different because playing on the right wing is probably my most, more difficult position out of the three. But yeah, once you can just assess spaces and that's kind of the main thing that I'm trying to adapt to now because I think the way people defend here is obviously different to in England.

12:43So you see spaces. In what way is it different? Because in England, you have to find the spaces so quickly because of the tempo and the rhythm of the game. and I can imagine it's similar here but if you do find the spaces quickly you can really hurt teams and you see that when you play against teams in Europe but like anywhere when you play against teams consistently in a league format it's going to be different so it's just adjusting to that as quickly as possible but it's going to be exciting I'm looking forward to this new atmosphere and new genre of football so it'll be good. OK, atrás, atrás, atrás.

13:25Pedrata. Ahora, para, para, para. Migueli! Bien. Ah, you shit. I really... He was such a great coach. Don't gamble. Take the initial run, but once you've took it and the ball doesn't come in, let it go and join the others. Mark, Gary, you shouldn't be offside there. You can look right along the line. Awesome. alright he's telling porkies do you remember I told you about the catch on the side of the pitch yeah that's next to the stadium that was the training ground all season yeah what's your favourite position my favourite position is off the left but then it does change throughout I know because I've heard you say he was happy playing up front but you like left yeah it also just depends who you're playing with how consistently other people play in the position that you receive the ball from as well so it's difficult to like pin down one position but honestly I've been like this since a kid it's been hard for me to like because I'll say it I used to love the right wing when I was a when I was younger but then I learned as I got like maybe to 13 14 drifting inside because I'm always controlling the ball on my left when I'm coming in off the right hand side and now you're controlling off your right it's more different when I'm trying to accelerate so it's more natural for me to control on my left and accelerate with my with my right foot I can do it more swiftly in one movement.

14:50So then I've moved over to the left and then I love playing on the left, but then you miss scoring goals. And then when you are in the middle, you miss touching the ball. So it's just like, you need that. Like for me, when I'm at my best, I'm having that freedom to exploit the back line. For me, from the left is the easiest position for me to do the rotation because on the left, I find it more natural to play off the centre half shoulders and the full back shoulders than I do on the right. but it's all just it depends game to game well football's never yeah it's never the same but then some games I'll be on the left and even if I have a good game I'll be like I'll be seeing what's happening on the right and I'll be like oh I wish I was on the right so it's one of them but as long as I'm you know helping the team and you know trying to find ways to have an influence on the game then you know I'll be happy and you'll certainly be playing attacking football that's for sure yeah 100 % Hansi Swick's way of playing I mean it's a massive high line and you'll be playing in the opposition yeah but it's perfect for the skill sets of the team you know there's too much ability to be spending too much of the game in your own half so you know to play the high line which honestly in the first couple of weeks I've been at how good they are at the high line is like everyone looks like they're only just offside but they're so confident in the system and for them to only be doing it for one year and be that good already is really positive so it's good but honestly I'm still learning it which I probably will be for a while but it's a listen it's a tacky football and that's what I want to be playing You feel like you're really you know happy with life and the way they play It must be really exciting I'm looking forward to the start Honestly it's just like refreshing we see how good they were last year but like the motivation and the determination to just improve and you know we know it's going to be going to be tough to have a year like they did last year winning that many trophies but that's the aim and that's the objective so that was one of the first things I noticed my first couple of days everyone's pretty much forgotten about last year and it's about what we can do what we can do this year now so it's the perfect environment to go and be successful It's good after two minutes Mark it's going to have to take the pressure off the right place I'm just talking about I'll leave you two strikers to it what are your aims this season it's just to win you know I want to have obviously a good individual season but like anyone will tell you if you have to choose between that and winning you pick winning so yeah so if I aim to win the chances are I'm going to have a good individual season as well it's going to be tough getting into this team no for sure but this is part of the challenge you know and you know if I wasn't confident that um you know I could do it then I wouldn't I wouldn't have wanted to come here so I think just settling in and you know giving 100 % and and keep the the mindset of of learning because I think like when you come to like a new a new country a new brand of football it's easy to think like whatever we was doing in England's the right way to play football but things are different here so I'm enjoying like learning this and the players are helping me learn the new brand of football one criticism from me in your game is I feel like you can be more selfish yeah because you get into great areas then you always want to pass I'm like all the other players in Topper world football are shooting no for sure but it's it's just that's how I enjoy football I've been like this since a kid like don't get me wrong I love scoring goals and stuff but so like this is why I probably can't consistently be a number nine because like it's not natural for me to to do that so if I am doing that I feel like I'm forcing it and I know that I'm missing other pictures of the game that if I was just playing freely I'd be seeing these these pictures so there's a lot of times where like I don't shoot because I feel like the chance of it being blocked and missing a chance for the team rather than just for me is pretty high but then also the strike of him is like if I can get it through his legs if I can get my shot off through his legs there's a high chance of it going in so it's like finding the balance but in this generation to consistently play number nine you have to be selfish because you're required now to score 40 goals a season so you need to be shooting more frequently.

19:36It's like I don't put too much pressure on the goal scoring side because I just know, I'm confident that if I'm doing the right things I'll create chances for others and I'll be in the position to have shots and score gold. Just to elaborate on that though because I think we're now in an era where everyone talks about goals and assists. so when he was at Aston Villa I was raving about him and we did an FA Cup game didn't we and I was saying it's the best I've probably seen him play playing for Villa but at the end of it then people say well he only scored that amount of goals do you know what I mean but they're not looking I look at the full game people now it's because you've played though of course so like I'm a winner at the end of the day and I want to win so if the team's won I can analyse the game and whatever I need to change and adjust to score more goals I can do that in more of like a seamless way and that's the way I've always it's not just in sports that's the way I learn like if I put too much pressure on myself to like oh you need to score goals you need to shoot I ain't gonna I'm not gonna you know play well have you always been I mean take you back perhaps now to your childhood and where this talent came from yeah so I was a goalkeeper at first actually was you?

20:55no way you was a goalie? I got bored in that we must be talking what Fletcher Moss Fletcher Moss yeah so my first year was in that but then I think I remember like my brother was telling me I was moaning like everyone's always having fun like scoring goals and stuff so I wanted to go outfield I'm always going to be a player that enjoys the intricate things that people might not speak about all the time in football but like creating space and people always say like oh just running behind just running behind but sometimes running behind it's like the run's not on so like forwards know it we know it but like sometimes midfielders they don't know it they just say running behind sometimes the timing and the space it doesn't connect so there's no point running behind because it doesn't affect the back line that's my that's what I want to do from a run if your timing's off and if there's there's no eye contact between the person on the ball and me the centre-halves can see all that this is why striker's the most difficult position on the pitch because your backs it is though because your backs to goal and the defenders can see everything you're looking at but we can't see everything the defenders are looking at hold on hold on you could have a rubbish game rubbish and he was the master of that rubbish game and then gets a tap him and then he's the hero how many of my games have you watched how do you know I have a rubbish game I understand that aspect but when I go back into midfield the game's easier because you can see everything everything's there forward so for someone like me I don't like to pass backwards so when you want to go forward as often as possible you need to be on the half turn all the time but sometimes you can't you don't have the time to be on the half turn so now you need to know your surroundings scanning all the time know when to bounce know when you can turn and ultimately you need to be in the right areas to score and assist goals I might have to stay for the classic 120 ,000 people back then.

22:58120? 120 ,000, yeah. All home fans.

23:08Two goals in the first five minutes. Yeah? I was buzzing.

23:16That'll do. Hat-trick, I'm going there. But it's, yeah. So I'd like you to experience that. It's quite a tasty thing. Yeah, I hope so. Good stuff.

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25:49Does criticism from numpties like this? Because I used to get the same sort of stuff. Because there's a certain understanding that you need to have to play in forward positions, whether it's wide or, as you said, in the nine position. And you're clearly a very thoughtful guy. We all know that. Many things that you've done, not just on the pitch, but off the pitch as well. Have you always been deeply thoughtful about not just the game, but life itself? Yeah, it's just like attention to detail. So it doesn't even matter like what I'm doing. It's like if I'm invested in it, I need to try and do it to what I see as like the best, like the best way for me to do it.

26:32I think I've just been like that since I came, since before I can remember. And it's just like, you know, like my family always say like, oh, if they call me like a perfectionist, because if someone challenges me to do something, I don't just want to do it in a way that everyone deems as like, oh, he's won and that's a good way to do it. If it's not right in the way that I've planned it or thought about it, it's like I'll keep redoing stuff. Do you know how good you are, though? I was going to ask that question. Honestly, off the field, forget off the field for a moment, on the field, you don't understand.

27:10I don't think you understand how good you are. I just think it's like, I always have something to prove to myself. You're hard on yourself. Yeah, I'm more hard on myself than anyone can be harsh on me. So it's like, when you touched on criticism before, I ignore a lot of people, but it's not like a defence mechanism. It's just like, I have my own version of my own image of what I deem to be good. When things are not going really well for you And you've had a career That's kind of like everybody's career We've had a tough season here My last season here at Barcelona Do you get down a bit? Do you find it difficult?

27:53It's not necessarily like being upset It's frustrating But the be all and end all If it leads to trophies Everything gets put aside So your individual career is nothing without this team version and that's also a part of football that I love. Do you think sometimes you get unfairly criticised because of who you are and what you've done, not necessarily on the pitch? But I always thought, because you know I'm a massive supporter of what you did. I mean, I think pretty much everyone is. It's incredible what you did. You shifted government policy and all that sort of stuff. It was remarkable. Always my fear was that the minute he has a bad spell, they'll blame that.

28:37Obviously I'm saying this because I feel it a little bit. I think sometimes the criticism for you, you might go on a night out. You might go out in a certain outfit and that will be criticised. I don't think that will be criticised if that was a white player. I honestly think it's not because people don't want to highlight it. I just think people don't care anymore. I just don't think you can change those people's opinions anyway. It's more about going forward and sort of changing the opinions of the youth, you know. I've suffered it when I was coming through, but nothing changes. People always say what they want to say.

29:15You'll notice it's different here. Yeah, 100%. You'll notice it's different here from the media. You will, and that's what I've said. In terms of the football, they'll be incredibly critical. If you're not performing on the pitch, they won't bother about your life off the pitch. They won't. They'll respect your life off the pitch. Even when you walk around, people will be respectful. and you get that in England as well mostly but I'm talking particularly in terms of the media they will be very focused in this city alone in Barcelona you've got two daily newspapers that only cover Barcelona football club pretty much El Mundo Deportivo and El Sport Esport they say and they do everything I remember when Terry Venables it wasn't very well one day and the front page headline because I had to fill the newspaper every day was Venables has diarrhoea but we used to go out we used to go out and they won't as long as you're performing on the pitch and even then they won't blame it on something else like that we perhaps do in our country a little bit too much the media do I don't think the general public I think most general public have a massive amount of respect for footballers but I think you really enjoy that here you know the couple of times I've been for like meals and stuff it's been nice it's been refreshing

30:33How do you say it? Marcos, Marcos, Marcos, with love. People of Barcelona, if they come up to you, they're very polite and ask you nicely for your autograph. They don't like to disturb you too much. They might move from club to club in England. They know about the players and it's moving from one place to the other and it's just a little bit different, but not a lot. You've got an old environmental change, you know. living in a hotel, moving house, not sure what's going to happen and in the difficulty of the language. And this is where they put us. It's not like this place you're in. The hotel.

31:09Hello. That's the room. Vienti minutos.

31:17Ridiculous. Fluent. That's a good lie. That was the first week. What about England? I mean, there's obviously a World Cup coming up next summer. You're at Barcelona, one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the best teams at present in the world. You want to get back in the thick of it. Yeah, yeah, 100%. This current group of English players is extremely talented and it's going to be disappointing if we don't manage to do something really special because I think we've come on a lot. And for the last few years, it's been just the next step is for us to go and win. England have been very, very close.

31:54They're knocking on the door. Yeah, we're right there. But you can see with a lot of the teams that are winning stuff currently, they've also had this period. But no matter how many times people say, oh, we were this close, that close, like the important thing is getting over the line. It's definitely an exciting, exciting period. Obviously, you know, there's a new coach there in Thomas. How do you get on with him? Yeah, he's a top coach, good guy. I think being an international coach is, you know, quite difficult, especially from someone who's used to spending lots of time with players. People don't understand how short of a time you have to prepare for these major competitions.

32:32It's only four camps, five camps in the year, ten days apiece. So, you know, 40-odd days together to try and win a World Cup is not a lot. But he's a coach that pays huge attention to detail. And, you know, you can see that. I've seen that straight away from the first couple of training sessions with him. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to what he'll bring to the team. And being here, I suppose, you know, if you perform well at Barcelona, it puts you in a really good space. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Honestly, I try not to put too much pressure on, like, the England set-up. It's clearly something that I want to do.

33:12But you don't get that without, you know, putting in the hard work, just day in, day out and, you know, showing that hard work on the pitch. So that's a knock-on effect to the stuff that I'll be doing day in, day out. I think what's clouded a few people's visions is because you don't speak that much. I'm honestly fine with people having their opinion on me regardless. I'm doing the thing that I love to do every day. I don't want anything else. I think it was usage that said something, actually. Your discipline's more important than your motivation because sometimes you wake up and you're not motivated.

33:49it's the discipline that keeps you in check to get yourself out of bed go to training on time and work when you don't necessarily want to work study the game study your opponents when you might be tired or you might have a headache or you might be ill but these are the things that people don't really pick up on so it's like it's hard for the general public to understand what goes into making a top class profession I don't expect the general public to understand that Like some of my friends that are in other sports, like I'm a huge fan of like boxing. I don't have a clue what it takes to become a professional boxer.